(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
GN[Pandanet European Team Championships 2013, r1]DT[2013-09-24]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now let's see if we actually get people in
Tien [9d?\]: Otherwise it becomes like doing offline reviews for SGL
Finnish8d [-\]: right : )
Tien [9d?\]: ...And I don't think that's what we really want
Kettu [?\]: hello
Finnish8d [-\]: hi ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Namii was going to come, too
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, and Mokki
Tien [9d?\]: Five would be good enough, I guess
Kettu [?\]: prodi is at least around too, does he know about this
Tien [9d?\]: I dropped him a message earlier
Tien [9d?\]: Looks like he's away from keyboard
Tien [9d?\]: Well, in the meanwhile when waiting for more people, I think we can write in this file what we have already concluded from my and Namii's games
Tien [9d?\]: (We already reviewed them by the three of us)
Tien [9d?\]: We just need to recap what we'd discussed earlier, maybe in slightly more detail
Tien [9d?\]: Jeff continues?
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: Alright
Finnish8d [-\]: just have to find the related game ^^
]LT[]NB[33]NW[34]RR[Normal]
(;B[pd]BL[3584]C[Black: Javier-Aleksi Savolainen
White: Oleg Mezhov]
;W[dp]WL[3582]C[Tien [9d?\]: Assu should be black
]
;B[pq]BL[3578]
;W[dc]WL[3576]
;B[ql]BL[3570]
;W[nc]WL[3403]
;B[pf]BL[3562]
;W[jd]WL[3384]
;B[fq]BL[3341]
;W[cn]WL[3263]
;B[jp]BL[3325]
;W[ol]WL[3168]C[Mokki [3d\]: is P8 normal?
Finnish8d [-\]: No :P
Prodigious [3d?\]: approaching q3 would be normal
Tien [9d?\]: I think it's been in a pro game once or twice
Prodigious [3d?\]: or wait
Prodigious [3d?\]: micro-chinese
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok I see
Tien [9d?\]: Jeff, can you take control?
Tien [9d?\]: I'll make a few database searches
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Finnish8d [-\]: I've never see this happening in micro chinese
Finnish8d [-\]: in normal Chinese yes
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, true
]
;B[pj]BL[2976]
;W[oo]WL[3105]
;B[np]BL[2913]
;W[qo]WL[3081]
(;B[dm]BL[2674]C[Namii [9d\]: Or maybe S5, that's not bad
Tien [9d?\]: Huh
Namii [9d\]: I don't know what Assu wants to achieve with this shoulder hit :)
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know why here
Mokki [3d\]: assu playing very fast :)
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, nothing like this has happened in a pro game, no luck with database search
Tien [9d?\]: But maybe Jeff can continue with the control in this game
Prodigious [3d?\]: black gets r4 in the end
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Prodigious [3d?\]: on move 65
Finnish8d [-\]: sure, I will do this one mainly ^^
Tien [9d?\]: That's way too late
]
;W[fp]WL[2958]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: And w is also funny ^^
]
;B[gp]BL[2643]
;W[fo]WL[2950]
(;B[cm]BL[2620]C[Mokki [3d\]: looks like this is a battle of spirit
Tien [9d?\]: Strengthen the black side that had weaknesses
Tien [9d?\]: "Thanks"
Prodigious [3d?\]: b not playing e3 and r4
]
;W[eq]WL[2832]
;B[gq]BL[2606]
;W[bn]WL[2776]C[Namii [9d\]: C11 doesn't exactly make you a base
]
(;B[cf]BL[2538]C[Finnish8d [-\]: in general I agree with this approach, but of course not earlier C7
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;W[di]WL[2742]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, now the d7 stones can be kinda forgotten for the time being
Tien [9d?\]: But that doesn't make the corner result really good, anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: nothing too good here anymore
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, must be the corner now
Namii [9d\]: Yeah I would play this move too
]
;B[cc]BL[2438]C[Tien [9d?\]: Same here
]
;W[cd]WL[2378]
;B[dd]BL[2435]
;W[bc]WL[2377]
;B[cb]BL[2432]
;W[de]WL[2375]
;B[ed]BL[2430]
;W[ce]WL[2374]C[Mokki [3d\]: b D7 stones seem a bit isolated
Kettu [?\]: somehow feels b got tricked
Tien [9d?\]: I don't get why black let white get e3
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
Namii [9d\]: I agree that E3 was better.. Black's rhythm is bad now
Tien [9d?\]: Black could get it for free, right?
Namii [9d\]: E3 was big
Prodigious [3d?\]: there are many mysteries in this game
]
;B[bb]BL[2428]
;W[gd]WL[2306]
;B[fe]BL[1993]
;W[df]WL[2283]
;B[ge]BL[1989]
;W[gb]WL[1900]
;B[hc]BL[1824]C[Namii [9d\]: Black finally took gote anyway ^^
Namii [9d\]: So perhaps better to omit these
Tien [9d?\]: Any reason not to just play e18?
Finnish8d [-\]: right, but they were fighting for sente : )
Finnish8d [-\]: gote is the reason ^^
Namii [9d\]: Yeah. White F16-E15 was also a bad exchange by white's part
Finnish8d [-\]: I understand players, but it is gote anyway, yes
Tien [9d?\]: And there seems to be nothing incredibly urgent on the board in the sense that you should fight for the sente
Tien [9d?\]: Or well, there is, r4 and d9 and q18, but there's too many of those :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: Except maybe the lower right
]
;W[hd]WL[1892]C[Mokki [3d\]: playing at C11 is bad instead of C14?
]
;B[ec]BL[1816]C[Tien [9d?\]: I just cannot imagine them now going back to r4
]
;W[fd]WL[1855]
;B[ee]BL[1802]C[Namii [9d\]: I feel it's the hottest area on the board
Tien [9d?\]: The time for that was a long time ago
Namii [9d\]: Hehe
Kettu [?\]: i thought B11 was the reason to fight for sente
Finnish8d [-\]: ah
Finnish8d [-\]: left side
Finnish8d [-\]: well b 2 stones you may just leave it there
Finnish8d [-\]: or it is minus point anyway
Tien [9d?\]: B11 feels odd when white has b6 in place
Kettu [?\]: yes, but maybe b can harass white group just a little bit :)
Tien [9d?\]: It'll be hard for black to get eyes there anyway
Namii [9d\]: White can resist with C10 to B11?
Tien [9d?\]: I'd just play c11, I guess
Namii [9d\]: Simple enough
Tien [9d?\]: Though actually c13 would feel really solid too
Namii [9d\]: C13 is the instinct.. B still needs to add a move then and white takes sente
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Namii [9d\]: that way of play feels heavy for black
]
;W[ck]WL[1750]C[Tien [9d?\]: H17 I really cannot get :)
Kettu [?\]: mm
Prodigious [3d?\]: c9 feels dull
Mokki [3d\]: i like D9
Prodigious [3d?\]: since black isn't going to do anything with the two stones anyway
Tien [9d?\]: I'd play high
Prodigious [3d?\]: should be more urgent points elsewhere
Finnish8d [-\]: should be high, just want to say this
Finnish8d [-\]: if w wants to play here
]
;B[pm]BL[1246]C[Namii [9d\]: I also made the mistake in EGC, of 'low attacking' :P
Namii [9d\]: typical 5-6d mistake
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: anyway, so let's turn to bottom right
Finnish8d [-\]: b this peep...
Tien [9d?\]: Still wrong direction
Namii [9d\]: Is R7 better locally
Namii [9d\]: but yeah, it should be at R4, right?
Tien [9d?\]: If you really have to play there, yes
Tien [9d?\]: But nothing is as big as r4 here
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: guess b is not doing attacking to gain here
]
(;W[no]WL[1430]C[Tien [9d?\]: Should white just take the corner instead?
Finnish8d [-\]: of course w should :P
Tien [9d?\]: And not care about the outside
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: and now I feel like the players thinki alike ^^
]
;B[mp]BL[1240]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or, they're saying "no" to each other in the extreme way
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Mokki [3d\]: if w takes corner, then D7 stones could become good sacrifices
]
;W[mo]WL[1428]
;B[lp]BL[1225]
;W[nj]WL[1378]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w contributed huge here
Namii [9d\]: In this game the center is valueless
Namii [9d\]: so these moves don't do much
Namii [9d\]: I feel b gained here :P
Tien [9d?\]: Definitely
Mokki [3d\]: now Q18 b?
]
;B[kd]BL[988]C[Tien [9d?\]: Possibly q18, yes
Namii [9d\]: Assu wants to make use of H17
Tien [9d?\]: But that's not our logic in thisgame, it seems
Tien [9d?\]: Or the players', anyway
Namii [9d\]: If black L17, he can M17
Finnish8d [-\]: not the players, yeah
Mokki [3d\]: does b maybe feel to be behind?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah not really
Finnish8d [-\]: they just do it this way
Finnish8d [-\]: and they both
Tien [9d?\]: :D
Mokki [3d\]: no, i mean like b:s play feels like he is thinking to be a bit behind
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know how to explain, but I understand them : )
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki, I think Jeff understood you
Mokki [3d\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I do ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: I mean, players just prefer to fight in this game
Tien [9d?\]: It's just that the moves so far have created this kind of an atmosphere for this game :)
Finnish8d [-\]: even if they are not behind
Tien [9d?\]: So they'll continue with obscure ideas
Namii [9d\]: Many ways to play go :P And I don't think neither one of them can clearly say they are ahead or behind
Namii [9d\]: a lot of potential everywhere
]
;W[jc]WL[738]C[Namii [9d\]: After L16-K17, maybe then Q18?
Tien [9d?\]: K17 sure feels passive, though
Namii [9d\]: Since this exchange black gains
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: we may say w feels leading by this move
]
;B[lc]BL[495]C[Tien [9d?\]: That's probably really not the case, but that's what white says he's feeling
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe m17 is the opposite, then?
Namii [9d\]: This is not a move I would easily play
Namii [9d\]: I feel black is busier when white jumps to O15
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: M17 wants to fight with the super strong white k17 group
]
;W[ne]WL[703]C[Mokki [3d\]: maybe b can get a nice profit with P17?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok, so w faces to it
Namii [9d\]: You'd take the corner?
Namii [9d\]: That's interesting too ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: corner is always bigger : )
Namii [9d\]: If black cuts off O17, then black is directly next to white's strong group
Namii [9d\]: but O15 is "Russian style" :P
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, I guess I'd take the corner as well
Namii [9d\]: and my 1st instinct too 8)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Mainly because o15 is a small area
Tien [9d?\]: Or m17, more precisely
Namii [9d\]: Yeah
]
;B[oh]BL[407]C[Kettu [?\]: is this "i'm winning"? :) (P12)
Namii [9d\]: Assu's logic is clear, but can he really handle this?
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah you understand?
Tien [9d?\]: I'm sorry, I didn't see the logic
Namii [9d\]: Assu wanted to induce white to jump to O15 so he could play at P12
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't understand this P12
Tien [9d?\]: Me and Jeff think alike :)
Namii [9d\]: It's not easy to deal with L16 still
Namii [9d\]: Oh wait, he sacced it?
Namii [9d\]: Hmm.. :)
Namii [9d\]: Ok, I'm just guessing :P Let's move on
Finnish8d [-\]: let me see what happened first maybe
]
;W[kf]WL[503]
;B[oc]BL[338]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;W[nb]WL[489]C[Namii [9d\]: After M17 I think black is committed
]
;B[mh]BL[314]C[Tien [9d?\]: So black traded dame stones for an easy capture on m17
Namii [9d\]: Maybe black should play L15 here
Finnish8d [-\]: so why b invaded at the first point?
Mokki [3d\]: I feel like if b wants P12, he should just play P17 instead of M17. W islikely to play O16 and b can get O18
Tien [9d?\]: Not time trouble, either
Tien [9d?\]: Black's not in byo-yomi yet
Namii [9d\]: Q18 instead of M17 was my feeling
Namii [9d\]: Since with the L16-K17 exchange, black already gained
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so you may also sacrifice those guys for corner and P12?
Namii [9d\]: But yeah, how about L15 here?
Namii [9d\]: No, before, instead of M17
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
]
;W[ng]WL[448]
;B[nh]BL[290]
;W[mg]WL[159]C[Namii [9d\]: I guess L15 is heavy though... well, black's play in general was a bit heavy here
Tien [9d?\]: At least finally we get r4
]
;B[qp]BL[275]C[Namii [9d\]: Yup
]
;W[rp]WL[114]
;B[rq]BL[245]
;W[lj]WL[68]
;B[jm]BL[187]C[Tien [9d?\]: K7 is another dame
Finnish8d [-\]: because b wants to attack this whole w group
Finnish8d [-\]: so he got R4
]
;W[km]WL[15]C[Namii [9d\]: Hard to understand :P
Finnish8d [-\]: I need some cold waster first, sorry
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Namii [9d\]: If white makes K7 stronger, it weakens white's left side's potential...
Finnish8d [-\]: so ok
Finnish8d [-\]: b K7 is to threat w group
Finnish8d [-\]: and w calls it
]
;B[kl]BL[134]
;W[ll]WL[595]
(;B[jl]BL[566]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure
]
;W[kn]WL[566]
;B[fm]BL[559]
;W[gm]WL[518]
;B[gl]BL[532]
;W[gn]WL[513]
;B[lm]BL[380]C[Namii [9d\]: But this plan is not entirely bad either, is it?
Finnish8d [-\]: it is a plan yes ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: but this one...
Namii [9d\]: if K7 was a bluff, white called it and black got what he wanted :P
Finnish8d [-\]: I didn't expect
Namii [9d\]: B wants to make sure he has a back door
Finnish8d [-\]: can Namii explain for b on this?
Tien [9d?\]: Take it?
Namii [9d\]: If white plays N8 (the shape), black has M6 back door available
Finnish8d [-\]: sure w should have taken it ^^
Namii [9d\]: So Assu wants to force this question right now
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, m6
]
(;W[fl]WL[274]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but this counter
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know how to comment :P
Tien [9d?\]: Haha
Tien [9d?\]: Just n8, thanks
]
(;B[ln]BL[363]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or that
Finnish8d [-\]: ok, so you think this is ok?
Tien [9d?\]: For black, sure
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: cos I want to atari N8
Tien [9d?\]: Me too, but it doesn't clearly fix the situation, still
]
;W[mm]WL[264]C[Tien [9d?\]: So this feels easier
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
]
;B[lo]BL[356]
;W[mk]WL[243]
;B[ci]BL[278]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so left side decides
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, c11 is good feeling
]
;W[dj]WL[228]
;B[fk]BL[274]
;W[el]WL[223]
;B[dg]BL[225]
;W[eg]WL[221]
;B[dh]BL[215]
;W[eh]WL[218]
;B[bg]BL[213]
;W[ef]WL[200]
;B[bj]BL[196]
;W[bk]WL[183]
;B[be]BL[187]
;W[bd]WL[180]C[Namii [9d\]: Now white has E18 though
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is probably the next decisive one
]
;B[bh]BL[177]
;W[eb]WL[173]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: feels like b survives, b wins right?
Tien [9d?\]: One-lane street
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[fc]BL[171]
;W[gc]WL[164]
;B[fb]BL[168]
;W[fa]WL[163]
;B[db]BL[167]
;W[ea]WL[158]
;B[gg]BL[156]C[Tien [9d?\]: Though that's what happened, and black still lost
]
;W[gi]WL[150]
;B[he]BL[149]C[Tien [9d?\]: So there may have been an endgame mistake
]
;W[ie]WL[134]
(;B[ig]BL[138]
;W[if]WL[128]
;B[hf]BL[134]
;W[hh]WL[123]
;B[hg]BL[133]
;W[qc]WL[102]C[Namii [9d\]: Huh, if you play H15
Namii [9d\]: why not hane at J14 then?
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Namii [9d\]: You get the table shape immediately if white follows you
]
;B[qd]BL[122]
;W[ae]WL[60]
;B[bf]BL[119]
;W[in]WL[36]
;B[jn]BL[115]
;W[hl]WL[486]C[Namii [9d\]: Since black group is still not fully alive, it's a burden for later
]
;B[ob]BL[596]C[Namii [9d\]: That can make a difference of 0.5-1 moves
Namii [9d\]: Hmm, maybe nto though
Finnish8d [-\]: how can w trade top right corner with just G8?
Namii [9d\]: since there's nothing happening at the center anymore
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, Q18 should be a lot bigger than H8, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: not really comparable
Namii [9d\]: Ah hmm
Namii [9d\]: if black pulls back at H8
Namii [9d\]: black E9 is annoying
Namii [9d\]: but still, w can protect then?
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: but ok, let's move on
]
;W[oa]WL[476]
;B[nd]BL[575]
;W[md]WL[468]
;B[od]BL[571]
;W[mc]WL[363]
;B[pa]BL[569]
;W[na]WL[360]
;B[pb]BL[568]
;W[pp]WL[281]
;B[qq]BL[566]
;W[rn]WL[276]
;B[rm]BL[548]
;W[ab]WL[246]
;B[kg]BL[535]
;W[lg]WL[241]
;B[kh]BL[507]
;W[lh]WL[240]
;B[jj]BL[461]C[Tien [9d?\]: So then, white was ahead earlier too?
Tien [9d?\]: Because like this, the endgame seemed to go well for black, who still lost
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, since b actually got a lot in yose
]
;W[ki]WL[234]
;B[ih]BL[431]
;W[og]WL[223]
;B[pg]BL[428]
;W[pk]WL[200]
;B[qk]BL[424]
;W[oj]WL[196]
;B[pi]BL[422]
;W[hj]WL[180]C[Tien [9d?\]: Which means that m17 or so will have been the losing move
]
;B[gh]BL[407]
;W[hi]WL[173]
;B[da]BL[405]
;W[ga]WL[169]
;B[ba]BL[397]
;W[ip]WL[150]
;B[iq]BL[392]
;W[jo]WL[143]
;B[ko]BL[390]
;W[io]WL[141]
;B[jq]BL[382]
;W[er]WL[118]
;B[fr]BL[377]
;W[op]WL[116]
;B[oq]BL[375]
;W[aj]WL[89]
;B[ai]BL[372]
;W[ak]WL[85]
;B[es]BL[339]
;W[ds]WL[84]
;B[fs]BL[337]
;W[dr]WL[599]
;B[sp]BL[570]
;W[ro]WL[592]
;B[pn]BL[566]
;W[po]WL[581]
;B[mn]BL[561]C[Namii [9d\]: Ok, let's move onto the next game?
]
;W[om]WL[578]
;B[nm]BL[559]
;W[ml]WL[534]
;B[nn]BL[553]
;W[on]WL[533]
;B[mi]BL[545]
;W[li]WL[524]
;B[nl]BL[532]
;W[ok]WL[500]
;B[kk]BL[520]
;W[mj]WL[494]
;B[cj]BL[517]
;W[fi]WL[404]
;B[sm]BL[503]
;W[pl]WL[394]
;B[qm]BL[502]
;W[ff]WL[379]
;B[ij]BL[488]
;W[oe]WL[345]
;B[hp]BL[468]
;W[pe]WL[333]
;B[qe]BL[467]
;W[im]WL[323]
;B[of]BL[458]
;W[nf]WL[321]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe yours then?
Finnish8d [-\]: b did get a lot in yose
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Namii [9d\]: Okays
]
;B[ik]BL[440]
;W[hk]WL[291]
;B[jf]BL[434]
;W[je]WL[288]
;B[jg]BL[432]
;W[ji]WL[284]
;B[ii]BL[429]
;W[ho]WL[273]
;B[af]BL[416]
;W[ad]WL[270]
;B[fh]BL[391]
;W[oi]WL[254]
;B[ph]BL[388]
;W[so]WL[249]
;B[sq]BL[385]
;W[go]WL[243]
;B[il]BL[379]
;W[ei]WL[232]
;B[ke]BL[360]
;W[lf]WL[594]
;B[kj]BL[573]
;W[kc]WL[587]
;B[lk]BL[566]
;W[ac]WL[580]
;B[gf]BL[560]
;W[fg]WL[578]
;B[jh]BL[558]
;W[qn]WL[575]
;B[nk]BL[556]
;W[ni]WL[574]
;B[sn]BL[554]
;W[aa]WL[571]
;B[]BL[546]
;W[]WL[569]
;B[]BL[546]
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(;B[if]C[Tien [9d?\]: So he was afraid of white j13
Namii [9d\]: That's the only logic why I'd play H15 :P
Namii [9d\]: Hmm...
]
;W[ig]C[Namii [9d\]: Is that a reason to be afraid of
Namii [9d\]: atari+connect
Tien [9d?\]: ...Or something
Tien [9d?\]: I don't know
Tien [9d?\]: But I don't see logic otherwise
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, we are trying to follow the logic :P
]
;B[je]
;W[id]
;B[jf]C[Namii [9d\]: W dares to K13?
Finnish8d [-\]: w is not crazy enough to do K13 I guess?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah exactly my question ^^
Namii [9d\]: I can't believe it would work
Finnish8d [-\]: ah well
Finnish8d [-\]: let's see the game
]))
(;B[ml]))
(;W[mm]C[Namii [9d\]: So here M9
]
;B[lk]
;W[ml]C[Namii [9d\]: Not a big deal
Finnish8d [-\]: and?
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, I thought l6 instead of n7
Tien [9d?\]: Just for the k6 cut
]
;B[jn]
;W[ko]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I just feel like K6 is b gote anyway ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, true
Tien [9d?\]: Oh well
])
(;W[jn])
(;W[ln]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Ah I see
]))
(;B[kn]
;W[lm]C[Namii [9d\]: Doesn't work in the end
]
;B[ob]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I think this is still bigger?
Mokki [3d\]: why not play M7 instead of L6?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah M7?
])
(;B[lm]
;W[kn]C[Namii [9d\]: White can atari at K8
]
;B[ln]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Namii [9d\]: I just checked this :D
Namii [9d\]: since I wondered about it too
Tien [9d?\]: k8 m5 l9 p7 
]
;W[jl]
;B[lo]C[Namii [9d\]: After M5, N8?
]
(;W[om]
;B[kk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, this should be fine to black no?
Finnish8d [-\]: very fine ^^
Tien [9d?\]: White has to sacrifice, I think
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: but one sec
]
;W[jn])
(;W[kk]
;B[om]
;W[nm]
;B[nn]C[Tien [9d?\]: (well, it's still definitely better than the game)
Finnish8d [-\]: then I think b may take this deal
Tien [9d?\]: Alright :)
Finnish8d [-\]: it is again a close deal, but I think b can take it ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: w that take is also very big
Namii [9d\]: hmm
Namii [9d\]: Is there something with Q9 and P10?
Tien [9d?\]: There is, yes
]
(;W[mn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Because the white centre got real solid
]
;B[mm]
;W[on]
;B[ml]C[Tien [9d?\]: Mainly, need to evaluate if the capture is worth it for black when white plays h6
]
;W[nl]
;B[mk]C[Tien [9d?\]: I think we can call it dead
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
])
(;W[pk]
;B[qk]
;W[oj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Slightly annoying
Finnish8d [-\]: ah this thing
Tien [9d?\]: I guess black'd just defend and fight the ko
Finnish8d [-\]: if so I prefer w instead :P
Tien [9d?\]: Well, I think it's still a close call
Finnish8d [-\]: ok 
Tien [9d?\]: Black turned his dame stones from the game to profit
Tien [9d?\]: But ok, forward?
]))))
(;W[qq]
(;B[qr]
;W[pp]
;B[oq]
;W[rq]C[Tien [9d?\]: I think black'll push with q4
])
(;B[pp]C[Namii [9d\]: Yeah
]
;W[qp]
;B[po]
;W[qn]C[Namii [9d\]: it looks good here
]
;B[pn]C[Namii [9d\]: Black is so thick
]
(;W[gl])
(;W[gm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, something like that
Namii [9d\]: I'm not sure if this is really bad for black
Tien [9d?\]: Actually this white move becomes almost optimal
Namii [9d\]: Hmm... In that way...
Tien [9d?\]: Since now d7 dies naturally while the black moyo is shrunk
])
(;W[go]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe sorry, I am greedy :P
Tien [9d?\]: It's not like the lower right is that bad for black, but it's not all too good either
Tien [9d?\]: White still gets the big corner and sente
Finnish8d [-\]: so thinking about better ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: but I am sure this prefers w
Namii [9d\]: Ok, agreed :P
Finnish8d [-\]: which one w should take here?
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe this turn is good
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Tien [9d?\]: Black won't escape anyway
Namii [9d\]: Black doesn't have a shape now
Namii [9d\]: H5, but that's so awful
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, but no choice
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
]
;B[ho]
;W[hn]
;B[io]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then like j8 or something :)
]
(;W[il]C[Namii [9d\]: Jeff will like that :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ah go further ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Namii [9d\]: B may stop here and take Q18?
Namii [9d\]: But yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that's biggest now
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe white could go there instead of this?
])
(;W[qc]C[Namii [9d\]: Black is feeling the pressure
Finnish8d [-\]: That was my instinct ^^
Tien [9d?\]: I'd have done this in the Gothenburg tournament for sure :D
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Kettu [?\]: isn't lower center so so so big
Kettu [?\]: and this gote
Finnish8d [-\]: well
Finnish8d [-\]: just because it is so big
Finnish8d [-\]: so b cannot cover it with one move
Tien [9d?\]: Same for white, kind of
Finnish8d [-\]: centre territory is the hardest
Mokki [3d\]: I feel there is a double threat move on the boar that is good
Mokki [3d\]: like H9 for black
Finnish8d [-\]: ah well
Namii [9d\]: White will surely resist
Namii [9d\]: Black J8 was my instnict
Tien [9d?\]: Mine too
Tien [9d?\]: But even then, it's not too big
Namii [9d\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Imagine white p10 or so for sabaki
Mokki [3d\]: can we play the moves on board?
Namii [9d\]: R17 is something immediate (big) profit
]
(;B[hk]
;W[il]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or that
])
(;B[pc]
;W[pb]C[Kettu [?\]: but if b can then get the centre moves in sente, can return to top right later
]
(;B[hk]
;W[il]C[Kettu [?\]: so why not play them
Kettu [?\]: for example start with j8
Namii [9d\]: Hmm... will it be sente
Mokki [3d\]: now what happens from B h7?
Namii [9d\]: I would want to make sure it isn't :P
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki, h8
]
;B[hm]C[Kettu [?\]: in sente on border of two moyos? yes please!
]
;W[hl]C[Namii [9d\]: The mutual damage principle applies well here
Namii [9d\]: White doesn't need to get his moyo if black doesn't get his either
Namii [9d\]: And if black grows the moyo with less efficient moves, R17 is bigger in size
Kettu [?\]: J8 clearly better than H9, no?
Namii [9d\]: Right
])
(;B[il]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'll just play s18
]
;W[rb]C[Kettu [?\]: but the center... so big... :O
Namii [9d\]: Black still needs more moves to cover the center
Tien [9d?\]: You still don't have just one good move :)
Namii [9d\]: Well, you already have everything under M5 as points
Namii [9d\]: so those moves you play there now only concern the area above that
Namii [9d\]: and it's hard to seal
Finnish8d [-\]: it is big if one move you get the value ^^
Namii [9d\]: k11 here?
Namii [9d\]: =D
Namii [9d\]: Nah, too thin
Finnish8d [-\]: if you cannot get the value, no mater how big, it is not yours : )
Namii [9d\]: but something like M9 doesn't fully seal it
Namii [9d\]: you can do Antti's P10 after that
Kettu [?\]: i guess :)
Finnish8d [-\]: that's why centre territory is normally not appreciated :P
Tien [9d?\]: N14 or so, but still not perfect
Namii [9d\]: R17 and S18 are big moves because they basically transfer black's points to white
Tien [9d?\]: But ok, let's go on :)
Finnish8d [-\]: right : )
])))))))
(;B[ci]C[Namii [9d\]: White is happy to play C14 or something
Mokki [3d\]: makes for a too weak group and white makes points?
Tien [9d?\]: The group isn't exactly weak, I guess
Tien [9d?\]: But it's not interesting enough
Prodigious [3d?\]: black's group just is
Tien [9d?\]: That group will not do anything useful apart from living
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd guess this move is ok
Namii [9d\]: Right. I judge Assu chose C14 because he felt a bit dissatisfied with a simple extension
Finnish8d [-\]: but I won't do it myself ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Mokki [3d\]: ok
]))
(;B[eq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah b should say thanks here ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: sure b should have said thanks here : )
Finnish8d [-\]: but b insisted on taking C7
Tien [9d?\]: Then for example go with the same
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]))
(;B[qp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I'd kick here
Namii [9d\]: R4 feels too urgent
Prodigious [3d?\]: r4 demands to be played
Finnish8d [-\]: again points plus tactical value
Namii [9d\]: White would most likely R7
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, Assu didn't?
]))
(;B[pd]BL[3579]C[Black: Ilya Shikshin
White: Antti Törmänen]
;W[dc]WL[3594]
;B[qp]BL[3554]
;W[dq]WL[3553]
;B[oq]BL[3541]
;W[ce]WL[3523]
;B[co]BL[3378]
;W[nc]WL[3441]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, this is mine
]
;B[qf]BL[3373]
;W[jd]WL[3358]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, ok, Prodi in too, nice
Prodigious [3d?\]: yo
Kettu [?\]: hi
Finnish8d [-\]: hi ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Then maybe we should start with Prodi's after all?
]
;B[hq]BL[3217]C[Finnish8d [-\]: maybe I will give it back to Antti?
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
]
(;W[ep]WL[3292]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yup
]
;B[ck]BL[3215]
;W[cp]WL[3196]
;B[do]BL[3213]
;W[ci]WL[3129]
;B[fq]BL[3183]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, e4 is an obvious one now
]
;W[eq]WL[2954]
;B[fn]BL[3180]
(;W[go]WL[2905]C[Tien [9d?\]: And g5 too
Finnish8d [-\]: right ^^
]
;B[fo]BL[3176]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;W[fp]WL[2900]
;B[gp]BL[3175]
;W[ho]WL[2886]
;B[jq]BL[3140]
;W[fr]WL[2828]
;B[ko]BL[3030]
;W[ej]WL[2723]LB[dl:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: anything but that cut, I like it : )
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: And yeah, A instead was possibly interesting
Tien [9d?\]: Aim for any thinness in black's shape
]
(;B[gk]BL[3004]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, now this black move feels odd too
]
;W[el]WL[2652]
;B[fl]BL[2966]
;W[pk]WL[2494]
;B[qm]BL[2944]
;W[kq]WL[2437]C[Tien [9d?\]: Probe time here
]
;B[jp]BL[2729]
;W[ir]WL[2364]
;B[iq]BL[2727]
;W[nq]WL[2329]
;B[nr]BL[2720]
;W[or]WL[2312]
;B[np]BL[2653]
;W[mq]WL[2302]
;B[mr]BL[2653]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I mean, w has to action a bit earlier?
]
(;W[ph]WL[2138]
;B[ol]BL[2596]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: no move around there it feels like
Tien [9d?\]: Right, and doesn't have to be
Tien [9d?\]: So then live on the lower side, for sure
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: biggest
Finnish8d [-\]: but b will resist, it will be a chaos
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I'm actually considering what way to start with
Kettu [?\]: :)
Tien [9d?\]: Just m2 doesn't cut it
Finnish8d [-\]: still tough
Tien [9d?\]: Black is way too solid alright
Finnish8d [-\]: cannot do Q12?
]
(;W[oe]WL[2044]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, it does feel odd
]
;B[pc]BL[2472]
;W[og]WL[1973]
;B[hc]BL[2467]
;W[ic]WL[1961]
;B[hd]BL[2465]
;W[if]WL[1953]C[Tien [9d?\]: So then h16 is also a big one
Finnish8d [-\]: and thanks to H16
Tien [9d?\]: Since now white was able to catch up a lot
]
;B[ec]BL[2321]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;W[dd]WL[1860]
;B[db]BL[2291]
;W[cb]WL[1856]
;B[fb]BL[2205]
;W[da]WL[1841]
;B[gf]BL[2198]
;W[gj]WL[1785]
;B[hj]BL[2193]
;W[gi]WL[1781]
;B[ed]BL[2174]
;W[eb]WL[1714]
;B[ef]BL[2129]
;W[hk]WL[1682]
;B[ij]BL[2092]
;W[hl]WL[1514]
;B[em]BL[2075]
;W[jk]WL[1452]
;B[ik]BL[2069]
;W[il]WL[1418]
;B[jl]BL[2068]
;W[kk]WL[1371]
;B[ji]BL[2036]
;W[kn]WL[1259]
;B[jm]BL[1938]
;W[gm]WL[1222]
;B[ek]BL[1785]
;W[jn]WL[1213]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, so some black mistake in the process here
Finnish8d [-\]: so ok, like this, w is back to the game
Finnish8d [-\]: not like my feeling during watching
Finnish8d [-\]: that w wins here
Tien [9d?\]: Alright
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that feels more reasonable
Tien [9d?\]: Black is still really solid all over
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[ln]BL[1784]
;W[km]WL[1185]
;B[je]BL[1770]
;W[ie]WL[1167]
;B[id]BL[1769]
(;W[jc]WL[1138]
;B[hh]BL[1714]
;W[jg]WL[1082]
;B[ke]BL[1709]
;W[lg]WL[963]
;B[ld]BL[1675]
;W[lc]WL[914]
;B[mc]BL[1669]
;W[lb]WL[832]
;B[nd]BL[1625]
;W[mb]WL[827]
;B[od]BL[1620]
;W[md]WL[822]
;B[me]BL[1615]
;W[gh]WL[781]
;B[hb]BL[1586]
;W[ob]WL[748]
;B[jb]BL[1582]
;W[hg]WL[570]
;B[ib]BL[1509]
;W[pb]WL[550]
;B[qb]BL[1508]
;W[na]WL[466]
;B[pa]BL[1497]
;W[kb]WL[460]
(;B[bo]BL[1492]C[Tien [9d?\]: Another black mistake here, too small
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Got to be something on the lower side
]
;W[mp]WL[416]
;B[lr]BL[1489]C[Tien [9d?\]: And what was white's sequence again
Finnish8d [-\]: have to read again :P
Tien [9d?\]: I peeked :D
]
(;W[pl]WL[327]
;B[pm]BL[1486]
;W[om]WL[312]
;B[ok]BL[1481]
;W[pj]WL[253]
;B[nm]BL[1467]
;W[on]WL[244]
;B[nn]BL[1466]
;W[op]WL[185]
;B[pq]BL[1463]
;W[no]WL[180]
;B[mo]BL[1449]
;W[nl]WL[61]
;B[pn]BL[1445]
;W[oo]WL[58]
;B[nk]BL[1410]
;W[ml]WL[54]
;B[mk]BL[1410]
;W[mj]WL[515]
;B[po]BL[1395]
;W[mm]WL[504]
;B[mn]BL[1394]
;W[lk]WL[493]
;B[pp]BL[1393]
;W[kc]WL[479]
;B[mc]BL[1391]
;W[qc]WL[467]
;B[rc]BL[1382]
;W[md]WL[462]
;B[bq]BL[1375]
;W[fa]WL[413]
;B[de]BL[1350]
;W[fe]WL[360]
;B[fd]BL[1332]
;W[gb]WL[322]
;B[gc]BL[1325]
;W[fc]WL[319]
;B[ge]BL[1323]
;W[df]WL[305]
;B[fb]BL[1321]
;W[np]WL[271]
;B[lq]BL[1318]
;W[fc]WL[267]
;B[ee]BL[1317]
;W[gq]WL[194]
;B[mc]BL[1287]
;W[qg]WL[142]
;B[hr]BL[1206]
;W[br]WL[113]
;B[fb]BL[1041]
;W[md]WL[93]
;B[ga]BL[1034]
;W[rf]WL[71]
;B[re]BL[1032]
;W[qe]WL[68]
;B[qd]BL[1031]
;W[rl]WL[61]
;B[mc]BL[1025]
;W[dg]WL[44]
;B[ql]BL[1018]
;W[rk]WL[41]
;B[qk]BL[996]
;W[qj]WL[38]
;B[mg]BL[940]
;W[mh]WL[24]
;B[lf]BL[932]
;W[kg]WL[18]
;B[pf]BL[908]
;W[of]WL[555]
;B[rg]BL[904]
;W[rh]WL[551]
;B[bj]BL[824]
;W[bi]WL[539]
;B[ai]BL[786]
;W[ah]WL[532]
;B[aj]BL[786]
;W[bg]WL[514]
;B[bp]BL[753]
;W[ar]WL[504]
;B[oc]BL[616]
;W[md]WL[483]
;B[cr]BL[615]
;W[cq]WL[477]
;B[mc]BL[614]
;W[lp]WL[454]
;B[kp]BL[611]
;W[md]WL[451]
;B[dr]BL[607]
;W[er]WL[431]
;B[mc]BL[606]
;W[dk]WL[329]
;B[dl]BL[594]
;W[md]WL[325]
;B[cd]BL[593])
(;W[op]
;B[pq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: P4 then N7
]
;W[mm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[mn]
;W[nm]
;B[nn]
;W[om]C[Tien [9d?\]: And with this, white is fine
]
;B[pl]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[oo]
;B[lo]
;W[qk]C[Tien [9d?\]: And something
Finnish8d [-\]: this is enough?
Tien [9d?\]: Not sure, but it has to be like this right?
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[ok]
;W[mk]
;B[rh]
;W[qi]
(;B[bq]LB[rn:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: I still feel like black is a bit good
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah just what I want to say
Finnish8d [-\]: what w got is limited from bottom in fact
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, but really close when counting now
Finnish8d [-\]: so b has a judgement here probably
Tien [9d?\]: White has good endgame at around A, so it could be fine
Finnish8d [-\]: that is w right
]
;W[gq]
;B[hr]
;W[rn]
;B[qn]
;W[ro]
;B[qo]
;W[ql]
;B[pm]
;W[rm]
;B[rp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I think white is fine here
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
])
(;B[rm]
;W[bp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe this is more like it
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Still should be good enough to white
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, maybe we can stop the actual live review now with this two hours?
Finnish8d [-\]: sure ^^
Tien [9d?\]: I thought we could also make a cleaned-up version of this sgf file
Finnish8d [-\]: so next Tuesday, 2nd round?
Tien [9d?\]: With just the most important content, most of the comments removed
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: And yeah, the next session is in one week
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Tien [9d?\]: I think we'll still need to try to get more actual discussion
Tien [9d?\]: But it looks like these meetings could work out
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Kettu and Prodi, opinions?
Namii [9d\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: I can make the cleaned-up file today
Namii [9d\]: Rgr
Tien [9d?\]: But we should maybe even-out that during the next weeks
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, see you next time!
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Namii [9d\]: thanks all \\o
Finnish8d [-\]: I will do it next time
Finnish8d [-\]: thanks ^^
])))
(;B[mm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Fix here or so?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah should be fine
]))
(;W[ih]C[Tien [9d?\]: Is this still reasonable?
Finnish8d [-\]: still this is reasonable, yes
]
;B[jc]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[ld]
;B[ok]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then go for lower side
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[mp]C[Tien [9d?\]: So turn I guess
]
;B[lr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he will M2
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Kettu [?\]: disaster?
]
(;W[op]
;B[pq])
(;W[pr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: G5 is a big one
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, it does make everything difficult later on
Finnish8d [-\]: now just nothing is easy
]))
(;W[pr]C[Tien [9d?\]: Take the corner instead?
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, not simple either
Finnish8d [-\]: so from today's view
]))
(;W[mp]
;B[lr]
;W[pm]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: This'd be an idea then
Namii [9d\]: Since w dosen't have to do P15-Q17 now, I like this
Finnish8d [-\]: not now right ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, this is manageable, found it
]))
(;B[fk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Isn't this the shape?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
]))
(;W[pk]C[Tien [9d?\]: And here, just take the right side for now
Tien [9d?\]: Anything but that cut
]))
(;W[cp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: you memorize it better than I do : )
]
;B[do]
;W[fq]
(;B[go]
;W[dj]C[Tien [9d?\]: So knowing Ilya, we'd probably get this
])
(;B[dj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Though actually something like this is probably better
])))
(;B[qd]BL[3559]C[Black: Timur Sankin
White: Juuso NyyssönenFinnish8d [-\]: sure
]
;W[dp]WL[3598]
;B[pq]BL[3555]C[Tien [9d?\]: It's the next one I think
]
;W[dc]WL[3596]
;B[oc]BL[3526]
;W[po]WL[3590]
;B[pl]BL[3508]
;W[mp]WL[3525]
;B[oo]BL[3505]
;W[on]WL[3524]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, no
]
;B[no]BL[3503]C[Tien [9d?\]: The lowest one then :D
]
;W[pp]WL[3495]
;B[nq]BL[3495]
;W[qq]WL[3480]
;B[oq]BL[3493]
;W[nn]WL[3478]
;B[mo]BL[3492]
;W[rp]WL[3356]
;B[iq]BL[3438]
;W[pi]WL[3351]
;B[qg]BL[3429]
;W[qh]WL[3302]
;B[pg]BL[3365]
;W[ok]WL[3300]C[Tien [9d?\]: I guess so far there's nothing special
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[de]BL[3358]
;W[cg]WL[3286]LB[ce:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Like, if it was me, I'd pick A here
Tien [9d?\]: But I cannot say c13 is worse
]
;B[be]BL[3231]
(;W[fd]WL[3257]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yes, I'd do that too
]
;B[ef]BL[3227]
;W[cj]WL[3251]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...And now there's probably something odd
]
;B[hc]BL[3220]C[Tien [9d?\]: Welcome in, Mokki
Tien [9d?\]: We started from Prodi's game
]
;W[hd]WL[3245]
;B[id]BL[3217]
;W[he]WL[3244]
;B[ec]BL[3169]
;W[eb]WL[3242]
;B[dd]BL[3086]
;W[ic]WL[3239]
;B[db]BL[3082]
;W[fb]WL[3238]
;B[cc]BL[3081]
;W[jc]WL[3237]TR[oc][qd][pg][qg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: very fine : )
Finnish8d [-\]: but
Tien [9d?\]: If I remember right, this sequence is one of the joseki alright
Finnish8d [-\]: I prefer b
Tien [9d?\]: Right, for two reasons
Tien [9d?\]: First, white's thick group is towards that incredibly solid black corner
Tien [9d?\]: Secondly, black corner profit and sente
Prodigious [3d?\]: yeah, black is ok
Finnish8d [-\]: Was thinking during the game, that if w should have 2 space extension instead of F16 keima
Tien [9d?\]: But right, maybe something a bit off for white, but didn't decide anything
]
;B[cl]BL[3040]
;W[cn]WL[3221]
;B[dk]BL[3023]
;W[dj]WL[3096]
;B[fk]BL[2960]
;W[ej]WL[2484]
;B[ek]BL[2858]
;W[gi]WL[2477]
;B[dr]BL[2837]
;W[cq]WL[2439]
;B[fq]BL[2390]C[Finnish8d [-\]: no idea how to manage this shape :P
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
(;W[hp]WL[2427]
;B[fo]BL[2341]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, I guess around here it went downhill for white
Finnish8d [-\]: H4 asked a bit too much
Prodigious [3d?\]: hehe, yeah
Prodigious [3d?\]: i knew this was coming
Tien [9d?\]: From looking at the whole game, this seems to be the most crucial part
Tien [9d?\]: And alright, by this cut white has to be in trouble
]
;W[hq]WL[2425]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This is so difficult a situation
]
;B[ip]BL[2335]C[Finnish8d [-\]: to me at least b doesn't need to push from behind for the 2nd one
]
;W[ho]WL[2423]
(;B[io]BL[1769]
;W[hn]WL[2407]
;B[en]BL[1743]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so black was a bit slack at around here?
Finnish8d [-\]: well
]
;W[cr]WL[2379]
;B[in]BL[1695]
;W[hl]WL[2274]
;B[gj]BL[1667]
;W[im]WL[2199]
;B[gm]BL[1654]
;W[hm]WL[2189]
;B[hi]BL[1641]
;W[gh]WL[2180]
;B[eh]BL[1579]
;W[fi]WL[2148]
;B[ij]BL[1541]LB[pl:B][ip:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, ok, how's the situation
Tien [9d?\]: Looks reasonable so far?
Finnish8d [-\]: feels better now
Finnish8d [-\]: when b let w get C2
Tien [9d?\]: Black A may have been bad
Tien [9d?\]: But anyway, white still has to escape
Prodigious [3d?\]: yeah, i got away pretty easy in the end
Tien [9d?\]: And there's that stone at B lying in wait
]
;W[kl]WL[2112]
;B[mn]BL[1366]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
Tien [9d?\]: Now white fixes for free?
]
;W[ol]WL[2066]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Prodigious [3d?\]: more or less, yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Then this should be a white clean lead now
]
;B[nm]BL[1359]
;W[om]WL[2056]
;B[hf]BL[1211]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right, w is good at this moment
]
;W[gf]WL[1876]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: sure
]
;B[lk]BL[679]
;W[kk]WL[1865]
;B[lj]BL[672]
;W[kj]WL[1857]
;B[ki]BL[671]
;W[ji]WL[1810]
;B[jh]BL[607]
;W[ml]WL[1777]
;B[li]BL[533]
;W[ll]WL[1772]
;B[hr]BL[299]
;W[gr]WL[1769]
;B[ir]BL[297]
;W[fr]WL[1756]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: i manage to mess up the upper right corner in a spectacular fashion though
Tien [9d?\]: Wait, f2?
Prodigious [3d?\]: yeah, bad
Prodigious [3d?\]: should play on the top
Finnish8d [-\]: too small
Tien [9d?\]: Right, that's way bigger
]
;B[ig]BL[265]
;W[jj]WL[1633]
;B[hh]BL[251]
;W[gg]WL[1630]
;B[kc]BL[209]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...Russian style
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
]
(;W[jd]WL[1493]C[Kettu [?\]: ?!
Prodigious [3d?\]: there are some annoying things here
Finnish8d [-\]: ask for extreme ^^
]
;B[kb]BL[199]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, 50 seconds for the next move
Tien [9d?\]: Did you count?
Prodigious [3d?\]: i don't remember
Tien [9d?\]: Looks like an important moment
Prodigious [3d?\]: i thought i was doing ok
Finnish8d [-\]: top right area is the decisive area
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so look for aji
]
;W[pc]WL[1443]
;B[od]BL[141]
;W[qc]WL[1429]
;B[rd]BL[109]
;W[kg]WL[1389]
;B[kh]BL[81]
;W[lg]WL[1340]
;B[mh]BL[38]
;W[mc]WL[1284]
;B[ie]BL[584]
;W[je]WL[1181]
;B[if]BL[582]
;W[gd]WL[1131]
;B[mb]BL[534]
;W[nb]WL[1076]
;B[ob]BL[530]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: but here everything goes awry
]
;W[lb]WL[1074]
;B[lc]BL[456]
;W[nf]WL[932]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: after a really bad misread
]
;B[oh]BL[437]
;W[ma]WL[860]
;B[md]BL[434]
;W[ld]WL[851]
;B[kd]BL[364]
;W[le]WL[784]
;B[ke]BL[362]
;W[kf]WL[766]
;B[me]BL[338]
;W[lf]WL[764]
;B[nc]BL[328]
;W[mb]WL[761]
;B[hb]BL[309]
(;W[ib]WL[752]
;B[ka]BL[251]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: l19 too good
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, that's big
]
;W[jf]WL[644]
;B[la]BL[229]C[Tien [9d?\]: Dang, that's tough
]
;W[ng]WL[515]
;B[oi]BL[226]
;W[rg]WL[467]
;B[rf]BL[222]
;W[rh]WL[466]
;B[pj]BL[218]
;W[qj]WL[465]
;B[kn]BL[214]
;W[pr]WL[343]
;B[qr]BL[210]
;W[rr]WL[335]
;B[ph]BL[198]
;W[qi]WL[331]
;B[pk]BL[197]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, I guess we've seen this now?
Prodigious [3d?\]: sure
]
;W[oj]WL[325]
;B[rk]BL[194]
;W[qk]WL[310]
;B[ql]BL[192]
;W[rl]WL[310]
;B[rm]BL[189]
;W[sl]WL[310]
;B[sm]BL[185]
;W[qm]WL[310]
;B[sk]BL[599]
;W[rl]WL[310]
;B[sl]BL[598]
;W[pm]WL[310]
;B[rl]BL[598]
;W[rj]WL[310]
;B[si]BL[537]
;W[rn]WL[231]
;B[sg]BL[524]
;W[sh]WL[226]
;B[sf]BL[493]
;W[sn]WL[224]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: he gives me some points for free here
Prodigious [3d?\]: but not enough
Finnish8d [-\]: top side is decisive, after that nothing much
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Tien [9d?\]: Let's go for Assu's then?
]
;B[eq]BL[467]
;W[er]WL[198]
;B[dq]BL[464]
;W[ds]WL[190]
;B[bm]BL[376]
;W[do]WL[163]
;B[fp]BL[331]
;W[bn]WL[160]
;B[bh]BL[318]
;W[dg]WL[23]
;B[bk]BL[281]
;W[bg]WL[1]
;B[bj]BL[277]
;W[eg]WL[587]
;B[or]BL[272]
;W[qs]WL[511]
;B[an]BL[256]
;W[ao]WL[507]
;B[am]BL[255]
;W[bp]WL[500]
;B[gq]BL[210]
;W[dm]WL[472]
;B[em]BL[202]
;W[of]WL[397]
;B[pf]BL[194]
;W[oe]WL[388]
;B[pe]BL[185]
;W[ci]WL[370]
;B[gs]BL[181]
;W[es]WL[369]
;B[bi]BL[128]
;W[af]WL[282]
;B[ae]BL[122]
;W[mm]WL[242]
;B[jm]BL[102]
;W[jl]WL[235]
;B[ik]BL[98]
;W[km]WL[234]
;B[jn]BL[594]
;W[il]WL[233]
;B[fc]BL[445]
;W[gc]WL[230]
;B[ea]BL[428]
;W[fa]WL[221]
;B[da]BL[425]
;W[ed]WL[220]
;B[dc]BL[424]
;W[ha]WL[214]
;B[ff]BL[413]
;W[ln]WL[190]
;B[lo]BL[411]
;W[df]WL[153]
;B[ee]BL[402]
;W[ce]WL[145]
;B[cd]BL[376]
;W[bf]WL[141]
;B[bc]BL[361]
;W[gl]WL[98]
;B[fl]BL[326]
;W[gn]WL[71]
;B[fe]BL[310]
;W[ge]WL[70]
;B[fg]BL[304]
;W[fh]WL[597]
;B[ch]BL[301]
;W[dh]WL[595]
;B[fm]BL[260]
;W[ii]WL[541]
;B[dn]BL[229]
;W[cm]WL[536]
;B[dl]BL[227]
;W[ih]WL[522]
;B[hj]BL[216]
;W[ne]WL[483]
;B[nd]BL[158]
;W[nj]WL[453]
;B[mi]BL[154]
;W[op]WL[443]
;B[np]BL[153]
;W[mk]WL[384]
;B[os]BL[150]
;W[ps]WL[361]
;B[na]BL[101]
;W[ah]WL[355]
;B[ai]BL[99]
;W[cf]WL[321]
;B[ag]BL[93]
;W[ei]WL[321]
;B[ah]BL[595]
;W[lm]WL[317]
;B[eo]BL[589]
;W[co]WL[315]
;B[hg]BL[585]
;W[cs]WL[292]
;B[hs]BL[582]
;W[gb]WL[283]
;B[jg]BL[576]
;W[jb]WL[278]
;B[ja]BL[575]
;W[]WL[274]
;B[]BL[571]
;W[]WL[274]
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(;W[ka]
;B[fc]C[Tien [9d?\]: So if white defends now, he's fine?
Prodigious [3d?\]: hopefully
]
;W[dh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Something like this
Namii [9d\]: Hi there
Finnish8d [-\]: hi ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hi
Tien [9d?\]: Still seems close
Tien [9d?\]: but yeah, should be white's lead
Prodigious [3d?\]: i saw l19 immediately after i played j18
Tien [9d?\]: ...If white can live without paying anything, that is
Prodigious [3d?\]: feels bad man
]))
(;W[kb]
;B[lb]C[Tien [9d?\]: This way, huh?
Finnish8d [-\]: to me b is not wrong actually
Finnish8d [-\]: at least not wrong
Finnish8d [-\]: just extreme
Tien [9d?\]: I'd almost want to exchange now, but it seems a bit risky with the white on the left :)
]))
(;B[cr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if the 1st one may be ok
Kettu [?\]: i think all of the pushes feel a bit bad for black
Tien [9d?\]: This'd feel better alright
Kettu [?\]: J6 also
]
;W[br]C[Finnish8d [-\]: definitely b should have attacked bottom left first no matter what
]
;B[bp]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: yeah, letting me get c2 was very generous
Finnish8d [-\]: from this sense, J4 is also wrong
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: See whatever happens here
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so we got lucky in this part :)
]))
(;W[cr]C[Tien [9d?\]: Isn't it enough to defend?
Finnish8d [-\]: that is an option ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: I may do F6
]
;B[fo]
;W[mc]LB[qj:A][ol:C][mn:B]C[Tien [9d?\]: My vision was just like this
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, the thing is, I feel like F5 has both points value and tactical value
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki and Kettu, you may give opinions and comments too :)
Tien [9d?\]: And questions
Mokki [3d\]: who is leading on points?
Tien [9d?\]: That'd depend on the assessment of the right-side area
Mokki [3d\]: i feel like b N6 here makes for too much territory
Kettu [?\]: naturally :) i'm currently eating
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah A is a question I worry about
Prodigious [3d?\]: there's some aji on the right side, yea
Tien [9d?\]: Right now, if black plays A, we cannot say for sure if white may kill black
Prodigious [3d?\]: i want to play p8 pretty soon
Tien [9d?\]: But if we imagine the exchange of black B for white C, then I think the right side is white's
]
(;B[mn]
;W[ol]
;B[jm]C[Tien [9d?\]: So as to cover Mokki's concern about the lower side, we can calculate this out
Tien [9d?\]: Upper right black, 20
Tien [9d?\]: Upper left black, 13 or so
Tien [9d?\]: Lower side black, about 40?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: White left 5, lower left 12, upper side 16, right side a bit over 30
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, we've got white down by 5, but it's white's turn
Tien [9d?\]: If like this, white shouldn't be bad
Finnish8d [-\]: still a game
Tien [9d?\]: But I think black n6 is a bit slack
])
(;B[qj]C[Tien [9d?\]: This'd be the real concern
]))
(;W[fn]
;B[hk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so as to force black here
Finnish8d [-\]: then F4 and tenuki
]
;W[fp]
;B[gq]LB[jp:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, Jeff's comment about tactical value was good
Tien [9d?\]: White has less corner territory this way, but black's left-side group isn't not strictly alive either
Tien [9d?\]: Later, white may reduce at around A quite easily
]
;W[mc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, balanced option
]))
(;W[gc]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: ah yeah, possible
Prodigious [3d?\]: i just kind of played f16 without thinking
Tien [9d?\]: Since there's nothing too interesting along the upper side
Tien [9d?\]: Right, since it's the standard one :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Prodigious [3d?\]: this does seem to make more sense here
Tien [9d?\]: I guess other than this, the rest is fine
Tien [9d?\]: Should we predict a bit how this will go?
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Finnish8d [-\]: so b will pincer I think
]
;B[ci]LB[bc:A][jc:B]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and it depends on w attitude : )
Finnish8d [-\]: people so modest like Prodi, won't fight here immediately I believe ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, let's see
Finnish8d [-\]: then tenuki
Tien [9d?\]: I wouldn't fight either
Tien [9d?\]: And A and B feel miai enough
Tien [9d?\]: So it's the lower left corner, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
]
;W[cn]C[Tien [9d?\]: And then it's this side
Finnish8d [-\]: no doubt, wider side ^^
Tien [9d?\]: And yeah, well, now it's a normal, boring game :)
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Tien [9d?\]: Black'll take d2 or so next
]))
(;B[qd]BL[3574]C[Black: Juri Kuronen
White: Alexander Dinerchtein]
;W[qq]WL[3570]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[dc]BL[3436]
;W[cp]WL[3558]
;B[ce]BL[3356]
;W[od]WL[3506]
;B[oc]BL[3327]
;W[nc]WL[3478]
;B[pc]BL[3326]
;W[md]WL[3442]
;B[qf]BL[3287]
;W[jc]WL[3413]
;B[eq]BL[3120]
;W[cm]WL[3290]
;B[pn]BL[2863]
;W[nq]WL[3272]
;B[hc]BL[2678]C[Namii [9d\]: I had a special plan in this game
Namii [9d\]: That explains some of the speedy decisions
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: In fact when I see it now, Q6 looks a bit odd
Namii [9d\]: I knew that Dinerchtein will not easily attack you, so I took aadvantage of it
Tien [9d?\]: I'd still prefer black o3 instead of q6 though :)
Namii [9d\]: Right ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: just what I want to say ^^
]
;W[dq]WL[3238]
;B[ep]BL[2662]
;W[gp]WL[3104]
;B[em]BL[2503]
;W[pk]WL[2992]
;B[co]BL[2451]C[Namii [9d\]: This was probably too early
Namii [9d\]: Since C9 and so on lost effectiveness
Finnish8d [-\]: I guess next time before we do this session, I shouldn't read pro games that day :P
Tien [9d?\]: :D
Namii [9d\]: In these kind of things I am weak at online games
Namii [9d\]: Too hasty to play
]
;W[bo]WL[2990]
;B[do]BL[2450]
(;W[bn]WL[2762]
;B[cq]BL[2309]
;W[cr]WL[2748]
;B[bq]BL[2307]
;W[dr]WL[2573]
;B[dp]BL[2301]
;W[bp]WL[2568]
;B[er]BL[2300]
;W[br]WL[2566]
;B[hq]BL[2299]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So already easy to b here, right?
Namii [9d\]: I didn't mind it ^^
]
;W[nn]WL[2382]
;B[ol]BL[2086]
;W[ok]WL[2370]
;B[nm]BL[2082]
;W[mm]WL[2359]
;B[nl]BL[2081]
;W[jq]WL[2173]
(;B[nk]BL[1234]
;W[nj]WL[2012]C[Namii [9d\]: High quality internet gaems
Finnish8d [-\]: so thanks to him then ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]
;B[mj]BL[1210]
;W[ni]WL[1873]
;B[mn]BL[1191]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I know
Finnish8d [-\]: I am thinking if w may resist this
Finnish8d [-\]: cos otherwise too good to b
]
(;W[no]WL[1808]
;B[lm]BL[1154]C[Namii [9d\]: I didn't feel bad here because I became quite thick in the center
]
;W[mi]WL[1762]
;B[lj]BL[927]
;W[mo]WL[1725]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so massive black lead by now
]
;B[ln]BL[922]
;W[jo]WL[1414]C[Namii [9d\]: By the way, these reviews are supposed to be for Finnsih players, btu since we review in English, we are actually helping everyone :P
Namii [9d\]: Unnationalistic!
Tien [9d?\]: We need to hide the  files so that foreigners won't easily find them :)
Kettu [?\]: maybe run the sgf file through a google translate :)=
Namii [9d\]: :D
Tien [9d?\]: Haha
Namii [9d\]: Yeah I felt satisfied here
]
;B[li]BL[740]TR[li][mi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah actually wanted to ask earlier
Namii [9d\]: Right.
Namii [9d\]: I was still aiming at M17
Tien [9d?\]: M17 is no weakness, right?
Namii [9d\]: that's why I thought M11 was a powerful turn
Tien [9d?\]: It's too easy for white to answer n18
Finnish8d [-\]: those moves are both doing something actually pointless
Namii [9d\]: Hehe
Namii [9d\]: It's good to look at the game with fresh eyes :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: right after the game, we cannot see things clearly
]
;W[di]WL[1170]
;B[pi]BL[573]
;W[qi]WL[1104]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, yeah, that could be good
Namii [9d\]: Then I could choose Q12
Namii [9d\]: W would not capture the 1 stone there
Namii [9d\]: So I'd get what I want
Namii [9d\]: Both made mistakes, I guess
]
;B[qj]BL[477]
;W[pj]WL[1092]
;B[ri]BL[474]
;W[qh]WL[1082]C[Tien [9d?\]: Truth be told, now that I see this, I don't like m11 very much
]
(;B[ph]BL[473]C[Namii [9d\]: At least once
]
(;W[pm]WL[974]C[Namii [9d\]: Q7 ended up being a pseudo tesuji
Namii [9d\]: Since there is nothing in the corner black can do
Namii [9d\]: my problem probably is that I play 90% moves like M11 instead of 100% moves
Namii [9d\]: But anyway, I got all I wanted here because of this pseudo tesuji :D
Tien [9d?\]: Anyway, another "thanks to breakfast" move here
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Namii [9d\]: Usually Dinerchtein is quite careful about points
Finnish8d [-\]: and just in those few you may lose to European top ones
Namii [9d\]: So this was weird
Mokki [3d\]: thank you move :)
Namii [9d\]: Maybe he overestimated the aji of the two stones
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, thanks to this ^^
Namii [9d\]: There is a ko, but a hard one
Tien [9d?\]: That ko is basically like black owing maybe 2-3 points
]
;B[qk]BL[583]
;W[pl]WL[965]C[Namii [9d\]: White should play R9 and S9 first
Namii [9d\]: Then Q7
]
;B[rm]BL[583]
;W[qn]WL[699]
;B[rn]BL[478]
;W[qo]WL[624]
;B[hp]BL[264]C[Tien [9d?\]: I recall there were two more important areas
Finnish8d [-\]: this is already not possible to lose
Tien [9d?\]: The upper left corner and then around white h5
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [9d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: let's see
]
;W[rh]WL[609]
;B[qg]BL[263]
;W[rj]WL[604]
;B[rk]BL[263]
;W[si]WL[601]
;B[sg]BL[262]
;W[sk]WL[512]
;B[rl]BL[259]
;W[fc]WL[392]
;B[he]BL[217]C[Namii [9d\]: Around here I am running terribly low on time
]
;W[hb]WL[256]C[Namii [9d\]: so I played normal moves
]
;B[ib]BL[152]
;W[ic]WL[234]
;B[gb]BL[151]
;W[hd]WL[233]
;B[gc]BL[150]
;W[gd]WL[232]
;B[fb]BL[149]
;W[ho]WL[65]C[Namii [9d\]: but I think this is good for black
Namii [9d\]: Only, I should cut at G5 now
Namii [9d\]: then do J16 if I have the time
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that's simple
Tien [9d?\]: Then it's done
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: G5 is very important
Namii [9d\]: but... my time was very short
]
;B[id]BL[132]
;W[ge]WL[3]
;B[ie]BL[90]
;W[gf]WL[559]
;B[lc]BL[88]
;W[ld]WL[504]
;B[ig]BL[56]
;W[kc]WL[461]C[Namii [9d\]: This move (M17) is to get two moves in a row int he center 
Namii [9d\]: the center*
Finnish8d [-\]: So M17 is a gift
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;B[gh]BL[54]
;W[df]WL[405]
;B[bg]BL[47]C[Namii [9d\]: Practical method
]
;W[en]WL[264]C[Namii [9d\]: Another thank you move :P
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah I do remember this one
Tien [9d?\]: Then wrong white direction
Finnish8d [-\]: thanks a lot to this
]
;B[fn]BL[37]
;W[fo]WL[235]
;B[gn]BL[37]
;W[gq]WL[190]
;B[go]BL[30]
;W[hr]WL[185]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Namii [9d\]: It's more important to harass the white G14 group
Namii [9d\]: but luckily, he made another thank you move :P
]
;B[hn]BL[29]
;W[dn]WL[131]
;B[fp]BL[26]
;W[fr]WL[125]
;B[eo]BL[24]C[Namii [9d\]: so I lost the sente
]
;W[fj]WL[92]C[Namii [9d\]: but H6 was bad
Namii [9d\]: I am in time problems
Namii [9d\]: or well, I think black is good anyway
]
;B[ei]BL[423]
;W[ej]WL[76]C[Namii [9d\]: F10 is just way too thin
]
;B[dh]BL[423]
;W[fi]WL[61]C[Tien [9d?\]: In any case, yes
Namii [9d\]: Asks to be cut
Tien [9d?\]: It got closer now, but black should be solid anyway
]
;B[fh]BL[419]
;W[eh]WL[60]
;B[eg]BL[418]
;W[dg]WL[34]
;B[ch]BL[417]
;W[fg]WL[32]
;B[ei]BL[417]
;W[rg]WL[28]
;B[rf]BL[416]
;W[eh]WL[28]
;B[ro]BL[275]
;W[ef]WL[25]
;B[qp]BL[274]
;W[pp]WL[23]
;B[rp]BL[274]
;W[pq]WL[16]
;B[hj]BL[258]C[Tien [9d?\]: Though j5 at around here would be better, likely
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah J5 is huge
Namii [9d\]: I wanted to fix the shape for my center stones
Namii [9d\]: but yeah, J5 is big
]
;W[cd]WL[15]
;B[dd]BL[233]
;W[be]WL[13]
;B[bf]BL[231]C[Namii [9d\]: Now I manage to give white a small lead
]
;W[de]WL[11]
;B[cf]BL[230]
;W[cc]WL[10]
;B[cb]BL[229]
;W[bb]WL[599]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh right and here, black had to give a bit away
]
;B[db]BL[227]
;W[bd]WL[586]C[Tien [9d?\]: It was b16 instead of d16
]
;B[ac]BL[221]
;W[ab]WL[523]
;B[cj]BL[102]C[Namii [9d\]: Right. You mentioned it in your blog
]
;W[ba]WL[507]
;B[dk]BL[101]
;W[bk]WL[485]
;B[bj]BL[94]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh right, I actually posted the commentary of this game there
Namii [9d\]: Yeah. I think everything after this is included in your commentary ^^
Namii [9d\]: But the content in the opening was new
Namii [9d\]: so maybe move to your game?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Namii [9d\]: Now it's byo-yomi paradise for both
Finnish8d [-\]: this price is inevitable it seems, from today's view
Finnish8d [-\]: b corner is thin
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so move to Antti's?
Namii [9d\]: White has a small lead for a while but then misreads at the top
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that should be fine
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
]
;W[ck]WL[444]
;B[dj]BL[90]
;W[hh]WL[436]
;B[hg]BL[82]
;W[fl]WL[401]
;B[ek]BL[29]
;W[fk]WL[323]
;B[dm]BL[28]
;W[gi]WL[259]
;B[ae]BL[9]
;W[af]WL[254]
;B[ih]BL[448]
;W[cn]WL[245]
;B[fm]BL[439]
;W[gg]WL[232]
;B[io]BL[400]
;W[jn]WL[212]
;B[kp]BL[301]
;W[jp]WL[210]
;B[ag]BL[266]
;W[bc]WL[208]
;B[im]BL[248]
;W[jm]WL[205]
;B[jl]BL[247]
;W[kl]WL[201]
;B[jk]BL[246]
;W[hl]WL[188]
;B[hk]BL[236]
;W[gl]WL[168]
;B[il]BL[235]
;W[ll]WL[145]
;B[ml]BL[233]
;W[rq]WL[119]
;B[lo]BL[229]
;W[lp]WL[104]
;B[ir]BL[202]
;W[jr]WL[50]
;B[hs]BL[201]
;W[nb]WL[22]
;B[ob]BL[112]
;W[km]WL[468]
;B[ne]BL[102]
;W[oe]WL[440]
;B[nf]BL[79]
;W[og]WL[386]
;B[pg]BL[68]
;W[of]WL[384]
;B[lg]BL[48]
;W[mg]WL[344]
;B[lq]BL[23]
;W[mp]WL[340]
;B[js]BL[17]
;W[ks]WL[265]
;B[lb]BL[15]
;W[jb]WL[245]
;B[ha]BL[12]
;W[ke]WL[230]
;B[lf]BL[8]
;W[mf]WL[220]
;B[gr]BL[6]
;W[sp]WL[173]
;B[oi]BL[567]
;W[oj]WL[156]
;B[me]BL[551]
;W[le]WL[150]
;B[mh]BL[549]
;W[ng]WL[144]
;B[nh]BL[548]
;W[oh]WL[109]
;B[lh]BL[544]
;W[qm]WL[86]
;B[la]BL[540]
;W[ka]WL[67]
;B[na]BL[538]
;W[ia]WL[64]
;B[hb]BL[319]
;W[fd]WL[29]
;B[ec]BL[302]
;W[so]WL[25]
;B[sf]BL[290]
;W[sh]WL[24]
;B[sl]BL[286]
;W[sn]WL[23]
;B[sj]BL[285]
;W[nd]WL[22]
;B[ne]BL[283]
;W[sk]WL[21]
;B[sq]BL[277]
;W[sr]WL[18]
;B[sj]BL[277]
;W[ma]WL[595]
;B[mb]BL[275]
;W[sk]WL[594]
;B[kr]BL[262]
;W[kq]WL[540]
;B[sj]BL[259]
;W[ca]WL[526]
;B[da]BL[255]
;W[sk]WL[524]
;B[ls]BL[253]
;W[mr]WL[518]
;B[sj]BL[252]
;W[ed]WL[512]
;B[fa]BL[246]
;W[sk]WL[511]
;B[lr]BL[234]
;W[om]WL[496]
;B[sj]BL[228]
;W[eb]WL[492]
;B[ea]BL[227]
;W[sk]WL[492]
;B[mk]BL[549]
;W[ko]WL[490]
;B[sj]BL[549]
;W[hi]WL[455]
;B[ri]BL[525]
;W[ii]WL[453]
;B[jh]BL[483]
;W[hf]WL[406]
;B[if]BL[481]
;W[jd]WL[398]
;B[je]BL[479])
(;W[qk]
;B[rj]
;W[rk]
;B[rh]
;W[pm]C[Namii [9d\]: At most some moves at N12 will be sente
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah of course
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, so what was black supposed to do?
Tien [9d?\]: This looks like black made a mistake
Finnish8d [-\]: thanks for reminding, I forgot our last discussion already :P
Namii [9d\]: Maybe I should play at R9 instead of Q12
]))
(;B[qk]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'd prefer the left side
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this push
Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, I guess this is fine
Namii [9d\]: This seems more like suji
]))
(;W[on]C[Namii [9d\]: Q8
]
;B[pl]
;W[lm]
(;B[qk]C[Tien [9d?\]: q5 or so
])
(;B[po]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this is big
Finnish8d [-\]: so ok
Finnish8d [-\]: still w shape is bad
])))
(;B[hp]C[Tien [9d?\]: O9 looks like wrong direction alright
Tien [9d?\]: And yeah, h4 looks good
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe well, I stop here just because this is so big
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, I wonder why I didn't play it. I guess I wanted to be extra active in the actual game
Tien [9d?\]: This also capitalizes on Dinerchtein's weakness :)
Finnish8d [-\]: and w doesn't know how to attack b right side anyway
Namii [9d\]: Well finally w didn't continue with H4 either :D
Tien [9d?\]: True that, which is also odd :)
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
]))
(;W[bp]C[Tien [9d?\]: More like it, I g uess
Finnish8d [-\]: right
])))
