(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]
GN[Pandanet European Team Championships 2013]DT[2014-01-15]RO[4]PC[IGS-PandaNet]C[Tien [9d?\]: I wonder if we'll get anybody else :P
Namii [8d\]: Well, at least it will go relatively quickly then
Tien [9d?\]: Well, at least we've announced this properly in suomigo
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that too
Namii [8d\]: I don't have much to say about my game :|
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, it's 19
Namii [8d\]: Next time I'll drop out of the match if I'm really feeling like I can't play
Tien [9d?\]: Shall Jeff comment mine and Juri's?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
]LT[]NB[35]NW[34]RR[Normal]
(;B[qd]BL[3582]C[Musta: Antti Törmänen 7 dan
Valkoinen: Fan Hui 8 dan
V+3,5]
;W[pp]WL[3594]C[Tien [9d?\]: They're the first two
]
;B[dc]BL[3555]
;W[cp]WL[3589]
;B[ce]BL[3544]
;W[od]WL[3585]
;B[oc]BL[3542]
;W[nc]WL[3584]
;B[pc]BL[3541]
;W[db]WL[3583]
;B[eb]BL[3540]
;W[ec]WL[3582]
;B[ed]BL[3540]
;W[fc]WL[3581]
;B[fb]BL[3540]
;W[gc]WL[3581]
;B[gb]BL[3539]
;W[hc]WL[3581]
;B[cc]BL[3539]
;W[nd]WL[3579]
;B[qf]BL[3538]
;W[jc]WL[3578]
;B[fq]BL[3518]
;W[dq]WL[3569]
;B[iq]BL[3470]
;W[kq]WL[3566]
;B[qn]BL[3468]
;W[nq]WL[3529]
;B[rp]BL[3439]
;W[qq]WL[3450]
;B[pl]BL[3393]
;W[fo]WL[3437]
;B[io]BL[3350]
;W[dj]WL[3432]
;B[dl]BL[3208]
;W[im]WL[3049]
;B[fl]BL[3160]
;W[gm]WL[3034]
;B[fj]BL[3050]
;W[dh]WL[2946]C[Tien [9d?\]: I still want f12, kind of
]
(;B[do]BL[2954]C[Tien [9d?\]: D8 still seems like the only interesting spot
Namii [8d\]: Yeah, at least it's the first move that is really standing out
Finnish8d [-\]: because of F5?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Tien [9d?\]: The rest of the board seems pretty valueless
Tien [9d?\]: The d8 sector is the biggest open area
Finnish8d [-\]: probably I am not used to 4th line invasion itself ^^
Tien [9d?\]: And there, it's got to be d8 if something
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Namii [8d\]: It has to be the 4th line there, doesn't it?
Tien [9d?\]: Feels like it to me
Tien [9d?\]: Sliding to b10 really isn't interesting to black
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah if an invasion there, it has to be 4th line
Finnish8d [-\]: anyway
Tien [9d?\]: D5 does feel still a bit odd
Finnish8d [-\]: I remember we have discussed about this D5
Tien [9d?\]: Or, let's say a bit slow
Namii [8d\]: Maybe not required to play it now anyway
Tien [9d?\]: Costs points anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: So maybe black could directly play L4 then
]
;W[co]WL[2914]
;B[dn]BL[2937]
;W[ep]WL[2906]
;B[kp]BL[2869]
;W[lp]WL[2890]
;B[ko]BL[2864]
;W[jq]WL[2889]
;B[ip]BL[2861]
;W[bm]WL[2791]
;B[bl]BL[2771]
;W[cm]WL[2783]
;B[dk]BL[2751]
;W[cj]WL[2633]
;B[bk]BL[2713]
;W[fh]WL[2623]
;B[hl]BL[2571]
;W[hm]WL[2602]
;B[hi]BL[2536]
;W[hg]WL[2523]
;B[ji]BL[2464]
;W[km]WL[2476]
;B[dr]BL[2365]
;W[cr]WL[2446]
;B[eq]BL[2353]
;W[dp]WL[2349]
(;B[lo]BL[2261]
;W[mp]WL[2340]
;B[lq]BL[2203]
;W[lr]WL[2284]
;B[mo]BL[2191]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now it's a bit too heavy
]
;W[jg]WL[2244]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Kettu [4d\]: Hi
Tien [9d?\]: Hi there, welcome in
Finnish8d [-\]: but well this jump is an obvious mistake
Namii [8d\]: Hi there
Finnish8d [-\]: hi ^^
Kettu [4d\]: and oops, forgot this was my nick here
Tien [9d?\]: But punishing it is not right either :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that was our conclusion last Tuesday ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: This actually reminds me
Finnish8d [-\]: since you will play with him again soon in that Wbaduk league
Finnish8d [-\]: you may notice a lot similarity between this game and his game with Oh Lluis, the game we have read before the Congress
Namii [8d\]: By the way, remember that if you discuss tactics here, this file will be publicly available :P
Finnish8d [-\]: He thinks about to attack all the time, and just try one then the other
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, let's do that later
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok sure ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, Mokki as well, nice :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
(;B[gg]BL[2087]
;W[gh]WL[2233]
;B[hh]BL[2085]
;W[fg]WL[2059]
;B[ig]BL[2043]
;W[gf]WL[2056]
;B[if]BL[1984]
;W[ik]WL[1999]
;B[gk]BL[1870]C[Namii [8d\]: Painful to have to play G9
Finnish8d [-\]: Still, to me it is b leading here
Finnish8d [-\]: w K13 is a big one in this kind of game
Tien [9d?\]: I guess
Tien [9d?\]: Just slightly
]
;W[mm]WL[1967]
;B[np]BL[1824]
;W[mq]WL[1964]
;B[nn]BL[1714]
;W[jh]WL[1960]
;B[ih]BL[1656]
;W[ki]WL[1957]
;B[jj]BL[1634]
;W[kj]WL[1954]
;B[jk]BL[1622]
;W[kk]WL[1952]
;B[il]BL[1536]
;W[pn]WL[1934]
;B[pm]BL[1480]
;W[on]WL[1932]
;B[nm]BL[1462]
;W[qj]WL[1843]
;B[qk]BL[1439]
;W[ok]WL[1812]
;B[pk]BL[1176]
;W[pj]WL[1411]
;B[nk]BL[1163]
;W[oj]WL[1351]
;B[nl]BL[1153]
;W[ke]WL[1323]
;B[hb]BL[1090]
;W[pe]WL[1298]
;B[qe]BL[1084]C[Namii [8d\]: W ended up getting the right side invasion for relatively free
]
;W[ib]WL[1268]
;B[id]BL[1055]
;W[ic]WL[1265]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Not quite, he paid the centre points
Namii [8d\]: Hmm, right
Finnish8d [-\]: and b living itself
Namii [8d\]: but w would also have been busier if we compare to the earlier suggested variation
Namii [8d\]: Yeah well that is something
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Tien [9d?\]: That's why the direction is wrong with black g13
Tien [9d?\]: But that's about it
Finnish8d [-\]: of course if b has gone towards the right side, it would have been harder for w
]
;B[nj]BL[1031]
;W[rk]WL[1153]
;B[rl]BL[1024]
;W[ni]WL[1149]
;B[mi]BL[965]
;W[nh]WL[1138]
;B[ph]BL[839]
;W[mh]WL[1063]
(;B[oi]BL[769]C[Tien [9d?\]: And p11 was minus two, too
Namii [8d\]: Directly S11, huh
Finnish8d [-\]: So this is the 1sst obvious mistake
]
;W[oh]WL[1053]
;B[ri]BL[674]
;W[pi]WL[1039]
;B[rq]BL[586]
;W[rj]WL[937]
;B[qh]BL[563]
;W[cb]WL[904]
;B[bb]BL[552]
;W[dd]WL[860]
;B[cd]BL[549]
;W[rr]WL[752]
;B[qp]BL[478]
;W[pq]WL[747]
;B[er]BL[461]
;W[dm]WL[743]
;B[nb]BL[310]
;W[mb]WL[739]
;B[ob]BL[309]
;W[ej]WL[729]
;B[jl]BL[239]
;W[jm]WL[685]
;B[bj]BL[211]
;W[bi]WL[660]
;B[bh]BL[188]
;W[ai]WL[655]
;B[bg]BL[158]
;W[gr]WL[553]C[Namii [8d\]: Endure?
Finnish8d [-\]: I was thinking about that for long :P
Tien [9d?\]: Have to
Tien [9d?\]: Otherwise white gets d1 and kills those d6 stones
Tien [9d?\]: That's paying 5 points
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, mainly the centre 2 stones
Namii [8d\]: Right
]
;B[gq]BL[97]
;W[ir]WL[551]
;B[hr]BL[96]
;W[hs]WL[549]
;B[hq]BL[95]
;W[jr]WL[543]
;B[sr]BL[52]
;W[ek]WL[528]C[Tien [9d?\]: Sorry, 6
]
;B[el]BL[48]
;W[fk]WL[526]
;B[gl]BL[46]
;W[gj]WL[526]
;B[hj]BL[35]
;W[rs]WL[501]
;B[og]BL[590]
;W[ha]WL[369]
;B[nf]BL[538]
;W[mf]WL[366]C[Finnish8d [-\]: And here
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, there actually was a chance
Finnish8d [-\]: I cost about an hour to read for all the possibilities
Tien [9d?\]: Just about turning the game around
Finnish8d [-\]: in Kaamosleri
Tien [9d?\]: Did it work?
Finnish8d [-\]: the conclusion is b can do it
]
(;B[ma]BL[517]
;W[lb]WL[363]
;B[en]BL[470]
;W[em]WL[351]
;B[fn]BL[469]
;W[fm]WL[351]
;B[gn]BL[469]
;W[ga]WL[342]
;B[ca]BL[467]
;W[go]WL[336]
;B[hn]BL[465]
;W[de]WL[249]
;B[df]BL[460]
;W[ee]WL[248]
;B[gi]BL[429]
;W[ne]WL[187]
;B[fi]BL[407]
;W[ch]WL[153]
;B[ef]BL[388]
;W[fe]WL[151]
;B[am]BL[377]
;W[bn]WL[140]
;B[cs]BL[373]
;W[bs]WL[133]
;B[ds]BL[371]
;W[bq]WL[124]
;B[of]BL[337]
;W[mj]WL[111]
;B[qo]BL[242]
;W[op]WL[108]
;B[fs]BL[220]
;W[sl]WL[91]
;B[rm]BL[208]
;W[gs]WL[91]
;B[pd]BL[196]
;W[la]WL[6]
;B[oe]BL[171]
;W[ng]WL[3]
;B[jf]BL[146]
;W[kf]WL[1]
;B[jd]BL[144]
;W[kd]WL[598]
;B[na]BL[135]
;W[no]WL[594]
;B[mn]BL[128]
;W[cg]WL[591]
;B[cf]BL[598]
;W[ah]WL[590]
;B[ei]BL[585]
;W[eh]WL[580]
;B[bf]BL[581]
;W[mk]WL[548]
;B[ll]BL[509]
;W[kl]WL[532]
;B[po]BL[499]
;W[oo]WL[512]
;B[ml]BL[494]
;W[lm]WL[511]
;B[lk]BL[492]
;W[lj]WL[501]
;B[ff]BL[438]
;W[ge]WL[474]
;B[hd]BL[420]
;W[an]WL[437]
;B[gd]BL[415]
;W[fd]WL[435]
;B[al]BL[406]
;W[si]WL[403]
;B[sh]BL[401]
;W[qi]WL[383]
;B[rh]BL[395]
;W[ag]WL[364]
;B[af]BL[393]
;W[aj]WL[354]
;B[sm]BL[374]
;W[sj]WL[328]
;B[da]BL[366]
;W[fa]WL[326]
;B[ea]BL[362]
;W[ia]WL[324]
;B[ho]BL[352]
;W[gp]WL[321]
;B[fr]BL[347]
;W[is]WL[319]
;B[jp]BL[345]
;W[jn]WL[316]
;B[sk]BL[335]
;W[oi]WL[314]
;B[sl]BL[331]
;W[qr]WL[308]
;B[sq]BL[329]
;W[je]WL[582]
;B[hf]BL[324]
;W[gg]WL[581]
;B[]BL[318]
;W[]WL[579]
;B[]BL[600])
(;B[me]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Finnish8d [-\]: this works 100%
]
(;W[ne]
;B[lf]
;W[mg]
;B[kf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this obviously works
Tien [9d?\]: And is way enough to turn it
Tien [9d?\]: Right
])
(;W[ng]C[Tien [9d?\]: Easy enough, too
Tien [9d?\]: Jsut connect
Finnish8d [-\]: This is the strongest resistance
]
;B[ne]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, the other atari
Finnish8d [-\]: you can connect here ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: as my reading
Tien [9d?\]: Sure
]
;W[of]
;B[oe]
;W[pg]
;B[pd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, even the atari doesn't matter
]
;W[le]
;B[pf]
;W[md]
;B[og]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so w will win the ko
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, it's only a minor gain
Tien [9d?\]: But sente
Finnish8d [-\]: but w needs to go back to M17
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Tien [9d?\]: I guess this will be a really close one now
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: so this is w strongest, as my reading
Tien [9d?\]: Alright
Tien [9d?\]: I think that's it for this game
Tien [9d?\]: Namii's next?
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
])))
(;B[ri]C[Finnish8d [-\]: has to be here directly 
]))
(;B[li]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So still this direction is bigger
Finnish8d [-\]: and w owes a move there anyway
Tien [9d?\]: And white should have gone towards the right already, too
]
;W[qj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Instead of k13, I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: ah right
]))
(;B[mp]C[Tien [9d?\]: This seemed to lose more, only
Tien [9d?\]: White up
Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling told me this
]
;W[lo]
;B[ln]
;W[mo]
;B[kn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe it's more natural though
Namii [8d\]: Hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know, but not a lot more right?
Finnish8d [-\]: and you run more comfortably
Namii [8d\]: it feels natural to me too but I didn't consider your cost argument that much
Finnish8d [-\]: probably 1-2 points more
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, this is better
]))
(;B[fh]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah right, this feels like a sort of domination point
Namii [8d\]: White is put under quiet a bit of pressure here
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: once there is no E9 problem it is fine
Namii [8d\]: I'm just reading it ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: and for now it is not a problem
Namii [8d\]: Yeah at least feels hard for w
Tien [9d?\]: What will happen then, exactly?
Tien [9d?\]: Let's lay it out
]
;W[ek]
(;B[fm]
;W[fk]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
(;B[gn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: In my mind this is what happenes next
Tien [9d?\]: White e14 then?
]
;W[ef]
;B[ih]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe do those exchanges first in the corner, but anyway
Tien [9d?\]: I somehow cannot like playing in the centre like this as black
Tien [9d?\]: The stones are clearly heavy
Tien [9d?\]: Give me h8 now
])
(;B[hl]C[Tien [9d?\]: That's maybe slightly better, yes
Tien [9d?\]: Thenm white j10 now
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
]
;W[ij]
;B[eg]C[Namii [8d\]: I was reading the tougher way, too
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, this I can accept
Tien [9d?\]: Yes, I'd play the tough way too
Namii [8d\]: but maybe that's too tough
Tien [9d?\]: Or I'd like to see it, at least
Namii [8d\]: So block at E8
]))
(;B[el]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]C[Namii [8d\]: G9?
Tien [9d?\]: Hane, yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: this way?
Namii [8d\]: White has some liberty problems
]
;W[gl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Extend, probably
Namii [8d\]: C9, C8
Namii [8d\]: Yeah after extension
]
(;B[hk]
;W[ck]
;B[cl]
;W[bk]C[Namii [8d\]: Next move is key then
Namii [8d\]: but at least b has a lot of liberties too
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, negative
Namii [8d\]: Not easy to read anyway
Namii [8d\]: So in this kind of a game you wouldn't play it
Tien [9d?\]: Instead of extend, c10?
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe I won't go on this way myself as b
])
(;B[cj]
;W[ci]
;B[ck]
;W[ej]C[Namii [8d\]: That's better already
]
;B[gj]
;W[cf]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, just remembered something that Chizu said
Tien [9d?\]: This cannot be correct for black
Tien [9d?\]: So Jeff's idea earlier is right
Namii [8d\]: qed
Namii [8d\]: :D
Finnish8d [-\]: why is that? :P
Namii [8d\]: Yeah this feels bad
Tien [9d?\]: Because black is the weaker party in this area of the board
Tien [9d?\]: Fighting is principally wrong
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so it is not reasonable
Tien [9d?\]: Your way should be good enough, then
Namii [8d\]: In Europe it could be
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, let's go on
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
]))))
(;B[pd]BL[3596]C[Musta: Benjamin Papazoglou 5 dan
Valkoinen: Juri Kuronen 6 dan
M+Luov.Finnish8d [-\]: Have to look at this one again
Finnish8d [-\]: my general impression is Namii is too hurry
Namii [8d\]: hurry to sleep
Finnish8d [-\]: as w you need to be patient
Namii [8d\]: next time I promise not to force myself to play 
Tien [9d?\]: s3 I don't somehow get
Finnish8d [-\]: that is not the only factor
Finnish8d [-\]: because you did like this in the last game against Ukraine as w, too
Finnish8d [-\]: it is a color problem to me
Namii [8d\]: Hmm, could be.. but actually that game too I had a similar condition
Finnish8d [-\]: so when you play online, this shows
Finnish8d [-\]: it doesn't show in real life games
Namii [8d\]: internet games in the evening are different than tournament games in the morning
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;W[dc]WL[3579]
;B[pq]BL[3567]
;W[dq]WL[3556]
;B[de]BL[3552]
;W[ce]WL[3522]
;B[cf]BL[3545]
;W[cd]WL[3521]
;B[do]BL[3501]
;W[co]WL[3519]
;B[cn]BL[3498]
;W[cp]WL[3512]
;B[df]BL[3482]
;W[fc]WL[3506]
;B[dn]BL[3479]
;W[fq]WL[3504]
;B[dj]BL[3475]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So a very patient opening ^^
Namii [8d\]: S3 was mainly "let's take some territories"
Tien [9d?\]: I'd play r6 here, maybe :)
Namii [8d\]: it backfired a bit
]
(;W[qo]WL[3499]
;B[qk]BL[3456]
;W[rq]WL[3232]C[Tien [9d?\]: Black wants to play r4, then, but actually he doesn't want to
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah this one
Tien [9d?\]: Because then white gets the side and black's left side doesn't work
Namii [8d\]: True
Finnish8d [-\]: Antti meant R7?
Tien [9d?\]: Instead of r5
]
;B[po]BL[3370]C[Namii [8d\]: Maybe easier to give in here
Finnish8d [-\]: I think you have to :P
Finnish8d [-\]: though that is not comfortable
]
(;W[pn]WL[3187]
;B[qp]BL[3362]
;W[rp]WL[3172]
;B[qn]BL[3354]
;W[ro]WL[3171]
;B[qm]BL[3327]
;W[oo]WL[3165]
;B[pp]BL[3326]
;W[qr]WL[3159]
;B[on]BL[3320]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now it's definitely hard for white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: but can w do nothing here for now?
Tien [9d?\]: Better not
Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling is fighting directly is definitely negative
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe just k4 for now
Tien [9d?\]: After q7, there is :)
Tien [9d?\]: Here, I think tenuki is fine
Tien [9d?\]: Black q7 would be too slow
Namii [8d\]: Yeah, seems so
Finnish8d [-\]: this is just similar as Antti against Ilya's game
Finnish8d [-\]: to fight directly, the circumstances doesn't support
Namii [8d\]: right ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: so just let b add a move
Finnish8d [-\]: he may not want it since it costs him another move
Finnish8d [-\]: then you can do
]
(;W[pm]WL[3151]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then black plays o17 and we move to the right
Tien [9d?\]: Or something
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: I thought there was no turning back anymore
]
;B[nn]BL[3278]C[Namii [8d\]: black becomes too thick if he captures Q7
]
;W[pl]WL[3125]
;B[ql]BL[3255]
;W[nl]WL[3123]
;B[np]BL[3052]
;W[ll]WL[2977]
;B[pk]BL[2858]
;W[nm]WL[2974]
;B[ln]BL[2853]C[Namii [8d\]: K8 or so
Tien [9d?\]: I'll accept r14 here
]
;W[qf]WL[2941]
;B[qh]BL[2826]C[Tien [9d?\]: Need to do something
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, great
Tien [9d?\]: Now something else
Namii [8d\]: Just tenuki, right
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Namii [8d\]: so K8
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, jump now
]
(;W[nc]WL[2918]
;B[pf]BL[2724]
;W[pg]WL[2904]
;B[qg]BL[2711]
;W[qc]WL[2886]
;B[qe]BL[2693]
;W[pc]WL[2883]
;B[kl]BL[2560]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
Tien [9d?\]: Touch?
]
;W[kk]WL[2880]
;B[jl]BL[2557]C[Tien [9d?\]: Thank you
]
;W[lj]WL[2832]
;B[hq]BL[2501]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b also concerns points too much
]
;W[ij]WL[2825]
;B[of]BL[2339]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So like this, looks good
Tien [9d?\]: Close to even again, yes
Tien [9d?\]: That h3, though
]
(;W[bh]WL[2558]C[Namii [8d\]: This was too fast
Namii [8d\]: I shouldn't be in this much hurry
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: but it's hard to find a move at the top
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, might be doable
Finnish8d [-\]: exactly what I want to say
]
;B[bg]BL[2180]
;W[dh]WL[2554]
;B[eh]BL[2169]
;W[ck]WL[2552]
;B[cj]BL[2043]
;W[bj]WL[2550]
;B[dk]BL[2009]
(;W[bl]WL[2518]
;B[cl]BL[1876]
;W[bk]WL[2046]C[Tien [9d?\]: Benjamin is good at making you feel bad :)
]
;B[bn]BL[1723]C[Finnish8d [-\]: like this life is difficult..
Namii [8d\]: This was simply not a good game by me
]
;W[ci]WL[1861]
;B[ei]BL[1660]
;W[ai]WL[1789]
;B[dg]BL[1539]
;W[ch]WL[1788]
;B[lc]BL[1499]
;W[md]WL[1729]
;B[ic]BL[1401]
;W[fg]WL[1723]
;B[eg]BL[1379]
;W[ld]WL[1719]
;B[mb]BL[1295]
(;W[ib]WL[1652]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe this left me deep impression
Namii [8d\]: I wished to attack black's shape
Finnish8d [-\]: I know
Finnish8d [-\]: and you care about points extremely
Finnish8d [-\]: like you never feel you have enough
Finnish8d [-\]: just not this hurry at least
]
;B[jb]BL[1119]
;W[hb]WL[1649]
;B[kd]BL[969]
;W[jd]WL[1577]C[Namii [8d\]: I think I was losing track of things here
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know how to comment this :P
Namii [8d\]: This is just forcing things to happen
Tien [9d?\]: I think we can fast forward to end, here
Namii [8d\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
]
;B[ke]BL[708]
;W[jc]WL[1575]
;B[kb]BL[698]
;W[id]WL[1574]
;B[kc]BL[651]
;W[nb]WL[1542]C[Tien [9d?\]: L18, too...
Tien [9d?\]: I'll just connect and get sente
Tien [9d?\]: Anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah they both thought about points too much in the game
]
;B[ie]BL[596]
;W[hd]WL[1537]
;B[je]BL[385]C[Finnish8d [-\]: something modest maybe?
Tien [9d?\]: I want m13
Tien [9d?\]: Or hmm
]
(;W[jg]WL[1449]
;B[pr]BL[259]
;W[el]WL[1348]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, q2
]
;B[dl]BL[234]
;W[ip]WL[1305]C[Tien [9d?\]: Last chance
]
;B[hp]BL[210]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I think there was a chance in the game
]
;W[in]WL[1304]
;B[lm]BL[43]
;W[ho]WL[1294]
;B[iq]BL[565]
;W[jp]WL[1242]
;B[go]BL[552]C[Tien [9d?\]: There should be, what with q2
]
;W[gn]WL[1238]
;B[fo]BL[530]C[Namii [8d\]: Not after I messed up the lower left L&D
Namii [8d\]: That was too simple
]
;W[jq]WL[1226]
;B[er]BL[503]
;W[eq]WL[1219]
;B[fr]BL[372]
;W[dr]WL[1187]
;B[gq]BL[364]C[Namii [8d\]: no comment
Tien [9d?\]: There's no way tenuki is possible
Namii [8d\]: just B2 or so
Tien [9d?\]: B5 is fine, yes
]
(;W[ml]WL[1098]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
Tien [9d?\]: ...Yeah
]
;B[hm]BL[350]
;W[im]WL[1096]
;B[il]BL[328]
;W[hl]WL[1095]
;B[gm]BL[275]
;W[gl]WL[1094]
;B[fm]BL[246]
;W[km]WL[1092]
;B[bq]BL[197]
;W[bp]WL[1032]
;B[br]BL[145]
;W[ao]WL[958]
;B[bo]BL[129]
;W[bs]WL[951]
;B[dp]BL[114]
;W[cq]WL[947]
;B[ar]BL[90]C[Namii [8d\]: too simple :P
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, seems like there's nothing
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, next?
Tien [9d?\]: I can take the reins
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;W[lp]WL[853]
;B[mp]BL[65]
;W[lo]WL[833]
;B[mn]BL[56]
;W[mq]WL[810]
;B[mr]BL[48]
;W[nq]WL[777]
;B[nr]BL[43]
;W[lq]WL[774]
;B[oq]BL[37]
;W[hg]WL[713]
;B[he]BL[34]
;W[gd]WL[712]
;B[gf]BL[18]
;W[ff]WL[610]
;B[gg]BL[17]
;W[fh]WL[605]
;B[gh]BL[16]
;W[fi]WL[604]
;B[gi]BL[7]
;W[fj]WL[601]
;B[kg]BL[563]
;W[rd]WL[573]
;B[rn]BL[536]
;W[so]WL[528]
;B[re]BL[450]
;W[sn]WL[482]
;B[sm]BL[447]
;W[sl]WL[481]
;B[rm]BL[441]
;W[pi]WL[480]
;B[qi]BL[428]
;W[kh]WL[476]
;B[lg]BL[401]
;W[lh]WL[474]
;B[mg]BL[393]
;W[mh]WL[468]
;B[kn]BL[346]
;W[jm]WL[464]
;B[hn]BL[338]
;W[io]WL[461]
;B[be]BL[326]
;W[ng]WL[455]
;B[nf]BL[318]
;W[nh]WL[367]
;B[jf]BL[311]
;W[ih]WL[336]
;B[bc]BL[281]
;W[cb]WL[225]
;B[bb]BL[275]
;W[em]WL[196]
;B[fn]BL[253]
;W[bd]WL[149]
;B[ad]BL[249]
;W[ba]WL[143]
;B[fl]BL[208]
;W[ej]WL[133]
;B[di]BL[205]
;W[ek]WL[112]
;B[gj]BL[182])
(;W[br]C[Namii [8d\]: maybe B5?
])
(;W[bo]C[Namii [8d\]: I geuss K3 can't really die
Tien [9d?\]: It might
Tien [9d?\]: But I don't think white has another way
Tien [9d?\]: Black could even just play n8 next
Tien [9d?\]: White is still too busy
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[lg]C[Tien [9d?\]: No
Tien [9d?\]: J12
])
(;W[ih]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes ^^
Namii [8d\]: That's more like it
Finnish8d [-\]: has to be modest since b is way too strong around
Tien [9d?\]: And try to get sente for lower side
Tien [9d?\]: Well, shouldn't be possible
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Tien [9d?\]: Black might do something in the lower left now
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: but w has no choice
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]))
(;W[kc]
;B[kb]
;W[mc]C[Tien [9d?\]: At n18, I'll just defend
]
;B[lb]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[hb]C[Namii [8d\]: That is true and probably very highlighted in this game
Finnish8d [-\]: I guess this is good already, locally?
Tien [9d?\]: Isn't this way too forced, too?
Namii [8d\]: Seems so
Tien [9d?\]: I don't see what white gained
Namii [8d\]: After now my level deteriorates
Finnish8d [-\]: make b low and not alive :P
Tien [9d?\]: Just j18
]
;B[ib]
;W[je]C[Tien [9d?\]: White's shape is too weak to do anything, anyway
Tien [9d?\]: P18, please
]
;B[ob]
;W[nb]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: So either sente life or p17 for big endgame
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;B[oc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Cut
]
;W[oa]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, thanks
Tien [9d?\]: p16
Namii [8d\]: Ah, I even missed this
]
;B[od]
;W[he]C[Namii [8d\]: at this moment I wasn't thinking about anything else than going to sleep
Namii [8d\]: I feel very bad for the team
Namii [8d\]: hmm, this should survive
Tien [9d?\]: J15 or so
Namii [8d\]: but is w's gain enough
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe not :)
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Tien [9d?\]: Well, principally, after p18, black can defend
Tien [9d?\]: Back to j15
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe probably risky
Finnish8d [-\]: ah that is true
])
(;W[nb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Well...  I cannot do it :P
Tien [9d?\]: Black didn't even gain anything
Namii [8d\]: Hmm, actually this is doable, no?
Namii [8d\]: black has some shape issues
Namii [8d\]: hard to find a good shape now
Finnish8d [-\]: I know what Antti means ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Finnish8d [-\]: I cannot make this decision myself, but alright :P
]))
(;W[cl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cannot do this?
Namii [8d\]: I guess here I could play this one
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: this was my question while watching
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, so d8
]
;B[dl]
;W[ci]C[Tien [9d?\]: And no choice but to d11
Finnish8d [-\]: so w at least lives easier :P
]
;B[di]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: So white loses all his points like this
Tien [9d?\]: Main problem with getting b12 so early, I guess
]
(;W[ai]C[Tien [9d?\]: Still, b6 is black sente
])
(;W[bm]
;B[bn]
;W[bo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Ruthless way? :P
]
;B[an]
;W[ai]C[Tien [9d?\]: Only slightly better
Tien [9d?\]: B3 is still annoying
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: This invasion does feel negative
Namii [8d\]: Another immediate regret
Namii [8d\]: this game was full of those
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
])))
(;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[nr])
(;W[hk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, h9 feels good
Tien [9d?\]: Best one so far
Finnish8d [-\]: in fact I may still do this ^^
Namii [8d\]: I considered this too but it felt a bit "dame"
Mokki [3d\]: how is G14 for a move at top if Namii wants to aim at B12 later`?
Tien [9d?\]: H9 is quite huge, actually
Namii [8d\]: G14 is too thin
Finnish8d [-\]: it is points, for it takes away b potential profit ^^
Namii [8d\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: After this, k6 or so can become possible, even
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[jl]C[Namii [8d\]: I regretted this in the game
Finnish8d [-\]: so there is a weak group and you need another move for it ^^
]))
(;W[jp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[nc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah just want to say
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd still leave it
Tien [9d?\]: S15 maybe
]
(;W[pm]C[Tien [9d?\]: And k4 will help a lot, anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Namii [8d\]: Here I might start it
Tien [9d?\]: I still wouldn't, but now it looks possible
])
(;W[re]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok, so still balanced
Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling is s16
Tien [9d?\]: I want the outside because it looks sente :)
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah ok get it
Tien [9d?\]: But ok, forward
Finnish8d [-\]: so to prevent b  get that stone without costing a move
])))
(;W[qn]
;B[pn]
;W[qm]C[Namii [8d\]: At least I could get sente to play J4
]
;B[pm]
(;W[kq]C[Tien [9d?\]: R8, please
Namii [8d\]: Ah here, hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah just R4?
])
(;W[ql]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Hehe ok
]
;B[pl]
;W[rk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok now
]
(;B[qj]
;W[rj]
;B[qi]
;W[kp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe not r10
Finnish8d [-\]: Now probably high
Tien [9d?\]: Lower side instead
])
(;B[rj]
;W[qj]
;B[pk]
;W[ri]
;B[pj])
(;B[dp]
;W[cq]C[Tien [9d?\]: No reason to fight against
]
;B[hq]C[Tien [9d?\]: But to me, that q5 already feels wrong
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
Finnish8d [-\]: force himself to play on a wrong direction
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: White can anyway easily play like this
Finnish8d [-\]: I get it
Finnish8d [-\]: so we'd encourage that :P
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that's about right
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]))))
(;W[qn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Ah ok ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Kind of whole-board balancing
Finnish8d [-\]: To me that doesn't matter
Tien [9d?\]: Sure, it's even no matter what we do
Tien [9d?\]: But this looks simple for white to play
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: as w, yes
]))
(;B[qd]BL[3586]C[Musta: Juuso Nyyssönen 5 dan
Valkoinen: Tanguy Le Calvé 5 dan
M+2,5]
;W[dc]WL[3569]
;B[pp]BL[3561]
;W[dp]WL[3538]
;B[oc]BL[3551]
;W[qn]WL[3488]
;B[nq]BL[3517]
;W[qj]WL[3468]
;B[ql]BL[3497]
;W[rl]WL[3456]
;B[de]BL[3492]
;W[ce]WL[3430]
;B[cf]BL[3478]
;W[cd]WL[3428]
;B[cn]BL[3462]
;W[cj]WL[3333]
;B[fq]BL[3411]
;W[dn]WL[3300]
;B[cq]BL[3260]
;W[co]WL[3219]
;B[dq]BL[3258]
;W[cm]WL[3218]
;B[jd]BL[3239]
;W[qg]WL[3156]LB[pl:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
Finnish8d [-\]: so no one speaks on top left
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: I thought A instead
Tien [9d?\]: But oh well
]
;B[gc]BL[3108]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Ah still...
]
;W[df]WL[3107]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, there shouldn't be really anything so wrong yet
]
(;B[pi]BL[3014]
;W[qi]WL[3059]
;B[pf]BL[3009]C[Tien [9d?\]: So far it could have maybe been technically fine, but now I doubt about black
Finnish8d [-\]: Q11 doesn't feel right
]
(;W[pg]WL[2858]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, white resisted
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;B[og]BL[2996]
;W[pc]WL[2736]
;B[pd]BL[2941]
;W[ob]WL[2715]
;B[nc]BL[2921]
;W[nb]WL[2473]
;B[pb]BL[2897]
;W[mc]WL[2451]
;B[kc]BL[2881]
;W[me]WL[2424]
(;B[qc]BL[2853]C[Finnish8d [-\]: oh but
]
;W[mg]WL[2371]
;B[oh]BL[2761]
;W[qm]WL[2326]C[Namii [8d\]: N11 or nothing
Tien [9d?\]: K13? But that's, like, nothing
]
(;B[lf]BL[2602]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, black cuts himself
Finnish8d [-\]: if w runs towards the narrow way
]
;W[mf]WL[2302]
;B[nd]BL[2591]
;W[md]WL[2119]C[Namii [8d\]: :D
]
;B[jf]BL[2512]
;W[lh]WL[2059]C[Tien [9d?\]: White's leading now?
Finnish8d [-\]: K14 doesn't look right
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah definitely
Namii [8d\]: I get bad direction vibes there
]
;B[di]BL[2489]
(;W[cg]WL[2033]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah a lot better this way
]
;B[ci]BL[2456]
;W[dj]WL[2014]
;B[ei]BL[2454]
;W[ej]WL[2011]
;B[fi]BL[2444]
;W[jh]WL[2001]
;B[ef]BL[2424]
;W[dg]WL[1995]
;B[eg]BL[2376]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, black got a bit here
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: E10 is hard to understand...
Tien [9d?\]: It does feel like these players care a bit too much about points, too
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: I cannot see the direction of the game
]
;W[qq]WL[1971]
;B[qp]BL[2374]
;W[pq]WL[1944]
;B[oq]BL[2328]
;W[rp]WL[1940]
;B[ro]BL[2327]
;W[rq]WL[1938]
;B[qo]BL[2325]
;W[pr]WL[1919]
(;B[jp]BL[2297]C[Finnish8d [-\]: that far
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;W[lp]WL[1708]C[Tien [9d?\]: So white immediately challenges
Tien [9d?\]: Two space better?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I think 2 space is normal
]
;B[no]BL[2071]
;W[kp]WL[1449]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah?
Finnish8d [-\]: ok thanks ^^
Tien [9d?\]: 100% territory :)
Finnish8d [-\]: so H3 is points then
]
(;B[jq]BL[2044]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;W[mr]WL[1395]
;B[kr]BL[1597]
;W[lr]WL[1341]
;B[mn]BL[1589]
;W[kn]WL[1336]
;B[pl]BL[1545]
(;W[rn]WL[1323]C[Tien [9d?\]: Too obvious
]
;B[ll]BL[1544]
;W[ij]WL[995]
;B[ki]BL[1517]
;W[kh]WL[957]
;B[jl]BL[1512]
;W[kk]WL[956]
;B[kl]BL[1469]C[Tien [9d?\]: That black peep probably helped white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[or]WL[895]C[Tien [9d?\]: From here, white has a lead?
Finnish8d [-\]: w refuses to K5
Finnish8d [-\]: now I am not sure anymore :P
]
;B[sn]BL[1361]
;W[qk]WL[779]
;B[pn]BL[1336]
;W[lb]WL[751]
;B[qf]BL[1179]
;W[rg]WL[728]
;B[eb]BL[1133]
;W[ec]WL[699]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos quite a number of wrong moves happened
]
;B[db]BL[1130]
;W[cb]WL[695]
;B[fc]BL[1129]
;W[jb]WL[688]
;B[kb]BL[1127]
;W[ka]WL[685]
;B[ib]BL[1127]
;W[bp]WL[656]
;B[fj]BL[1099]C[Finnish8d [-\]: seems like w leads, yeas
Finnish8d [-\]: just have counted
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Tien [9d?\]: I thought so
Tien [9d?\]: The lower side was off for both, but white should have had a lead
]
;W[bj]WL[559]
;B[ji]BL[1015]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[ii]WL[525]
;B[lj]BL[991]
;W[hh]WL[524]
;B[ig]BL[988]
;W[ih]WL[520]
;B[mi]BL[949]
;W[gk]WL[463]
;B[fk]BL[931]
;W[gl]WL[462]
;B[ik]BL[914]
;W[hk]WL[423]
;B[gi]BL[895]
;W[il]WL[418]
;B[jk]BL[894]
;W[hj]WL[418]
;B[bi]BL[708]
;W[hp]WL[372]
;B[hq]BL[702]
;W[gp]WL[371]
;B[gq]BL[701]
;W[ia]WL[337]
;B[hb]BL[696]
;W[br]WL[312]
;B[dl]BL[653]
;W[cl]WL[270]
;B[aj]BL[626]
;W[bk]WL[266]
;B[sf]BL[597]
;W[rf]WL[242]
;B[re]BL[596]
;W[pm]WL[228]
;B[om]BL[594]
;W[rm]WL[228]
;B[ol]BL[588]
;W[bq]WL[169]
;B[sm]BL[576]
(;W[sk]WL[473]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]
;B[rh]BL[533]
;W[qh]WL[431]
;B[sg]BL[529]
;W[ri]WL[427]
;B[sh]BL[528]
;W[si]WL[422]C[Tien [9d?\]: Totally same, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: alright so w did it right
Tien [9d?\]: No difference at all
Finnish8d [-\]: no I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: in the other, w is dead :P
]
;B[se]BL[528]
;W[rj]WL[422]
;B[cr]BL[467]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, but then black does have a lead
Finnish8d [-\]: after the right side
]
;W[fp]WL[395]
;B[im]BL[447]
;W[hn]WL[378]
;B[nr]BL[403]
;W[ns]WL[376]
;B[ed]BL[367]
;W[da]WL[362]
;B[fb]BL[362]
;W[gg]WL[310]
;B[gf]BL[307]
;W[fl]WL[276]
;B[hm]BL[302]
;W[gm]WL[251]
;B[ek]BL[255]
;W[cs]WL[219]
;B[ds]BL[252]
;W[bs]WL[210]
;B[eq]BL[246]
;W[dd]WL[180]
;B[ee]BL[244]
;W[hg]WL[137]
;B[hf]BL[240]
;W[jj]WL[130]
;B[kj]BL[235]
;W[jc]WL[112]
;B[ic]BL[232]
;W[ja]WL[112]
;B[ha]BL[229]
;W[la]WL[110]
;B[ke]BL[222]
;W[in]WL[80]
;B[jm]BL[209]
;W[bg]WL[45]
;B[ep]BL[200]
;W[eo]WL[45]
;B[dk]BL[139]
;W[em]WL[30]
;B[ck]BL[119]
;W[bl]WL[26]
;B[jn]BL[97]
;W[sp]WL[584]
;B[so]BL[94]
;W[sl]WL[583]
;B[op]BL[61]
;W[mp]WL[551]
;B[ea]BL[576]
;W[ca]WL[545]
;B[ip]BL[531]
;W[kq]WL[532]
;B[jr]BL[525]
;W[mq]WL[529]
;B[cp]BL[509]
;W[do]WL[503]
;B[ho]BL[472]
;W[gn]WL[494]
;B[go]BL[469]
;W[fo]WL[492]
;B[io]BL[468]
;W[ln]WL[482]
;B[on]BL[407]
;W[lm]WL[473]
;B[mm]BL[406]
;W[lc]WL[448]
;B[kd]BL[405]
;W[nf]WL[359]
;B[of]BL[394]
;W[ne]WL[349]
;B[oe]BL[374]
;W[fg]WL[347]
;B[eh]BL[357]
;W[ff]WL[346]
;B[fe]BL[356]
;W[pk]WL[340]
;B[ok]BL[355]
;W[mh]WL[299]
;B[ni]BL[297]
;W[pj]WL[293]
;B[oj]BL[292]
;W[jg]WL[287]
;B[if]BL[290]
;W[ak]WL[274]
;B[ai]BL[284]
;W[pa]WL[257]
;B[qa]BL[283]
;W[oa]WL[249]
;B[dm]BL[279]
;W[bn]WL[246]
;B[ls]BL[271]
;W[hl]WL[233]
;B[ph]BL[255]
;W[ah]WL[573]
;B[bh]BL[251]
;W[ag]WL[567]
;B[ks]BL[247]
;W[ms]WL[565]
;B[ch]BL[597]
;W[kg]WL[556]
;B[kf]BL[594]
;W[ko]WL[544]
;B[mo]BL[589]
;W[bf]WL[543]
;B[jo]BL[582]
;W[li]WL[536]
;B[nh]BL[572]
;W[el]WL[534]
;B[]BL[565]
;W[]WL[511]
;B[]BL[565])
(;W[sl]
;B[so]C[Finnish8d [-\]: a few points difference this way, yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: might turn the game around this way
Finnish8d [-\]: then S10
]
(;W[sj]
;B[rk]
;W[sk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Finnish8d [-\]: that is fine
]
(;B[si])
(;B[rh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos now
Finnish8d [-\]: ah
]))
(;W[rj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: there won't be this
]
;B[rh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Same as game
Finnish8d [-\]: worse :P
Tien [9d?\]: ...Oh
Tien [9d?\]: Got it :)
])))
(;W[qk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah he thought he got more points the other way
Tien [9d?\]: While this gives the same points and gives something strategic too
Tien [9d?\]: Let's call this a game, then?
Finnish8d [-\]: probably ^^
Tien [9d?\]: I'll write a more coherent summary for the clean file
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Vesa comes just in time :)
]))
(;B[jo]C[Tien [9d?\]: Is it just me or is this way better? 
Finnish8d [-\]: this is better sure
]
;W[ln]
;B[nm]C[Finnish8d [-\]: both players care about M2 area in the game
Tien [9d?\]: Which is dame anyway
]))
(;B[kp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right, no need to go farther
Tien [9d?\]: Black has to fix his shape, first of all
]))
(;W[ci]
;B[dh]
;W[ef]C[Finnish8d [-\]: feels like w should fight against it
Tien [9d?\]: I thought like this
]))
(;B[lh]C[Namii [8d\]: This could be tough for w to handle
Namii [8d\]: so N12 and then shape with L14?
Tien [9d?\]: I didn't actually read anything, just playing dangerous-looking moves
Tien [9d?\]: But this does feel nice to me
Tien [9d?\]: More active
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe we can get something on the lower side
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, forward, I'm shortish on time
]
;W[mh]
;B[li]LB[qm:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I see
Tien [9d?\]: At least this would be slightly troublesome for white to play
Finnish8d [-\]: do we have to do this?
Tien [9d?\]: I get the feeling A is too early
Finnish8d [-\]: I may just simply do K13 here :P
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe not
]
(;W[kf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I am evaluating this risk :P
]
(;B[ig]C[Finnish8d [-\]: well I'd say, I cannot do it :P
Tien [9d?\]: I just want white to connect on dame, of course :)
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, actually
Finnish8d [-\]: with the right
]
;W[if]
;B[hg]C[Tien [9d?\]: Reduce the left side, then
Finnish8d [-\]: I see
Finnish8d [-\]: and you have N16 back door :P
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Tien [9d?\]: Because I didn't play the silly o16 :)
Finnish8d [-\]: that works ^^
])
(;B[nf]C[Tien [9d?\]: "thanks"
Tien [9d?\]: L14 is no shape
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[mf]
;B[ig]
;W[if]
;B[hg]))
(;W[mi])
(;W[ni]C[Tien [9d?\]: This way?
Finnish8d [-\]: no I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: if w does that
Finnish8d [-\]: you will reach your aim ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: And his challenge is to do something else
Finnish8d [-\]: I am not sure if top side can stand the enclosure ^^
Tien [9d?\]: That's a plan b
]))
(;B[rp]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'll rather take the corner then :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
]))
(;B[nf]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...Here, no?
Finnish8d [-\]: sure it is here
Finnish8d [-\]: and then it looks good
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: one sec
Tien [9d?\]: The liberty thing?
Finnish8d [-\]: w runs
]
(;W[qc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I am reading that
]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
(;W[rd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then atari
]
(;B[re]
;W[od]
;B[nd]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cut
]
;W[ne]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;B[qf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok :P
]
;W[re]
;B[rf]
;W[sb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but this w loses
Finnish8d [-\]: S19
]
;B[ra]C[Tien [9d?\]: Righty
Tien [9d?\]: M18 becomes sente, though
Tien [9d?\]: But still not worth it for white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[nd])
(;W[od]
;B[nd]
;W[oe]C[Finnish8d [-\]: turn first
]
;B[ne]
;W[rd]))
(;W[lb]C[Tien [9d?\]: What now :)
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
]
(;B[ld]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then take
])
(;B[qc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah also my order
Finnish8d [-\]: then it is mainly
Finnish8d [-\]: the 2 kosumi exchange
Finnish8d [-\]: still it is good
Tien [9d?\]: Righty
]))))
(;W[le]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just here, I guess?
Finnish8d [-\]: if w wanna do anything there, yes
]
;B[lc]
;W[pl]))
(;B[rk]
;W[qk]
;B[rm]
;W[pl]
;B[qm]
;W[pm]
;B[pn]
;W[rn]
;B[sl]
;W[qp]
;B[po]
;W[qq]
;B[rj]
;W[qi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: probably also not so ideal
]
(;B[ok]
;W[pk]
;B[oi]C[Tien [9d?\]: I kind of want to do like this
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: '
]
;W[og]C[Tien [9d?\]: But anyway, white is fine and now reduces the upper side easily
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;B[pq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Play it simple for now?
Finnish8d [-\]: so just do things normal
]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[qr]
;B[ip]C[Tien [9d?\]: Etc
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is still a game
Finnish8d [-\]: I like w though
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, s11 should be black's, actually
])
(;B[ri]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if you can get it
Tien [9d?\]: Is this annoying to white or not?
Namii [8d\]: Ouch, have to R12 here?
]
;W[og]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe jump
Finnish8d [-\]: more like this
Tien [9d?\]: But the shape is still a bit weak
Namii [8d\]: Ah right
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, not sure if worth it
Tien [9d?\]: Probably not
])))
(;B[pd]BL[3572]C[Musta: Jérôme Salignon 5 dan
Valkoinen: Vesa Laatikainen 5 dan
V+12.5]
;W[dp]WL[3590]
;B[qo]BL[3562]C[Finnish8d [-\]: That is a crazy one :P
Tien [9d?\]: Last game
snowman [-\]: eh
]
;W[dc]WL[3584]
;B[de]BL[3551]
;W[ce]WL[3569]
;B[dd]BL[3543]
;W[cd]WL[3566]
;B[ec]BL[3542]
;W[cf]WL[3560]
;B[db]BL[3530]
;W[cc]WL[3556]
;B[fe]BL[3488]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah hi ^^
Tien [9d?\]: What
Tien [9d?\]: Not a misclick?
Finnish8d [-\]: Seems not
snowman [-\]: french secret theory
Finnish8d [-\]: he believes in influence ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: wonder if you notice
Finnish8d [-\]: all 4 games
Finnish8d [-\]: French takes influence ^^
Tien [9d?\]: But, like, white might even cut immediately and get a good result?
Tien [9d?\]: Of course, tenuki is better
]
(;W[kc]WL[3477]
;B[mc]BL[3479]
;W[fc]WL[3467]LB[hc:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: that is too early ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Well, I'd just keep the distance with A I guess :)
Tien [9d?\]: Fix one weakness from black, poke at the other
]
;B[eb]BL[3383]
;W[fd]WL[3451]
;B[ed]BL[3380]
;W[ge]WL[3448]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot cut
]
(;B[gd]BL[3257]
;W[ff]WL[3408]
;B[gc]BL[3250]
;W[ee]WL[3403]
;B[fb]BL[3249]
;W[df]WL[3399]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, but the result looks acceptable
Finnish8d [-\]: now it is fine
]
;B[he]BL[3244]
;W[hf]WL[3380]
;B[fe]BL[3238]
;W[fd]WL[3374]
;B[ie]BL[3237]
;W[me]WL[3345]
;B[oc]BL[3168]C[Finnish8d [-\]: though I prefer not do it ^^
]
(;W[nb]WL[3317]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if w tenuki at like D6
Finnish8d [-\]: I think w is good
]
;B[nc]BL[3151]
;W[ke]WL[3312]
;B[if]BL[3149]
;W[kg]WL[3259]
;B[hg]BL[3146]
;W[gf]WL[3254]C[Namii [8d\]: This is a bit damaging to white's moyo, yes
]
(;B[ic]BL[3101]
;W[ig]WL[3240]C[Tien [9d?\]: And now white goes there anyway
]
;B[jg]BL[3092]
;W[ih]WL[3237]
;B[jh]BL[3090]
;W[ii]WL[3231]
;B[ji]BL[3088]
;W[ij]WL[3229]
;B[jj]BL[3076]
(;W[jk]WL[3223]C[Namii [8d\]: Wait, J17 is ok?
Tien [9d?\]: Feels slow to me
Finnish8d [-\]: it is
Tien [9d?\]: K9 is probably too much, too
Tien [9d?\]: The cut is still hard to manage
]
;B[ik]BL[3071]
;W[hk]WL[3206]
;B[il]BL[3070]
;W[kk]WL[3148]
;B[li]BL[3027]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
(;W[jf]WL[3135]
(;B[lg]BL[2996]C[Namii [8d\]: J17 can't compare to that kind of a thick connection in the center, even if w J17 is a bit painful
Finnish8d [-\]: feels like w must push H8
Finnish8d [-\]: no matter what happenes on the top
Tien [9d?\]: But m13 seems off, too
]
;W[mg]WL[3110]
;B[lh]BL[2990]
;W[lf]WL[3104]
;B[nf]BL[2985]
;W[mf]WL[3098]
(;B[oh]BL[2880]
;W[lc]WL[3091]
(;B[mb]BL[2862]
;W[nh]WL[3075]
;B[ni]BL[2857]
;W[og]WL[3058]
;B[oi]BL[2843]
;W[oe]WL[3048]
;B[eg]BL[2780]
(;W[ef]WL[3040]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
]
;B[hj]BL[2774]C[Namii [8d\]: C15 is a strong group after all
Tien [9d?\]: Now it's "yeouch"
]
;W[hh]WL[2999]C[Namii [8d\]: at least b's E14 cut wouldn't immediately lead to anything
]
;B[gh]BL[2608]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[gg]WL[2995]
;B[gl]BL[2569]
;W[gk]WL[2942]
;B[fk]BL[2562]C[Namii [8d\]: G12 is aji keshi
]
;W[gj]WL[2935]
;B[hl]BL[2521]
;W[fj]WL[2885]
;B[ej]BL[2502]
;W[fl]WL[2872]
;B[ek]BL[2496]
;W[fh]WL[2870]
;B[fm]BL[2217]
;W[el]WL[2865]
;B[dl]BL[2216]
;W[em]WL[2860]
;B[en]BL[2215]
;W[dm]WL[2857]
;B[cm]BL[2213]
;W[dn]WL[2855]
;B[do]BL[2212]
;W[cn]WL[2853]
;B[co]BL[2210]
;W[bn]WL[2850]C[Namii [8d\]: whaaatt
Tien [9d?\]: I doubted black's plan at the time
Finnish8d [-\]: thanks to b this strategy
Tien [9d?\]: But ultimately, it's actually quite nice
]
;B[eo]BL[2084]
;W[gm]WL[2845]
;B[fn]BL[2080]
(;W[cl]WL[2803]
;B[bo]BL[1929]C[Namii [8d\]: You think so?
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, right
]
(;W[jm]WL[2773]
(;B[hm]BL[1904]
;W[bm]WL[2756]
;B[jo]BL[1718]
;W[ko]WL[2749]
;B[kp]BL[1702]
;W[lp]WL[2688]
;B[lo]BL[1665]
;W[kn]WL[2683]
;B[jp]BL[1664]
;W[mj]WL[2656]
;B[mp]BL[1456]C[Namii [8d\]: B believes this is enough
]
;W[lq]WL[2636]
;B[mq]BL[1455]
;W[mi]WL[2628]
(;B[ol]BL[1441]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if bottom is all his
Tien [9d?\]: Not with this kind of shape, no
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that's more reasonable
]
;W[ok]WL[2496]
;B[pk]BL[1422]
;W[pl]WL[2465]C[snowman [-\]: maybe he meant ikkentobi
]
;B[nk]BL[1307]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or ogeima
]
;W[om]WL[2458]
;B[nl]BL[1297]
;W[mo]WL[2429]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now it's close to over?
Namii [8d\]: Oh, that's nice
Namii [8d\]: now it can't be enough for b
]
;B[ln]BL[1279]C[Finnish8d [-\]: point wise..
]
;W[lm]WL[2425]
;B[mn]BL[1278]
;W[mm]WL[2422]
;B[no]BL[1277]
;W[nn]WL[2417]
;B[mo]BL[1276]
;W[nm]WL[2416]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if b holds the whole bottom, b has it
]
;B[pg]BL[1212]
;W[qk]WL[2400]
;B[pj]BL[1183]
;W[pn]WL[2319]
;B[po]BL[1160]
;W[pf]WL[2302]
;B[ng]BL[1155]
;W[mh]WL[2295]
;B[qf]BL[1152]
;W[of]WL[2231]
;B[qg]BL[1130]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Namii [8d\]: True, w doesn't have that much finally
Tien [9d?\]: White is at 80 + komi + sente
Tien [9d?\]: Black's top side is at least 30
Tien [9d?\]: 35, perhaps
Tien [9d?\]: So lower side 60 or more
Tien [9d?\]: Seems doable
Tien [9d?\]: So, white must invade, still
]
;W[ho]WL[2217]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
(;B[in]BL[1091]
;W[fq]WL[2205]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...Yeah, that's tough
Finnish8d [-\]: must be something on teh 2nd line
]
(;B[dq]BL[992]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, seems it lived now
snowman [-\]: after d3, i knew i could live
Namii [8d\]: how to kill something like this though? :)
]
;W[dr]WL[2195]
;B[cq]BL[981]
;W[iq]WL[2157]
;B[er]BL[945]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I know after this hane :P
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;W[fr]WL[2143]
;B[eq]BL[939]
;W[kr]WL[2122]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, was there something else
Tien [9d?\]: This is basically the main last thing in our review :)
Tien [9d?\]: After that start
Namii [8d\]: I agree, too many problems in black's shape
]
;B[mr]BL[703]
;W[jq]WL[2104]
;B[kq]BL[647]
;W[lr]WL[2099]
;B[ls]BL[645]
;W[js]WL[2095]
;B[gp]BL[537]
;W[hp]WL[2029]
;B[gn]BL[467]
;W[gq]WL[2024]
;B[hr]BL[280]
;W[ir]WL[2017]
;B[ms]BL[273]
;W[hs]WL[1979]
;B[ks]BL[264]
;W[gr]WL[1911]
;B[jr]BL[260]
;W[kr]WL[1903]
;B[rm]BL[176]
;W[qm]WL[1883]
;B[rl]BL[170]
;W[ql]WL[1880]
;B[rj]BL[52]
;W[rk]WL[1866]
;B[rn]BL[40]
;W[qj]WL[1841]
;B[qi]BL[33]
;W[ri]WL[1837]
;B[rh]BL[30]
;W[nj]WL[1830]
;B[oj]BL[28]
;W[sj]WL[1827]
;B[jb]BL[8]
;W[es]WL[1812]
;B[cr]BL[3]
;W[lb]WL[1771]
;B[ma]BL[593]
;W[ph]WL[1740]
;B[qh]BL[509]
;W[cb]WL[1718]
;B[je]BL[479]
;W[kf]WL[1710]
;B[jl]BL[478]
;W[kl]WL[1699]
;B[ca]BL[409]
;W[ba]WL[1695]
;B[da]BL[408]
;W[ao]WL[1693]
;B[ap]BL[406]
;W[an]WL[1691]
;B[cp]BL[394]
;W[bb]WL[1682]
;B[lr]BL[364]
;W[fp]WL[1666]
;B[go]BL[344]
;W[jr]WL[1655]
;B[pe]BL[283]
;W[mk]WL[1638]
;B[od]BL[276]
;W[ne]WL[1634]
;B[pi]BL[275]
;W[ml]WL[1631]
;B[ok]BL[249]
;W[ka]WL[1611]
;B[jc]BL[193]
;W[sl]WL[1601]
;B[sh]BL[161]
;W[qn]WL[1591]
;B[ds]BL[140]
;W[ro]WL[1581]
;B[rp]BL[136]
;W[sm]WL[1578]
;B[so]BL[133]
;W[ja]WL[1571]
;B[ia]BL[132]
;W[fs]WL[1520]
;B[si]BL[73]
;W[ep]WL[1507]
;B[oo]BL[67]
;W[jd]WL[1476]
;B[id]BL[65]
;W[kd]WL[1473]
;B[md]BL[56]
;W[on]WL[1453]
;B[ip]BL[48]
;W[ld]WL[1443]
;B[sn]BL[598]
;W[sk]WL[1440]
;B[rj]BL[593]
;W[fe]WL[1429]
;B[fc]BL[592]
;W[ri]WL[1420]
;B[jn]BL[590]
;W[km]WL[1418]
;B[rj]BL[589]
;W[cs]WL[1392]
;B[bs]BL[587]
;W[ri]WL[1390]
;B[nd]BL[566]
;W[rj]WL[1386]
;B[la]BL[561]
;W[kb]WL[1384]
;B[hn]BL[556]
;W[hq]WL[1382]
;B[io]BL[555]
;W[im]WL[1380]
;B[fo]BL[554]
;W[]WL[1373]
;B[]BL[553]
;W[]WL[1373])
(;B[dr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if b wants to do it
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this 
Namii [8d\]: it may give you a tiger shape that way
Namii [8d\]: And in any case this analysis may not be that important
]
(;W[er]
;B[dq]
;W[iq]C[Tien [9d?\]: But still, to kill a group like this
]
;B[gr]LB[gn:A]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, maybe
Tien [9d?\]: But the A aji is annoyingh
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: you can also consider bumping at D3 instead of E2
])
(;W[dq]
;B[er]C[Namii [8d\]: F4
]
;W[fp]
;B[cq]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm
Tien [9d?\]: I think this is dead soon
Namii [8d\]: Ah
Namii [8d\]: not that much threat pulling G7 out
Tien [9d?\]: And ladder, too
Finnish8d [-\]: you need J3 to make it more powerful
])
(;W[iq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Perhaps directly there
Finnish8d [-\]: maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: is it possible to go directly from the right, instead of D2?
Tien [9d?\]: Unless black tries something like g2 now
]
;B[jr]C[Tien [9d?\]: This has to be to prevent white l2 or so, anyway
]
(;W[er]C[Finnish8d [-\]: block is sente?
]
;B[dq]
;W[gr]C[Tien [9d?\]: This is alive already, probably?
Namii [8d\]: How much was white behind?
Finnish8d [-\]: push?
]
;B[ir]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, not yet
])
(;W[ir]
(;B[fr]C[Tien [9d?\]: I'll challenge you
Finnish8d [-\]: hane first
]
;W[gr]
;B[eq]
;W[jq]
;B[kr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: L3
]
;W[kq]
;B[lr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then H6?
]
;W[hn]
;B[im]
;W[gn]
;B[hp]
;W[gp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, you have more here
])
(;B[gp]C[Tien [9d?\]: So must be peep
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is the real question :P
]
;W[jq]
;B[kr]
;W[kq]
;B[lr]C[Tien [9d?\]: Back here
]
;W[dq]
;B[cr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and tiger
]
;W[er]
;B[fp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: oh this...
]))
(;W[jq]
;B[kr]
(;W[go]C[Finnish8d [-\]: still not enough
Tien [9d?\]: Can we make it like this?
Tien [9d?\]: No?
Finnish8d [-\]: if b just answers
]
;B[gn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: G6
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, ok
])
(;W[gp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Fine then
Finnish8d [-\]: push?
Finnish8d [-\]: J4
Tien [9d?\]: Looks like life alright
Finnish8d [-\]: this way yes
Tien [9d?\]: Well, I don't think black had any promising alternatives
]
;B[ip]
;W[hq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
]))))
(;B[hq]
;W[bq]C[Tien [9d?\]: I don't believe this can be killed
Namii [8d\]: I mean, it could take hours to reach a definite conclusion
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Namii, right
Finnish8d [-\]: sure ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: so probably
Finnish8d [-\]: J6 asked too much
Tien [9d?\]: I neeed to be finishing at around here, too
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]))
(;B[hq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Probably this could still make for a black win
])
(;B[fq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or this?
]
;W[in]
(;B[hq])
(;B[hn]
;W[io]
;B[hq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just thinking about if w catches up this way
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Tien [9d?\]: Might be
Tien [9d?\]: Namii, could you clean the files this time?
Tien [9d?\]: I don't seem to have time for the rest of the night
Namii [8d\]: Hmm
Tien [9d?\]: If not possible, I can do this tomorrow morning
Tien [9d?\]: Probably
Namii [8d\]: The cleaning-up is nice but I'm not sure I could do it that well
Namii [8d\]: you have some sort of a good methodology for it
Namii [8d\]: I would really start considering what to include and whatnot
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, I'll do it tomorrow then
Namii [8d\]: All right, thanks
])))
(;B[mn]C[snowman [-\]: he explained this as a misclick
Tien [9d?\]: But still, that bottom
Tien [9d?\]: Ah
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
]))
(;B[hn]
;W[bm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Because white needs this gote
Tien [9d?\]: Just look at that rest of the board
]
;B[np]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hop in, make one living group
Namii [8d\]: No way to avoid the gote?
Tien [9d?\]: That's all you're going to get
Finnish8d [-\]: if b is rational ^^
Namii [8d\]: but originally B7 instead of C8
Tien [9d?\]: So then white can fight this
]))
(;B[bm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Otherwise, white has no solution to this, but to fold
]
;W[dk]
;B[an]
;W[dl]C[snowman [-\]: d9 connection is also doable
]
(;B[bl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Oh
])
(;B[dj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: oh
Finnish8d [-\]: you mean that?
snowman [-\]: for black
Namii [8d\]: I thought B7 instead of C8 maybe?
Namii [8d\]: Yeah this line I wouldn't play
Tien [9d?\]: What about this then
Namii [8d\]: but B7 instead of C8?
]
(;W[bl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I don't think white can accept this scenario
Namii [8d\]: Right, the capture is honte
Tien [9d?\]: Even if there's a ko or something
]
(;B[bj]C[Tien [9d?\]: This white collapses, I guess?
Tien [9d?\]: Well, some crazy ko
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know
Finnish8d [-\]: also hard to b
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
])
(;B[cj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but w may compromise with bad shape hane?
]))
(;W[cj]C[Tien [9d?\]: This?
snowman [-\]: the aji would be nagging the brains through the whole game anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: ah nvm
Finnish8d [-\]: no liberty
])))
(;B[dk]
;W[bl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Tien [9d?\]: No, this looks impossible?
Finnish8d [-\]: impossible
]))
(;W[bm]C[Namii [8d\]: B5 sente now?
Namii [8d\]: There are some problems in black's shape here, liberty-related
Namii [8d\]: instead of B10 C9 should also win the semeai, but B10 seems better
Finnish8d [-\]: seems right
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, looks like it
Tien [9d?\]: So black has to tenuki now
Tien [9d?\]: And then it's playable to white
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
(;B[bo]
;B[cl]C[Namii [8d\]: B8
]
;W[bl]
;B[cj]
;W[bj]
;B[bi]
;W[ck]
;B[dk]
;W[bk]
;B[ci]
;W[ei]
;B[dj]
;W[bh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok
])
(;B[hn]
;W[lp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Something here, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Well, still not an easy game, but big improvement over the other one
])))
(;W[gh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Chance to defend?
Finnish8d [-\]: yes yes
Namii [8d\]: That's my intuition too
Finnish8d [-\]: so to release some pressure
snowman [-\]: yeah :)
]))
(;B[ni]C[Finnish8d [-\]: that P12 feels wrong
Namii [8d\]: but yeah I kind of see why Jeff would want to push at H8
Tien [9d?\]: I'd go here immediately
Finnish8d [-\]: helped w a lot
]))
(;B[ni]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Jump, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: directly here
]))
(;B[lj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Make it bigger, no
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Finnish8d [-\]: I mean
Namii [8d\]: Black doesn't need to play so strongly as m13
Finnish8d [-\]: w probably doesn't want K14
]))
(;W[hl]
;B[im]LB[jk:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just push
Finnish8d [-\]: and gamble
Tien [9d?\]: ...I really don't want this push
Tien [9d?\]: If white does this, he says A was a mistake
Finnish8d [-\]: it was :P
Tien [9d?\]: And gets something  that looks like a terrible result
])
(;W[jn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but H8 is too painful a turn...
Tien [9d?\]: Gamble hard? :)
Namii [8d\]: This is too thin even for me
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't believe it :P
Tien [9d?\]: Haha
]))
(;W[ik]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just nobi
Finnish8d [-\]: a good gambling I'd say ^^
]
;B[jk]
;W[jl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now hane, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah now it is fine
Tien [9d?\]: That one liberty is huge
]
;B[il]
;W[im]
;B[hl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
(;W[jm])
(;W[kl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot do it
])))
(;B[ih]C[Tien [9d?\]: I think I'll just go here
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah of course centre is crucial
Namii [8d\]: Right
]))
(;W[dn]LB[oc:B][me:A]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I know
Tien [9d?\]: A-B is fine, I guess?
Finnish8d [-\]: that is fine yeah
snowman [-\]: it felt good
])
(;W[dm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hehe, ok
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe two-space
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
]))
(;B[gf]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hane, or?
Finnish8d [-\]: hane is good yes
]
;W[ff]
;B[fg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[fe]
;B[df]C[Finnish8d [-\]: mainly the corner suffers 
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, this black is better
]))
(;W[ed]C[Tien [9d?\]: I cannot see what black does
Finnish8d [-\]: probably he plans to nobi
]
;B[fc]
;W[ee]
;B[fd]
;W[ef]
;B[kd]C[Tien [9d?\]: Like this, huh
Finnish8d [-\]: something there yes
])))
