(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
GN[Pandanet European Team Championships 2013, r2]DT[2013-10-30]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ho
Tien [9d?\]: Well, it's about time, let's hope we get more people in later :)
Finnish8d [-\]: right : )
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, Namii has review lecture at 20, so let's see his game first?
Tien [9d?\]: In the off chance he's interested :)
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
]LT[]NB[35]NW[34]RR[Normal]
(;B[qd]BL[3437]C[Black: Antti Törmänen
White: Artem KachanovskyiFinnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[dd]WL[3582]
;B[pq]BL[3420]
;W[oc]WL[3530]
;B[cp]BL[3394]
;W[po]WL[3507]
;B[qo]BL[3358]
;W[pp]WL[3454]
;B[qp]BL[3315]
;W[oq]WL[3452]
;B[qn]BL[3229]
;W[ep]WL[3423]
;B[pr]BL[3183]
;W[dn]WL[3380]
;B[ld]BL[3100]
;W[of]WL[3298]
;B[fc]BL[2998]
;W[cf]WL[3219]
;B[id]BL[2979]
;W[qf]WL[3199]
;B[od]BL[2908]
;W[nd]WL[3193]
;B[pc]BL[2902]
;W[oe]WL[3187]
;B[pd]BL[2892]
;W[nb]WL[3146]
;B[pb]BL[2871]
(;W[pj]WL[2920]C[Tien [9d?\]: Q10 is still off, yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: Okay seems like my point on this game remains the same as a few weeks ago : )
Tien [9d?\]: B5 definitely looks like good enough, instead
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[cn]BL[2826]
;W[cm]WL[2778]
;B[dm]BL[2816]
;W[co]WL[2724]
;B[bn]BL[2801]
;W[do]WL[2721]
;B[bo]BL[2796]
;W[cl]WL[2674]
(;B[dp]BL[2732]
;W[eo]WL[2635]
(;B[em]BL[2700]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Tien [9d?\]: How about just black c2 from start?
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe right
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, forward :)
Finnish8d [-\]: This nobi reminds me that Ilya game
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, it's similar
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;W[dj]WL[2560]
;B[eq]BL[2606]
;W[fq]WL[2554]
;B[dr]BL[2602]
;W[er]WL[2553]
;B[dq]BL[2599]
;W[gp]WL[2551]
;B[jp]BL[2585]
;W[hm]WL[2190]
;B[mp]BL[2505]
;W[fd]WL[2105]
;B[gd]BL[2479]
;W[fe]WL[2099]
;B[ec]BL[2419]
;W[dc]WL[2096]
;B[ge]BL[2391]
;W[gf]WL[1990]
;B[hk]BL[2244]
;W[mq]WL[1761]
;B[lp]BL[2222]
;W[np]WL[1722]
;B[no]BL[2211]
;W[pn]WL[1717]
;B[pm]BL[2206]
;W[on]WL[1714]
;B[pl]BL[1962]
;W[nm]WL[1553]C[Tien [9d?\]: And again, I have to do similar tricky maneuver to reduce with h9
Tien [9d?\]: Black may be ahead, but not by much
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[lm]BL[1907]
;W[nk]WL[1507]
(;B[ne]BL[1871]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, agree about o15 now
Tien [9d?\]: Doesn't make any sense
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Better let white make that dame connection
Finnish8d [-\]: but logical if you plan to do so far back to H9
Tien [9d?\]: Black k7 instead
Finnish8d [-\]: I wasn't even thinking about it :P
Tien [9d?\]: I can find use to h9 anyway, too
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: It still makes it hard for white to find shape
]
;W[jl]WL[1198]C[Tien [9d?\]: Juggling time :)
]
;B[me]BL[1800]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;W[lk]WL[1195]
;B[lq]BL[1781]
;W[hf]WL[1160]
;B[gm]BL[1652]
;W[hn]WL[1128]
;B[dk]BL[1599]
;W[ck]WL[1123]
;B[ej]BL[1596]
;W[di]WL[1121]
;B[hl]BL[1473]
;W[jn]WL[1105]
;B[iq]BL[1408]
;W[hq]WL[867]
;B[io]BL[1380]
;W[gn]WL[808]
;B[jk]BL[1364]
;W[kk]WL[772]
;B[il]BL[1327]
;W[jm]WL[768]
;B[ij]BL[1259]
;W[mr]WL[761]
;B[lr]BL[1254]
;W[bq]WL[707]
;B[bp]BL[1221]
;W[gr]WL[694]
;B[or]BL[1034]
;W[ms]WL[673]
;B[nl]BL[848]
;W[ml]WL[657]
;B[jr]BL[694]
;W[kc]WL[648]C[Tien [9d?\]: I guess black has to permit white to live, simply
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: so earlier I was thinking about if N15 asked too much
Tien [9d?\]: Probably, yeah
Tien [9d?\]: But I'll still count o15 as the mistake
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure ^^
]
(;B[kd]BL[615]
(;W[jc]WL[647]
;B[ic]BL[606]
;W[jd]WL[515]
;B[je]BL[600]
;W[ie]WL[508]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then it's a tight territorial contest
]
;B[lb]BL[563]
;W[gj]WL[446]
;B[jf]BL[527]C[Tien [9d?\]: In the game, m18 kind of saved me
Finnish8d [-\]: and when b got K14, it is a b win 
]
;W[ji]WL[404]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;B[ii]BL[483]
;W[jh]WL[344]
;B[gi]BL[393]
;W[fj]WL[303]
;B[ff]BL[570]
;W[hh]WL[275]
;B[fi]BL[533]
;W[ek]WL[169]
;B[ei]BL[491]
;W[fl]WL[166]
;B[ef]BL[424]
;W[ih]WL[155]
;B[de]BL[272]
;W[ce]WL[99]
;B[ed]BL[268]
;W[hd]WL[83]
;B[hc]BL[257]
;W[dh]WL[1]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just got to connect here and take sente to r10
Finnish8d [-\]: if b just does things simple now
]
(;B[dg]BL[208]
;W[fg]WL[568]
(;B[cg]BL[167]
;W[eg]WL[559]
;B[df]BL[161]
;W[bg]WL[549]
;B[bh]BL[141]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This is a misread with time pushing
]
;W[ch]WL[529]
;B[ee]BL[137]
;W[bf]WL[516]
;B[dl]BL[130]
;W[eh]WL[408]
;B[ph]BL[68]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So here
]
(;W[qh]WL[370]
;B[qi]BL[54]
;W[pi]WL[367]
;B[rh]BL[34]
;W[qg]WL[361]
;B[qj]BL[31]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so here with this gain, b is back to the game
]
;W[ol]WL[301]
;B[pk]BL[17]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and this exchange, now in fact b is agan ahead
]
;W[ko]WL[279]
;B[is]BL[12]
;W[oh]WL[263]
;B[db]BL[8]
;W[cb]WL[259]
;B[eb]BL[6]
;W[ds]WL[257]
;B[cs]BL[4]
;W[es]WL[255]
;B[br]BL[2]
;W[hr]WL[251]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then we get successful white time moves
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: I had something like 3-4 stones remaining
Tien [9d?\]: Ok,  but still a relatively good game for black
Tien [9d?\]: Just a few ambiguous mistakes
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Got to watch out for the byo-yomi next time, just
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: So ok, next round in a week
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: But alright, if we're done with the live part, I can clean this file up again
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Tien [9d?\]: I can do it in 20-30min
Tien [9d?\]: Let's try to gather again in two weeks
Finnish8d [-\]: ok nice ^^
Tien [9d?\]: One week after the match
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I will clear up my schedule for that
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Tien [9d?\]: I'll update wiki later about it
Tien [9d?\]: Or you may do it, too
Finnish8d [-\]: I can do it yes
Tien [9d?\]: Should be easy to copy the current table, just fix date
Tien [9d?\]: Alright :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;W[ng]C[Tien [9d?\]: I was confident I could have pulled the byo-yomi off
Finnish8d [-\]: w should have fought against you ^^
Tien [9d?\]: But the IGS lag did its best to challenge me
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]))
(;B[eh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just counted, looks like 5-10 points win for black with the easy way
]))
(;B[fg]
;W[hi]
;B[qj]))
(;W[ic]C[Tien [9d?\]: On the upper side, there was the white life
Tien [9d?\]: So l16 at j17 instead
Finnish8d [-\]: So w could have lived like this in my memory
]
;B[hc]
;W[jd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[je]
;W[jc]
;B[ie]
;W[lb]C[Tien [9d?\]: Finally m18
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]))
(;B[ic]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: have to look at it
]
;W[kd]
;B[ke]
;W[je]
;B[jd]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[lc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not easy anyway
]))
(;B[jm]C[Tien [9d?\]: K7 feels so nice and solid here
]))
(;B[eq]
;W[fq]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[dq]
;W[gp]TR[eo][dp][dr][er]C[Tien [9d?\]: And yeah, still like that
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok, so they are extra exchanges
Tien [9d?\]: D4-e5 definitely good for white
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]))
(;B[cr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah but here
Tien [9d?\]: Then white e8 and black elsewhere
Finnish8d [-\]: hmm, since you have Q2
])
(;B[eq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, I see
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, ok
Finnish8d [-\]: probably you'd just do this
]
;W[fq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;B[dq]
;W[gp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Anyway, d4 is meaningless
Finnish8d [-\]: then tenuki
Tien [9d?\]: Lower side, probably, still
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: K4 feels a bit risky
Finnish8d [-\]: I cannot find exactly spot :P
]
;B[kp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Around there is my feeling, too
Kettu [?\]: N3 bad?
Kettu [?\]: for b
Finnish8d [-\]: well not bad
Tien [9d?\]: Feels too small
Finnish8d [-\]: but w is happy to extend
Tien [9d?\]: Black has territory already
Finnish8d [-\]: it is about to share the bottom
Tien [9d?\]: What's left is to reduce the white influence, not get more territory
Kettu [?\]: i see
Kettu [?\]: makes sense
]))
(;W[bo]C[Tien [9d?\]: As long as white gets b5, the o15 cut can never exist
]))
(;B[qd]BL[3577]C[Black: Bohdan Zhurakovskyi
White: Juri KuronenKettu [?\]: ye
Tien [9d?\]: Then Jeff can do mine
]
;W[dc]WL[3569]
;B[pq]BL[3548]
;W[dp]WL[3463]
;B[ce]BL[3545]
;W[oc]WL[3443]
;B[ld]BL[3540]
;W[of]WL[3157]
;B[qg]BL[3364]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: need to have the head up on top left first
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
(;W[id]WL[3146]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this seems to be incorrect in theory
Tien [9d?\]: The pincer feels a bit odd, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: just, if w wants to pincer there
]
;B[lg]BL[3334]C[Finnish8d [-\]: the premise is to have the head up
]
;W[qc]WL[3035]
;B[pd]BL[3258]
;W[pc]WL[3030]
;B[od]BL[3257]
;W[nd]WL[3029]
;B[ne]BL[3244]
;W[me]WL[3027]
;B[md]BL[3238]
;W[nc]WL[3026]
;B[nf]BL[3222]
(;W[oe]WL[2969]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now we quickly got into a weird fight
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Mostly then this came too early
]
;B[og]BL[3073]
;W[lf]WL[2949]
;B[mg]BL[2974]
;W[kf]WL[2934]
;B[je]BL[2959]C[Finnish8d [-\]: instead of L13 tuen, L16?
]
(;W[kg]WL[2629]
;B[jd]BL[2953]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this fight a bit too much
]
(;W[ic]WL[2617]
;B[ie]BL[2944]
;W[gd]WL[2523]
;B[ge]BL[2747]
;W[ig]WL[2301]
;B[fd]BL[2438]
(;W[fe]WL[2255]
;B[hd]BL[2348]
;W[gc]WL[2254]
;B[ed]BL[2341]C[Finnish8d [-\]: definitey not that cross cut :P
Finnish8d [-\]: I have read this game earlier
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]
;W[ff]WL[2215]C[Finnish8d [-\]: in the game it created another group
Tien [9d?\]: And too many groups for white here
Namii [9d\]: Yeah I checked these ^
Namii [9d\]: ^
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, Kettu's next?
Namii [9d\]: So many overplays by me
Tien [9d?\]: Does either of you want to take over Kettu's?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe best check if Kettu is here now, though :)
Kettu [?\]: i'm here
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
]
;B[fb]BL[2183]
;W[hc]WL[2191]
;B[he]BL[2178]
;W[kb]WL[2183]
;B[hg]BL[2176]C[Tien [9d?\]: And it's starting to look like game over, already
Tien [9d?\]: No idea even what to do, here
Namii [9d\]: Hey
Tien [9d?\]: J17 is out, basically
Tien [9d?\]: Hi there
Tien [9d?\]: But now white has to pick from his three other groups
Finnish8d [-\]: hi ^^
]
(;W[eb]WL[2008]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, impossible to manage that many groups
]
;B[fg]BL[1709]
;W[eg]WL[1955]
;B[fh]BL[1678]
;W[df]WL[1941]
;B[de]BL[1659]
;W[gf]WL[1932]
;B[hf]BL[1653]
;W[cf]WL[1927]
;B[bf]BL[1632]
;W[bg]WL[1925]
;B[bd]BL[1630]
;W[af]WL[1923]
;B[be]BL[1626]
;W[eh]WL[1894]
;B[fc]BL[1581]
;W[kc]WL[1861]
;B[ch]BL[1550]
;W[cg]WL[1771]
;B[ei]BL[1544]
;W[dh]WL[1738]C[Finnish8d [-\]: seems like nothing is wrong
]
;B[gg]BL[1470]
;W[ef]WL[1733]C[Tien [9d?\]: Does black need the move in the corner?
Tien [9d?\]: That's my only doubt
Namii [9d\]: White will get an eye there with B17
Namii [9d\]: Or will he?
]
(;B[cb]BL[1431]
;W[kd]WL[1727]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, in the end white got out kinda easily
Tien [9d?\]: What did black do wrong?
Namii [9d\]: Black's territory is big though
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah to me this result is acceptable
Namii [9d\]: I don't think this is bad for black
Namii [9d\]: But yeah I am back in the game
Tien [9d?\]: But earlier, white was losing hands down
Finnish8d [-\]: well, compare to earlier w tough situation, this is already better
Tien [9d?\]: Now this is a game
Namii [9d\]: hehe 
]
;B[di]BL[1426]
;W[ci]WL[1725]
;B[cj]BL[1425]
;W[bi]WL[1724]
;B[fj]BL[1397]
;W[gi]WL[1705]
;B[fi]BL[1387]
;W[qo]WL[1662]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not r6?
Namii [9d\]: Well, if black felt optimistic, I felt pessimistic :)
Namii [9d\]: This is not one of my best games
]
;B[qm]BL[1376]
;W[op]WL[1555]
;B[pp]BL[1371]
;W[po]WL[1554]
;B[oo]BL[1358]
;W[on]WL[1554]
;B[no]BL[1356]
;W[pm]WL[1554]
;B[pl]BL[1286]
;W[ol]WL[1552]
;B[pk]BL[1285]
;W[ok]WL[1551]
;B[pj]BL[1282]
;W[or]WL[1549]
;B[rq]BL[1213]C[Namii [9d\]: My plan was something like
]
;W[oq]WL[1535]
;B[ro]BL[1206]
;W[qp]WL[1534]
;B[qq]BL[1205]
;W[rp]WL[1530]
;B[qn]BL[1185]
;W[pn]WL[1529]
;B[sp]BL[1183]
;W[rn]WL[1528]
;B[so]BL[1182]
;W[rm]WL[1522]
;B[ql]BL[1177]
;W[nn]WL[1522]C[Namii [9d\]: Cause a running fight in the center, try to develop the lower side, then aim at G13 since it is still not fully alive
]
;B[mo]BL[1158]
;W[qr]WL[1520]
;B[sr]BL[1147]
;W[pr]WL[1519]C[Namii [9d\]: However I wasn't reading all that much into it
]
;B[rl]BL[1121]
(;W[lq]WL[1496]
;B[mn]BL[1107]
;W[ml]WL[1495]
(;B[kl]BL[926]
;W[lm]WL[1327]C[Namii [9d\]: I can show you what I expected, naïvely
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, right, then this is about over
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
]
;B[nm]BL[854]
;W[om]WL[1321]
;B[mm]BL[827]
;W[mk]WL[1320]
;B[ll]BL[824]
;W[km]WL[1318]
;B[lj]BL[759]
;W[mj]WL[1317]
;B[jm]BL[670]
(;W[kn]WL[1302]
;B[mi]BL[642]C[Namii [9d\]: Path to resignation :)
]
;W[ni]WL[1259]
;B[li]BL[279]
;W[oj]WL[1169]
;B[oi]BL[132]
;W[oh]WL[1165]
;B[pi]BL[128]
;W[pg]WL[1154]
;B[ng]BL[123]
;W[rr]WL[1152]
;B[sq]BL[120]
;W[qf]WL[1140]C[Namii [9d\]: Instead of L6; I should peep at O12
]
;B[ph]BL[110]C[Namii [9d\]: but it's still something like a ko, which I can't play
])
(;W[nh]C[Namii [9d\]: and black can whenever he wants get out with L5
]
;B[ng]C[Namii [9d\]: He doesn't need to get into the semeai
]
;W[kn]
(;B[lk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Isn't this enough?
Tien [9d?\]: Or something similar
])
(;B[mi]C[Namii [9d\]: m11 
]
;W[li]
;B[lk]
;W[mh]
(;B[nj]
;W[ni]
;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[oj]
;W[mi]
;B[ki]
;W[kj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, then I guess we've mostly seen this one
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;B[ki]
;W[ni]
;B[lh]C[Namii [9d\]: But even like this, black has nothing to worry about
Namii [9d\]: L5 always gets him out + more liberties
Tien [9d?\]: Still seems more for black
Namii [9d\]: so white is definitely in a pinch
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, true
]))))
(;B[ll]
;W[lk]
(;B[lm]
;W[kk]C[Namii [9d\]: Now I can somewhat develop the bottom and black still has 2 groups to watch after
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, yeah
])
(;B[nm]
;W[om]
;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[mm]
;W[mk]
;B[kk]C[Tien [9d?\]: I expected this from quick reading
Namii [9d\]: That's an improvement, but at least O12 gives me the ladder ^^
Namii [9d\]: Not a good exchange though
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
])))
(;W[mn]C[Prodigious [3d?\]: typically n6 is kind of necessary
Prodigious [3d?\]: yea
Tien [9d?\]: One more, no?
]
;B[lo]
;W[lq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: has to push one more
Tien [9d?\]: Superior shape
Namii [9d\]: Right. I overplayed
]))
(;B[kd]C[Namii [9d\]: Maybe B18 instead
]
;W[bb]C[Namii [9d\]: I don't remember what I read in the game ^^
Tien [9d?\]: That looks like it, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Namii [9d\]: I think black was optimistic, so he played the honte
Tien [9d?\]: I feel there's something odd, still, but it's not easy to find out what
Namii [9d\]: It's not easy to find out what happens next
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe fine to go forward
]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]C[Namii [9d\]: But if white gets an eye, there should be something
]
(;B[gb]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh
])
(;B[fa]C[Namii [9d\]: Ah...
Tien [9d?\]: There's this descent though
Tien [9d?\]: Could make a difference
]
(;W[gb]C[Namii [9d\]: Is G18 required?
])
(;W[cb]
;B[ib]
;W[hb]
;B[ha]
;W[ia]
;B[gb]
;W[ib]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, right
Tien [9d?\]: Misread a liberty
]))))
(;W[dd]C[Tien [9d?\]: How's this?
Tien [9d?\]: Hi Kettu
Kettu [?\]: hello
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is a possibility to compromise
Tien [9d?\]: Looks big, anyway
Namii [9d\]: Well I was intending to push through here if black answered E18, but of course he wont
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Namii [9d\]: I wasn't feeling very well at that day, so I made many slack moves
Namii [9d\]: E18 was too greedy
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe "wishful" is the word
Namii [9d\]: Hehe
]))
(;W[he]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wedge?
]
;B[hf]
;W[hd]
;B[if]
;W[fc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah fine ^^
]
;B[fe]
;W[ki]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but not to create another group
Tien [9d?\]: Still tough of course
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]))
(;W[ki]C[Tien [9d?\]: So, got to jump I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: possible to compromise there?
])
(;W[gd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: At least jump here, feels like
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, we can find many ways for white to try to compromise
Finnish8d [-\]: to fix the gap
Tien [9d?\]: But still, the problem was earlier
Tien [9d?\]: So let's go forward
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]))
(;W[kd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: turn*
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, yeah, this could be possible
Tien [9d?\]: Similar to my that exchange in Gothenburg
Tien [9d?\]: Find no shape -> get out quickly
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah exactly ^^
]
;B[jd]
;W[kc]
;B[jc]
(;W[kb])
(;W[ke]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Heh, maybe this is best
Finnish8d [-\]: well you may still say it prefers b
Finnish8d [-\]: but it supposes to be ^^
Tien [9d?\]: At least it feels easier for white to manage now
Tien [9d?\]: Can go back to a points game
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fd]
;W[fc]
;B[gd]
;W[bc]C[Tien [9d?\]: So something along these lines, maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[dj]
;W[qn])))
(;W[rd]C[Tien [9d?\]: How's the hane?
Tien [9d?\]: Is the black counter hane still hard
]
;B[re]C[Finnish8d [-\]: actually b will
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, it is
]
;W[oe]
;B[rc]C[Tien [9d?\]: White would still be too busy
Finnish8d [-\]: so w probably doesn't want to do anything here yet
])
(;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[qk]
;B[og]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'd still feel good for black though
Tien [9d?\]: It's still that j16 that is misplaced
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe because it is :P
]))
(;W[fd]C[Tien [9d?\]: So this or kosumi, probably
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[ci]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, I still wouldn't play j16 though
Tien [9d?\]: Lower right, maybe?
]
;W[qo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe, just wherever ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]))
(;B[qd]BL[3597]C[Black: Javier-Aleksi Savolainen
White: Dmytro BogatskyiTien [9d?\]: Hmm, how's the colour
Tien [9d?\]: Assu is black
]
;W[dp]WL[3569]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Assu is b
]
;B[pq]BL[3589]
;W[dd]WL[3562]
;B[oc]BL[3579]
;W[po]WL[3468]
;B[qo]BL[3573]
;W[qn]WL[3465]
;B[qp]BL[3571]
;W[rd]WL[3450]
;B[re]BL[3569]
;W[qe]WL[3345]
;B[pe]BL[3566]
;W[qf]WL[3344]
;B[rf]BL[3565]
;W[qg]WL[3343]
;B[rg]BL[3564]
;W[qh]WL[3341]
;B[qc]BL[3548]
;W[pn]WL[3335]
;B[nq]BL[3546]
;W[qj]WL[3331]
;B[cf]BL[3489]
;W[ch]WL[3093]
;B[ck]BL[3461]C[Tien [9d?\]: Is this a move?
Tien [9d?\]: Never seen before
Finnish8d [-\]: no it is not :P
]
(;W[fc]WL[3029]
;B[cn]BL[3457]
;W[co]WL[3024]
;B[dn]BL[3449]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah well
]
;W[fp]WL[3011]
;B[cd]BL[3418]
;W[cc]WL[2962]
;B[bc]BL[3415]
(;W[ce]WL[2916]
;B[bd]BL[3412]
;W[de]WL[2830]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I have seen Ilya doing that
Tien [9d?\]: Need to see the plan first :)
]
;B[dc]BL[3405]
;W[cb]WL[2679]
;B[db]BL[3402]
;W[bb]WL[2677]
;B[ab]BL[3401]
;W[be]WL[2677]
;B[ba]BL[3399]
;W[bn]WL[2676]
;B[bm]BL[3397]
;W[bo]WL[2675]C[Tien [9d?\]: At least here, black's not so bad
Tien [9d?\]: Three solid corners
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[di]BL[3390]
;W[dh]WL[2628]
;B[ei]BL[3295]
;W[bj]WL[2342]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
]
;B[cj]BL[3270]
;W[bk]WL[2339]C[Finnish8d [-\]: without B8, b can tenuki ^^
Tien [9d?\]: No, definitely not
]
(;B[bl]BL[3223]
;W[ci]WL[2334]
;B[ek]BL[3174]C[Finnish8d [-\]: does b need to do B8?
]
(;W[iq]WL[2272]
;B[jd]BL[3166]LB[kq:A][lq:B]C[Tien [9d?\]: Black A instead, probably?
Tien [9d?\]: White B is way too big
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[hc]WL[1770]
;B[ie]BL[2923]LB[ic:A][hd:B][ke:C]C[Tien [9d?\]: I feel like black A instead
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe
Tien [9d?\]: If white B, then black C
Finnish8d [-\]: definitely defend the side
]
;W[jb]WL[1513]C[Finnish8d [-\]: high extension...
Finnish8d [-\]: and kosumi high
Tien [9d?\]: Seems black lost something here
]
;B[kb]BL[2740]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: Definitely not here
]
;W[kc]WL[1504]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
]
;B[ib]BL[2704]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and some more here
]
;W[lb]WL[1495]
;B[ic]BL[2702]
;W[rc]WL[1294]
;B[rb]BL[2692]
(;W[pd]WL[1286]
;B[pc]BL[2691]C[Tien [9d?\]: Something about these white exchanges, too
Finnish8d [-\]: but b is aiming at E16 all the time
]
;W[le]WL[1229]
;B[ed]BL[2455]
;W[fe]WL[962]
;B[ee]BL[2356]
;W[ef]WL[959]
;B[fd]BL[2353]
;W[gd]WL[927]
;B[ec]BL[2352]
(;W[ff]WL[888]
;B[ge]BL[2320]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, high risk plan
Finnish8d [-\]: alright, b just wants this so much
]
;W[he]WL[854]
;B[gf]BL[2319]
;W[hf]WL[852]
;B[gg]BL[2317]
;W[df]WL[851]
;B[jg]BL[2064]
;W[hg]WL[837]
;B[gh]BL[2055]
;W[hh]WL[834]
;B[gi]BL[2052]
(;W[jh]WL[714]
;B[kh]BL[1988]
;W[ji]WL[610]
;B[ke]BL[1972]
;W[ld]WL[526]LB[mc:A][hd:B][lq:C]C[Tien [9d?\]: A instead for life
Tien [9d?\]: Seems white wants to attack, but that's impossible
Tien [9d?\]: As long as B is there
Tien [9d?\]: Get sente to play C and white has gained
]
;B[hi]BL[1958]
;W[ig]WL[374]C[Finnish8d [-\]: players are thinking about fighting itself too much
Tien [9d?\]: ...This one I cannot even describe
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;B[kg]BL[1955]
;W[ki]WL[373]
;B[mh]BL[1931]
;W[li]WL[350]C[Tien [9d?\]: Doesn't look worth it in the end
Tien [9d?\]: (No surprise)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;B[mc]BL[1905]
;W[nd]WL[331]
;B[mb]BL[1850]
;W[nf]WL[168]
;B[ng]BL[1838]
;W[og]WL[570]
;B[mf]BL[1826]
;W[ne]WL[559]
;B[mi]BL[1762]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so it is pretty negative now
]
;W[mj]WL[544]
;B[nj]BL[1760]
(;W[mk]WL[516]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, get it, probably double hane instead?
]
;B[nk]BL[1721]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just want to see who gets sente
Tien [9d?\]: In the game, these black pushes are too goo
Finnish8d [-\]: so here b took away w potential
Tien [9d?\]: White loses his right-side territory
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[ml]WL[501]
;B[nl]BL[1705]
;W[mm]WL[498]
;B[oh]BL[1501]
;W[op]WL[366]LB[pp:A][lq:C][qq:B]C[Tien [9d?\]: And this one costs white, too
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Probably A-B-C instead, still
]
;B[mr]BL[1485]C[Tien [9d?\]: I guess with this, black is back to having an advantage
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[hd]WL[296]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...
Mokki [3d\]: is this really necessary?
Finnish8d [-\]: nope ^^
Mokki [3d\]: maybe insgtead of P4 play M3
Tien [9d?\]: There's so much I don't understand now, too
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, recap
]
;B[pi]BL[1330]
;W[qi]WL[290]
;B[fb]BL[1266]
;W[hb]WL[276]
;B[ia]BL[1242]
;W[gb]WL[230]
;B[pj]BL[1131]
;W[pl]WL[193]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b lives in sente?
]
;B[pk]BL[1107]
;W[qk]WL[192]LB[kq:C][oq:B][mr:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: still, ok
Tien [9d?\]: There's got to be something on the lower side
Tien [9d?\]: Something better, I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: with just N2.
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Tien [9d?\]: Feels like A was better at B, though
Tien [9d?\]: Then C here would be good enough
Tien [9d?\]: But what then?
Finnish8d [-\]: if b is behind
Finnish8d [-\]: then has to do something there
]
(;B[gn]BL[1083]C[Tien [9d?\]: So is this enough, then?
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe I'm actually not sure
Finnish8d [-\]: but b this one is not the biggest
Tien [9d?\]: White has 60 at best
Tien [9d?\]: No, white still ahead
]
;W[fn]WL[162]
;B[fm]BL[1079]
;W[en]WL[157]
;B[em]BL[1042]
;W[go]WL[156]
;B[hn]BL[1032]
;W[ik]WL[149]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
]
;B[jr]BL[1005]
;W[ir]WL[127]
;B[jq]BL[996]
;W[jp]WL[126]
;B[jm]BL[935]C[Finnish8d [-\]: both believes centre is big
]
(;W[kp]WL[116]
;B[ii]BL[923]
;W[ih]WL[109]
;B[jk]BL[815]
;W[jj]WL[96]
;B[kk]BL[805]
;W[lk]WL[45]
;B[od]BL[791]
;W[of]WL[28]
;B[ij]BL[790]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah 
Finnish8d [-\]: this centre is big, yes
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, with that, black can win
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Winning move :)
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Tien [9d?\]: Alright, to the final one
]
;W[kr]WL[26]
;B[ho]BL[757]
;W[hp]WL[597]
;B[eo]BL[725]
;W[fo]WL[596]
;B[do]BL[697]
;W[ep]WL[595]
;B[rh]BL[689]
;W[ro]WL[580]
;B[rp]BL[680]
;W[rn]WL[579]
;B[sj]BL[624]
;W[sk]WL[572]
;B[si]BL[606]
;W[rj]WL[564]
;B[kn]BL[518]
;W[ol]WL[525]
;B[nm]BL[475]
;W[mn]WL[523]
;B[ok]BL[433]
;W[lf]WL[512]
;B[mg]BL[410]
;W[kf]WL[501]
;B[jf]BL[407]
;W[kd]WL[500]
;B[id]BL[388]
;W[fa]WL[491]
;B[gc]BL[372]
;W[je]WL[484]
;B[if]BL[360]
;W[fc]WL[483]
;B[eb]BL[339]
;W[sp]WL[444]
;B[sq]BL[333]
;W[so]WL[443]
;B[rr]BL[329]
;W[oq]WL[437]
;B[or]BL[327]
;W[pp]WL[437]
;B[pr]BL[321]
;W[ph]WL[415]
;B[ka]BL[274]
;W[la]WL[293]
;B[ja]BL[271]
;W[lc]WL[292]
;B[jc]BL[249]
;W[ma]WL[290]
;B[pf]BL[225]
;W[oe]WL[270]
;B[nb]BL[197]
;W[na]WL[258]
;B[oa]BL[195]
;W[io]WL[559]
;B[rl]BL[166]
;W[rk]WL[434]
;B[ql]BL[132]
;W[on]WL[381]
;B[om]BL[123]
;W[pm]WL[380]
;B[nn]BL[114]
;W[mo]WL[379]
;B[in]BL[34]
;W[kl]WL[368]
;B[jl]BL[18]
;W[lq]WL[220]
;B[ak]BL[599]
;W[bi]WL[213]
;B[lr]BL[550]
;W[ls]WL[189]
;B[ms]BL[539]
;W[ks]WL[188]
;B[mq]BL[501]
;W[mp]WL[185]
;B[eh]BL[455]
;W[ad]WL[147]
;B[ca]BL[454]
;W[fg]WL[124]
;B[fh]BL[451]
;W[eg]WL[84]
;B[jo]BL[420]
;W[ip]WL[68]
;B[lo]BL[409]
;W[ln]WL[64]
;B[ko]BL[388]
;W[km]WL[63]
;B[jn]BL[373]
;W[lp]WL[61]
;B[an]BL[359]
;W[ao]WL[57]
;B[aj]BL[319]
;W[ai]WL[50]
;B[al]BL[300]
;W[ri]WL[35]
;B[sh]BL[248]
;W[pg]WL[33]
;B[ea]BL[227]
;W[pd]WL[29]
;B[pe]BL[225]
;W[ae]WL[18]
;B[ga]BL[203]
;W[ha]WL[17]
;B[no]BL[194]
;W[gm]WL[510]
;B[gl]BL[179]
;W[am]WL[464]
;B[dm]BL[175]
;W[an]WL[461]
;B[fa]BL[167]
;W[gc]WL[459]
;B[ke]BL[158]
;W[oi]WL[439]
;B[nh]BL[156]
;W[je]WL[438]
;B[cp]BL[137]
;W[bp]WL[432]
;B[ke]BL[598]
;W[cl]WL[428]
;B[cm]BL[596]
;W[je]WL[427]
;B[cq]BL[594]
;W[bq]WL[426]
;B[ke]BL[593]
;W[rq]WL[403]
;B[qq]BL[591]
;W[je]WL[402]
;B[cr]BL[584]
;W[br]WL[401]
;B[ke]BL[584]
;W[sr]WL[399]
;B[rq]BL[582]
;W[je]WL[394]
;B[er]BL[572]
;W[bs]WL[384]
;B[ke]BL[570]
;W[np]WL[315]
;B[je]BL[556]
;W[sm]WL[299]
;B[ac]BL[544]
;W[pf]WL[278]
;B[pd]BL[539]
;W[sl]WL[277]
;B[ob]BL[534]
;W[lj]WL[272]
;B[lh]BL[532]
;W[me]WL[270]
;B[nc]BL[530]
;W[lg]WL[268]
;B[md]BL[523]
;W[oo]WL[265]
;B[kj]BL[519]
;W[]WL[258]
;B[]BL[515]
;W[]WL[600]
;TW[af][bf][cf][ag][bg][cg][dg][ah][bh][ll][ql][rl][lm][qm][rm][sn][ap][cp][gp][aq][cq][dq][eq][fq][gq][hq][jq][kq][ar][cr][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][jr][as][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js]TB[aa][da][pa][qa][ra][sa][bb][cb][jb][pb][qb][sb][cc][rc][sc][rd][sd][se][sf][sg][fi][ni][oi][dj][ej][fj][gj][hj][oj][dk][fk][gk][hk][ik][cl][dl][el][fl][hl][il][gm][hm][im][nr][qr][sr][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[Tien [9d?\]: Black, 3+5
Tien [9d?\]: Nothing else seems to have happened
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: I think this mystery is solved with that
]OS[Agzam][BAM0][Bohdan][CRANoiEk][EasyRider][Gardan][Hami][JeffChang][Juippi][Kettu][Kyumato][Laman][Lepakko][M15][Migel][Mikgo][Nimerib][Nogravity][Oni][Ootakamoku][Roln][Ryokan][SAIGOTO][Skeletor][Treble][Tsoy][Y1209k6783][YliGo][andrey87][antei][apini32][artem9212][baldur][basilika][breakfast][breeze][dmitry65][enaskil][goantti][guta57][hegethus][igrok][itoyo][joachim][katutosi][kermit81][korde][mdcl][mienai][mtczq][n2671san][nakedstone][nikudima][orillon][pndlamer89][sattva][yamada5][yuoo])
(;W[jl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right, just defend
Finnish8d [-\]: so w has to defend the shape
Tien [9d?\]: Then now big anymore
Tien [9d?\]: *not
]))
(;B[ir]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now I'd like to do something like this :)
Tien [9d?\]: Or h3, but it looks risky
Finnish8d [-\]: this is also risky I feel like :P
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe, right
])
(;B[gq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so risk must be taken
Tien [9d?\]: Close eyes and pray?
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
]
;W[gp]
(;B[hq]
;W[ip]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so do your J2 then
Tien [9d?\]: Probably possible
]
;B[dr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is risky, but risk is inevitable
])
(;B[ir]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or this, yeah
])))
(;W[nk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: looks good yes
Tien [9d?\]: M10 for now doesn't do so much
Finnish8d [-\]: w has to do this
]))
(;W[ii]C[Finnish8d [-\]: to me this is fine to w
Tien [9d?\]: And kosumi here
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, white is fine
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]))
(;W[gf]C[Tien [9d?\]: Isn't this fine?
Tien [9d?\]: I guess it's a bit risky still
Finnish8d [-\]: obviously w worried about D14
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, not
]))
(;W[nc]C[Tien [9d?\]: This should be more interesting, or?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
Finnish8d [-\]: right shape
]
;B[nb]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[od]
;B[oa]
;W[mc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Etc, looks easier for white than the game
]))
(;W[hq]C[Tien [9d?\]: This one, no?
Tien [9d?\]: Should be comfortable territory like this
Finnish8d [-\]: so you mean if L3 is b sente?
Tien [9d?\]: A bit like that, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]))
(;B[hq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Thanks
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
]))
(;W[dc])
(;W[bb]C[Kettu [?\]: just anti moyo plan?
Tien [9d?\]: So it had to be like this?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah you mean where w did wrong?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, wondering
Finnish8d [-\]: to me it was that F17
Tien [9d?\]: Aha
]))
(;W[df]C[Tien [9d?\]: You want like this?
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd just C7
])
(;W[cm]
;B[ef]
(;W[fd]
;B[bd])
(;W[fc]
;B[bd]
;W[cc]
;B[di]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[eq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, ok
Tien [9d?\]: Give black whatever he wants
Tien [9d?\]: Simple enough
Finnish8d [-\]: because it is not a good one that he wants :D
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
])))
(;B[pd]BL[3598]C[Black:
 Dmytro Jacenko
White: Mikko Siukola
Tien [9d?\]: How about Jeff?
Finnish8d [-\]: I am here sure
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
]
;W[dp]WL[3568]C[Tien [9d?\]: Alright, gave you the control
]
;B[pq]BL[3593]
;W[dc]WL[3525]
;B[de]BL[3545]
;W[po]WL[3384]
;B[oo]BL[3535]
;W[on]WL[3357]
;B[op]BL[3530]
;W[pm]WL[3344]
;B[nn]BL[3527]
;W[nm]WL[3337]
;B[mn]BL[3526]
(;W[jq]WL[3276]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just f3 or so immediately
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Or right side approach
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this feels too close to b wall
]
;B[cc]BL[3505]
;W[mp]WL[3263]C[Kettu [?\]: i guess i wanted to n4 too much
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, in the end it doesn't still really bother black
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe I see
Mokki [3d\]: why do you want N4? :P
Tien [9d?\]: It's not like you can cut nex
Tien [9d?\]: *next
]
;B[mq]BL[3415]
;W[lq]WL[3071]
;B[nq]BL[3406]
;W[cb]WL[3067]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, if black answers, then white is good
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah w gains here a bit
]
;B[cd]BL[3402]
;W[eb]WL[3061]
;B[ci]BL[3397]
(;W[lp]WL[3031]C[Kettu [?\]: i immediately regretted M4
Tien [9d?\]: Right, too early
]
;B[fc]BL[3201]C[Kettu [?\]: looks good
]
;W[ed]WL[3007]
;B[gd]BL[3194]
(;W[fe]WL[2989]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This shape is too loose
]
;B[ge]BL[3110]
;W[ff]WL[2986]
;B[dg]BL[3100]C[Kettu [?\]: i didn't like this at all, but i didn't like anything at all here
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [9d\]: The problem with F15 is that
Kettu [?\]: all the time i thought M4 should be on the upper side :)
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe, you should just let it be
Namii [9d\]: white is trying hard not to help black's D15's shape
Tien [9d?\]: Make do with whatever you have
Namii [9d\]: but in the end, white needs to help his own shape, too
Tien [9d?\]: Pincer is a must, I guess
Tien [9d?\]: L16 or so
]
(;W[fh]WL[2955]C[Kettu [?\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: Next move is a bit difficult
]
;B[hg]BL[3057]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
Finnish8d [-\]: b is so aggressive ^^
Namii [9d\]: Why is black playing these illusionary punches?
]
;W[jd]WL[2947]C[Namii [9d\]: Black wants white to go to the top side, so black can attack it
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah exactly
]
;B[ie]BL[2942]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but then he played here :P
Tien [9d?\]: Wait, k16...
Tien [9d?\]: Isn't black n17 good again?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
Tien [9d?\]: Or n16, maybe
Namii [9d\]: Yeah that would be logical with H13
Tien [9d?\]: Now white will get o17 again
]
;W[hc]WL[2941]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just wondering if white has a better option to k16
Kettu [?\]: i have no idea why i didn't o17
Tien [9d?\]: Like, n17 for example
Namii [9d\]: This exchange seems a bit early
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, o17 would be so good
Kettu [?\]: looking at it now, it's so obvious it makes me cry
Namii [9d\]: and b may tenuki
Namii [9d\]: Hmm, shouldn't tenuki
Finnish8d [-\]: without this H17, w corner can live with the left side cutting point
Finnish8d [-\]: after this, w cannot live locally
Finnish8d [-\]: so this exchange shouldn't be done
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: especially, b won't play around here to live small anyway
Tien [9d?\]: Unnecessary early exchange
Kettu [?\]: true
]
;B[fb]BL[2934]C[Namii [9d\]: Shouldn't white by all means continue with N17 or O17 next
Namii [9d\]: But yeah, in the process white hurts the F14 group
Tien [9d?\]: It's just that h17 is not good
Tien [9d?\]: I think we can go forward, here
Namii [9d\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[gi]WL[2924]C[Tien [9d?\]: F18 is good anyway
Namii [9d\]: Ah, now M17 is too good
Namii [9d\]: Or do you want to play the high attack?
Namii [9d\]: I guess that's better
Namii [9d\]: I'd imagine white played this move to damage black's shape while improving white's own shape, but then the tenuki to G11 is a bit puzzling
]
;B[ld]BL[2917]C[Tien [9d?\]: Sabaki time, then
]
;W[je]WL[2905]
;B[id]BL[2902]
;W[jc]WL[2864]C[Namii [9d\]: Weird
Finnish8d [-\]: b is funny :P
Finnish8d [-\]: to push that
Namii [9d\]: That must be good for white..
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]
;B[jf]BL[2789]
;W[lc]WL[2716]
;B[mc]BL[2680]C[Tien [9d?\]: Under hane instead?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah you want to do that
]
(;W[md]WL[2706]C[Finnish8d [-\]: well let's see this first maybe
]
;B[lb]BL[2666]
;W[kc]WL[2701]
;B[nc]BL[2664]
;W[kf]WL[2650]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, ok
Tien [9d?\]: About the same
Tien [9d?\]: Still fine to white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[jg]BL[2657]
;W[le]WL[2618]C[Tien [9d?\]: Very fine
]
;B[nd]BL[2648]
;W[me]WL[2599]
;B[ji]BL[2551]C[Namii [9d\]: K9 doesn't seem to have power anymore
Finnish8d [-\]: the cap is not fine :P
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, black lives already
Namii [9d\]: Maybe extend on the right side?
Tien [9d?\]: R11 or so, you mean?
Tien [9d?\]: Seems good
Namii [9d\]: Something like that
Kettu [?\]: :) i was trying to make M4 still work somehow
Kettu [?\]: with the cap
Tien [9d?\]: Ah
Finnish8d [-\]: aha
Finnish8d [-\]: so still, similar to the last game
Finnish8d [-\]: attitude towards earlier mistake ^^
Namii [9d\]: Maybe a bit farfetched
Finnish8d [-\]: admit it, or fix it?
Tien [9d?\]: Well, I could see it working
Namii [9d\]: Needs conditions A, B, C, and D to make it work
Namii [9d\]: :D
Tien [9d?\]: But I still wouldn't pick it
Namii [9d\]: So a tough road
Kettu [?\]: i don't know if it is good, but i think K9 is one of the more interesting moves i played in this game
Tien [9d?\]: R11 is profit now, k9 is maybe profit later
Namii [9d\]: Right
Kettu [?\]: now, how to combine interesting with good :)
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I guess it is interesting
Namii [9d\]: I think the central area is too open, and black's group is too stable
Namii [9d\]: so K9 is a bit risky
]
(;W[jk]WL[2524]
;B[jm]BL[2441]C[Namii [9d\]: K7...
Tien [9d?\]: Now it's totally ok :)
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Tien [9d?\]: Black fought back
Namii [9d\]: Black has a funny logic :P
]
(;W[dj]WL[2398]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hehe, eastern European logic
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[cj]BL[2413]
;W[dl]WL[2392]
;B[mm]BL[2156]
;W[nl]WL[2381]
;B[ml]BL[2153]
(;W[mk]WL[2344]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Namii [9d\]: What the heck
Finnish8d [-\]: why hane?
Kettu [?\]: all i was trying here was sente for R14
Kettu [?\]: i thought he can't cut
Namii [9d\]: But he will, because he is eastern european
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Namii [9d\]: (Oh, he didn't)
Finnish8d [-\]: not about that, here b has to cut, right?
Namii [9d\]: I'd cut
Namii [9d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: no other way to go
Tien [9d?\]: Cut first, think later
Namii [9d\]: Then O8 shape has liberty problems
Tien [9d?\]: White has so few liberties
]
;B[lk]BL[2148]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah and he really didn't
Namii [9d\]: Yeah
Namii [9d\]: I am not following black's plan here
]
;W[lj]WL[2273]C[Kettu [?\]: :D
Namii [9d\]: Double-hane? :P
Namii [9d\]: now black gets O9 + P9
Tien [9d?\]: Back to cutting, then
Namii [9d\]: white's shape is ruined
]
;B[kk]BL[2108]C[Namii [9d\]: ..... :D
Tien [9d?\]: Well, o5 is there too
Kettu [?\]: all according to keikaku
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, first we cut, then we think about o5
]
;W[mj]WL[2186]
;B[kj]BL[2075]
;W[qf]WL[2172]C[Kettu [?\]: anyways, i wouldn't play like this without O5 obviously
Namii [9d\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Finally, nice for white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this is way too good ^^
Namii [9d\]: Isn't it better to extend at R11 or so
Tien [9d?\]: I'd go for r14 too
Finnish8d [-\]: maybe R12 is better
Tien [9d?\]: The white group has no weaknesses whatsoever
Namii [9d\]: After black S16, P14?
Namii [9d\]: Or something
Tien [9d?\]: Q12
Namii [9d\]: I see
Namii [9d\]: My thinking is that after R11 (or R12), if black tenukis white can still take S16 or something
]
(;B[re]BL[2064]
;W[qe]WL[2161]
;B[rd]BL[2020]C[Namii [9d\]: or hmm, maybe still even
]
;W[qd]WL[2152]
;B[qc]BL[2015]
(;W[rf]WL[2151]
;B[hq]BL[1951]C[Finnish8d [-\]: well so b agrees that w has the right side
Tien [9d?\]: I'll be out for 5min, sorry
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok get it
]
(;W[hp]WL[2094]
;B[gp]BL[1946]C[Namii [9d\]: Hmm. I am thinking that F14 is not alive yet
Tien [9d?\]: Well, maybe go forward?
]
;W[ip]WL[2090]C[Kettu [?\]: i force him to later, in the stupidest way
Namii [9d\]: And C3 may be sente
]
;B[fq]BL[1942]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so b is easily getting stronger in this way
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
]
(;W[eq]WL[1992]
;B[gn]BL[1931]
;W[hn]WL[1967]
;B[hm]BL[1922]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok nice
Finnish8d [-\]: I will need Antti's help :P
Finnish8d [-\]: cos I don't quite understand this area 
]
;W[gm]WL[1962]C[Tien [9d?\]: And back
]
;B[fn]BL[1890]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, like this
]
;W[fp]WL[1806]
;B[gq]BL[1857]
;W[im]WL[1777]C[Tien [9d?\]: Against h3, I want to do f3 :)
]
;B[dn]BL[1435]
;W[hl]WL[1760]
;B[cq]BL[1396]
;W[cp]WL[1688]
;B[er]BL[1391]
;W[dq]WL[1621]
;B[dr]BL[1388]
;W[cr]WL[1620]
;B[br]BL[1371]
;W[bq]WL[1617]
;B[cs]BL[1369]
;W[cn]WL[1590]
;B[cq]BL[1347]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w wins like this, already :P
Tien [9d?\]: Seems like it, yes
Tien [9d?\]: The outside thickness is nice
]
(;W[bo]WL[1468]
;B[qn]BL[1323]
;W[pn]WL[1449]
;B[qo]BL[1319]
;W[qm]WL[1438]
;B[pp]BL[1318]
(;W[kh]WL[1378]
;B[kg]BL[1287]C[Kettu [?\]: this gets awful soon
]
;W[ki]WL[1319]
;B[lg]BL[1256]C[Finnish8d [-\]: L11 cannot be right :P
]
;W[mh]WL[1302]
;B[mg]BL[1234]
;W[nh]WL[1183]
;B[ng]BL[1217]
;W[kb]WL[1113]
;B[pg]BL[1108]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, ouch
Finnish8d [-\]: So all L11's fault
]
;W[qh]WL[1084]
;B[ph]BL[1100]
;W[pi]WL[1049]
;B[rm]BL[1081]
;W[rl]WL[1045]
;B[rn]BL[1078]
;W[qk]WL[1035]
;B[mb]BL[1054]
;W[of]WL[946]
;B[og]BL[1012]C[Tien [9d?\]: But otherwise, white's l17 doesn't live
]
;W[oe]WL[927]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, it really did lose everything
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, impossible anyway
]
;B[jj]BL[549]C[Tien [9d?\]: Though I guess it's impossible
]
(;W[ir]WL[851]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'd try to kill the centre black now
Kettu [?\]: if even this is only 1,5 points loss...
]
;B[fs]BL[542]
;W[pc]WL[766]
;B[qb]BL[533]
;W[od]WL[746]
;B[pb]BL[524]
;W[oc]WL[745]
;B[ob]BL[522]
;W[bk]WL[652]
;B[ck]BL[513]
;W[bl]WL[648]
;B[ik]BL[490]
;W[ah]WL[604]
;B[bh]BL[486]
;W[aj]WL[598]
;B[ag]BL[483]
;W[ai]WL[591]
;B[bf]BL[480]
;W[bc]WL[550]
;B[bd]BL[477]
;W[ac]WL[544]
;B[qg]BL[472]
;W[rg]WL[476]
;B[jn]BL[425]
;W[hr]WL[397]
;B[gr]BL[421]
;W[hk]WL[354]
;B[mr]BL[273]
;W[lr]WL[337]
;B[oi]BL[212]
;W[pj]WL[323]
;B[oh]BL[192]
;W[oj]WL[271]
;B[ib]BL[167]
;W[ic]WL[264]
;B[hb]BL[159]
;W[ne]WL[245]
;B[dk]BL[112]
;W[cr]WL[218]C[Tien [9d?\]: So nothing more happens, then?
Finnish8d [-\]: seems like b played a bit too optimistic in yose
Finnish8d [-\]: w got most of the big stuffs
Finnish8d [-\]: in this case
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, but probably we can still call l11 the losing move
]
;B[ds]BL[583]
;W[jl]WL[163]
;B[kl]BL[574]
;W[il]WL[162]
;B[ni]BL[554]
;W[mi]WL[144]
;B[hi]BL[429]
;W[hj]WL[112]
;B[ko]BL[340]
;W[ho]WL[76]
;B[cm]BL[293]
;W[cl]WL[60]
;B[go]BL[177]
;W[ii]WL[9]
;B[lh]BL[162]
;W[li]WL[540]
;B[ea]BL[83]
;W[db]WL[517]
;B[gc]BL[78]
;W[jh]WL[485]
;B[ig]BL[51]
;W[hh]WL[476]
;B[dm]BL[45]
;W[bm]WL[474]
;B[cq]BL[37]
;W[ar]WL[469]
;B[ej]BL[35]
;W[dh]WL[449]
;B[eg]BL[34]
;W[gf]WL[448]
;B[hf]BL[31]
;W[hd]WL[446]
;B[he]BL[30]
;W[di]WL[415]
;B[ch]BL[25]
;W[ei]WL[398]
;B[ek]BL[16]
;W[ja]WL[389]
;B[ia]BL[14]
;W[ef]WL[380]
;B[df]BL[13]
;W[cr]WL[378]
;B[bs]BL[12]
;W[ms]WL[374]
;B[ns]BL[11]
;W[ls]WL[374]
;B[nj]BL[8]
;W[nk]WL[372]
;B[do]BL[5]
;W[co]WL[355]
;B[kp]BL[587]
;W[lo]WL[345]
;B[ln]BL[583]
;W[kq]WL[343]
;B[pf]BL[570]
;W[pe]WL[336]
;B[lf]BL[559]
;W[ke]WL[305]
;B[ad]BL[547]
;W[bb]WL[300]
;B[hs]BL[544]
;W[is]WL[285]
;B[iq]BL[529]
;W[jo]WL[125]
;B[kn]BL[516]
;W[jr]WL[575]
;B[jp]BL[507]
;W[ks]WL[571]
;B[eo]BL[486]
;W[ep]WL[565]
;B[in]BL[429]
;W[se]WL[544]
;B[sc]BL[424]
;W[np]WL[533]
;B[or]BL[421]
;W[fm]WL[471]
;B[io]BL[409]
;W[hm]WL[470]
;B[fk]BL[386]
;W[fo]WL[450]
;B[gs]BL[379]
;W[ij]WL[441]
;B[sl]BL[361]
;W[sk]WL[438]
;B[sm]BL[359]
;W[la]WL[402]
;B[ma]BL[356]
;W[da]WL[397]
;B[fa]BL[345]
;W[gg]WL[337]
;B[ka]BL[330]
;W[jb]WL[330]
;B[bj]BL[326]
;W[el]WL[298]
;B[en]BL[324]
;W[ih]WL[264]
;B[cq]BL[307]
;W[la]WL[252]
;B[cr]BL[304]
;W[ka]WL[246]
;B[fj]BL[599]
;W[fi]WL[241]
;B[no]BL[596]
;W[sf]WL[234]
;B[sd]BL[594]
;W[dd]WL[215]
;B[bi]BL[590]
;W[ak]WL[214]
;B[as]BL[588]
;W[aq]WL[212]
;B[mo]BL[587]
;W[ee]WL[203]
;B[gk]BL[586]
;W[gj]WL[202]
;B[fl]BL[585]
;W[em]WL[599]
;B[eh]BL[580]
;W[fg]WL[598]
;B[fd]BL[579]
;W[ec]WL[597]
;B[mf]BL[577]
;W[nf]WL[590]
;B[]BL[569]
;W[]WL[559]
;B[]BL[569]
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(;W[jh]C[Tien [9d?\]: With k10, anyway
]))
(;W[of]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not sure if white has enough anymore
Tien [9d?\]: S7 is such big endgame
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Kettu [?\]: i messed this area beyond all recognition, and still only lost by 1,5 points
Finnish8d [-\]: seems still fine for w though
Kettu [?\]: i think white has to have enough
Kettu [?\]: if no mess-up
Finnish8d [-\]: I just have roughly counted
Kettu [?\]: agreed
Finnish8d [-\]: I think w wins in this way
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Finnish8d [-\]: not by big margain but safe
Tien [9d?\]: I'm not 100% sure
Tien [9d?\]: But anyway, has to be this way
]
;B[rm]
;W[rl]
;B[rn]
;W[qk]C[Tien [9d?\]: B8 for sure
]
;B[lh]
;W[mh]C[Tien [9d?\]: That's black's later, anyway
]
;B[bl]C[Tien [9d?\]: B17?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I am just counting :P
Tien [9d?\]: Ok :)
Tien [9d?\]: The left side white group can probably get 15-20 in total
Tien [9d?\]: At best
Tien [9d?\]: Including l3 area
Finnish8d [-\]: actually a close one
Tien [9d?\]: 35-40 on the right
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Less than 65 for white
Finnish8d [-\]: that is around the number b has
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: With sente, white may be good
Tien [9d?\]: But it's hard to say
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah slightly optimistic
Finnish8d [-\]: but alright, I guess this game we may finish here?
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, next game?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, I'll do Assu's
]))
(;W[of]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I may just announce victory this way, here 
Finnish8d [-\]: left will not die even if w tenuki
Kettu [?\]: it looks good, i though also B5 gave pretty much a winning position
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
]))
(;W[dr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling is to take the corner in this way, while taking b base
Finnish8d [-\]: since after b gets out
Finnish8d [-\]: with like G6
Finnish8d [-\]: w can hardly attack anymore
Finnish8d [-\]: then in this way, w has the corner
Finnish8d [-\]: with kick, w doesn't have it yet
Kettu [?\]: just watch :D
]))
(;W[io]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if w wants to seperate
Finnish8d [-\]: feels like w shouldn't have touched the one single stone there
Kettu [?\]: it does indeed
])
(;W[fq]C[Namii [9d\]: J4 then, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: if w can sure
]
;B[ip]C[Tien [9d?\]: Easy life
Finnish8d [-\]: I know
Tien [9d?\]: L2
Finnish8d [-\]: but seems like w wants to attack this b stone
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, that's impossible
Namii [9d\]: Is it 'want' or 'need'?
Finnish8d [-\]: I think it is a want
Tien [9d?\]: Doesn't look like "need" yet
Kettu [?\]: me too
Finnish8d [-\]: w is in a good situation it seems like
Namii [9d\]: Yeah the right side is sizy
]
;W[kr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so ok
Tien [9d?\]: Black will find it difficult to get even 50 points
Finnish8d [-\]: just live like this then
Namii [9d\]: C3 or something next?
Namii [9d\]: White will feel a bit floaty after that
Finnish8d [-\]: b may have to do something on the right
Tien [9d?\]: It looks like that, yes
Tien [9d?\]: And if he cannot, it's a white win
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[rc]
;B[rb]C[Namii [9d\]: cut at S17 first?
]
;W[pc]
;B[qb]
;W[qh]C[Namii [9d\]: this seems like better suji ^^
Kettu [?\]: hmm
Namii [9d\]: By the way, I have to leave for NGA lecture in 10 mins :)
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't think w can defend the whole left side, with S14
Finnish8d [-\]: ah sure ^^
]))
(;B[rd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or tenuki :)
Namii [9d\]: and if black answers, white will take C9 or something
Namii [9d\]: maybe F4
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah probably you want to tenuki
Finnish8d [-\]: or I'd prefer R12
Namii [9d\]: Ah, tenuki is interesting
Tien [9d?\]: F4 or so
Tien [9d?\]: That's huge
Namii [9d\]: Right, and necessary now that black became strong at K7
Kettu [?\]: i might just defend and think i was winning
Namii [9d\]: black H3 would be severe
Namii [9d\]: or F3
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(;W[ph])
(;W[fq])
(;W[fp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Namii [9d\]: Right this board favors whiet
])))
(;W[nk]TR[nk][ml][nl][mm]C[Namii [9d\]: Anyway, if white extends, those pushes benefited white
Finnish8d [-\]: and
Namii [9d\]: I mean, the center is an illusion
Kettu [?\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: Definitely bad exchanges
Finnish8d [-\]: those exchanges, w should feel grateful :P
Kettu [?\]: it just made me feel greedy
Namii [9d\]: Actually in go, this happens a lot
Namii [9d\]: the opponent tells you "I'm going to build a big center"
Namii [9d\]: and you listen to his words
Namii [9d\]: but you should listen to the stones instead
Kettu [?\]: :)
Namii [9d\]: Psychological warfare :P
]))
(;W[hk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that'd be nice shape
Tien [9d?\]: If white can force black to play o5, white has benefited
Finnish8d [-\]: w is enhancing his top left group
Finnish8d [-\]: so this is also enhancing, and helping the K9 stone
Finnish8d [-\]: in the game it is the similar intention, but pays
Finnish8d [-\]: the D10 move in the game, I mean
Tien [9d?\]: Right, that's not something you'd like to play
]))
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(;W[kf]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, you want to do that
Finnish8d [-\]: I am thinking about to make H17 a bit meaningful
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Tien [9d?\]: But black can live anytime, anyway
Tien [9d?\]: H18 for unconditional second eye
Finnish8d [-\]: true
])
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(;W[kd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe thanks
Finnish8d [-\]: I was thinking about where ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Black n17
]
;B[mc]
;W[id]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then out with kosumi
]
;B[hf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok simple way
Tien [9d?\]: Profit first, fight after :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^  ok
Tien [9d?\]: N17 is really big, anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: After l16, black h13 might be tempting, but white o17 would be too good
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, and white's corner is not really in that much danger
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]))
(;W[ee]
(;B[dg]
;W[eg]C[Mokki [3d\]: is G17 for white in reply to F17 bad here?
Tien [9d?\]: Usually e16 is preferred
Tien [9d?\]: G17 is just a sabaki measure
Mokki [3d\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: But in the early game, e16 is preferable for outside influence
Namii [9d\]: Maybe black should D14 instead of D13
Namii [9d\]: Since now the shape cries a bit
Finnish8d [-\]: ah just get to understand the question :P
Tien [9d?\]: It's not like the corner group is actually in trouble, with e16
])
(;B[df]
;W[ef]
;B[gf]
;W[eh]C[Namii [9d\]: Something along these lines, yes.
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: but w has to push out
Finnish8d [-\]: so to at least give b left side some pressure, so b has to answer
])))
(;W[gd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Isn't r14 still biggest?
Kettu [?\]: yeah, i wanted this
])
(;W[qf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right this is bigger
]))
(;W[mm]
;B[ln]C[Tien [9d?\]: What's n6 :)
]
;W[gq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe never seen it before, so thinking :P
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd play like this I guess
Tien [9d?\]: I wouldn't do the push
])
(;W[fq])))
