(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian]
PW[White]PB[Black]DT[2014-02-26]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Pandanet Go European Team Championship 2013/2014

League A 2013/2014 - Round 6 

Finland vs. Serbia   2 – 2 (0101)

Tien [9d?\]: Lisääs oikea väki listalle seuraavaksi
Namii [7d\]: Kaikki pelaajat on
Namii [7d\]: Tosin sekä Kettu että Werf puuttuu
Namii [7d\]: (KGS:stä siis)
Namii [7d\]: Jeff can have the master rights :P
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah ok
]MULTIGOGM[1]RR[Normal]VW[]
(;B[pd]BL[3586]C[White: Dusan Mitic, 6 dan
Black: Antti Törmänen, 7 dan

Result: W+Res]
;W[dp]WL[3590]
;B[pp]BL[3578]
;W[dc]WL[3575]
;B[pj]BL[3555]
;W[nc]WL[3568]
;B[pf]BL[3546]
;W[kd]WL[3430]
;B[jp]BL[3518]
;W[hq]WL[3395]
;B[ho]BL[3486]
;W[fq]WL[3389]
;B[df]BL[3458]
;W[fd]WL[3291]
;B[pn]BL[3438]
;W[di]WL[3141]
;B[iq]BL[3379]
;W[hp]WL[3128]
;B[io]BL[3372]
;W[cd]WL[2819]
;B[jj]BL[3347]
;W[pq]WL[2717]
;B[oq]BL[3285]
;W[or]WL[2680]
;B[op]BL[3143]
;W[pr]WL[2619]
;B[nr]BL[3125]
;W[qp]WL[2581]
;B[qo]BL[3122]
;W[rp]WL[2577]
;B[ck]BL[3074]
;W[cj]WL[2496]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, e9 is a definite minus
]
(;B[ek]BL[3042]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
Tien [9d?\]: Should be extend?
Finnish8d [-\]: that is how I feel
Tien [9d?\]: No need for black to play light h ere
Finnish8d [-\]: cos centre is no longer big, especially the bottom left centre area
Finnish8d [-\]: or I mean
Tien [9d?\]: And then black can actually use c12, maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is a possibility
]
;W[fi]WL[2473]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, onwards
]
;B[jg]BL[2904]
;W[gj]WL[2236]
;B[cm]BL[2857]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, white got a lot of free points now
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: but I guess this move is needed after the jump shape
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: so still it is the jump
]
;W[co]WL[2163]C[Tien [9d?\]: E9 is the only mistake so far, feels like
]
;B[ie]BL[2789]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[mf]WL[2012]
;B[ic]BL[2734]
;W[jc]WL[1976]
;B[ff]BL[2672]
;W[eg]WL[1969]
;B[fg]BL[2538]
;W[dg]WL[1856]
;B[bj]BL[2414]
;W[bl]WL[1655]C[Namii [7d\]: B8 must be the culprit
Tien [9d?\]: Sure
Finnish8d [-\]: so this peep should take the responsibility
]
;B[eh]BL[2334]
;W[ci]WL[1416]
;B[bk]BL[2308]
;W[cl]WL[1345]
;B[dk]BL[2291]
;W[fh]WL[1289]
;B[bm]BL[2282]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then I guess this made it back to even, huh
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this obviously b gained
]
;W[ef]WL[1213]
;B[jb]BL[2175]
;W[kb]WL[1202]
;B[pb]BL[2161]
;W[qh]WL[1167]
;B[qf]BL[2109]
;W[qj]WL[1081]
;B[qk]BL[2087]
;W[pi]WL[1076]
;B[oj]BL[2070]
;W[rk]WL[1065]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cannot ko it?
Finnish8d [-\]: nobi is pretty submissive
Tien [9d?\]: Now it feels like definitely should
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Even if black loses the ko, black's loss on the right is small
Finnish8d [-\]: also bottom right corner is also a ko, so there are threats
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: It's not like black's getting r8 is much worse thant white r8, black p8
Tien [9d?\]: And for that, black gets two moves in a row elsewhere
Finnish8d [-\]: exactly
]
(;B[ql]BL[1975]
;W[gl]WL[1034]
;B[hk]BL[1869]
;W[gk]WL[963]
;B[fm]BL[1825]
;W[ri]WL[847]
;B[rr]BL[1741]
;W[qr]WL[740]
;B[ib]BL[1657]
;W[ob]WL[579]
;B[oc]BL[1643]
;W[nb]WL[554]
(;B[le]BL[1466]
;W[jf]WL[594]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wrong order, looks like
Tien [9d?\]: k16 before m14
Namii [7d\]: Right
Namii [7d\]: No reason for B to save the K16 hane if he is going to do it anyway
]
;B[if]BL[1379]
;W[kf]WL[569]
(;B[lf]BL[1253]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now
]
;W[kg]WL[517]C[Tien [9d?\]: J12 area shouldn't be valued
]
;B[lg]BL[1234]
;W[jh]WL[503]
;B[jd]BL[1161]
;W[ke]WL[488]
;B[kc]BL[1158]C[Tien [9d?\]: And I got to close the gap with m11
]
;W[lc]WL[418]
;B[li]BL[1098]C[Tien [9d?\]: So is this the kind of game where I have better technique all over but am not ready to do anything drastic for the win?
Tien [9d?\]: Namii, did you add Mokki, too?
Namii [7d\]: I feel a bit bad for letting w J13
Namii [7d\]: M14 omittable?
Finnish8d [-\]: my description will be like, you know how to take care of the country's economy well in general, but also you spend way too much :P
Finnish8d [-\]: those few moves spent huge
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Tien [9d?\]: Also m16 and m18 remaining
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
]
;W[jc]WL[396]
;B[gc]BL[1028]
;W[rg]WL[363]
;B[fc]BL[908]
;W[ig]WL[264]
;B[hr]BL[823]
;W[gr]WL[208]
(;B[im]BL[805]
;W[oi]WL[162]
;B[ni]BL[773]
;W[nh]WL[161]
;B[mi]BL[729]
;W[qc]WL[154]C[Tien [9d?\]: After that, I guess we're done for this game
]
;B[pc]BL[724]
;W[qb]WL[138]
;B[pa]BL[683]
;W[re]WL[91]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right, like this b cannot have enough
Namii [7d\]: Surprisingly little to say about this game
Tien [9d?\]: As I expected :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ok, so we switch to Namii's?
Tien [9d?\]: The centre plan in general still seemed fine, it was the details that mattered
Namii [7d\]: Sure. That one we didn't review at all yet
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, let's go
]
;B[nd]BL[652]
;W[ec]WL[60]
;B[bh]BL[612]
;W[bi]WL[29]
;B[ai]BL[608]
;W[bg]WL[29]
;B[ee]BL[554]
;W[de]WL[22]
;B[ld]BL[524]
;W[kc]WL[20]
;B[os]BL[445]
;W[rs]WL[17]
;B[rl]BL[429]
;W[bn]WL[13]
;B[rq]BL[390]
;W[qq]WL[12]
;B[sr]BL[385]
;W[ps]WL[11]
;B[sp]BL[384]
;W[ro]WL[10]
;B[rn]BL[383]
;W[so]WL[591]
;B[ns]BL[380]
;W[sq]WL[589]
;B[rf]BL[368]
;W[sf]WL[587]
;B[sp]BL[367]
;W[po]WL[557]
;B[oo]BL[362]
;W[sq]WL[556]
;B[sk]BL[266]
;W[rj]WL[539]
;B[sp]BL[264]
;W[qn]WL[537]
;B[qm]BL[193]
;W[sq]WL[535]
;B[hg]BL[120]
;W[hh]WL[524]
;B[sp]BL[101]
;W[dl]WL[519]
;B[dm]BL[81]
;W[el]WL[517]
;B[fl]BL[79]
;W[am]WL[514]
;B[em]BL[73]
;W[al]WL[511]
;B[fk]BL[65]
;W[sq]WL[505]
;B[gh]BL[16]
;W[hi]WL[490]
;B[eo]BL[554]
;W[ge]WL[480]
;B[fe]BL[453]
;W[ed]WL[368]
;B[gd]BL[445]
;W[hf]WL[363]
;B[eb]BL[388]
;W[db]WL[356]
;B[fb]BL[339]
;W[ss]WL[338]
;B[ag]BL[317]
;W[bf]WL[324]
;B[ch]BL[300]
;W[dh]WL[311]
;B[ep]BL[291]
;W[dq]WL[300]
;B[ir]BL[275]
;W[ik]WL[245]
;B[jk]BL[222]
;W[il]WL[238]
;B[jl]BL[219]
;W[mh]WL[559]
;B[mg]BL[206]
;W[ng]WL[533]
;B[nf]BL[178]
;W[of]WL[521]
;B[ne]BL[168]
;W[oe]WL[482]
;B[qd]BL[148]
;W[rd]WL[480]
;B[lh]BL[140]
;W[pg]WL[472]
;B[od]BL[115]
;W[qa]WL[469]
;B[gp]BL[109]
;W[fp]WL[465]
;B[go]BL[104]
;W[gq]WL[463]
;B[do]BL[95]
;W[bp]WL[452]
;B[da]BL[70]
;W[ca]WL[449]
;B[ea]BL[68]
;W[bb]WL[448]
;B[he]BL[55]
;W[gg]WL[445]
;B[eq]BL[46]
;W[er]WL[443]
;B[hl]BL[38]
;W[ij]WL[441]
;B[gm]BL[596]
;W[hj]WL[439]
;B[hm]BL[593]
;W[gs]WL[427]
;B[fo]BL[581]
;W[hs]WL[422]
;B[is]BL[572]
;W[af]WL[420]
;B[ah]BL[568]
;W[cg]WL[417]
;B[aj]BL[567]
;W[ji]WL[401]
;OS[Avari][CNID][Faidra][FreddaSWE][FrenchDude][Gardan][HAWK1111][Hokuto][JeffChang][Juippi][Kerkere][Kettu][Kyumato][Lumia920][Ming][MythTW][Namii][Nilatarion][Nisikawa][Ottoovs][Palomies][QBeamus][RBerenguel][Razgun][Ron1n1990][Seagal][Shved][Skeletor][Trinite][Welvang][Werfeus][YliGo][Zebrfis8][asten][b7k][baldur][barrskog][betterlife][breakfast][bzz][dbg723][devaourer][elias][enaskil][fj][fk3586][floating][fukurokuji][gisa][goantti][gus37][guta57][hamete][hary][illegal][inquire][jiri][joachim][jojo][kare][kimyu][kksmun][leemoder][lyndia][mdcl][mi7098][michealc][mito6700][mtp][nidza92][nnk][nomadic][notevenbad][ploum][puerhista][quanwliu][rpablo007][sammyk][sasakuma][sawara123][shanefa][squalleon3][stabata][sugi1996go][suntwu][tomihisa][zeetee][zenn])
(;B[rf]C[Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, that's way too slow
Finnish8d [-\]: Now this is too obvious ^^
Namii [7d\]: Yeah we arrived to the conclusion earlier ^^
]))
(;B[jd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok get it ^^
]
(;W[kc]
;B[lf]C[Tien [9d?\]: But actually, does m14 lose now, too
Tien [9d?\]: White'd just play l15 anyway
]
;W[ke]C[Tien [9d?\]: Before l17'
])
(;W[ke]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is a possibility too
Tien [9d?\]: M15 is cleanly dead n ow
Finnish8d [-\]: so M15 might just be a premature action
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, I get the feeling game is fine
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
])))
(;B[jd]
;W[kc]
;B[le]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, not this early, probably
]))
(;B[rj]C[Namii [7d\]: Yeah, R8 is not that valuable
]))
(;B[dk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Tien [9d?\]: Jump for white, I guess
Namii [7d\]: The jump also puts less pressure on white's two stones
]
;W[fi]
;B[bp]
;W[cp]
;B[bo]
;W[bq]
;B[cn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Something like that, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]))
(;B[pd]BL[3570]C[White: Juri Kuronen, 6 dan
Black: Nikola Mitic, 5 dan

Result: W+Res]
;W[dd]WL[3550]
;B[qp]BL[3566]
;W[dq]WL[3543]
;B[do]BL[3564]
;W[oq]WL[3540]
;B[fp]BL[3412]
;W[qf]WL[3365]
;B[er]BL[3179]
;W[nc]WL[3353]
;B[oe]BL[3177]
;W[qc]WL[3349]
;B[mq]BL[3175]
;W[po]WL[3282]
(;B[pp]BL[2946]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe I think he can choose that way here ^^
Namii [7d\]: Play the normal joseki and white settles with R3, that was my plan
Tien [9d?\]: I'd push twice as black
Finnish8d [-\]: after all to push on the 3rd line on the right side is not so beneficial
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I see
Namii [7d\]: Let's take a look
Tien [9d?\]: Can we see quickly?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: but is this push and cut wrong here? I guess that is ok :P
]
;W[op]WL[3280]
;B[oo]BL[2944]
;W[no]WL[3280]
;B[on]BL[2943]
;W[mp]WL[3279]
;B[lp]BL[2941]
;W[lo]WL[3251]
;B[kp]BL[2938]C[Namii [7d\]: I have no idea how this all should go
]
;W[ko]WL[3249]
;B[jp]BL[2937]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, back to business :)
]
;W[ro]WL[3248]C[Tien [9d?\]: What's going on, I don't get it
Namii [7d\]: :D
Namii [7d\]: I was playing sum moves
Finnish8d [-\]: just joseki, complicated one ^^
Mokki [3d\]: yeah, this seems like tenuki wars
Namii [7d\]: Tenuki wars is the essence of this fuseki
Tien [9d?\]: Feels like three joseki
Namii [7d\]: everyone plays this nowadays
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah 3 joseki
Tien [9d?\]: I didn't understand if they work together or not, yet
]
;B[qr]BL[2925]
;W[qo]WL[3247]
;B[or]BL[2915]
;W[pq]WL[3244]
;B[qq]BL[2913]
;W[pr]WL[3243]
;B[nq]BL[2905]
;W[np]WL[3242]C[Tien [9d?\]: R14, hmm
]
;B[ps]BL[2904]C[Namii [7d\]: Right. That sort of judgment is very hard to do. Only competitive pros can have a hunch about it
]
;W[nr]WL[3242]
;B[os]BL[2900]
;W[mr]WL[3240]
;B[lq]BL[2885]
;W[nn]WL[3239]
;B[om]BL[2875]
;W[rq]WL[3238]
;B[rs]BL[2867]
;W[nm]WL[3221]
;B[ol]BL[2816]
;W[ql]WL[3220]C[Mokki [3d\]: to me this looked like a battle of wills doing the game
Finnish8d [-\]: b may have reason to be happy here slightly
Finnish8d [-\]: cos G2 is no longer a problem 
Tien [9d?\]: I'm still confused
Finnish8d [-\]: also P15 is at high position to work with the fighting
Tien [9d?\]: I wouldn't mind this white, I think
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;B[nl]BL[2798]
;W[ml]WL[3192]
;B[mk]BL[2793]
;W[ll]WL[3191]
;B[qk]BL[2744]
;W[rk]WL[3179]
;B[qm]BL[2690]
;W[rm]WL[3135]C[Tien [9d?\]: Should black really cut with q4?
]
;B[pl]BL[2687]
;W[rl]WL[3134]C[Tien [9d?\]: That looks odd to me
]
;B[lk]BL[2686]
;W[kl]WL[3130]
;B[kk]BL[2673]
;W[jl]WL[3115]C[Namii [7d\]: Cause now white will get control in the center
Finnish8d [-\]: K5 doesn't make sense to me
Finnish8d [-\]: cos w is already alive
Tien [9d?\]: J10 looks pretty good, yes
]
(;B[jo]BL[2346]C[Namii [7d\]: Black K5 was stressing too much, I felt like
Namii [7d\]: Surely black J10 or something instead?
]
;W[jk]WL[3041]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, can't follow the reasoning
]
;B[jj]BL[2291]
;W[ij]WL[3033]
;B[ji]BL[2141]
;W[ii]WL[3028]
;B[ih]BL[2140]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wow, this hane has to be too much?
Finnish8d [-\]: Alright so it is this kind of game ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Cut without thinking
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: The stubborn kind?
]
;W[jh]WL[3022]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right :D
]
;B[li]BL[2138]
;W[jg]WL[3008]
;B[hh]BL[2100]
;W[gi]WL[2931]
;B[ik]BL[2013]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, now it's great for white
Namii [7d\]: White doesn't mind at all :P
Tien [9d?\]: Wait
Namii [7d\]: He played all the moves I was expecting
Tien [9d?\]: Does that run out?
Tien [9d?\]: ATari and net
Finnish8d [-\]: I can see fighting spirit, but that is all
]
(;W[gj]WL[2921]
;B[hk]BL[1995]C[Finnish8d [-\]: even this shape...
Tien [9d?\]: Haha
Namii [7d\]: :D
]
;W[jn]WL[2915]
;B[in]BL[1994]
;W[im]WL[2907]
;B[kn]BL[1907]
;W[ln]WL[2733]
;B[jm]BL[1903]
;W[km]WL[2732]
;B[jn]BL[1899]C[Namii [7d\]: I guess there's that aji remaining
]
(;W[gh]WL[2698]C[Namii [7d\]: This was such a big success for me
Finnish8d [-\]: so you don't mind he cut in sente
Finnish8d [-\]: I actually do :P
Tien [9d?\]: I guess connect first is best
Namii [7d\]: Ah the central fight is more important
Namii [7d\]: Hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: he cannot neglect that
Tien [9d?\]: Fight important, but points too
Namii [7d\]: Connect, he'll N7 and then H7
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok, Namii is right here
]
;B[md]BL[1826]C[Tien [9d?\]: I kinda want k16
Finnish8d [-\]: exactly ^^
]
(;W[nd]WL[2474]
;B[ne]BL[1554]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm :)
Namii [7d\]: I didn't have any good ideas :P
]
;W[me]WL[2473]C[Namii [7d\]: I probably rushed here
Finnish8d [-\]: you played like him here :P
Namii [7d\]: What else?
Namii [7d\]: but now sente becomes the q
]
;B[mc]BL[1553]
;W[ob]WL[2334]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[le]BL[1538]
;W[mf]WL[2333]
;B[lf]BL[1537]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this is hard to control
Namii [7d\]: I partly chose this way because I knew I'd get sente to play B5 first
Namii [7d\]: and N18 is at top
Namii [7d\]: but I did lose that moyo potential...
Namii [7d\]: so typical internet game judgment :P
]
;W[mg]WL[2332]
;B[lg]BL[1536]
;W[mh]WL[2332]C[Tien [9d?\]: And those two black stones have something left, now
]
;B[lh]BL[1525]
;W[og]WL[2274]
;B[hf]BL[1500]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, looks like a slightly good exchange to black
Namii [7d\]: He did it immediately
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: White has tocare for the centre stones now
]
(;W[gf]WL[2230]
;B[ge]BL[1377]C[Tien [9d?\]: Extend and keima instead?
Namii [7d\]: O16 is wrong
]
(;W[ff]WL[2229]
;B[he]BL[1374]
;W[bo]WL[2228]C[Namii [7d\]: Annoying shape left
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah just what I want to say
Finnish8d [-\]: that tenuki, I can hardly decide it
]
;B[cm]BL[1340]
(;W[ck]WL[2072]C[Namii [7d\]: Now a strange part...
]
;B[dk]BL[1308]C[Namii [7d\]: B5 ok?
Namii [7d\]: Or should I just play on the left?
Tien [9d?\]: I think you answered it yourself in the game :)
Tien [9d?\]: With c9
Namii [7d\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
]
;W[cn]WL[1895]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, b5 might be fine
Tien [9d?\]: But then c9 is not
]
;B[cl]BL[1184]C[Namii [7d\]: Everything is unrefined after O16
]
;W[dn]WL[1874]
;B[cj]BL[1033]C[Tien [9d?\]: Wow
]
;W[dr]WL[1861]
;B[eo]BL[1006]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but alright
Finnish8d [-\]: so b this one missed opportunity to attack w shape
Finnish8d [-\]: on top left
Tien [9d?\]: Might as ewll just play c13 now
Tien [9d?\]: Or attack e15 immediately?
Finnish8d [-\]: I will attack it ^^
Tien [9d?\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: in any case
Finnish8d [-\]: not this one
]
;W[ch]WL[1783]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
Tien [9d?\]: e5 now?
Namii [7d\]: He thought C4 is sente :P
]
;B[cp]BL[912]
;W[bq]WL[1753]
;B[bp]BL[905]
;W[ap]WL[1752]
;B[cq]BL[900]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well it's big, but...
]
;W[cr]WL[1751]C[Namii [7d\]: Does it make a difference?
Tien [9d?\]: I recall thinking something like it makes a difference between life and death
Tien [9d?\]: Or almost-life and almost death
Namii [7d\]: Corner is only 1 eye anyway
Tien [9d?\]: Relates to b6 eye and something else
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I see
Finnish8d [-\]: so you mean
Tien [9d?\]: Let's see later, maybe I remember again
]
(;B[br]BL[839]C[Tien [9d?\]: B2 is a huge mistake, though
Tien [9d?\]: Go back to b2, just e3 instead
]
;W[aq]WL[1750]C[Namii [7d\]: or I mean, C4 threatens to kill
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [7d\]: But yeah definitely no need to exchange it anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: but I get you already ^^
Tien [9d?\]: For example here, black e3 is sente, right?
]
(;B[bh]BL[815]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, now I think I remember the difference for b2
]
;W[bg]WL[1735]
;B[bi]BL[731]
;W[eq]WL[1539]
;B[fq]BL[456]
;W[fr]WL[1507]
;B[gr]BL[453]
;W[es]WL[1506]
;B[qj]BL[428]
;W[rp]WL[1491]
;B[lr]BL[424]
;W[rr]WL[1471]
;B[qs]BL[422]
;W[mb]WL[1377]C[Tien [9d?\]: When white plays top left, game is over
]
;B[kc]BL[417]
;W[fc]WL[1286]C[Namii [7d\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, I thought e17
Namii [7d\]: Yeah maybe better
Namii [7d\]: hmm, should be better
Namii [7d\]: :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah e17 is
Finnish8d [-\]: well ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so we finish this one here then?
Namii [7d\]: Nothing to see anymore
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I think that's it
Finnish8d [-\]: ok 
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Tien [9d?\]: Shall I take over?
Finnish8d [-\]: so Antti takes over the rest
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah please
]
;B[pc]BL[404]
;W[pb]WL[1278]
;B[pf]BL[281]
;W[pg]WL[1243]
;B[qg]BL[279]
;W[qh]WL[943]
;B[rg]BL[237]
;W[rf]WL[927]
;B[rh]BL[226]
;W[qd]WL[920]
;B[oi]BL[210]
;W[cf]WL[887]
;OS[Avari2][CRvaoMtJ][FreddaSWE][Gardan][JeffChang][Kerkere][Kettu][Kyumato][Ottoovs][Palomies][RBerenguel][Ron1n1990][Seagal][Shved][Skeletor][Werfeus][YliGo][a196861][a284][antei][arty][baldur][betterlife][gisa][goantti][hamete][hvk][illegal][jiri][kare][michealc][mienai][mpepe][yoshiyasu])
(;B[eq]
;W[bs]
;B[ar]
;W[ao]C[Tien [9d?\]: But then white plays b1 and practically lives
]
;B[ds]C[Namii [7d\]: I'm still not seeing it :P
]
;W[bm]C[Tien [9d?\]: But if b2 is unplayed and black palys e3, it's different
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: It's a pretty huge difference actually
Tien [9d?\]: If black can get e3 in sente
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Tien [9d?\]: Does something white die then?
]))
(;B[eq]
(;W[fd])
(;W[bm]
;B[bl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, no, it's same huh
Namii [7d\]: B1 still?
Tien [9d?\]: Nevermind :)
]
;W[bs]
;B[ar]
;W[aq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah right
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, back to game
])))
(;W[dp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Is it this or the other? I don't know
Finnish8d [-\]: hmm
Namii [7d\]: Maybe c5 here
Namii [7d\]: to leave cutting aji
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I am also struggling
Finnish8d [-\]: bottom or left
])
(;W[co]C[Finnish8d [-\]: alright ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Bottom is nothing to me
Namii [7d\]: Pennies :P
Namii [7d\]: left is where the potential is at
Finnish8d [-\]: but like this
Finnish8d [-\]: E15 is the next battle field
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Namii [7d\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: That's b5's problem to me
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd rather not go B5 but fix that
Tien [9d?\]: But b5's problem is f14
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[gg]
;B[if]
;W[fe]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not g14
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe this is better, yeah
Namii [7d\]: But I like Jeff's, I may get sente now
Finnish8d [-\]: I actually like this
Tien [9d?\]: Black won't continue here
Tien [9d?\]: Yes, this is better
Tien [9d?\]: Sente or that g16
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[gg]
;B[if]C[Namii [7d\]: Yeah :P
]
(;W[fe]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this also works
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd rather endure gote
Tien [9d?\]: F15 is odd
Tien [9d?\]: More like d14
])
(;W[df]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, still odd though
Tien [9d?\]: I cannot decide
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe
])))
(;W[jd]C[Namii [7d\]: Hmm, ^^
Namii [7d\]: So right, those two black stones at H12 don't have that much aji left
Finnish8d [-\]: there is no value on top right, once you keep R17 and the corner
Tien [9d?\]: Beginnings of moyo, too
Namii [7d\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: C14 soon
Namii [7d\]: Yes this is reasonable
]))
(;W[il]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Namii [7d\]: but I didn't like this
Tien [9d?\]: Well yeah okay, it's not much better
Tien [9d?\]: Black gets solid shape anyway
]
;B[mm]
;W[mn]
;B[hm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Don't want to push now, but if not, atari is sente anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Tien [9d?\]: In the game, cut remains
]))
(;W[hk]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, it does
Namii [7d\]: Oh, huh, interesting
]
;B[il]
;W[hm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Annoying
Tien [9d?\]: Crawl three times, then atari :D
Namii [7d\]: Ah yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Namii [7d\]: can't work
Finnish8d [-\]: cannot do this
Tien [9d?\]: That was close
]))
(;B[ij]C[Namii [7d\]: Well, K5 threatens to take away the eyes with N7
Namii [7d\]: but it's still far-fetched
Namii [7d\]: and why is he afraid that I'll go to H4 now?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [7d\]: this is one place where I didn't understand his logic :P
Namii [7d\]: Cause like this it's still a bit painful for white
]))
(;B[qo]
;W[pn]
;B[qn]
;W[pm]
(;B[jp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This?
]
;W[qm]
;B[qr]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, I'll even jump
Tien [9d?\]: I don't care about that lower side for now
])
(;B[ql]C[Namii [7d\]: White's next move is not that easy
Namii [7d\]: Can't pincer very well because black is strong with F4 and E2
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok, I see the point
Namii [7d\]: M4? :P
Tien [9d?\]: Possibly, yeah
]
;W[lp]C[Namii [7d\]: It seems attemptable,at least
Tien [9d?\]: Then switch directions with n16
]
(;B[pq]
;W[or]
;B[bo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I'd do like this ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe, pure territory huh
Namii [7d\]: Black has a lot of points, yeah }}
Namii [7d\]: ^^;
Tien [9d?\]: n16 r16 c14 instead was my idea
])
(;B[md]
;W[qd]
;B[cf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I see the point
Finnish8d [-\]: but I mean
Finnish8d [-\]: is b push and cut in the game problematic
Finnish8d [-\]: to me that is a way :P
Finnish8d [-\]: a violent way
Tien [9d?\]: Probably not, you'd have to be a 9p to say that I guess :)
Tien [9d?\]: I personally don't want to decide the next 20 moves like that
Tien [9d?\]: But I guess it's all fine
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok ^^
]))))
(;B[pd]BL[3578]C[White: Lazar Manojlovic, 5 dan
Black: Jesse Savo, 4 dan

Result: W+2.5]
;W[ec]WL[3566]
;B[pp]BL[3542]
;W[do]WL[3552]
;B[cd]BL[3534]
;W[jc]WL[3447]
;B[mc]BL[3404]
;W[cf]WL[3318]
;B[ed]BL[3389]
;W[fd]WL[3238]
;B[ee]BL[3375]
;W[dc]WL[3237]
;B[ce]BL[3372]
;W[cc]WL[3237]
;B[cg]BL[3303]C[Tien [9d?\]: Even Jesse, huh
Tien [9d?\]: I'm seeing c13 too much nowadays in NGA games
Namii [7d\]: :D
]
;W[ci]WL[3209]
;B[pj]BL[3228]
;W[fp]WL[2965]
;B[nq]BL[3045]
;W[qc]WL[2941]C[Tien [9d?\]: What is f4? I didn't get it
Namii [7d\]: Corner invasion?
Tien [9d?\]: And then r17, too
Namii [7d\]: Yeah that is puzzling as well
Namii [7d\]: R17 asks black to become super thick :P
Tien [9d?\]: How to continue f4, I've no idea :D
Tien [9d?\]: There's always something in the corner
Namii [7d\]: hehe
]
;B[qd]BL[3028]
;W[pc]WL[2939]
(;B[rd]BL[2985]
;W[oc]WL[2897]
;B[od]BL[2945]
;W[nc]WL[2885]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah he descent
]
;B[nd]BL[2914]
;W[mb]WL[2881]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[mj]BL[2867]C[Tien [9d?\]: I don't know what to say :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Namii [7d\]: :P
Tien [9d?\]: Seems black answers f4 like this
]
;W[jp]WL[2777]
(;B[dq]BL[2616]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, and then we go in
Tien [9d?\]: Was 3-3 better?
Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling is 33
]
;W[cq]WL[2767]
;B[cr]BL[2498]
;W[cp]WL[2762]
;B[er]BL[2426]
;W[ei]WL[2749]
;B[bf]BL[1710]
;W[ro]WL[2582]
;B[qo]BL[1639]
;W[rp]WL[2566]
;B[rn]BL[1624]
;W[qn]WL[2529]
(;B[rm]BL[1615]C[Tien [9d?\]: Then it's this stuff over here
]
;W[pq]WL[2526]
;B[oq]BL[1239]
;W[pr]WL[2517]
;B[po]BL[1235]C[Tien [9d?\]: Something here I just don't get :)
]
;W[qp]WL[2467]
;B[rr]BL[856]C[Finnish8d [-\]: corner life and death ^^
]
;W[rq]WL[2456]
;B[or]BL[836]
;W[qr]WL[2340]
;B[ko]BL[684]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah well
Finnish8d [-\]: definitely not P2..
Tien [9d?\]: Sold the ko
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: in my logic L5 is wrong in any case
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: What is there on the right?
Tien [9d?\]: Now seems to be the time for that question
Namii [7d\]: Sorry, had a phone call 
Tien [9d?\]: np
Finnish8d [-\]: np ^^
]
(;W[jo]WL[2300]C[Namii [7d\]: Jesse is also affected by Pandanet internet festival
Finnish8d [-\]: the rest is understandable at lest
Finnish8d [-\]: least*
]
;B[kn]BL[654]C[Tien [9d?\]: And for black, l5 in itself is off
]
;W[kp]WL[2218]
;B[mo]BL[417]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;W[jn]WL[2165]C[Namii [7d\]: since Jesse shouldn't play P2, if he is playing seriously 
]
;B[fq]BL[153]
;W[gp]WL[2040]C[Namii [7d\]: Wait, so was our conclusion that w has to do something about the right?
]
;B[lb]BL[468]C[Tien [9d?\]: Probably
Finnish8d [-\]: feels like it
Tien [9d?\]: K5 feels wrong, at least
Finnish8d [-\]: or starting from the centre maybe
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: and force b to add moves there
Namii [7d\]: Right
]
;W[lc]WL[1957]
;B[md]BL[466]
;W[kb]WL[1944]
;B[jl]BL[375]C[Tien [9d?\]: I've no idea on the  score, need to count
Namii [7d\]: About L5
Namii [7d\]: really that move?
Tien [9d?\]: Black doesn't have enough?
Tien [9d?\]: Namii, depends on the current score to me
Tien [9d?\]: Black seems to say "it's enough"
Tien [9d?\]: But I wasn't sure
Namii [7d\]: Yeah I see
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Tien [9d?\]: This just about works huh
]
;W[mh]WL[1850]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this?
Tien [9d?\]: And this is a huge overplay?
Namii [7d\]: Could say that if w doesn't do anything on the right, w didn't efficiently use the aji in blacks' shape
]
;B[kh]BL[353]C[Finnish8d [-\]: must die
Finnish8d [-\]: nobi cannot make it?
Tien [9d?\]: It looked like this, white dying
Tien [9d?\]: And then white got perfectly out
Tien [9d?\]: Also destroyed o18 aji
]
;W[kj]WL[1784]C[Namii [7d\]: Yeah
Namii [7d\]: What the
]
;B[jj]BL[306]C[Finnish8d [-\]: also must die
Namii [7d\]: Just fix the shape with M9?
Namii [7d\]: or this
Namii [7d\]: yeah
]
;W[ld]WL[1772]
;B[le]BL[303]
;W[ke]WL[1767]C[Namii [7d\]: sorry, m9 is passive :P
Finnish8d [-\]: atari first
Finnish8d [-\]: aha ok
Tien [9d?\]: That works, but I cannot buy it :)
Tien [9d?\]: How could double hane be wrong
Namii [7d\]: :D
Namii [7d\]: but
]
;B[kf]BL[298]
;W[lf]WL[1765]
;B[me]BL[296]C[Namii [7d\]: if w captures at m19
]
;W[kg]WL[1683]C[Tien [9d?\]: .....
Namii [7d\]: ???
]
;B[la]BL[195]
;W[ka]WL[1666]C[Namii [7d\]: or hmm
]
;B[kd]BL[191]
;W[ma]WL[1665]C[Namii [7d\]: no difference
]
;B[jf]BL[157]C[Tien [9d?\]: No ponnuki, what?
]
;W[jg]WL[1653]
;B[lg]BL[152]C[Namii [7d\]: Just ponnuki it, right
]
;W[lh]WL[1614]
;B[jh]BL[126]
;W[ig]WL[1601]
;B[mg]BL[118]C[Finnish8d [-\]: aha ok I see
Tien [9d?\]: Well anyway, black got everything?
Namii [7d\]: good enough :)
Namii [7d\]: well
]
;W[jk]WL[1595]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not quite enough
Namii [7d\]: there is simple solution
Namii [7d\]: go back to L15
Namii [7d\]: and atari it
]
(;B[kk]BL[90]C[Namii [7d\]: that central ponnuki harms the left side after all
]
;W[ji]WL[1571]C[Finnish8d [-\]: really wanna kill all
Namii [7d\]: right
]
;B[ik]BL[88]
;W[ng]WL[1570]
;B[mf]BL[86]
;W[ih]WL[1568]
;B[nh]BL[81]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right
]
;W[ni]WL[1567]
;B[oh]BL[80]
;W[mi]WL[1567]
;B[lj]BL[69]
;W[ki]WL[1563]
;B[ok]BL[56]C[Finnish8d [-\]: no way
Namii [7d\]: ok, w got something, but w also damaged himself like this
Tien [9d?\]: Good for white, sure
Namii [7d\]: so this should be b leading?
Finnish8d [-\]: then it is all refused
]
;W[bh]WL[1523]
;B[fe]BL[47]
;W[gd]WL[1516]C[Finnish8d [-\]: good question
]
;B[ge]BL[23]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is not to me
Tien [9d?\]: I feel these black moves are fine
Tien [9d?\]: White centre is disconnected
Namii [7d\]: right
]
;W[br]WL[1443]
;B[bs]BL[22]
;W[bq]WL[1441]
;B[gq]BL[2]
;W[gj]WL[1408]C[Tien [9d?\]: So went back to defend
Namii [7d\]: and w has to do g10, yeah
]
;B[ep]BL[535]
;W[eo]WL[1403]
;B[gl]BL[487]
;W[dp]WL[1373]C[Tien [9d?\]: What...
Tien [9d?\]: For black h4?
Namii [7d\]: cause I really want to punish this more :P
]
(;B[ir]BL[382]
;W[eq]WL[1369]
;B[dr]BL[370]
;W[hl]WL[1292]C[Namii [7d\]: and why b doesn't hane at h4 there
]
(;B[hd]BL[284]C[Namii [7d\]: or hmm
Namii [7d\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: Then this timing is just weird
Namii [7d\]: I thought it could fight for sente / leave aji in white's group
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, I see
]
(;W[im]WL[1261]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...
]
;B[hj]BL[181]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[hi]WL[1238]
;B[gi]BL[146]
;W[hk]WL[1108]
;B[fj]BL[130]
;W[ij]WL[1104]
;B[fi]BL[125]C[Tien [9d?\]: I don't get this
Finnish8d [-\]: hmm funny
Tien [9d?\]: Now black got back in the game for some reason
Namii [7d\]: wait
Namii [7d\]: b12 sente?
]
;W[eh]WL[1096]
;B[fg]BL[107]
;W[ek]WL[1079]
;B[fk]BL[101]
;W[hf]WL[1073]
;B[fh]BL[58]
;W[he]WL[981]
;B[bc]BL[56]
;W[bb]WL[968]
;B[bd]BL[41]
;W[km]WL[923]C[Namii [7d\]: can I have ctrl for 1 sec
Tien [9d?\]: Neither side wants that huge e8?
Finnish8d [-\]: B17
Tien [9d?\]: I feel like that decides
Tien [9d?\]: Sure, go ahead
Namii [7d\]: oh right, I'm the master
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah just want to say that
Finnish8d [-\]: E8
]
(;B[lm]BL[40]
;W[nk]WL[913]C[Namii [7d\]: yeah
]
;B[nj]BL[37]
;W[oi]WL[912]
;B[pi]BL[36]
;W[ph]WL[912]
;B[og]BL[35]
;W[oj]WL[910]
;B[ol]BL[29]
;W[lk]WL[901]
;B[mk]BL[26]
;W[ln]WL[899]
(;B[lo]BL[19]
;W[ll]WL[895]
;B[mm]BL[10]
;W[kl]WL[883]C[Tien [9d?\]: Heh
]
;B[el]BL[7]
;W[dk]WL[880]
;B[dl]BL[2]
;W[cl]WL[880]
;B[hc]BL[2]
;W[gb]WL[871]
;B[ml]BL[454]
;W[jm]WL[868]
;B[ab]BL[352]
;W[ba]WL[861]
;B[jd]BL[332]C[Tien [9d?\]: White gained in the centre, but black got e8 which I guess evens it out
]
;W[id]WL[860]
;B[rb]BL[305]
;W[eg]WL[843]
;B[df]BL[274]
;W[jr]WL[795]
;B[iq]BL[272]
;W[kr]WL[782]
;B[hp]BL[254]
;W[ho]WL[779]
;B[ej]BL[205]
;W[dj]WL[762]
;B[dm]BL[168]
;W[cm]WL[749]
;B[qb]BL[153]
;W[cs]WL[743]
;B[gr]BL[123]
;W[ip]WL[734]
;B[hq]BL[119]
;W[pb]WL[706]
;B[qa]BL[96]
;W[dd]WL[687]
;B[de]BL[89]
;W[bg]WL[679]
;B[dg]BL[80]
;W[gm]WL[671]
;B[fm]BL[76]
;W[gk]WL[670]
;B[fl]BL[72]
;W[fn]WL[665]
;B[dn]BL[70]
;W[cn]WL[659]
;B[pa]BL[61]
;W[oa]WL[638]
;B[gn]BL[59]
;W[hm]WL[636]
;B[en]BL[58]
;W[fo]WL[634]
;B[so]BL[48]
;W[sr]WL[629]
;B[li]BL[33]
;W[kh]WL[627]
;B[ie]BL[19]
;W[ic]WL[625]
;B[ds]BL[12]
;W[sp]WL[617]
;B[sn]BL[594]
;W[pg]WL[581]
;B[of]BL[593]
;W[qk]WL[572]
;B[pk]BL[507]
;W[qm]WL[520]
;B[rl]BL[503]
;W[ql]WL[510]
;B[rk]BL[502]
;W[qj]WL[509]
;B[rj]BL[499]
;W[qi]WL[497]
;B[ri]BL[496]
;W[mr]WL[472]
;B[lq]BL[276]
;W[lr]WL[469]
;B[mq]BL[225]
;W[lp]WL[460]
;B[mp]BL[223]
;W[gf]WL[459]
;B[ff]BL[219]
;W[rc]WL[435]
;B[sc]BL[218]
;W[nb]WL[434]
;B[ag]BL[209]
;W[ah]WL[433]
;B[af]BL[208]
;W[ch]WL[412]
;B[dh]BL[207]
;W[di]WL[411]
;B[js]BL[204]
;W[ks]WL[410]
;B[is]BL[203]
;W[ar]WL[391]
;B[os]BL[176]
;W[ms]WL[377]
;B[qs]BL[163]
;W[rs]WL[375]
;B[ps]BL[162]
;W[ep]WL[371]
;B[ac]BL[148]
;W[cb]WL[369]
;B[je]BL[144]
;W[kc]WL[366]
;B[cs]BL[139]
;W[hh]WL[357]
;B[gg]BL[138]
;W[kq]WL[353]
;B[ns]BL[137]
;W[]WL[350]
;B[]BL[585]
;W[]WL[350]
;TW[ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][la][na][db][eb][fb][hb][ib][jb][lb][ob][fc][gc][hc][hd][jh][ai][bi][ii][aj][bj][cj][hj][jj][ak][bk][ck][ik][jk][kk][al][bl][il][jl][am][bm][an][bn][gn][hn][in][ao][bo][co][go][io][ap][bp][aq][qq][sq][rr][ls][ss]TB[ra][sa][sb][ad][sd][ae][be][ke][ne][oe][pe][qe][re][se][cf][lf][nf][pf][qf][rf][sf][ng][pg][qg][rg][sg][ph][qh][rh][sh][qi][si][qj][sj][nk][qk][sk][nl][pl][ql][sl][em][nm][om][pm][qm][sm][ln][mn][nn][on][pn][qn][no][oo][np][op][fr][hr][es][fs][gs][hs]OS[Avari2][BenjaminP][GOGAKUYU][Gardan][Hokuto][JeffChang][Juippi][Kerkere][Kyumato][Laman][Namii][Ottoovs][Palomies][Seagal][Skeletor][Tibi][YliGo][a284][antei][baldur][betterlife][gaufrette][goantti][guta57][hamete][hvk][kare][kyy][mdcl][michealc][mtp][naganochi][narang1][ranchanyu][sammyk][shy64][submarina][suntwu][tetusi2][yoshiyasu])
(;B[mm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Optimal for black?
]
;W[el]C[Namii [7d\]: nah, just take sente
Tien [9d?\]: Then go to endgame
Tien [9d?\]: "Go to endgame by sacrificing a lot more" sounds bad to me
Namii [7d\]: hmm
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, no
Tien [9d?\]: "Take sente by sacrificing a lot more"
Tien [9d?\]: But true, e8 is huge
Tien [9d?\]: And always black's
]))
(;B[el]C[Tien [9d?\]: Crunch
Finnish8d [-\]: b should take E8 first in anycase
Finnish8d [-\]: it is sente
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]C[Namii [7d\]: but I mean
Tien [9d?\]: And then the better centre defense
Namii [7d\]: N7 doesn't cover it all
Namii [7d\]: still ko
]
;B[lm]
;W[nk]
;B[nj]
;W[oi]
;B[pi]
;W[oj]
;B[ol]
(;W[ln])
(;W[lk]
;B[mk]
;W[ln]
;B[mm]C[Namii [7d\]: cause b wants t oanswer m5
Tien [9d?\]: Does he? depends on the timing
Namii [7d\]: l8 m8 m5 
]
;W[lo]
;B[mp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Now he probably does
Namii [7d\]: right, so at least ko left
Tien [9d?\]: Anyway, e8 first
Tien [9d?\]: Sente anyway
Namii [7d\]: yup
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, this game done?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah seems so
Namii [7d\]: I guess
])))
(;W[hk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is here
Tien [9d?\]: So white had to connect like this
]))
(;B[hk]
;W[gk]
;B[hm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Surely cut?
]))
(;B[hp]C[Tien [9d?\]: There's nothing, feels like
Tien [9d?\]: White counter hane
]
;W[ho]C[Namii [7d\]: hm, can't get anything then
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Back to me?
]))
(;B[ij]C[Namii [7d\]: but if afterwards b's right side is enough
Tien [9d?\]: Nobi here?
Namii [7d\]: then L16 is a surefire way
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: I wonder
Namii [7d\]: ah 
Tien [9d?\]: Looks more promising
Namii [7d\]: b almost in byo-yomi
Namii [7d\]: this will be tough to read
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: that is also a factor
Finnish8d [-\]: but still
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, then atari l16 first is best
Finnish8d [-\]: the result in the game is just a no
]))
(;W[fr]C[Namii [7d\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: I'd feel like attaching here
Kettu [4d\]: hello, sorry for being late
Tien [9d?\]: Welcome in :)
Namii [7d\]: np, your game is still on the way :)
Finnish8d [-\]: right ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: the shape you mean
]
;B[fq]
;W[gq]
;B[eq]
;W[gr]
;B[br]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not sure, this is odd too
])
(;W[km]C[Tien [9d?\]: Force it?
Finnish8d [-\]: aha :P
]
;B[jo]
;W[fr]
;B[fq]
;W[gq]
;B[eq]
;W[hp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then one line up maybe
])
(;W[kl]LB[jo:B][kp:A][gq:C]C[Finnish8d [-\]: also can force it
Tien [9d?\]: Wow, this is really bizarre
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: if we follow this logic 
Tien [9d?\]: I don't feel like any move on the lower side is really big, actually
Tien [9d?\]: Black's moves are A, B and C
Tien [9d?\]: But B and C cancel each other
Tien [9d?\]: And A is not very important to me
])
(;W[pk]C[Tien [9d?\]: For example
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah possible
Finnish8d [-\]: b shape is still problematic there
]
;B[qj]C[Tien [9d?\]: Down, I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: though b wants to fix it efficiently
Tien [9d?\]: Now it's kikashi
Tien [9d?\]: I still feel like this doesn't cost
Tien [9d?\]: But I guess r7 is too heavy
]
(;W[qm]
;B[ql]
;W[on]C[Tien [9d?\]: Does this become annoying for black very quickly?
Finnish8d [-\]: hmm 
]
;B[no]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe I am not sure, w is also in risk
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, forcing o5 is expensive unless white gets something
Finnish8d [-\]: I may start from O5 if I were w
])
(;W[no]C[Tien [9d?\]: This way huh, yeah this is easier
Finnish8d [-\]: without the attachment
]
;B[pn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Well, not much difference either :)
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe we have to leave it at "white should probably do something on the right instead"
]))
(;W[no]
;B[pn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so to leave Q6 and jump possibility
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah so b will protect here
Tien [9d?\]: I guess black can easily turn here
Finnish8d [-\]: then bottom side
Tien [9d?\]: Then push or?
Tien [9d?\]: I still don't know what to do on the lower side
Finnish8d [-\]: force b to connect will be a success
Finnish8d [-\]: so M4?
]
;W[lp]
;B[kp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: block
]
;W[kq]
;B[lq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: atari and down
]
;W[mq]
;B[lr]
;W[mr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I just had a quick read :P
]
;B[mp]
;W[lo]
;B[ln]
;W[mo]
;B[ms]
;W[np]C[Finnish8d [-\]: not sure if this works
]
;B[nr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah this
Tien [9d?\]: No idea either :)
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Tien [9d?\]: Looks dangerous
Finnish8d [-\]: wellyeah
]))
(;B[qm]
;W[pn]
;B[rl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I am actually shaking my head all the time :P
Tien [9d?\]: This way is still superior, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: just to let you know ^^
Namii [7d\]: :DD
Tien [9d?\]: Of course :)
]
;W[pq]
;B[qq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah attacking way
Tien [9d?\]: Fighting it out looks good to black
]
;W[qr]C[Tien [9d?\]: White has ladder though, so here?
Finnish8d [-\]: so has to compromise then
Finnish8d [-\]: a bit too much, hmm
Tien [9d?\]: How's the shape again
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't know the shape
Finnish8d [-\]: but feels like b has to cut
]
(;B[pr]
;W[oq]
;B[op]C[Finnish8d [-\]: P4
]
;W[or]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then connect
]
;B[qp]
;W[np]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but then O4 is painful here
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: so a bit too much
])
(;B[oq]
;W[pr]
;B[qp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Crude way?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[rq]
;B[oo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but w is alive in sente
Tien [9d?\]: Corner's alive alright, yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: he still has reason to be happy 
Finnish8d [-\]: but ok
Tien [9d?\]: Black outside is not very bad either, though
Finnish8d [-\]: b is fine this way
Tien [9d?\]: I guess this is the best to expect
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
])))
(;B[cq]
;W[cp]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not sure how to deal with this then
]
;B[dq]
;W[fq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Of course the white shape is horrible too
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, it's alive
]
;B[er]C[Finnish8d [-\]: kosumi to live
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, that's enough
]))
(;B[od]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and w directly entered that corner
]
;W[oc]
(;B[rc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, to give black a moyo
Tien [9d?\]: It's this black order, right?
Namii [7d\]: I think F4's idea is not how white continues.. idea is to make b stressed and then overcommit himself :P
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, so it's just naïve
Namii [7d\]: so as long as b does nothing, that shape is defective
]
;W[rb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I've seen b hane directly, but shouldn't be here
]
;B[rd]
;W[nc]
;B[nd])
(;B[nc]C[Namii [7d\]: Why not just the usual super shape?
]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[qf]C[Namii [7d\]: Oh well, this is good too
Tien [9d?\]: Well, it's fine I guess
Tien [9d?\]: The right-side territory-making doesn't make sense anyway
Tien [9d?\]: Influence is nice
])))
(;B[pd]BL[3588]C[White: Mikko Siukola, 4 dan
Black: Dejan Krstic, 4 dan

Result: W+25.5Namii [7d\]: let's do Mikko's
Tien [9d?\]: Kettu's one then
]
;W[dp]WL[3582]
;B[qp]BL[3540]
;W[op]WL[3555]
;B[cd]BL[3519]
;W[ed]WL[3392]
;B[mq]BL[3421]
;W[or]WL[3352]
;B[pn]BL[3376]
;W[no]WL[3348]
;B[qj]BL[3321]
;W[kq]WL[3337]
;B[ec]BL[3245]
;W[dd]WL[3326]
;B[dc]BL[3234]
;W[ce]WL[3324]
;B[fd]BL[3159]
;W[cc]WL[3311]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, ladder is good for white
Tien [9d?\]: Small avalanche is a slightly bad idea?
]
;B[bd]BL[3157]
;W[cb]WL[3307]
;B[be]BL[3137]
;W[cf]WL[3293]
;B[db]BL[2932]
;W[fc]WL[3268]
;B[fb]BL[2926]
;W[gc]WL[3267]
;B[fe]BL[2921]
;W[ef]WL[3258]
;B[bb]BL[2901]
;W[da]WL[3233]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ouch
]
;B[eb]BL[2896]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cost a bit 
]
;W[gb]WL[3231]
;B[bc]BL[2887]C[Namii [7d\]: e19 is proper yose
Tien [9d?\]: What is that, four points?
]
(;W[jd]WL[3205]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or just two
Finnish8d [-\]: 2
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Namii [7d\]: hmm
Namii [7d\]: 2 must be
Tien [9d?\]: K16 seems too far
]
;B[he]BL[2820]C[Finnish8d [-\]: need to push first I think
]
;W[hd]WL[3197]
;B[ie]BL[2787]
;W[lc]WL[3187]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh, f14 is so tasty now
]
;B[je]BL[2779]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: And nobody cares
]
;W[kd]WL[3174]
;B[ch]BL[2626]
;W[ff]WL[3152]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: now good
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, finally
]
;B[gf]BL[2610]C[Namii [7d\]: that's overplaying
Kettu [4d\]: yeah
Namii [7d\]: just e12?
Kettu [4d\]: i thought f12
]
(;W[bf]WL[3104]C[Namii [7d\]: B14..
Finnish8d [-\]: not this
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm, back to odd
]
;B[fh]BL[2572]
;W[eh]WL[3077]
;B[ei]BL[2560]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ouch, now it's tough
]
(;W[dh]WL[3064]
;B[di]BL[2557]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I mean instead of D12
]
(;W[fi]WL[3059]C[Namii [7d\]: Let's go back to the game anyway
]
;B[fg]BL[2411]
;W[ee]WL[2973]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cross cut?
]
;B[ge]BL[2133]
;W[ci]WL[2947]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this is too difficult
]
;B[cj]BL[2122]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, just c11
]
;W[bi]WL[2944]
;B[bh]BL[2116]
;W[bj]WL[2850]
;B[eg]BL[2098]
;W[dg]WL[2839]
;B[df]BL[2085]
;W[cg]WL[2836]
;B[fj]BL[1963]
;W[gi]WL[2807]
;B[de]BL[1932]
;W[ah]WL[2802]
(;B[ck]BL[1707]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok that is how 
Tien [9d?\]: C9 somehow feels like trying a lot
]
;W[ej]WL[2781]
;B[dj]BL[1702]
;W[ek]WL[2780]
;B[bk]BL[1685]C[Kettu [4d\]: i thought this whole ordeal was great for black, but was happy to get *any* fight 
]
(;W[dl]WL[2692]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is actually also good to b ^^
Tien [9d?\]: I dislike this danger to black
Finnish8d [-\]: not a sclear
Tien [9d?\]: So thought take the easy way instead
Finnish8d [-\]: clear*
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;B[cm]BL[1607]
(;W[bg]WL[2666]
(;B[hj]BL[1577]C[Namii [7d\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: now white didn't get the wall yet
]
;W[gj]WL[2595]
;B[fk]BL[1561]
;W[gk]WL[2582]
;B[fl]BL[1556]
;W[dm]WL[2579]
(;B[gl]BL[1531]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: I'd just take care of the left
]
;W[hk]WL[2559]
;B[dn]BL[1517]
;W[em]WL[2539]C[Finnish8d [-\]: nono
]
;B[hl]BL[1481]C[Finnish8d [-\]: push as b did
]
;W[ik]WL[2394]
;B[en]BL[1248]
;W[fm]WL[2390]C[Finnish8d [-\]: net
]
(;B[co]BL[1134]C[Namii [7d\]: All right
]
;W[fn]WL[2362]
;B[fo]BL[1130]C[Namii [7d\]: did b need to try so hard with h10
]
;W[hn]WL[2335]
;B[go]BL[995]
;W[il]WL[2321]C[Tien [9d?\]: No, cost points
Namii [7d\]: upper left is a major success for black
Namii [7d\]: so why still the fighting stance
]
;B[ho]BL[986]
;W[hm]WL[2294]
(;B[ep]BL[811]C[Tien [9d?\]: Supposed to be a black win anyway like this
Finnish8d [-\]: corner?
Tien [9d?\]: e4 is maybe too stiff
]
;W[cp]WL[2276]
;B[bo]BL[790]
;W[er]WL[2262]
;B[eq]BL[620]
;W[qf]WL[2192]
;B[qe]BL[600]
;W[pf]WL[2169]
;B[nc]BL[595]
;W[qc]WL[2164]
;B[re]BL[542]
;W[ob]WL[2155]
;B[oc]BL[520]
;W[pb]WL[2148]
;B[nb]BL[503]
;W[rb]WL[2147]
;B[nf]BL[453]
;W[pm]WL[2126]
;B[on]BL[444]
;W[ql]WL[2080]
;B[qn]BL[410]
;W[qh]WL[2057]
;B[pi]BL[381]
;W[nl]WL[2050]
;B[oh]BL[359]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, this'd be over in my eyes
Tien [9d?\]: So what happened...
]
;W[ne]WL[2040]
;B[me]BL[237]
;W[md]WL[2032]C[Finnish8d [-\]: exacctly, I am curious
]
;B[oe]BL[230]
;W[nd]WL[2030]
;B[of]BL[186]
;W[rj]WL[2021]
;B[ri]BL[178]
;W[od]WL[1941]
;B[pc]BL[172]
;W[rk]WL[1911]
;B[rh]BL[157]
;W[rq]WL[1886]
;B[qq]BL[147]
;W[qr]WL[1885]
(;B[rp]BL[146]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huh
]
;W[rr]WL[1883]
;B[nn]BL[77]
;W[mn]WL[1880]
;B[ol]BL[63]
;W[om]WL[1871]
(;B[pl]BL[31]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
Tien [9d?\]: So that's how
]
;W[qm]WL[1832]
;B[nm]BL[27]
;W[oj]WL[1816]
(;B[pk]BL[8]
;W[pj]WL[1812]
;B[nk]BL[590]
;W[qi]WL[1798]
;B[ml]BL[542]
;W[rg]WL[1771]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok I see
Tien [9d?\]: Well yeah, that's enough for anything
]
;B[ph]BL[512]
;W[qk]WL[1765]
;B[pg]BL[492]
;W[qg]WL[1726]
;B[pe]BL[487]
;W[lf]WL[1707]
;B[le]BL[463]
;W[ke]WL[1703]
;B[mf]BL[460]
;W[kf]WL[1696]
;B[mi]BL[416]
;W[fr]WL[1581]
;B[iq]BL[389]
;W[hq]WL[1467]
;B[hr]BL[379]
;W[br]WL[1418]
;B[dq]BL[334]
;W[dr]WL[1414]
;B[bq]BL[321]
;W[ir]WL[1389]
;B[gq]BL[296]
;W[cq]WL[1382]
;B[ar]BL[276]
;W[bp]WL[1376]
;B[ap]BL[275]
;W[aq]WL[1375]
;B[rm]BL[275]
;W[si]WL[1326]
;B[bq]BL[264]
;W[nh]WL[1291]
;B[ni]BL[250]
;W[aq]WL[1288]
;B[sk]BL[232]
;W[sl]WL[1259]
;B[bq]BL[229]
;W[jq]WL[1253]
;B[hp]BL[218]
;W[aq]WL[1251]
;B[rn]BL[209]
;W[rl]WL[1247]
;B[bq]BL[208]
;W[oi]WL[1224]
;B[og]BL[199]
;W[aq]WL[1221]
;B[gn]BL[150]
;W[gm]WL[1215]
;B[bq]BL[599]
;W[lg]WL[1148]
;B[mh]BL[589]
;W[aq]WL[1147]
;B[pq]BL[585]
;W[oq]WL[1098]
;B[bq]BL[583]
;W[mg]WL[1086]
;B[ng]BL[582]
;W[aq]WL[1085]
;B[pr]BL[574]
;W[cl]WL[1080]
;B[bm]BL[544]
;W[ps]WL[1048]
;B[bq]BL[542]
;W[ip]WL[958]
;B[io]BL[517]
;W[aq]WL[940]
;B[aj]BL[514]
;W[bl]WL[893]
;B[al]BL[506]
;W[af]WL[752]
;B[bq]BL[502]
;W[gr]WL[748]
;B[jp]BL[443]
;W[hs]WL[739]
;B[lp]BL[345]
;W[lq]WL[677]
;B[mo]BL[296]
;W[mr]WL[656]
;B[ld]BL[231]
;W[mc]WL[636]
;B[jb]BL[187]
;W[kb]WL[606]
;B[hb]BL[153]
;W[hc]WL[494]
;B[ic]BL[134]
;W[id]WL[488]
;B[ga]BL[132]
;W[ki]WL[460]
;B[kh]BL[97]
;W[lh]WL[451]
;B[jh]BL[90]
;W[ig]WL[435]
;B[jj]BL[74]
;W[ji]WL[422]
;B[kp]BL[41]
;W[kr]WL[412]
;B[ii]BL[32]
;W[kj]WL[377]
;B[hh]BL[553]
;W[ih]WL[362]
;B[hi]BL[533]
;W[lk]WL[355]
;B[mk]BL[507]
;W[lo]WL[343]
;B[mp]BL[500]
;W[kn]WL[298]
;B[mm]BL[466]
;W[ln]WL[285]
;B[kl]BL[455]
;W[jk]WL[100]
;B[jm]BL[416]
;W[aq]WL[63]
;B[sc]BL[397]
;W[sb]WL[50]
;B[bq]BL[396]
;W[kk]WL[25]
;B[ll]BL[384]
;W[aq]WL[24]
;B[qs]BL[378]
;W[rs]WL[9]
;B[bq]BL[377]
;W[in]WL[5]
;B[jn]BL[371]
;W[aq]WL[2]
;B[oa]BL[365]
;W[qa]WL[591]
;B[bq]BL[363]
;W[hg]WL[581]
;B[gh]BL[358]
;W[aq]WL[580]
;B[sd]BL[339]
;W[rc]WL[568]
;B[bq]BL[337]
;W[jc]WL[562]
;B[ib]BL[331]
;W[aq]WL[561]
;B[na]BL[298]
;W[pa]WL[559]
;B[bq]BL[297]
;W[ok]WL[547]
;B[nl]BL[279]
;W[aq]WL[545]
;B[ra]BL[266]
;W[sa]WL[537]
;B[bq]BL[265]
;W[ha]WL[529]
;B[ia]BL[261]
;W[aq]WL[528]
;B[nj]BL[588]
;W[ao]WL[522]
;B[qj]BL[586]
;W[dk]WL[476]
;B[am]BL[510]
;W[ak]WL[473]
;B[bk]BL[509]
;W[pj]WL[465]
;B[mb]BL[505]
;W[la]WL[439]
;B[fa]BL[473]
;W[do]WL[427]
;B[eo]BL[468]
;W[fq]WL[392]
;B[hq]BL[460]
;W[oj]WL[391]
;B[an]BL[458]
;W[ck]WL[345]
;B[ak]BL[455]
;W[oo]WL[324]
;B[ap]BL[452]
;W[bq]WL[322]
;B[ha]BL[442]
;W[kc]WL[308]
;B[jf]BL[438]
;W[jg]WL[305]
;B[nq]BL[435]
;W[nr]WL[593]
;B[sq]BL[434]
;W[sr]WL[592]
;B[sp]BL[434]
;W[sm]WL[583]
;B[sn]BL[433]
;W[po]WL[580]
;B[qo]BL[432]
;W[ae]WL[579]
;B[ad]BL[430]
;W[ij]WL[576]
;B[sf]BL[416]
;W[sg]WL[550]
;B[rd]BL[409]
;W[rf]WL[536]
;B[fp]BL[401]
;W[oi]WL[521]
;B[ok]BL[395]
;W[qj]WL[513]
;B[li]BL[369]
;W[lj]WL[509]
;B[lb]BL[358]
;W[ka]WL[505]
;B[ao]BL[592]
;W[se]WL[499]
;B[os]BL[585]
;W[ns]WL[492]
;B[sf]BL[582]
;W[gg]WL[462]
;B[se]BL[576]
;W[jl]WL[451]
;B[cn]BL[564]
;W[im]WL[442]
;B[if]BL[556]
;W[kg]WL[441]
;B[nh]BL[540]
;W[hf]WL[427]
;B[]BL[529]
;W[]WL[400]
;B[]BL[529]
;TW[ra][qb][ag][bh][ch][jh][kh][rh][sh][di][ei][ri][cj][dj][fj][jj][sj][fk][sk][el][fl][gl][hl][ar][cr][jr][lr][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][os][qs][ss]TB[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][ab][cb][ac][cc][dd][ed][ee][ef][ff][km][lm][bn][kn][ln][mn][jo][ko][lo][ro][so][gp][ip]OS[Antoine][Avari][Avari2][FrenchDude][Gardan][JeffChang][Juippi][Kerkere][Kyumato][Laman][Laza][Lukan][Namii][Ottoovs][Palomies][PlayGoNow][Ron1n1990][Seagal][Skeletor][Werfeus][Wuwei][YliGo][antei][baldur][barrskog][betterlife][daniug][enaskil][goantti][guta57][hamete][joachim][kare][michealc][ovbabich41][phatency][seabull])
(;B[nk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Still unclear like this
]))
(;B[nm]C[Kettu [4d\]: great success
Tien [9d?\]: Just like this and it's all over
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;B[pr]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...or like this
Tien [9d?\]: Well, I guess we're done about this game, too, unless Kettu has pending questions in mind
Kettu [4d\]: no, not really
Tien [9d?\]: Alrighty, let's conclude for today then
Kettu [4d\]: B14 was just so horrible
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
]))
(;B[eq])
(;B[cp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: This, huh
Tien [9d?\]: Should be practically over anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]))
(;B[gn]
;W[cl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: block
]
;B[bl]
;W[cn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: atari
Finnish8d [-\]: the 2
]
;B[el]
;W[bm]
;B[dk]
;W[fp]C[Tien [9d?\]: No, never
Tien [9d?\]: It's not even alive yet
Finnish8d [-\]: alright :P
Kettu [4d\]: isn't this like good for w
Namii [7d\]: Huh
Namii [7d\]: they got Dc'd
Finnish8d [-\]: oh
Finnish8d [-\]: just realise what you meant :P
Namii [7d\]: let's wait a moment
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: Control, please
Namii [7d\]: Nice
Namii [7d\]: Hmm
Namii [7d\]: Actually
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Namii [7d\]: In case that happens again
Namii [7d\]: Can you load? ^^ I sent you the demo
Tien [9d?\]: Then we'll just finish
Tien [9d?\]: Nah, let's continue with here
Tien [9d?\]: We're almost done
Namii [7d\]: Ok, but I must go to the store :X
Tien [9d?\]: That's fine
]))
(;B[dn]C[Tien [9d?\]: I thought just here, not sacrifice more than necessary
]
;W[em]
;B[en]
;W[fm]
;B[co]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok 
Namii [7d\]: Ah well if b gets this, then it's all good ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: I was reading in the game line
Finnish8d [-\]: cannot b net?
]))
(;B[gj]
;W[hi]
;B[hj]
;W[ii]
;B[em]C[Tien [9d?\]: If like this?
Finnish8d [-\]: could be a way too
Tien [9d?\]: Feels better for black, maybe
Finnish8d [-\]: but actually
Finnish8d [-\]: b is leading
]))
(;W[dn]C[Tien [9d?\]: Black cannot capture yet, right?
]
;B[cn]
;W[do]C[Tien [9d?\]: How a bout now, still impossible I guess?
]
;B[bp]
;W[bg]C[Namii [7d\]: B outer shape is in ruins
Namii [7d\]: w*
Namii [7d\]: b doesn't need to capture
Kettu [4d\]: this is a big improvement to game anyways 
Tien [9d?\]: But it's more solid for white now than in the game
]))
(;W[cl]C[Tien [9d?\]: Kettu, right, my feeling too
Tien [9d?\]: This is not possible?
Finnish8d [-\]: it is ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: just looked into it
]
;B[gj]
;W[hi]
;B[dl]
;W[dk]
;B[bl]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]C[Namii [7d\]: haha
Finnish8d [-\]: L3 is so perfect
]
;W[cn]
;B[hj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Tien [9d?\]: I'm not sure yet
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, maybe game's is better
]))
(;B[gj]
;W[hi]
;B[ek]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just like this, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: this is definitely good to b
Finnish8d [-\]: in the game way
]))
(;W[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah no
]))
(;W[fi]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, ok
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, right
]
;B[fg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then fine
Namii [7d\]: Trade? :P
Tien [9d?\]: Still, if black plays the tough way?
]
;W[di]
;B[eg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just take the punnuki
]
;W[ej]C[Namii [7d\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Something has gone amiss if white has to play like this :)
]
;B[dg]C[Namii [7d\]: but this feels like the correct emergency measurement
Finnish8d [-\]: looks fine to me ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Probably yeah
Namii [7d\]: C11 too
Namii [7d\]: then... F4?
]
(;W[ci]
(;B[bh]
;W[fp]C[Tien [9d?\]: About so
Finnish8d [-\]: probably B11
Kettu [4d\]: B11 rather?
Finnish8d [-\]: if that is sente
Tien [9d?\]: Feels like this is better
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Kettu [4d\]: i don't really see why C11 is sente either
Kettu [4d\]: if b11 isnt
])
(;B[bi]
;W[bj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah no I mean
Kettu [4d\]: for w
Finnish8d [-\]: w B11
])
(;W[bh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is more ^^
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, this is a perfect coverage
]
;AE[ci]AW[bi]LB[bk:C][ck:A][dk:B]C[Finnish8d [-\]: or we say, C11 is more sente than B11 ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: of course b can still ignore it
Tien [9d?\]: This leaves something with black A, B or C later, threatening the cut
Kettu [4d\]: i guess :)
Tien [9d?\]: Strictly worse shape for white
Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, it's really vaghue
Tien [9d?\]: *vague
]))
(;W[bi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but not sure if that is sente
Tien [9d?\]: Probably not
Tien [9d?\]: Since worse shape anyway now
])))
(;W[ei]C[Tien [9d?\]: Not here?
Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Namii [7d\]: ah yeah
Namii [7d\]: no reason why not
]))
(;W[ff]C[Tien [9d?\]: Here?
]
;B[hd]C[Namii [7d\]: push and K17?
]
;W[jc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, or just J17
Namii [7d\]: right that is better probably
])
(;W[jc])))
