(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
GN[Pandanet European Team Championships 2013,]DT[2013-11-19]RO[3]PC[IGS-PandaNet]C[Tien [9d?\]: Phew, just in time :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Registration list was empty apart from us, let's see what happens
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure, I am afraid there won't be many :P
Tien [9d?\]: Since we have no reason to expect anybody immediately, I guess we can start
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I guess it's fine, we'll provide the offline file anyway
Namii [9d\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Guess we need to coerce the players in more hardly next time
Tien [9d?\]: Will Jeff do Juri's game first?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Tien [9d?\]: It's the second one
]RE[W+Resign]
(;B[qd]C[Black: Csaba Mero
White: Antti Törmänen]
;W[dc]
;B[cp]
;W[pq]
;B[ce]
;W[qo]
;B[iq]
;W[ci]
;B[fe]
;W[gc]
;B[ck]C[Finnish8d [-\]: In this
Tien [9d?\]: White is fine here, it's a normal game
Mokki [3d\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Nothing was decided yet
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, now I'm getting interesting ideas, finally
Tien [9d?\]: E3
Mokki [3d\]: E5 to me looks like a funny move
]
(;W[io]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, a bit too experimental
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Finnish8d [-\]: I didn't understand it in the game
Tien [9d?\]: L3 was the other idea, but black had clearly planned to do j5 then
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: But even then, that's fine
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
]
(;B[kp]
;W[ep]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'd considered black g4 and l4 as answers
Tien [9d?\]: If black plays either of them, I think white is playable
Tien [9d?\]: But the real problem is, what if black answers at e4
]
;B[eo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so here you didn't hane
Finnish8d [-\]: for C3 later?
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;W[hq]
;B[fp]
;W[jq]
;B[jp]
;W[ip]
;B[ir]C[Tien [9d?\]: According to my judgment, this seemed good enough
]
(;W[eq]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'll agree this is simpler
Tien [9d?\]: And seems good enough
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah good enough, my point ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Let's see the game result, I don't remember anymore completely
Finnish8d [-\]: this I cannot see anything clearly
Tien [9d?\]: In the game, I thought it fine
]
;B[hr]
;W[fq]
;B[fo]
;W[gp]
;B[gr]
;W[gq]
;B[dp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, not good enough
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, yours is better, this is bad
Finnish8d [-\]: mainly b got that G2
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: And there was no way about it
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;W[kr]C[Tien [9d?\]: Got it, so black d2 was too early
Tien [9d?\]: That's why it got back to equal
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: does this work?
Tien [9d?\]: You want to resist m3?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, and you will sacrifice to get outside?
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: I thought it good enough
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Tien [9d?\]: Play out the sequence, just inc ase :)
Finnish8d [-\]: I am actually considering if it is fine
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Mokki [3d\]: can you show the sequence? :)
]
(;B[kq]
;W[lr]
;B[jr]
;W[go]
(;B[dr]C[Tien [9d?\]: If black plays p3 now, I think black is good
]
;W[mq]
;B[mp]
;W[jn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so b kept missing the important part
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, definitely
]
;B[kn]
;W[jl]
;B[km]
(;W[jm]C[Tien [9d?\]: In the game, I disliked l8-k9
]
;B[lk]C[Tien [9d?\]: But that's no matter anyway
]
(;W[od]
;B[hd]
(;W[gd]
;B[ge]
;W[he]
;B[jd]
;W[hf]
;B[hc]
;W[hb]
;B[jc]C[Tien [9d?\]: I guess p16 is too much, anyway
]
(;W[fg]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just jump to k10 instead
]
;B[ec]
;W[de]
;B[df]
;W[cd]
;B[ee]
;W[dd]
;B[eg]C[Tien [9d?\]: I think black resisted too much here
Tien [9d?\]: Should  have captured the three
Tien [9d?\]: That's where white started getting an edge
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah I was about to ask if b should say fine
Tien [9d?\]: Mero syndrome :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;W[eb]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
(;B[bf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So at least not this
]
;W[cg]
;B[cf]
;W[eh]
;B[bd]
;W[bc]
;B[fh]
;W[gg]
;B[bb]
;W[ad]
;B[ae]
;W[be]
;B[ei]
;W[dh]
;B[bd]
;W[ac]
;B[cb]
;W[ed]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I understand that ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Ko threats, yes
Tien [9d?\]: But still...
Finnish8d [-\]: he fixes ko threats before the ko
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah you do too ^^
]
;B[ef]
;W[be]
;B[bg]
;W[fi]C[Tien [9d?\]: And e14, just no idea
]
;B[bd]
(;W[cc]C[Tien [9d?\]: G12, please
Tien [9d?\]: Even if black lives, it's gote
]
;B[gh]C[Tien [9d?\]: To c17
]
;W[hh]
;B[gi]
;W[fj]
;B[hi]
;W[ii]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wait, what
Tien [9d?\]: Back
]
;B[gk]
;W[ej]
;B[ih]
;W[hg]
;B[ij]
;W[ji]
;B[jj]
;W[ki]
;B[kj]
;W[jg]
;B[dj]
;W[di]
;B[el]
;W[bk]
;B[bl]
;W[bj]
;B[ek]
;W[bh]
;B[hn]C[Tien [9d?\]: More or less a one-way street, I guess
Tien [9d?\]: The problem is that a11 is still worth endgame
Tien [9d?\]: So black definitely gained
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah and seems fine since it is w sente
Tien [9d?\]: Well, there's that
Finnish8d [-\]: A11
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok get it
Tien [9d?\]: I wasn't actually sure if black is unconditionally dead
Tien [9d?\]: That's really hard to read
Tien [9d?\]: In byo-yomi, too
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: to me b is just dead there
Tien [9d?\]: But can white for example connect at e11
Finnish8d [-\]: and in fact I was looking at G8 all the time too :P
Tien [9d?\]: Or are those three dead
Finnish8d [-\]: but I didn't see anything there
Tien [9d?\]: G8 doesn't work, sadly :)
Finnish8d [-\]: right ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Played it as a time move for myself
Finnish8d [-\]: aha, so the audience was right
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah cos I have checked that
Tien [9d?\]: It was a cool idea though
Finnish8d [-\]: during the game I mean
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Csaba didn't, seems like
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, let's hurry forward
]
;W[ld]
;B[ib]
;W[gb]
;B[lb]
;W[qc]
;B[li]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[id]
;B[ic]
;W[lf]
;B[mc]
;W[nb]
;B[oc]
;W[pc]
;B[nd]
;W[nc]
;B[oe]
;W[md]
;B[pd]
;W[ob]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]
;B[jf]
;W[lh]
;B[ie]
;W[qh]C[Tien [9d?\]: I guess this is more or less fine for white
Tien [9d?\]: Getting m12 is cool
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah ok, I understand you both around here ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Righty
]
;B[rc]
;W[rb]
;B[qb]
;W[pb]
;B[sb]
;W[ra]
;B[qf]
;W[pk]C[Tien [9d?\]: It seems like black must invade now
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Otherwise white wins on points
]
;B[np]
;W[oq]
;B[re]
;W[pm]C[Tien [9d?\]: In the game, black was too confident about the win
Tien [9d?\]: (I think black thought he was winning)
]
;B[ai]C[Finnish8d [-\]: He did ^^
]
;W[ah]
;B[al]
;W[dg]
;B[ph]
;W[qi]
;B[ol]
;W[om]
;B[nm]
;W[gl]
;B[fk]
;W[gn]
(;B[hm]
;W[hl]
(;B[gm]
;W[fm]
;B[fl]
;W[do]
;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[dn]
;W[im]C[Black resigns.])
(;B[ho]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just black h8 instead
Tien [9d?\]: Then that's it
Tien [9d?\]: G7?
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, hmm
Tien [9d?\]: A bit tougher
Tien [9d?\]: J6
]
;W[in]C[Tien [9d?\]: J8 instead is maybe something
]
(;B[fm]
;W[gm]
;B[il]C[Tien [9d?\]: What?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah nvm
])
(;B[gm]C[Tien [9d?\]: But then d5 may still be a problem
]
;W[fm]
;B[fl]
;W[do]
;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[dn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Lives now
]
;W[im]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...Does it?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it idoes
Tien [9d?\]: That's odd :)
Tien [9d?\]: No?
Tien [9d?\]: F6
]
;B[fn]
;W[dm]
;B[cn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Tien [9d?\]: Has to depend on c8
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok this is funny ^^
Tien [9d?\]: But maybe it does live, just about
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, but black h9 kills
Tien [9d?\]: No, dead then :)
Finnish8d [-\]: it is dead yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Funny
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, next game maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: I'll take for now?
Tien [9d?\]: Righty
Finnish8d [-\]: and back to you now 
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])))
(;B[hl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah even easier ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]))
(;W[gh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah this is like over
Tien [9d?\]: Definitely
]
;B[cc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, that's too easy :)
]
;W[be]
;B[fd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just capture, whatever
]
(;W[fc]
;B[bd]C[Tien [9d?\]: D18
]
;W[id]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, ok :)
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Tien [9d?\]: Like that, anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't want to back up either
Tien [9d?\]: Over in 20 moves
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;W[af]
;B[fc]
;W[db]
;B[fb]C[Tien [9d?\]: F17, yes
Tien [9d?\]: I think f17
])))
(;B[fh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Definitely
]))
(;W[jj]C[Tien [9d?\]: There was a chance everything could become hard here
Tien [9d?\]: Instead of p16, I mean
]))
(;W[jj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Oh
Tien [9d?\]: Still two earlier
Finnish8d [-\]: so
]))
(;W[jj]C[Mokki [3d\]: looks natural
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah I think this is honte
Tien [9d?\]: Key point of the board
Tien [9d?\]: Now black h16 is nothing
Tien [9d?\]: White can just take the territory
]))
(;W[hk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Considered this too, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: this was one I thought last Tuesday
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, it's better
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Alrighty
Finnish8d [-\]: so in those internet games
Tien [9d?\]: Forward
Tien [9d?\]: I become "stiff", it seems like
Finnish8d [-\]: ''like' became a dominating factor, again
Finnish8d [-\]: just thinking ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Looks like it
]))
(;B[oq]
;W[mq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: you have to fight back right?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Looks tough
Tien [9d?\]: Or feels dangerous, at least
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: I think you did nothing wrong here
Tien [9d?\]: Black p4 now, maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: G5 is good
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, g5 has to be played
]
;B[op]
;W[mo]C[Tien [9d?\]: P6
]
(;B[kn])
(;B[on]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not sure if I'm asking for too much :)
]
;W[kn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this did surprise me :P
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Would actually have to read black m5 out beforehand
Tien [9d?\]: Well, let's continue
Tien [9d?\]: I don't think this important
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
])))
(;B[lq]
;W[lr]
;B[mr]
;W[mq]
;B[nr]
(;W[lp]
;B[kq]
;W[ko]
;B[jr]
;W[jo]
;B[jq]C[Tien [9d?\]: O3 first, I think
Finnish8d [-\]: sure, right
])
(;W[nq]
;B[or]
;W[lp]
;B[kq]
;W[ko]
;B[jr]
;W[jo]
;B[jq]
;W[oq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that
Finnish8d [-\]: i have to say I don't know :P
Tien [9d?\]: The cut is annoying, but hmm
Tien [9d?\]: Black's territory is considerable too
Finnish8d [-\]: cos I may pick this b ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, you may be right
Mokki [3d\]: to me b Q10 just looks fine
Tien [9d?\]: I guess this could be a game
Finnish8d [-\]: Mokki: yeah
]
;B[pj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe just a bit uncomfortable to white
Tien [9d?\]: P16, please
]
(;W[oc]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'd like high
])
(;W[od]
;B[pf]
(;W[qc]C[Tien [9d?\]: D6 next
]
(;B[pc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that
])
(;B[rc]
;W[pc]
;B[re]C[Tien [9d?\]: AFter q14, maybe tenuki
]
;W[ld]))
(;W[dn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Finnish8d [-\]: and game starts from here ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Keep challenging actively
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe black e8 is too good an answer, though
Tien [9d?\]: So perhaps just white e11 instead for now
Tien [9d?\]: Anyway, back to game :)
])
(;W[ei])))))
(;W[fq]
;B[eq]
;W[jr]C[Tien [9d?\]: This I didn't like
Finnish8d [-\]: and this is not happy enough?
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Just that black can get l2 and l3 in sente later
Finnish8d [-\]: but that is no big deal right?
Tien [9d?\]: And that shape around e4 feels a bit too good
Finnish8d [-\]: your shimari is for that kind of ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, of course
Tien [9d?\]: The real problem is, I feel white has to play m3 at some point, now
Tien [9d?\]: And that's the real thing I dislike
Tien [9d?\]: (Much later in the game, of course)
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe I'm overthinking though :)
Tien [9d?\]: Mainly, it's that e4 shape I don't like
Finnish8d [-\]: to me you did ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: cos I won't even consider those
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Alright
]))
(;B[ep]C[Tien [9d?\]: This'd be annoying
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe ask c3 and try something else
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Finnish8d [-\]: then J5 may not be a good idea in general
Tien [9d?\]: Would you have played l3 as white earlier?
Tien [9d?\]: Right, that's what I figured when I thought more about it
Mokki [3d\]: so is the C11 pincer that good?
]
;W[jq]
;B[jr]
;W[ir]C[Tien [9d?\]: No way white can play this sabaki now
Tien [9d?\]: Then e4 becomes perfect, no?
Finnish8d [-\]: but no other shape
Tien [9d?\]: Exactly
]))
(;W[eq]
;B[dq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Kosumi
Tien [9d?\]: No no, kosumi instead
]
(;W[do])
(;W[fp]
;B[dn]
;W[dr]
;B[cr]C[Tien [9d?\]: D2, e6
]
(;W[dp]
;B[cq]C[Tien [9d?\]: I think e6 comes first
])
(;W[en]C[Finnish8d [-\]: not possible you get all what you want :P
Mokki [3d\]: so now B plays M3 ?
Tien [9d?\]: Of course not :)
Tien [9d?\]: So please resist
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki, got to prevent d7
Mokki [3d\]: why?
Tien [9d?\]: d7 c6 e7 b8 otherwise gives white somewhat too good centre thickness
Tien [9d?\]: In sente, even
Mokki [3d\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Imagine black d7 now, and the white group is still weak
Tien [9d?\]: Profit + attacking potential is better than one tenuki
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah 
Tien [9d?\]: If Jeff cannot find an obvious way to resist here, I guess this could be a game
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Of course, if d7 now...
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I didn't see anything directly yet
Tien [9d?\]: l3 j5 g6 then, right?
]
;B[dm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe exchanging d4-c3 first
]
;W[kq]
;B[io]
(;W[gn])
(;W[dp]
;B[cq]
;W[gn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Looks just about perfect :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: so impossible to answer like this if I were b
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, back to game
Finnish8d [-\]: but let's move on
])))))
(;B[pd]BL[3571]C[Black: Juri Kuronen
White: Pal Balogh
]
;W[dp]WL[3586]
;B[pq]BL[3557]
;W[dd]WL[3581]
;B[fq]BL[3538]
;W[cn]WL[3552]
;B[ip]BL[3532]
;W[po]WL[3547]
;B[oo]BL[3168]
;W[on]WL[3177]
;B[op]BL[3165]
;W[pn]WL[3176]
;B[qp]BL[3135]
;W[mn]WL[3173]
;B[lp]BL[3095]C[Namii [9d\]: I am not so familiar with Q5 and the continuations
Namii [9d\]: I expected R5, of course :D
Finnish8d [-\]: You did perfectly so far ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, nice, we have plenty of audience
Kettu [4d\]: hello
Tien [9d?\]: Hello there, welcome in
Finnish8d [-\]: This reminds me about the Congress game Antti vs Debarre
snowman [-\]: cheers
Tien [9d?\]: We just started, from Juri's first
Werfeus [5d\]: buna seara
Finnish8d [-\]: and with C6 there, b is pretty comfortable
Tien [9d?\]: (Since he has to leave at 8 PM)
Tien [9d?\]: Well, I don't mind white here either
Tien [9d?\]: Of course it's still even
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
]
;W[qf]WL[2464]
;B[nc]BL[3090]
;W[of]WL[2455]
;B[rd]BL[3016]C[snowman [-\]: pal likes that kind of white shape
Namii [9d\]: Pal likes centers, generally
Tien [9d?\]: P14's more odd though
Tien [9d?\]: I guess I'd have q11
Finnish8d [-\]: w has to fix the gap
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[pp]WL[2397]
;B[oq]BL[3005]
;W[rp]WL[2360]
;B[qq]BL[3001]
;W[md]WL[2295]
;B[mc]BL[2985]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, right, it's Pal
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Play honte against him and losing is quite hard :)
Finnish8d [-\]: Personally I prefer to push up, so there is nothing in the corner
Finnish8d [-\]: but I guess push is not wrong
]
;W[ld]WL[2274]
;B[kc]BL[2838]C[Namii [9d\]: I did not think there was so much aji here
Tien [9d?\]: Jeff: This is more like you vs. me when I returned from Japan :)
Namii [9d\]: I didn't want to push once more with M17 to help his center, and I disliked the lowness of L18
Tien [9d?\]: That Takapotku game
Namii [9d\]: so in the end I went for this jump directly
Finnish8d [-\]: Tien: yeah I remember that ^^
Namii [9d\]: that's my justification for it, although I understand your comments in the NGA review :P
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^   
Tien [9d?\]: L18'd be the shape then, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: now I look back on this shape
Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, I'll push once more
Namii [9d\]: Right. Perhaps now I would choose L18
Finnish8d [-\]: mainly b can hardly go O15 in the future
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, that's a negative part, you're right
Finnish8d [-\]: so w is still a complete shape, and from this sense b is giving w more influence
Namii [9d\]: I think I played this move quite fast
Finnish8d [-\]: about L17, well I'd do L18, but I cannot tell exactly what is the problem on this shape
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah you did
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;W[ko]WL[2232]
;B[kp]BL[2831]C[Tien [9d?\]: The game will continue, and nothing has been decided
]
;W[jo]WL[2227]
;B[jp]BL[2798]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[pj]WL[2176]
;B[km]BL[2576]C[Finnish8d [-\]: And well, this is the first that I don't understand
Tien [9d?\]: And then, after all, white goes only back to q10
Finnish8d [-\]: to me S6 is way too big
Namii [9d\]: Tien: Right, very surprising
Tien [9d?\]: Right, same feeling
Namii [9d\]: Ah, to me S6 is aji keshi :D
Tien [9d?\]: I'd never want to touch that white right side
Tien [9d?\]: It's so tiny
Namii [9d\]: I thought I can choose the timing to take it, and it's always sente
Namii [9d\]: I was still playing around with the idea of invading with R12 in case Pal chooses to overcommit to his center
Tien [9d?\]: I guess tenuki is good too
Finnish8d [-\]: as w I want to get it now
Tien [9d?\]: Say, c14
Namii [9d\]: in that case, avoiding the S6 exchaneg makes sense
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah tenuki is an option
Namii [9d\]: and L7 is simply an internet move, because the opponent is Pal Balogh
Tien [9d?\]: ... :D
Namii [9d\]: but I also wanted the ladder for C14 c12 e14 f16 d12 
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok?
Finnish8d [-\]: I just don't understand the logic behind it
snowman [-\]: :)
snowman [-\]: there's none
Namii [9d\]: I don't think there is any
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok?
Finnish8d [-\]: alright so guess I have to move on
Tien [9d?\]: White is happy to get m5, I guess
Namii [9d\]: Pal likes the center, I am poking at what he likes
Finnish8d [-\]: normally in my lessons with my students, if the answer is 'there is none', that is not allowed :P
Namii [9d\]: but yeah this move was silly
]
;W[lo]WL[1870]
;B[cf]BL[2538]
;W[dh]WL[1732]
;B[ef]BL[2358]
;W[fd]WL[1717]C[Namii [9d\]: And here one more jump to G14
Finnish8d [-\]: And here
Tien [9d?\]: What, f16?
Finnish8d [-\]: I stil insist G14 is the direction
]
(;B[bd]BL[2352]
;W[cc]WL[1714]
;B[bh]BL[2351]
;W[eg]WL[1713]C[Tien [9d?\]: With that centre, you cannot play usual joseki without thinking
Finnish8d [-\]: This is pretty hard to answer, because of b top side shape
Namii [9d\]: I still didn't find out how to concentrate fully on these internet games
Namii [9d\]: so many silly moves and slips
Namii [9d\]: you can also see many of those by white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that I can understand ^^  When I play online games, my level is also lower than normal
Namii [9d\]: no justification for L7, B16 and L17 :P
Namii [9d\]: just mistakes
]
;B[dg]BL[2045]
;W[ch]WL[1671]
;B[bg]BL[2043]
;W[ff]WL[1669]
(;B[cj]BL[2039]C[Finnish8d [-\]: About this
Finnish8d [-\]: during my watching I was wondering if b should do E12 first
Finnish8d [-\]: but
Finnish8d [-\]: that's my doubt on b this keima directly
]
(;W[fg]WL[1625]C[Namii [9d\]: I wanted sente for sure
Finnish8d [-\]: since w connected here, fine then :P
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know
Tien [9d?\]: Not sure if white e12 is good enough
Finnish8d [-\]: me too, just 
Tien [9d?\]: I'd try d10 instead
Namii [9d\]: Right, maybe better to cut first
Finnish8d [-\]: since w connects here though, I think your choice is right ^^
]
;B[kd]BL[1929]C[Namii [9d\]: This L16 is again silliness, but luckily I got back on track soon :P
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe right
Finnish8d [-\]: I didn't understand this push at all
Finnish8d [-\]: Still S6 is way too big
Tien [9d?\]: What's wrong with it?
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know why it is aji keshi to you :P
Tien [9d?\]: Not sure I get the problem
Finnish8d [-\]: you mena L16?
Namii [9d\]: I kind of wanted to prevent a clear connection from M16 to F14
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: mean*
Finnish8d [-\]: well, b has a stone at L7
Finnish8d [-\]: logically b shouldn't give it more pressure
Finnish8d [-\]: instead b should do things directly in the centre, if not S6
Tien [9d?\]: I'd like white l15 and black m17 here
Tien [9d?\]: Sente fix
Namii [9d\]: In this game, for a special reason, I withheld S6 because I planned to invade to R12
Tien [9d?\]: And no easy next move for white, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: if it is sente
Finnish8d [-\]: but I don't think it is
Tien [9d?\]: If it's not sente, then the centre is more open
Tien [9d?\]: I might be fine with that too
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[ke]WL[1590]
;B[je]BL[1926]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So basically Antti is saying, this is the real problematic move ^^
Namii [9d\]: If you K14, I'll J15
Tien [9d?\]: I feel kind of bad at this point of white gets to push l16 and k16
Tien [9d?\]: That's why I'd like l16 for black
Namii [9d\]: Tien: Yeah, I wanted to prevent that
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[kf]WL[1522]C[Namii [9d\]: Tien: good opint
Namii [9d\]: I didn't even consider it
]
;B[qh]BL[1851]C[Namii [9d\]: So now the interesting (and byo-yomi'ish) part
Tien [9d?\]: But I guess r12 is off for sure
Tien [9d?\]: Byo-yomi already?
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Namii [9d\]: Soon
Tien [9d?\]: What did you use that 60 minutes on?
Namii [9d\]: Pal is at < 10 minutes
Namii [9d\]: I think
Namii [9d\]: or < 15
Finnish8d [-\]: I think Namii is always ahead on time
Namii [9d\]: Yeah I had at least 10 mins more
Finnish8d [-\]: but I just don't understand why this R12 invasion
Tien [9d?\]: White r15, thank you?
Finnish8d [-\]: just becaue I have invaded you at the same spot in the past?
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
]
;W[qe]WL[1449]C[Finnish8d [-\]: That's what happened
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
]
;B[oh]BL[1798]C[Namii [9d\]: I felt like fighting
Namii [9d\]: Whole game long, I wanted to deny Pal his "Pal's center"
Finnish8d [-\]: that's fine
Namii [9d\]: that's the only reason, I guess
Namii [9d\]: meta level
Finnish8d [-\]: but better to be a more reasonable one ^^
Tien [9d?\]: R16, thank  you again :)
]
;W[qd]WL[1447]
;B[qc]BL[1797]
;W[rc]WL[1431]
;B[rb]BL[1788]
;W[pc]WL[1429]
;B[qb]BL[1787]
;W[od]WL[1425]
;B[pb]BL[1783]
(;W[qi]WL[1384]C[Tien [9d?\]: More like o11, right?
]
(;B[oj]BL[1778]
(;W[oi]WL[1356]
;B[ni]BL[1775]
;W[pi]WL[1356]
;B[pk]BL[1486]
;W[qk]WL[850]C[Namii [9d\]: hehe
Mokki [3d\]: N10 blacks weak point here?
]
(;B[ok]BL[1434]C[Namii [9d\]: so S6 instead of Q9
Namii [9d\]: was your suggestion
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, interesting
Tien [9d?\]: I like that
Namii [9d\]: but I somehow preferred making shape in the center
Tien [9d?\]: This isn't shape :)
Tien [9d?\]: N8 instead?
]
;W[qm]WL[706]C[Tien [9d?\]: Directly n8
]
(;B[mk]BL[1321]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wait, really?
Namii [9d\]: I read your suggestion about S6 too ^^
Namii [9d\]: I didn't consider it in the game
Tien [9d?\]: I'm not sure white p11 is correct
Tien [9d?\]: Give me n10 instead
Namii [9d\]: Yeah let's analyse this
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki, that's one, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: I am quite sure this is too heavy
Tien [9d?\]: N11 could be annoying too
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
(;W[ic]WL[565]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
]
;B[jb]BL[1278]
;W[dr]WL[539]C[Namii [9d\]: I was aiming at the O6 cut, that's why I played those solid shapes
Tien [9d?\]: Uh, what?
Finnish8d [-\]: w logic is always quite simple
Finnish8d [-\]: he cannot kill the centre
Namii [9d\]: but I guess faster is better
Finnish8d [-\]: so alright, points to win
Mokki [3d\]: K18 looks like a mistake. does not simply pushing and cutting work?
Tien [9d?\]: ...That's impossible, right?
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki, yes, it can be cut
Finnish8d [-\]: it is, but w is doing so, I can understand how he thinks ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Black trades that for endgame at h18, because black had no other good shape
Tien [9d?\]: Otherwise white has the annoying move at m18
Namii [9d\]: Black has to fix the cut at M17
Tien [9d?\]: And that, too
Namii [9d\]: Or that
]
;B[ql]BL[1189]
;W[rl]WL[516]
;B[pl]BL[1185]
;W[rj]WL[502]
;B[kk]BL[945]C[Namii [9d\]: Anyway, here's the follow up to N9 etc
Tien [9d?\]: K18 is the correct move in that shape, usually
Namii [9d\]: I thought the game was looking good after I got such a strong shape in the center
Namii [9d\]: but maybe my points situation is not so good after all :P
Tien [9d?\]: I think black is good
Tien [9d?\]: White lost everything on the right for no big compensation
Mokki [3d\]: B17 looks huge
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe instead of white j17, play l9?
Namii [9d\]: I was already thinking how to play the yose after white defends the cut at O6, but then whtie let me cut
]
;W[ib]WL[495]
;B[nn]BL[916]C[Namii [9d\]: Now for my master plan
Tien [9d?\]: I can throw some stones for this variation in the official review file
Tien [9d?\]: (White l9, I mean)
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
]
;W[nm]WL[461]
;B[no]BL[915]
;W[mm]WL[337]
;B[pm]BL[907]
;W[rn]WL[307]
;B[om]BL[906]
;W[io]WL[270]
;B[do]BL[901]
;W[co]WL[266]
;B[ep]BL[900]
;W[dq]WL[265]
;B[hm]BL[712]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, nice
Finnish8d [-\]: To me it should have been done here
Namii [9d\]: White should be in the bag, but I made some critical misreads :>
Tien [9d?\]: So far, looking still like a game over
]
;W[go]WL[231]
;B[fn]BL[702]
;W[im]WL[179]
(;B[il]BL[668]
;W[gq]WL[125]
;B[hp]BL[600]
;W[gn]WL[116]
;B[in]BL[570]
;W[ho]WL[88]
;B[gp]BL[419]
;W[fo]WL[81]
;B[eo]BL[389]C[Tien [9d?\]: Let's say I don't want to kill :)
Namii [9d\]: you made a misread here too, Jeff
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Tien [9d?\]: I want to strengthen black and get sente
Namii [9d\]: oh, "cannot die"
Namii [9d\]: ok :)
]
;W[gm]WL[36]
;B[dm]BL[367]
;W[hk]WL[17]
(;B[hl]BL[337]C[Namii [9d\]: Oh, yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: that's big
Tien [9d?\]: I don't get h8, really :)
Finnish8d [-\]: so b is playing in the middle way :P
Mokki [3d\]: points points :P
Namii [9d\]: hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Looks like an "automatic" move
Finnish8d [-\]: I know probably Namii doesn't want to kill
Namii [9d\]: Capture H9 big
Finnish8d [-\]: but he doesn't want to let it go easily either
Namii [9d\]: take away Pal's center for myself
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]
;W[gl]WL[15]
;B[gk]BL[336]
;W[dn]WL[14]
;B[en]BL[326]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
]
;W[fp]WL[13]
;B[eq]BL[325]
;W[em]WL[11]C[Tien [9d?\]: C7 instead of h8?
]
;B[gr]BL[282]
;W[el]WL[8]
(;B[cl]BL[248]
;W[hj]WL[6]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, maybe c8 too
Tien [9d?\]: I dislike white b9 now, jsut :)
Tien [9d?\]: *just
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [9d\]: I don't think there's anything to comment here since black already chose to H8 and cut
Tien [9d?\]: But I guess we have solved the mystery here?
Namii [9d\]: so let's just go on :P
Tien [9d?\]: Now it's more like a close game, but black wins
]
;B[gj]BL[220]C[Namii [9d\]: or well, it's byo-yomi madness now
Namii [9d\]: so maybe stop here
Namii [9d\]: taking a lot of time :D
]
;W[dk]WL[321]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Well, there was the ko though
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah ok
Namii [9d\]: Main mistakes already came up
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe we should check there's nothing bad there
]
;B[hi]BL[177]
;W[ij]WL[283]
;B[ii]BL[520]
;W[jj]WL[233]
;B[ej]BL[489]
;W[dj]WL[206]
;B[ji]BL[366]
;W[kj]WL[200]
;B[lj]BL[365]
;W[ki]WL[156]
;B[kh]BL[364]
;W[li]WL[154]
;B[lh]BL[364]C[Tien [9d?\]: And it's a one-step ko anyway
]
(;W[mi]WL[132]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah okay, white has no threats
]
;B[mh]BL[363]
;W[nj]WL[72]
;B[nh]BL[362]
;W[mj]WL[56]
;B[nk]BL[359]
;W[lk]WL[55]
;B[ll]BL[355]
;W[ml]WL[41]
;B[lj]BL[351]
;W[hq]WL[23]
;B[hr]BL[340]
;W[lk]WL[22]
;B[qo]BL[334]
;W[qn]WL[19]
;B[lj]BL[334]
;W[be]WL[16]
;B[jk]BL[314]C[Namii [9d\]: if white plays at N10 instead of N11, I can N11
Namii [9d\]: so it's a ko
]
;W[ci]WL[14]
;B[bi]BL[307]
;W[ck]WL[12]
;B[ce]BL[304]
;W[bc]WL[12]
;B[ae]BL[286]
;W[cd]WL[10]
;B[bf]BL[285]
;W[bj]WL[9]
;B[ph]BL[204]
;W[rh]WL[6]
;B[ro]BL[201]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, this is done for sure
]
;W[so]WL[5]C[Tien [9d?\]: Later, black needed to get s3
Namii [9d\]: anyway, white lpayed the moves in byo-yomi, I had time to think
Tien [9d?\]: Letting white get there was like minus eight points
]
;B[oc]BL[185]
;W[ac]WL[4]C[Namii [9d\]: Right, s3 is silly
]
;B[ad]BL[183]
;W[re]WL[2]
;B[oe]BL[179]C[Namii [9d\]: I talked with Jeff about it
Tien [9d?\]: Ok :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, let's move on
]
;W[nf]WL[574]
;B[ne]BL[166]
;W[mf]WL[568]
;B[sc]BL[511]
;W[rq]WL[548]C[Namii [9d\]: but I think we should move to other games now, I need to plan the NGA lecture
]
;B[rr]BL[489]
;W[sr]WL[547]
;B[qs]BL[486]
;W[er]WL[514]
;B[ee]BL[404]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;W[fr]WL[497]
;B[iq]BL[403]
;W[fe]WL[497]
;B[ia]BL[390]
;W[ha]WL[495]
;B[ja]BL[390]
;W[gb]WL[483]
;B[jd]BL[387]C[Tien [9d?\]: Mine next, maybe?
]
;W[nd]WL[471]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: Still Jeff's control then
]
;B[pe]BL[386]
;W[pf]WL[471]
;B[mo]BL[372]
;W[kn]WL[458]
;B[hd]BL[291]
;W[id]WL[454]
;B[he]BL[194]
;W[ie]WL[447]
;B[hf]BL[193]
;W[lc]WL[407]
;B[lb]BL[192]
;W[jf]WL[401]
;B[gc]BL[191]
;W[kb]WL[86]
;B[ka]BL[188]
;W[jc]WL[84]
;B[fc]BL[167]
;W[ec]WL[79]
;B[ed]BL[155]
;W[fb]WL[56]
;B[eb]BL[153]
;W[dc]WL[55]
;B[eh]BL[111]
;W[hg]WL[13]
;B[ig]BL[104]
;W[gg]WL[5]
;B[if]BL[93]
;W[gd]WL[2]
;B[hc]BL[91]
;W[hb]WL[1]
;B[fh]BL[84]
;W[mb]WL[596]
;B[nb]BL[82]
;W[kb]WL[593]
;B[kc]BL[599]
;W[gq]WL[590]
;B[hq]BL[598]
;W[kd]WL[566]
;B[ma]BL[597]
;W[kb]WL[557]
;B[la]BL[596]
;W[me]WL[548]
;B[pc]BL[595]
;W[jg]WL[546]
;B[ih]BL[593]
;W[ek]WL[533]
;B[ei]BL[590]
;W[fk]WL[527]
;B[ik]BL[586]
;W[fm]WL[525]
;B[gq]BL[584]
;W[fj]WL[524]
;B[fi]BL[583]
;W[jm]WL[524]
;B[nl]BL[581]
;W[ln]WL[522]
;B[hn]BL[580]
;W[jn]WL[519]
;B[se]BL[570]
;W[sf]WL[517]
;B[sd]BL[570]
;W[ai]WL[503]
;B[ah]BL[569]
;W[aj]WL[503]
;B[qg]BL[561]
;W[rg]WL[502]
;B[fs]BL[559]
;W[es]WL[480]
;B[gs]BL[559]
;W[di]WL[476]
;B[lg]BL[556]
;W[lf]WL[474]
;B[rs]BL[554]
;W[sn]WL[473]
;B[kc]BL[552]
;W[sp]WL[471]
;B[kb]BL[551]
;W[sq]WL[468]
;B[lm]BL[550]
;W[jl]WL[465]
;B[kl]BL[550]
;W[pg]WL[596]
;B[ss]BL[549]
;W[kg]WL[592]
;B[jh]BL[599]
;W[mg]WL[590]
;B[ng]BL[597]
;W[og]WL[589]
;B[de]BL[597]
;W[cg]WL[585]
;B[df]BL[597]
;W[]WL[583]
;B[]BL[596]
;W[]WL[583]
;TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][jd][je][le][rf][sg][sh][ri][si][cj][qj][sj][ak][bk][rk][sk][al][bl][cl][dl][fl][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][rm][sm][an][bn][ao][bo][ap][bp][cp][aq][bq][cq][ar][br][cr][as][bs][cs][ds]TB[na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][mb][ob][sb][rc][fd][gd][be][fe][ge][af][ff][gf][ag][eg][fg][gg][hg][gh][hh][gi][ki][li][mi][hj][ij][jj][kj][mj][nj][hk][lk][ol][mp][np][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps]C[Black wins by 19.5]OS[Alingo][Amuse][AriSan][BEN22][BRONSON][Bughunter][CHACHA][CNID][CRANoiEk][CROLiIcM][CRZGwcIo][CRkQwZbH][Cyx][Dudeok][EIji][Emanuel][Ericktos][FreddaSWE][FujiSan][GUDO][Gabi][Gardan][Goodbyeman][H195041][Howabout][Hwater][JML][JeffChang][Jirohachi][Jna][Juippi][KGonn][Kachnak][Keichan1][Kettu][Kinki][Koldun][Kyumato][Laman][Lepakko][Linux][Lukan][M15][MATSUO][MONKEY][Michikusa][Mikgo][Morziloeil][Nighthawk][Nilatarion][Nogravity][OferZivo][OlympusX][Oni][Paris][Procyon][QuickTime][RBerenguel][RobinSwe][Roln][SVYATOGOR][Scoun][SelfEnergy][Sige][Skeletor][Snekoma][Tasako123][Veedee][YamashitaT][Yotekomo][Zebrfis8][abliu][adavies][ajbj][aobam][as22][ayano][baldur][betterlife][c7][chablaguy][daiana03][diver][doctor1147][dreammaker][enaskil][feste][fuha][g746534][gen110][gluglu][goking][gotou27][greuceanu][hegethus][helmeri][hhelen][hhy1688][hiroT][hmieshiro][hokkaimasa][igomadness][im11744202][iseijin][jbx][jhjun][jiigo][jituse][junmei][k58961367][k94221072][kare][kb][kensin2011][keronnpa][kiobama][ko22][ko381218][komitu][kornacker2][koro5075][koutyan][lesli][liudentist][lyndia][manocska][masako2069][michealc][mikun][morph][moyoman][mtrubnikov][mystyle][nanrey][nate][nellab][nmi][pempu][potentilla][prodi][pupukani][quetzy][r0907792][racman][redfire][robyd75][ryu23][ryuujim][s8271936][saitann][sasakuma][sawara123][seiichirou][sennbei][seo4][serafimb][ss13][ssk1673][surugari][t1934][tacoma][taigerguzu][tamtam2][tatu20][tetusi2][todo3][tudorus][turbid][tyam][tymak][u0106534][vilzu][xiaziqiang][xjapan2525][yo6266][yoshidtu][yukinko][yumix][zzbham])
(;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[lk]
;B[ll]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;B[hj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, now got why white gets back in the game
Tien [9d?\]: That left-side shape is too good
Tien [9d?\]: Almost minus ten black points or so
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: can b just atari here and go to yose then?
Mokki [3d\]: does W C8 make B17 sente?
Finnish8d [-\]: to me this is bigger because of the K16 cut
Tien [9d?\]: H10 is just about enough
Tien [9d?\]: Mokki, probably
Tien [9d?\]: At least in the sense that getting b17 in sente is too big
Tien [9d?\]: Basically, black b8 and b17 are amiai here
Tien [9d?\]: -a
]))
(;B[cm]C[Namii [9d\]: But yeah, surely C7
]))
(;B[hn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, yeah, m8 is nice
]
(;W[jm]C[Namii [9d\]: Or something like that, yes
]
;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[jk]
;W[ho]
;B[em]C[Namii [9d\]: I was concerned about the aji at M8 etc
Finnish8d [-\]: This is what I showed last week
Finnish8d [-\]: then it is over
Tien [9d?\]: Jeff, how about, say, l8 instead of k7
]
;W[gq]
;B[fr]C[Namii [9d\]: white m8 instead of h5?
Tien [9d?\]: Feels just a bit dangerous
])
(;W[kl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe never thought about it :P
Namii [9d\]: This is not that easy for black either
]
;B[ll]C[Tien [9d?\]: I guess black m8 manages this though
Namii [9d\]: I chose J8 block for overall central shape
Tien [9d?\]: If k8 now, then j6 for brute force
Namii [9d\]: hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so got to play k7 now, is it any different
Namii [9d\]: can I have ctr
Finnish8d [-\]: I didn't even think about K8
Tien [9d?\]: Probably not
]
;W[jm]
;B[il]C[Tien [9d?\]: To me, j8 in the game is fine
Tien [9d?\]: Black doesn't need to kill to win
Finnish8d [-\]: nope
Namii [9d\]: Jeff, can I have the ctrl
Tien [9d?\]: To try to kill is dangerous
Finnish8d [-\]: Antti can give it to you ^^
])
(;W[ll]
;B[kl]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Could be dangerous still
]
;W[kj]
(;B[li]C[Namii [9d\]: I didn't spend that much time reading all this
Tien [9d?\]: Now j8 should flee
]
;W[il]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I see
Namii [9d\]: and no ladder on K10
Mokki [3d\]: does b need to answet at M11?
Mokki [3d\]: *answer
])
(;B[il]
;W[li]
;B[mj]
;W[nl]C[Tien [9d?\]: It could be come a tough semeai with white m11 etc.
Tien [9d?\]: Well, probably black is fine
Namii [9d\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: But when you're leading, you maybe don't want to risk something like this
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Namii [9d\]: I thought that with the attack, black is already looking nice
Tien [9d?\]: Control back at Jeff
Namii [9d\]: so I chose strong shapes
Finnish8d [-\]: but in the game line, I think w cannot die
Tien [9d?\]: Namii, I'd agree
]))))
(;W[kk]C[Namii [9d\]: Tien: That was Jeff's suggestion
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, ok
Namii [9d\]: Yeah, I expected something like this too
Tien [9d?\]: Just, we want it in this file, too :)
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah exactly what I said in the review last week ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe, okay
Tien [9d?\]: Then black l10 and whatever for sabaki
Namii [9d\]: L10 or so to make shape, then
Tien [9d?\]: And white gets to use k16
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, w has to do that
Tien [9d?\]: If not, there's no game, I think
Finnish8d [-\]: it proves to be our thinking doesn't suit Pal though :P
Namii [9d\]: Right, I think R11 was a key mistake by white, and P11 the other
Finnish8d [-\]: and Pal was right at Namii, too :P
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: because it became a game later
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, let's see how that happened
]))
(;B[ml]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, ok, that's what happened
Namii [9d\]: No no
Finnish8d [-\]: This is Antti's suggestion right?
Finnish8d [-\]: no
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, no
Tien [9d?\]: No p9
]))
(;B[ml]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Aha ok ^^
Namii [9d\]: Funny :P
])
(;B[kj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not sure if optimal :)
Finnish8d [-\]: My feeling is this one
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, Jeff wants here, ok
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, ok, yours is better
Namii [9d\]: so perhaps my play was too heavy
]))
(;W[mj]C[Namii [9d\]: Q9 I guess
]
;B[ok]
;W[ql]C[Tien [9d?\]: N11 now, huh
]
;B[mi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah exactly ^^
Tien [9d?\]: And got to extend, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: you think 20 secs ahead of mine though :P
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]
;W[lj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so still pretty tough to b
Tien [9d?\]: I feel a bit scared as black here, too
Tien [9d?\]: Even if black lives, white s5 becomes close to perfect for later
Tien [9d?\]: And white can probably get k16 while attacking
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah K16 is w later
]))
(;B[ni]
;W[lj]C[Tien [9d?\]: And p10
]
;B[oj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I see
Namii [9d\]: so empty triangle then I guess
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[pi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: alright
]
;B[li]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now  it feels a bit more leisurely for black to me
Tien [9d?\]: Q9, double hane, etc can be sued
Tien [9d?\]: *used
Namii [9d\]: yep
Finnish8d [-\]: so b is making tigers directly for eyes
]))
(;W[ni]C[Namii [9d\]: Yeah R11 is weird
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: To me w should definitely do this
Finnish8d [-\]: then I feel very hard as b
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe try to sacrifice with r9
Tien [9d?\]: Still, not fun
Namii [9d\]: After white R11, the fight suddenly becomes good for black
]
;B[qk]C[Namii [9d\]: since P10 was excellent sabaki
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]))
(;W[eh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: well personally if w E12
Finnish8d [-\]: compare to 
]))
(;B[eh]
;W[fg]
;B[cj]
;W[ei]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this one
Finnish8d [-\]: I prefer this more as b
Tien [9d?\]: Due to the cutting aji, right
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;B[gf]C[Tien [9d?\]: Definitely
Namii [9d\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: I'd pick something else isntead of f16 as white
Tien [9d?\]: Say, f13
Finnish8d [-\]: aha
Finnish8d [-\]: Well w logic here is pretty simple
Finnish8d [-\]: he wants exactly the variation that happened in the game
Tien [9d?\]: "I'll just play joseki without thinking"
Finnish8d [-\]: so that ko thing is pretty annoying to b
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ^^
Namii [9d\]: I also played joseki without thinking :D
Tien [9d?\]: Of course
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that's the problem
]))
(;B[pd]BL[3582]C[Black: Rita Pocsai
White: Juuso Nyyssönen
]
;W[dp]WL[3596]
;B[pq]BL[3576]C[Tien [9d?\]: This is the one we already saw, too
Tien [9d?\]: Should be quick work
]
;W[dc]WL[3593]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[de]BL[3574]
;W[ce]WL[3540]
;B[cf]BL[3530]
;W[cd]WL[3537]
;B[dg]BL[3527]
;W[fc]WL[3522]
;B[ck]BL[3525]LB[dk:C][cn:A][fq:B]C[Tien [9d?\]: A-B-C instead feels more interesting to black
Tien [9d?\]: But oh well
]
;W[qo]WL[3499]
;B[cn]BL[3517]LB[fq:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: And A instead here, right?
Tien [9d?\]: At least direction-wise
Finnish8d [-\]: must be
]
;W[fq]WL[3492]
;B[pl]BL[3505]
;W[pn]WL[3468]
;B[np]BL[3371]
;W[rq]WL[3461]C[Tien [9d?\]: At this point, I'd call the game easy for white
Finnish8d [-\]: so w has a good life here
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Of course a long game still
]
;B[jq]BL[3366]
;W[bo]WL[3387]
;B[bn]BL[3317]
;W[co]WL[3384]
;B[en]BL[3304]
;W[qf]WL[3253]
;B[qh]BL[3299]
;W[nd]WL[3250]
;B[pf]BL[3291]
;W[pg]WL[3248]
;B[qg]BL[3286]
;W[pc]WL[3247]
;B[qe]BL[3280]
;W[qc]WL[3246]
(;B[lc]BL[3277]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, anyway
]
(;W[rf]WL[3244]
;B[re]BL[3275]
;W[of]WL[3243]
;B[pe]BL[3274]
;W[nb]WL[3218]
;B[ic]BL[3268]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, ok, no matter
]
(;W[gf]WL[3101]LB[hq:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Tien [9d?\]: But right, at least A here
Finnish8d [-\]: to me w is doing standard measure
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: A is way too big though :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
]
;B[hq]BL[3240]
;W[ie]WL[3088]C[Finnish8d [-\]: weird shape :P
Tien [9d?\]: Two valueless moves in the centre now
]
(;B[le]BL[3164]
;W[jd]WL[3006]C[Finnish8d [-\]: to me b did fine
]
;B[kb]BL[2859]
;W[jc]WL[2993]
;B[jb]BL[2856]
(;W[hb]WL[2992]
;B[ib]BL[2854]
;W[hc]WL[2899]
;B[mf]BL[2782]C[Tien [9d?\]: If black was behind earlier, I think she caught up now
Finnish8d [-\]: even again yes
]
;W[md]WL[2845]
;B[ld]BL[2778]
;W[oe]WL[2513]
;B[mb]BL[2769]
;W[od]WL[2508]
;B[fr]BL[2746]
;W[er]WL[2493]
;B[fp]BL[2743]
;W[eq]WL[2474]
(;B[fh]BL[2706]LB[gq:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: A instead, no?
Tien [9d?\]: Don't get this :)
Finnish8d [-\]: well I understand b ^^
]
(;W[hh]WL[2332]
;B[id]BL[2674]
;W[jf]WL[2325]
;B[jh]BL[2615]
;W[gh]WL[2236]
;B[fi]BL[2593]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, ok
Finnish8d [-\]: just H10
Tien [9d?\]: Seems like he'd want to pressure m16
Finnish8d [-\]: that group is not easy to attack anyway
Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, that's easier
]
(;W[lg]WL[2219]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I doubt about his keima M13 earilier
]
;B[mg]BL[2541]
(;W[lh]WL[2204]LB[jh:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wait, now A becomes kind of perfect
]
;B[mh]BL[2525]
;W[li]WL[2198]
;B[hj]BL[2503]C[Tien [9d?\]: Righty, this spot is kinda big
]
;W[oh]WL[2128]
;B[mi]BL[2316]
;W[lj]WL[2107]
;B[oi]BL[2309]
;W[ef]WL[2059]
;B[df]BL[2301]
;W[gp]WL[2011]
;B[gn]BL[2272]
;W[rl]WL[1956]
;B[ii]BL[2196]
;W[jg]WL[1944]
;B[hd]BL[2086]
;W[gd]WL[1940]
;B[rk]BL[2024]
(;W[rm]WL[1767]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hane is not possible?
]
;B[kk]BL[1932]
;W[lk]WL[1754]
;B[km]BL[1911]
;W[ph]WL[1630]
;B[pi]BL[1896]
;W[qi]WL[1629]
;B[rg]BL[1893]
;W[rh]WL[1613]
;B[sf]BL[1890]
;W[fo]WL[1453]
;B[fn]BL[1767]
;W[ho]WL[1300]
;B[gq]BL[1743]
;W[hp]WL[1287]
;B[in]BL[1684]
(;W[iq]WL[1263]
;B[ir]BL[1681]
;W[ip]WL[1263]
;B[kr]BL[1625]
;W[rd]WL[1224]
;B[qk]BL[1590]
;W[qr]WL[1214]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, s16 is actually big
Tien [9d?\]: Wasn't that white sente?
Tien [9d?\]: Black, I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: you mean
Finnish8d [-\]: b S17?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: ah yeah it is
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, then I think we've seen enough
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: If that kind of a free game won't turn the game, nothing will
Tien [9d?\]: Free gain, I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: So here it's simply white's play on the upper side?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah all those
Tien [9d?\]: And in the centre
]
;B[ao]BL[1582]
;W[ap]WL[1211]
;B[an]BL[1581]
;W[bp]WL[1148]
;B[pr]BL[1557]
;W[be]WL[1138]
;B[bf]BL[1526]
;W[af]WL[1136]
;B[ag]BL[1523]
;W[ae]WL[1135]
;B[bg]BL[1521]
;W[jj]WL[1105]
;B[jk]BL[1503]
;W[gr]WL[1034]
;B[hr]BL[1499]
;W[fs]WL[1032]
;B[fe]BL[1433]
;W[ge]WL[1022]
;B[jp]BL[1413]
;W[mo]WL[976]
;B[no]BL[1393]
;W[mn]WL[972]
;B[mp]BL[1199]
;W[ji]WL[903]
;B[ij]BL[1180]
;W[ih]WL[742]
;B[na]BL[1155]
;W[ob]WL[735]
;B[qp]BL[1122]
;W[rp]WL[732]
;B[on]BL[1089]
;W[lm]WL[670]
;B[po]BL[1083]
;W[qn]WL[669]
;B[ed]BL[1056]
;W[eg]WL[660]
;B[ec]BL[1047]
;W[eb]WL[659]
;B[eh]BL[1019]
;W[lp]WL[632]
;B[ll]BL[1011]
;W[ml]WL[629]
;B[kl]BL[1002]
;W[nj]WL[507]
;B[nk]BL[718]
;W[mj]WL[439]
;B[ok]BL[700]
;W[mk]WL[397]
;B[ln]BL[625]
;W[lo]WL[311]
;B[mm]BL[622]
;W[nm]WL[311]
;B[nn]BL[616]
;W[lm]WL[310]
;B[db]BL[571]
;W[cb]WL[303]
;B[mm]BL[567]
;W[ni]WL[301]
;B[nh]BL[564]
;W[og]WL[292]
;B[la]BL[558]
;W[lm]WL[291]
;B[da]BL[542]
;W[ca]WL[285]
;B[mm]BL[539]
;W[mc]WL[282]
;B[kc]BL[537]
;W[lm]WL[281]
;B[dd]BL[530]
;W[ea]WL[271]
;B[mm]BL[526]
;W[oa]WL[247]
;B[ma]BL[524]
;W[lm]WL[246]
;B[cc]BL[499]
;W[bc]WL[243]
;B[mm]BL[490]
;W[ia]WL[240]
;B[ja]BL[488]
;W[lm]WL[240]
;B[eo]BL[471]
;W[ep]WL[216]
;B[mm]BL[465]
;W[oj]WL[62]
;B[pj]BL[205]
;W[lm]WL[60]
;B[qq]BL[541]
;W[rr]WL[598]
;B[mm]BL[538]
;W[qj]WL[597]
;B[pk]BL[531]
;W[lm]WL[596]
;B[sd]BL[392]
;W[kn]WL[579]
;B[rc]BL[385]
;W[rb]WL[576]
;B[sb]BL[383]
;W[sc]WL[575]
;B[gb]BL[367]
;W[gc]WL[542]
;B[rc]BL[365]
;W[ra]WL[542]
;B[lq]BL[358]
;W[hn]WL[539]
;B[hm]BL[354]
;W[dn]WL[519]
;B[dm]BL[324]
;W[do]WL[517]
;B[im]BL[303]
;W[sc]WL[500]
;B[ke]BL[285]
;W[je]WL[494]
;B[rc]BL[281]
;W[cm]WL[484]
;B[bm]BL[279]
;W[sc]WL[483]
;B[fg]BL[261]
;W[ff]WL[480]
;B[rc]BL[257]
;W[cl]WL[477]
;B[bl]BL[252]
;W[sc]WL[477]
;B[gg]BL[230]
;W[se]WL[454]
;B[hg]BL[223]
;W[ps]WL[389]
;B[os]BL[204]
;W[qs]WL[388]
;B[or]BL[202]
;W[gi]WL[354]
;B[gj]BL[198]
;W[jn]WL[329]
;B[ig]BL[168]
;W[kh]WL[327]
;B[ha]BL[162]
;W[ga]WL[311]
;B[fa]BL[597]
;W[fb]WL[599]
;B[jm]BL[584]
;W[jo]WL[549]
;B[sd]BL[575]
;W[rc]WL[546]
;B[kp]BL[569]
;W[io]WL[526]
;B[om]BL[531]
;W[nl]WL[512]
;B[sl]BL[511]
;W[sm]WL[508]
;B[sk]BL[508]
;W[pm]WL[487]
;B[ol]BL[506]
;W[go]WL[468]
;B[em]BL[499]
;W[hs]WL[465]
;B[is]BL[497]
;W[gs]WL[465]
;B[ql]BL[495]
;W[qm]WL[460]
;B[kj]BL[482]
;W[kf]WL[454]
;B[se]BL[472]
;W[ga]WL[452]
;B[ia]BL[470]
;W[jh]WL[448]
;B[me]BL[467]
;W[]WL[402]
;B[]BL[461]
;W[]WL[402]
;TW[aa][ba][da][fa][pa][qa][sa][ab][bb][db][gb][pb][qb][sb][ac][cc][nc][oc][ad][bd][kg][mm][ln][rn][sn][ro][so][cp][fp][sp][aq][bq][cq][dq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][fr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][rs][ss]TB[ka][lb][qf][rf][cg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][qi][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][dj][ej][fj][qj][rj][sj][ak][bk][dk][ek][fk][gk][hk][ik][al][cl][dl][el][fl][gl][hl][il][jl][am][cm][fm][gm][oo][op][pp][kq][mq][nq][oq][jr][lr][mr][nr][js][ks][ls][ms][ns]C[Black wins by 9.5Tien [9d?\]: Finally ten points
Tien [9d?\]: Look at all that white dame in the centre :)
Finnish8d [-\]: w has struggled in yose but cannot make it
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: After opening, white never got any more profit
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]OS[AriSan][Gardan][JeffChang][Juippi][Kettu][Kyumato][Laman][Lepakko][M15][Mikgo][Oni][Pitekan][Roln][Skeletor][abliu][ayano][baldur][betterlife][boudu][c7][hegethus][helmeri][hiji][kare][manocska][mi7098][pempu][sato19][vilzu])
(;W[jp]
;B[kq]
(;W[jo])
(;W[qr]C[Tien [9d?\]: And more like this here, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])))
(;W[qk]
;B[ql]
;W[rj]
;B[rm]
;W[sk]
;B[qn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, a bit tough
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[li]C[Tien [9d?\]: Jump instead?
Finnish8d [-\]: should he keima earlier?
Finnish8d [-\]: this is still weak shape
])
(;W[ki]C[Tien [9d?\]: Here?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I mean
]))
(;W[hj]
;B[mh]
;W[rl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then go for endgame
Finnish8d [-\]: should be like this
]))
(;W[gp]
;B[gq]
;W[fo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: not saying it is good or logical
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: This seems good for white
]))
(;B[gq]LB[gh:B][nn:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: At least now A and B are miai
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[hc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos w shape is quite weak
Tien [9d?\]: ...Got to be here, too, for shape
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;B[gb]C[Tien [9d?\]: I might do this, even :)
]
;W[fb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe you ask for more
]
;B[gc]
;W[fd]
;B[kd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Finally go back and fix
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah if it can be like this ^^
]))
(;W[hq]
;B[jo]
;W[nn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Was this what we planned?
Tien [9d?\]: Looks fine to white, anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
]))
(;W[mc]
;B[ld]
;W[id]LB[sb:C][re:B][rf:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: This is still the way, right?
Tien [9d?\]: I don't see a reason to cost points with A-B
Finnish8d [-\]: to me w should have exchanged those first
Tien [9d?\]: You want it?
Finnish8d [-\]: or b will seal it right?
Tien [9d?\]: I dislike black getting C for endgame
Finnish8d [-\]: I think normally we say S16 is w sente later
Tien [9d?\]: Don't really mind about getting sealed
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;B[ne]
;W[nn]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'd do something like this, I guess
]))
(;B[ld]C[Tien [9d?\]: Let's take the modern way instead? :)
Finnish8d [-\]: b needs to in this case
Finnish8d [-\]: whole board cooperation
Tien [9d?\]: Since the upper side is nothing
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: but w doesn't have to answer if w plans to give away the corner
Tien [9d?\]: Alrighty
]
;W[id]C[Tien [9d?\]: Something like this then, maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Finnish8d [-\]: and well still not easy to b
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[oc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, what'll it be then
]
(;W[nc]
;B[od]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]C[Tien [9d?\]: This'd be something for black, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah there is
]
;W[qb]
;B[nb]
;W[pa]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so basically M16 is locally sente for b
]
;B[mb])
(;W[re]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hmm?
Tien [9d?\]: Got to exchange first?
]
;B[rf]
;W[nc])))
(;B[qd]BL[3581]C[Black: Javier-Aleksi Savolainen
White: Peter Markó
]
;W[dp]WL[3597]C[Tien [9d?\]: Last one, then
]
;B[cd]BL[3577]
;W[pp]WL[3594]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[jc]BL[3573]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, let's pass this :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;W[cj]WL[3587]
;B[dh]BL[3553]
(;W[qn]WL[3565]LB[ej:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: Should A be taken immediately?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Finnish8d [-\]: didn't he do that?
]
;B[pi]BL[3460]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Tien [9d?\]: Also meant for white
]
;W[ec]WL[3502]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w has the right to say, no it is not anything I care
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: You're talking about consistency, then :)
Tien [9d?\]: I'm talking about what is actually good or not
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that cap is so big
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;B[dc]BL[3393]
(;W[ed]WL[3498]
;B[df]BL[3389]
;W[hc]WL[3492]
;B[ie]BL[3378]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now it's a bit comfortable to black already, somehow
]
;W[gf]WL[3484]
(;B[ge]BL[3286]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...And yeah, this wasn't maybe so good
]
(;W[fe]WL[3401]
;B[gd]BL[3283]
;W[gc]WL[3399]
;B[id]BL[3281]
;W[eg]WL[3396]
;B[dg]BL[3264]
;W[hg]WL[3387]
;B[jg]BL[3230]
;W[ii]WL[3383]LB[oc:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: And this had to be at around A, too
Finnish8d [-\]: w has to invade
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: White cannot win by playing like this
]
;B[od]BL[3025]
;W[qc]WL[3340]
;B[pc]BL[2820]
;W[fq]WL[3330]
;B[mq]BL[2677]
;W[oq]WL[3314]
;B[jq]BL[2650]
;W[hq]WL[3280]
;B[jo]BL[2607]
(;W[kp]WL[3250]LB[qe:C][qk:B][co:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...I guess the peep might be early, still
Tien [9d?\]: Just A instead?
Tien [9d?\]: Or B
Finnish8d [-\]: B is more attractive to me ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Tien [9d?\]: So for C next
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: But, alrighty
]
;B[kq]BL[2497]
;W[qk]WL[3248]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah no I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: R10
]
(;B[oj]BL[2420]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, it was like this
Finnish8d [-\]: kosumi this..
Tien [9d?\]: I wonder if p10 is soft
]
(;W[qe]WL[3225]
;B[rd]BL[2350]C[Tien [9d?\]: But right, r15 is a slight miss
Tien [9d?\]: Had to be s16 instead
]
;W[pe]WL[3215]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[pd]BL[2349]
;W[ri]WL[3213]
;B[qh]BL[2303]
;W[rh]WL[3211]
;B[rf]BL[2237]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he is happy by small reduction
Tien [9d?\]: I'm not sure about this s15 :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know ^^
Tien [9d?\]: But well, fine
Finnish8d [-\]: it is also too small
Tien [9d?\]: Problem was p10
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: The main problem, anyway
]
(;W[mi]WL[3188]
;B[mg]BL[2047]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
(;W[ki]WL[3180]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...And what is this, anyway
Tien [9d?\]: This is one problem there, but...
]
;B[cm]BL[1921]
;W[co]WL[3170]
;B[dk]BL[1918]
;W[dj]WL[3168]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so this pass kinda ^^
]
;B[ej]BL[1890]
;W[bl]WL[3163]
;B[fk]BL[1739]C[Tien [9d?\]: Definitely
]
;W[cl]WL[3137]
;B[hh]BL[1731]C[Tien [9d?\]: But I'd think there is a way to fight here, still?
Finnish8d [-\]: just fight in a normal way
]
;W[ih]WL[3134]
;B[ig]BL[1729]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b plan was kinda risky actually
]
(;W[gi]WL[3107]
;B[fh]BL[1681]
;W[gh]WL[2992]
;B[ff]BL[1671]
;W[ib]WL[2978]
;B[eb]BL[1586]
;W[fb]WL[2975]
;B[db]BL[1583]
;W[ef]WL[2974]
;B[fg]BL[1579]
;W[jb]WL[2964]
;B[kb]BL[1577]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, right, white died here?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: that's how it is over so fast
]
;W[eh]WL[2926]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;B[ei]BL[1522]
;W[ee]WL[2923]
;B[fi]BL[1505]
;W[di]WL[2919]
;B[gj]BL[1491]
;W[bf]WL[2914]
;B[de]BL[1473]C[White resigns.])
(;W[gh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[hi]
;W[ei]C[Tien [9d?\]: This would look risky alright
]
;B[eh]
;W[fh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Like black has no move now
Finnish8d [-\]: he will then turn to the centre
]
;B[hj]
;W[fj]
;B[ij]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but the pay on the left is done already
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, now we again have a fairly even one, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: possibly ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hard to estimate
Tien [9d?\]: Well okay, that was this game, then
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: Once white messed up the fight, that's it
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, seems like many are like this in Assu's games ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: one fight, then the rest doesn't matter
Tien [9d?\]: All in -style :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: so we always see risky plans
Tien [9d?\]: But alright, I'll clean up the file and upload
Tien [9d?\]: When's the next round?
Finnish8d [-\]: ok thanks buddy
Finnish8d [-\]: it will be on January
Tien [9d?\]: ...Oh, that's tough
Finnish8d [-\]: Round 4 - Tuesday 14 January 2014 
Mokki [3d\]: yeah, we have a long break now
Tien [9d?\]: I'm coming back from Spain then
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah right after that
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, no, I return on Monday
Tien [9d?\]: No problem then
Finnish8d [-\]: ok nice ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Though on the other hand, that round is not extremely important I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, after that every single one will be important
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Alrighty, let's close for tonight!
Tien [9d?\]: Thanks for attending
Finnish8d [-\]: thanks ^^
]))
(;W[dn]))
(;W[ni]C[Tien [9d?\]: Surely here, too
Tien [9d?\]: Now r13 is an actual threat
]))
(;W[rd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: too much
Tien [9d?\]: hane now?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[rc]
;W[qe]
;B[qb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and b has no answer to that
]
;W[qh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this w is happy
Tien [9d?\]: Right
]))
(;B[pj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but the other way w is also happy
])
(;B[qj]C[Tien [9d?\]: This way?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[pk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: backwards a bit?
Finnish8d [-\]: then like O12 maybe?
]
(;B[ni]C[Tien [9d?\]: At least it's harder now, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: I am just thinking if it has to be O11 to w
Tien [9d?\]: For white
Finnish8d [-\]: to b*
Tien [9d?\]: I'll rather take this
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Because now, white's upper left is weaker
Tien [9d?\]: White can invade; fine, we'll take care of it
Tien [9d?\]: Even if white lives, it's a game
Tien [9d?\]: Then black will mount an attack to the left
Finnish8d [-\]: alright : )
])
(;B[oh]C[Tien [9d?\]: This'd be the usual shape
])
(;B[nh]C[Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, this is more finalized
Finnish8d [-\]: I know this is not usual ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Still, I'm not sure
]
;W[qh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w will come, yes
])))
(;W[qk]
;B[qj]
;W[pk]
;B[ni]C[Tien [9d?\]: Will it be like this then?
Finnish8d [-\]: maybe, this is to force w to gamble :P
]
(;W[lh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
]
;B[ji]
;W[lj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: out first
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[jj]
;W[qe]
;B[rd]
;W[pe]
;B[pd]
;W[ng]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I was actually thinking about those right away
Finnish8d [-\]: together with R12
])
(;W[qe]
;B[rd]
;W[pe]
;B[pd]
;W[qh]
;B[rj]C[Tien [9d?\]: You think you have enough space?
Tien [9d?\]: I'm not too confident
Finnish8d [-\]: probably hard :Å
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
])))
(;W[he]
;B[hd]
(;W[hf]
;B[gd])
(;W[gd]
;B[hf]
;W[fe]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b did it too early
Tien [9d?\]: As we discussed, right
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
])))
(;B[ic]C[Tien [9d?\]: But I believe it's this if something
Finnish8d [-\]: strong shape ^^
Tien [9d?\]: And limiting the white eyes
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;B[od]C[Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, for now, surely here
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah just what I want to say
Tien [9d?\]: Not like white will die anyway
]))
(;W[ee]C[Tien [9d?\]: Jump, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: lighter, yes
]
;B[df]
;W[db]
;B[cb]
;W[hc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: since b has a structure on top right, too
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]))
(;W[ej]C[Tien [9d?\]: If this is the way it should be
]
;B[ed]
;W[jp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Looks good
Finnish8d [-\]: at least b should take it, that is his intention
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
])))
