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GN[antei-FreddaSWE(B) IGS]PW[antei]PB[FreddaSWE]WR[7d]BR[5d]DT[2014-03-21]CP[
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League A 2013/2014 - Round 7

Finland vs. Sweden  1 – 3 (0010)Tien [9d?\]: Ok, I think I've set everything up
Tien [9d?\]: Next advertising
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, giving you the control next
Tien [9d?\]: Let's try and be as efficient as possible :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: do we start now or wait a bit?
Tien [9d?\]: Now is fine, I think
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Tien [9d?\]: They'll join when they join
]RE[B+Resign]LT[]NB[33]NW[35]RR[Normal]
(;B[qd]BL[3584]C[White: Antti Törmänen, 7 dan
Black: Fredrik Blombock, 6 dan

Result: B+Res
]
;W[dc]WL[3538]
;B[pq]BL[3528]
;W[oc]WL[3517]
;B[cp]BL[3404]
;W[qo]WL[3510]
;B[ld]BL[3381]
;W[nd]WL[3429]
;B[pg]BL[3300]
;W[qk]WL[3333]
;B[qb]BL[3248]
;W[jc]WL[3245]
;B[ke]BL[3210]
;W[lb]WL[3218]
;B[id]BL[3141]
;W[jd]WL[3182]
;B[je]BL[3138]
;W[ie]WL[3179]
;B[gd]BL[3137]
;W[if]WL[3128]
;B[ic]BL[3132]
;W[ib]WL[3116]
;B[hb]BL[3127]
;W[jb]WL[3110]
;B[gf]BL[3080]
;W[de]WL[3049]
;B[jg]BL[3021]
;W[hg]WL[2916]
;B[ef]BL[2935]
;W[hi]WL[2757]
;B[df]BL[2916]
;W[cf]WL[2752]
;B[cg]BL[2912]
;W[ce]WL[2750]
;B[dh]BL[2778]
;W[jf]WL[2610]
;B[lg]BL[2775]
;W[kg]WL[2527]
;B[lh]BL[2461]
;W[kh]WL[2524]
;B[ki]BL[2449]
;W[kf]WL[2414]
;B[lf]BL[2447]
;W[ji]WL[2413]
;B[kj]BL[2446]
;W[jj]WL[2402]
;B[kk]BL[2440]
(;W[op]WL[2339]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah ok, p4 is off
Finnish8d [-\]: So if we don't talk about top side choice, this is the 1st then
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[oq]BL[2421]
;W[np]WL[2337]
;B[mq]BL[2420]
;W[pd]WL[2254]
;B[qe]BL[2400]
;W[eq]WL[2136]
;B[do]BL[2141]
(;W[gp]WL[2100]C[Tien [9d?\]: Black would fight back
]
;B[dq]BL[2091]
;W[ep]WL[2098]
;B[iq]BL[2036]
;W[dm]WL[1960]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: but still hard to decide what to do
Mokki [2d\]: how about L3 here? is it too greedy?
Tien [9d?\]: So maybe just g6 or so?
Tien [9d?\]: L3 is good, but it's a bit too early now
Finnish8d [-\]: In that case
]
;B[en]BL[2005]
(;W[io]WL[1848]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, now d7 seems a bit too much
Finnish8d [-\]: and if w cap here but need to fix the shape next
]
;B[dk]BL[1981]
;W[el]WL[1754]
;B[gn]BL[1967]
;W[jq]WL[1707]
;B[jr]BL[1820]
;W[ip]WL[1699]
;B[kq]BL[1744]
;W[jp]WL[1695]
;B[gk]BL[1743]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So w is always in difficulty in this game, actually
]
;W[ci]WL[1615]
;B[bh]BL[1642]
;W[ek]WL[1583]
;B[ej]BL[1639]
;W[fm]WL[1468]
;B[fn]BL[1631]
;W[dj]WL[1403]
;B[ck]BL[1630]
;W[fj]WL[1289]
;B[ei]BL[1629]
;W[hl]WL[1242]
;B[fk]BL[1588]
;W[bk]WL[1009]
;B[cj]BL[1200]
;W[cl]WL[974]
;B[bj]BL[1156]
;W[dl]WL[855]
;B[gj]BL[628]
(;W[fi]WL[775]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, I see, just connect instead
Finnish8d [-\]: mostly it is this moment
Finnish8d [-\]: yes ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: so I doubt if b will still do the same
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, that's expensive
Finnish8d [-\]: this is the last moment
Tien [9d?\]: I guess the opening is the main factor anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Tien [9d?\]: White got in a needlessly difficult situation of his own volition
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah 
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, next one?
Finnish8d [-\]: well ok, so we may finish this one
Finnish8d [-\]: sure, give me one minute, bathroom :P
Tien [9d?\]: ok
]
;B[gi]BL[470]
;W[di]WL[769]
;B[fh]BL[469]
;W[bi]WL[768]
;B[ik]BL[257]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This way is definitely so difficult
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[jk]WL[682]
;B[jl]BL[254]
;W[ij]WL[555]
;B[ih]BL[249]
(;W[il]WL[165]
;B[hk]BL[216]
;W[kl]WL[155]
;B[jm]BL[215]
;W[li]WL[585]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so just one last on this game then
]
;B[lj]BL[199]
;W[mi]WL[570]
;B[mj]BL[197]
;W[nj]WL[469]
;B[mk]BL[82]
;W[km]WL[438]
;B[jn]BL[74]
(;W[nh]WL[402]
;B[nk]BL[386]
;W[me]WL[384]
;B[le]BL[383]
;W[he]WL[301]
;B[hd]BL[332]
;W[ge]WL[262]
;B[fe]BL[331]
;W[fd]WL[260]
;B[gc]BL[311]
;W[hh]WL[210]
;B[hj]BL[277]
;W[jh]WL[199]
;B[ig]BL[276]
;W[fc]WL[192]
;B[fb]BL[272]
;W[eb]WL[190]
;B[ga]BL[271]
;W[in]WL[172]
;B[kn]BL[268]
;W[mm]WL[170]
;B[ln]BL[256]
;W[ml]WL[165]
;B[ok]BL[246]
;W[oj]WL[117]
;B[pk]BL[243]
;W[pj]WL[115]
;B[pl]BL[242]
;W[ql]WL[91]
;B[pm]BL[242]
;W[mn]WL[86]
;B[kp]BL[199]
;W[ea]WL[69]
;B[fa]BL[197]
;W[ee]WL[65]
;B[ff]BL[196]
;W[qm]WL[61]
;B[pn]BL[192]
;W[po]WL[55]
;B[hr]BL[172]
;W[hq]WL[43]
;B[ir]BL[171]
;W[gr]WL[598]
;B[er]BL[120]
;W[dp]WL[568]
;B[cq]BL[115]
;W[fr]WL[566]
;B[dr]BL[112]
;W[gm]WL[542]
;B[qq]BL[89]
;W[bo]WL[525]
;B[bn]BL[586]
;W[cn]WL[520]
;B[co]BL[585]
;W[bm]WL[517]
;B[bp]BL[585]
;W[rg]WL[514]
;B[rf]BL[549]
;W[qg]WL[509]
;B[qf]BL[547]
;W[an]WL[485]
;B[br]BL[546]
;W[lr]WL[475]
;B[mr]BL[529]
;W[pf]WL[458]
;B[sg]BL[525]
;W[ri]WL[440]
;B[si]BL[524]
;W[sj]WL[426]
;B[sh]BL[523]
;W[rj]WL[419]
;B[ah]BL[513]
;W[aj]WL[416]
;B[bf]BL[509]
;W[be]WL[415]
;B[ae]BL[509]
;W[ad]WL[412]
;B[af]BL[509]
;W[bc]WL[378]
;B[pe]BL[491]
;W[qc]WL[369]
;B[rc]BL[490]
;W[pb]WL[368]
;B[pc]BL[489]
;W[lo]WL[342]
;B[ko]BL[487]
;W[qc]WL[341]
;B[rb]BL[485]
;W[rp]WL[320]
;B[rq]BL[430]
;W[lc]WL[286]
;B[hf]BL[414]
;W[ii]WL[598]
;B[ig]BL[414]
;W[of]WL[585]
;B[rn]BL[400]
;W[qn]WL[582]
;B[ro]BL[399]
;W[qp]WL[581]
;B[sp]BL[398]
;W[kr]WL[569]
;B[lq]BL[598]
;W[hs]WL[568]
;B[ks]BL[598]
;W[bg]WL[567]
;B[ag]BL[596]
;W[ch]WL[567]
;B[dg]BL[596]
;W[ia]WL[563]
;B[ha]BL[595]
;W[mf]WL[560]
;B[gg]BL[593]
;W[so]WL[557]
;B[sn]BL[591]
;W[rm]WL[557]
;B[sq]BL[541]
;W[sm]WL[552]
;B[so]BL[537])
(;W[mh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: will this be possible?
Finnish8d [-\]: to me this is the last hope
Tien [9d?\]: How to read this kind of a fight...
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Namii [8d\]: this is very tricky, w has a lot of liberties 
Mokki [2d\]: b resists at O11 now?
Finnish8d [-\]: well, that is not a problem actually
Finnish8d [-\]: cos w aim is to take away b liberty on M13 group
Finnish8d [-\]: otherwise the fight is directly one liberty behind
Finnish8d [-\]: so O11 is not related
Finnish8d [-\]: it is just
]
(;B[ng]C[Tien [9d?\]: Let's say I take a liberty
Finnish8d [-\]: in case if b jumps
Tien [9d?\]: H12
])
(;B[hh]
;W[jh]C[Tien [9d?\]: So now white has five
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, take one more
]
;B[he]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so still not enough
Tien [9d?\]: So I think we can conclude there is nothing anymore
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so basically
])))
(;W[hk]
;B[il]
;W[hj]
;B[hm]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]
;W[gm]
;B[em]
;W[im]
;B[hn]
;W[kl]
;B[jm]
(;W[ll]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I wonder if this is a more hopeful way
Finnish8d [-\]: so actually my feeling is this
Tien [9d?\]: H12 now
Namii [8d\]: Wait, this is JEM review session?
]
;B[hh]C[Tien [9d?\]: Sure
]
;W[jh]C[Tien [9d?\]: And m9
]
;B[lk]
;W[mk]
;B[mj]
;W[in]C[Namii [8d\]: Sorry for being late ^^;
Tien [9d?\]: And turn, huh
Tien [9d?\]: np
]
;B[km]C[Namii [8d\]: but this one we already reviewed before
Namii [8d\]: so I guess I didn't have anything to add that wasn't here already
Tien [9d?\]: Just not online
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[ml]
;B[ln]C[Tien [9d?\]: White doesn't seem to have 
Tien [9d?\]: a direct solution
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: too limited liberties
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
])
(;W[in]C[Finnish8d [-\]: probably this?
Tien [9d?\]: I remember reading something else for this, let me see...
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Finnish8d [-\]: cos this is the one I expect to happen when watching
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, no, it was like this after all
Finnish8d [-\]: so you mean w still cannot do it
Tien [9d?\]: Overall white doesn't have many liberties though
Tien [9d?\]: So if black pushes twice?
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: well
])))
(;W[di]C[Tien [9d?\]: Black'll have to do b8 then
Tien [9d?\]: But if the three die, white is fine
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: So it's tough, huh
Finnish8d [-\]: so I wonder if b will do the same still
Finnish8d [-\]: this is the one I wanted to mention a week ago
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, I knew that
Finnish8d [-\]: but to w, yeah definitely this
Tien [9d?\]: You mentioned "sacrificing the two" then
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, wait
Tien [9d?\]: Black b8
]
;B[bl]
;W[fi]
;B[eh]
;W[gi]
;B[gm]
;W[bm]C[Tien [9d?\]: And g8
]
;B[gl]
;W[al]
;B[bi]
;W[cn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This is actually what I have discussed with Namii during the game
Tien [9d?\]: J9, does the group live?
]
;B[ik]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ah, yes it does
]
(;W[ij]
;B[ih])
(;W[ih]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: Well I believe it is tough to w still
Finnish8d [-\]: but game continues
Tien [9d?\]: H3 or something next
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])))
(;W[ho]C[Finnish8d [-\]: how about juse kosumi?
Finnish8d [-\]: just*
Tien [9d?\]: Probably yeah
]))
(;W[hq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I wonder if you may just take the base directly
Tien [9d?\]: I guess that's possible too, yes
Tien [9d?\]: Maybe this is the simplest after all
Finnish8d [-\]: so no need to run
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Mokki [2d\]: is b not happy to play D3 here?
Tien [9d?\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Black'll do that, sure
Tien [9d?\]: But with white e4, the white group is then also safe
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Black's not even so interested in attacking with k3 anymore
]))
(;W[eq]C[Tien [9d?\]: And if top side choice, then it's just r9
Finnish8d [-\]: So just take big spot
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]))
(;B[qp]C[White: Charlie Åkerblom, 4 dan
Black: Juri Kuronen, 6 dan

Result: W+Res
]
;W[dq]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[do]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]
;W[cn]
;B[dr]
;W[cq]
;B[kq]
;W[qj]
;B[qg]
;W[qm]
;B[pk]
;W[om]
;B[qk]
;W[op]
;B[oq]C[Tien [9d?\]: No reason not to, seems to me
]
;W[pp]C[Namii [8d\]: This game basically ends in the first corner :'<
]
;B[pq]
;W[qq]
(;B[rp]C[Namii [8d\]: Should just play the usual joseki with S3, right?
]
;W[qr]
;B[pr]
;W[nq]
;B[nr]
;W[rq]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[sr]
;W[ps]
;B[or]
;W[sq]
;B[sp]
;W[mr]
;B[np]
;W[po]
;B[oo]
;W[pn]
;B[mq]C[Tien [9d?\]: Huge loss alright
]
;W[ro]C[Tien [9d?\]: What
Tien [9d?\]: Not o1?
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe w should 
Namii [8d\]: Yeah should, and b has to connect at o3
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[fp]
;W[jc]
;B[em]C[Tien [9d?\]: Too slow, seems like
Tien [9d?\]: New corner for the time being
Finnish8d [-\]: With w P7 existing, I cannot agree with this keima
Finnish8d [-\]: since b bottom cannot be too big anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: so yeah b should tenuki
]
;W[cf]
;B[oc]
;W[dl]
;B[fc]
;W[el]
(;B[id]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: but his E8 is another mistake
Tien [9d?\]: Well, e8 gave something away too
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Finnish8d [-\]: just this shoulder...
Namii [8d\]: Probably just D8 here?
Tien [9d?\]: D18, you mean
Namii [8d\]: D18*
Finnish8d [-\]: I think b has to be patient
Namii [8d\]: yes
]
;W[jd]
;B[ie]
;W[hb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so b here just helped w weak stone
]
;B[hc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: what I'd say here? :P
Tien [9d?\]: :D
Finnish8d [-\]: I don't understand Namii here
Finnish8d [-\]: dancing moves.
]
;W[ic]
;B[dg]
(;W[gc]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]C[Namii [8d\]: Good definition :p
]
;B[ed]
;W[gd]C[Namii [8d\]: I realized E15 immediately afterwards
Namii [8d\]: so I should just e.g. D15 and D14
Namii [8d\]: then G15
Namii [8d\]: or maybe not g15 at all
Namii [8d\]: those stones are still lightish
Finnish8d [-\]: to me not G15 at all, right
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: w top side is already alive and even strong
Tien [9d?\]: I don't get d13
Finnish8d [-\]: so left side should be b focus
Namii [8d\]: well
Namii [8d\]: d13 is 'dreaming
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah could Namii explain D13? ^^
Namii [8d\]: I was hoping white D14
Namii [8d\]: then I will d17 and crosscut
Tien [9d?\]: I would be happy to play d14 as white?
]
(;B[ge]C[Namii [8d\]: G15 came too fast
]
;W[ee]
;B[de]
;W[cd]
;B[fe]
;W[ef]
;B[gb]
;W[hd]
;B[he]
;W[eg]
(;B[eh]
;W[fh]
;B[ei]
;W[df]
;B[fj]
;W[fb]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[Namii [8d\]: don't know why he didn't cut me
Namii [8d\]: and permtied f8
]
;B[gl]C[Namii [8d\]: permited*
]
;W[lm]
(;B[pj]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]
;W[gm]
;B[hm]
;W[en]
;B[hn]
;W[rd]
(;B[re]
;W[pb]
(;B[rc]
;W[ob]C[Namii [8d\]: so like Jeff said, couldn't get into the game
]
;B[nb]
;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[nd]
;B[lb]
;W[rb]C[Namii [8d\]: B's moves in this game are too impulsive
]
;B[sd]
;W[md]C[Tien [9d?\]: Cannot?
Namii [8d\]: so of course I cannot come back like this
Tien [9d?\]: S15 is not required
]
;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]C[Tien [9d?\]: Is there a difference?
Namii [8d\]: hmm
]
(;B[sb]C[Namii [8d\]: And now byo-yomi
]
;W[na]
;B[mb]
;W[kb]
;B[ma]C[Namii [8d\]: T18 should be O19
]
;W[lc]
;B[kc]
;W[kd]
;B[pa]
;W[qa]
;B[oa]
;W[na]
;B[oa]
;W[lc]
;B[ra]
;W[sa]
;B[sc]
;W[ka]
;B[ra]
;W[ig]
;B[hg]
;W[hh]
;B[ih]
;W[gg]
;B[jg]
;W[hf]
;B[if]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Agreed
Namii [8d\]: Next one ;P
Finnish8d [-\]: impossible for b to handle both
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Finnish8d [-\]: so Tien takes it then
Tien [9d?\]: ok
]
;W[sa]C[Namii [8d\]: Well, game is over
]
;B[fd]
;W[ga]
;B[ra]
;W[ii]
;B[jh]
;W[hj]
;B[ik]
;W[sa]
;B[ji]
;W[la]
;B[mm]
;W[ml]
;B[mn]
;W[nl]
;B[ll]
;W[jf]
;B[hg]
;W[lk]
;B[kl]
;W[ig]
;B[rr]
;W[so]
;B[hg]
;W[mo])
(;B[na]C[Tien [9d?\]: To me this is the moment
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: you mean do that
Tien [9d?\]: It's just difficult with the n15 cut
Tien [9d?\]: Well, not important anyway
Tien [9d?\]: Probably ko is right here
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
(;W[sb]
;B[oa]
;W[pa]
;B[ra]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then this works
Tien [9d?\]: N18
Namii [8d\]: I was reading O19 in the game
Namii [8d\]: but it was complicated
]
(;W[la]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah of course
]
(;B[ka]
;W[kb]
;B[ma]
;W[ja]C[Namii [8d\]: right
Namii [8d\]: so even worse ko
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Probably not l19 now though
Tien [9d?\]: Connect
])
(;B[mb]))
(;W[ma]
;B[mb]
;W[kb]C[Tien [9d?\]: No, 18
Namii [8d\]: and I thought it wouldn't make much difference
])
(;W[mb]
;B[ma]
;W[ka]C[Tien [9d?\]: L19
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;B[la]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hmm
Tien [9d?\]: Wrong order huh
Tien [9d?\]: But anyway, black survives
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Q19 might be unnecessary though
Tien [9d?\]: Costs a liberty
]))
(;W[lc]
;B[kc]
;W[kd]
;B[lc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: nono
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
(;W[ma]
;B[jb])
(;W[ka]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
(;B[me]
;W[ne]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hmm
]
;B[mf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: instead of this
Finnish8d [-\]: now
]
(;W[nf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: throw in?
])
(;W[la]C[Tien [9d?\]: Or even just
Finnish8d [-\]: right : )
]))
(;B[jb]
;W[ja]
;B[la]C[Tien [9d?\]: Maybe black is still dead, then
]
;W[ib])))))
(;B[mm]C[Finnish8d [-\]: still I think you have to do this
Finnish8d [-\]: that corner b cannot kill all anyway
]))
(;B[qb]C[Tien [9d?\]: For example that, yeah
Namii [8d\]: I was afraid of aji
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok, yeah this is more like it
Namii [8d\]: but I guess still should do it
Finnish8d [-\]: right, b has to
Namii [8d\]: now that I look at it I disagree with many of my moves
]))
(;B[mm]C[Finnish8d [-\]: possible?
Namii [8d\]: Has to :P
Namii [8d\]: no matter what happens
Finnish8d [-\]: I mean, w supplied a bank ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: there wasn't any
]))
(;B[fd]
;W[hc]
;B[eb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I feel like b has to be realistic first
Tien [9d?\]: So must n17 now
]
;W[mc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and now b may think about left side
Namii [8d\]: Right
Tien [9d?\]: Nothing much there, though
Namii [8d\]: same seq as in the game
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]))
(;B[df]C[Finnish8d [-\]: This maybe?
Namii [8d\]: Yes :p
Namii [8d\]: g15 was too automatic
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]))
(;W[df]C[Namii [8d\]: so to heavily overconcentrate white's shape
]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[cd]C[Namii [8d\]: then aim at jumping to f13
Namii [8d\]: so basically: no plan
Namii [8d\]: This was not a good game by me, too stressed
Finnish8d [-\]: Normally when getting behind, we keep strong shape to prepare for any possible 'bank'
Finnish8d [-\]: and I have to say in this game b is doing the opposite
Finnish8d [-\]: you might get w overconcentrated, not enough to catch up in this way though
Finnish8d [-\]: cos b has weak shapes here just
Tien [9d?\]: White could probably even just capture, yes
]
;W[bd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Antti means this?
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Tien [9d?\]: I don't feel like I have to fight
]
;B[ed]
;W[ce]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah w is leading
]))
(;B[lc])
(;B[cb])
(;B[db]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I am between those 2
Tien [9d?\]: Definitely d18 to me
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: I am afraid
]
;W[gc]C[Tien [9d?\]: I don't know what to do if white gets e17
Finnish8d [-\]: w will attach here
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, I can handle this
Tien [9d?\]: g16 or whatever
]
;B[gd]
;W[hc]C[Tien [9d?\]: And attach
]
(;B[cc])
(;B[ed]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah, that one
]
;W[dc]C[Tien [9d?\]: Hane and extend
]
;B[de]
;W[ce]
;B[cb]C[Namii [8d\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok get you : )
])))
(;B[rq]
;W[qr]
;B[rr]
;W[qo]
;B[rp]
;W[nq]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[qs]C[Namii [8d\]: I didn't like all those forcing moves, plus white lives immediately
]
;W[mp]C[Namii [8d\]: Now H3 or so
Namii [8d\]: I guess it's okay
Namii [8d\]: better than the game, at least
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
]
;B[fp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: can we do tiger?
Finnish8d [-\]: H3 is ugly to me :P
Tien [9d?\]: Seems good
Finnish8d [-\]: and if w invades, we face to it
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]))
(;B[pd]BL[3596]C[White: Juuso Nyyssönen, 5 dan
Black: Johan Berntsson, 4 dan

Result: W+Res
]
;W[dp]WL[3598]
;B[pq]BL[3588]
;W[dc]WL[3592]
;B[cf]BL[3576]
;W[cd]WL[3578]
;B[dj]BL[3573]
;W[cl]WL[3573]
;B[ef]BL[3569]
;W[gc]WL[3529]
;B[fq]BL[3536]
;W[dq]WL[3507]
;B[iq]BL[3511]
;W[po]WL[3486]
;B[np]BL[3488]
;W[qq]WL[3476]
;B[qr]BL[3483]
;W[qp]WL[3367]
;B[rr]BL[3480]
;W[ql]WL[3330]
;B[co]BL[3388]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but now it is fine
]
(;W[do]WL[3152]
;B[cn]BL[3346]
;W[dn]WL[3000]
;B[bq]BL[3304]
;W[cm]WL[2742]
;B[cr]BL[3297]
;W[dr]WL[2716]
;B[bo]BL[3272]
;W[el]WL[2534]
;B[bj]BL[3180]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this trade is unfair
Tien [9d?\]: RIght, true
]
;W[kq]WL[2434]C[Namii [8d\]: Rank is fixed to 4d? :P
]
;B[mq]BL[3119]C[Namii [8d\]: "fixed"
Namii [8d\]: He is 1d egf
Tien [9d?\]: Oh, he was 1d on the page
Tien [9d?\]: Accident, fixing it later
Namii [8d\]: 2144 gor
]
;W[jp]WL[2428]
;B[ho]BL[3046]C[Tien [9d?\]: And white just cannot fight this
]
;W[dg]WL[2401]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[df]BL[2966]
;W[jn]WL[2376]
;B[hm]BL[2947]
;W[ci]WL[2302]C[Tien [9d?\]: What is white doing?
]
;B[cj]BL[2919]
;W[fk]WL[2236]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so in fact in the game, at the end of the fight, i believe w got a good deal
]
(;B[il]BL[2900]
;W[cg]WL[2227]
;B[fj]BL[2808]C[Namii [8d\]: I don't believe w can reasonaably put any real pressure on h5 there
Namii [8d\]: with 2 weak groups
]
;W[eg]WL[2191]
;B[gj]BL[2716]
;W[gp]WL[2177]
;B[io]BL[2624]
;W[gq]WL[2151]
;B[hq]BL[2586]
;W[gr]WL[2088]
;B[ll]BL[2494]
;W[ff]WL[2063]
;B[bg]BL[2402]
;W[bh]WL[2050]
;B[mm]BL[2310]C[Finnish8d [-\]: to me w earlier D5 wasn't realistic, so caused this difficulty
Tien [9d?\]: Ah, so you disagreed with that
Namii [8d\]: hehe
Tien [9d?\]: So yeah, then this is a good deal for sure
]
;W[nc]WL[2039]
;B[qj]BL[2218]C[Namii [8d\]: yup
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this one
]
(;W[ol]WL[1934]
;B[gd]BL[2126]
;W[fd]WL[1874]C[Finnish8d [-\]: if he does O6 quick enough
]
;B[fg]BL[2034]
;W[gf]WL[1794]
;B[af]BL[1957]
;W[ei]WL[1758]
;B[ej]BL[1946]
;W[gh]WL[1683]
;B[ah]BL[1914]
;W[qf]WL[1494]
;B[oe]BL[1862]
;W[qc]WL[1486]
;B[bi]BL[1841]
;W[pc]WL[1440]C[Tien [9d?\]: Still looks fine to white, even if the black got out
Finnish8d [-\]: it is pretty comfortable to w
]
;B[fc]BL[1805]
;W[hc]WL[1377]
;B[ed]BL[1791]
;W[fe]WL[1376]
;B[hg]BL[1709]
;W[gg]WL[1365]
;B[me]BL[1617]
;W[ld]WL[1254]
;B[oj]BL[1594]
(;W[re]WL[1219]
;B[qn]BL[1534]
;W[pn]WL[1107]C[Finnish8d [-\]: no good way here, I watched this
Finnish8d [-\]: w just owes a move here all the time
]
;B[le]BL[1442]C[Tien [9d?\]: So p8 was a problem after all
Finnish8d [-\]: and w should have done O6 far earlier
Tien [9d?\]: I had concerns about that
]
;W[kd]WL[1080]
;B[qm]BL[1380]
;W[rl]WL[926]
;B[pm]BL[1331]
;W[om]WL[924]
;B[pl]BL[1326]
;W[pk]WL[923]
;B[ro]BL[1234]
;W[ok]WL[836]
;B[qk]BL[1224]
;W[pj]WL[834]
;B[qi]BL[1216]
;W[pi]WL[824]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and here w underestimated b counter
]
;B[qh]BL[1196]
;W[nn]WL[803]
;B[ph]BL[1104]C[Tien [9d?\]: Right, this got uncomfortable
]
;W[nj]WL[737]
(;B[nh]BL[1012]
;W[oh]WL[703]
;B[og]BL[1003]
;W[oi]WL[703]
;B[lj]BL[966]
;W[mk]WL[697]
;B[mn]BL[924]
;W[lk]WL[688]
;B[kk]BL[916]
;W[ml]WL[637]
;B[no]BL[877]
;W[kl]WL[628]
;B[lm]BL[875]
;W[kj]WL[625]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w led by a lot earlier, so just living here is still good
]
;B[jk]BL[874]
;W[li]WL[619]
;B[ke]BL[782]
;W[jd]WL[595]
;B[lh]BL[690]
;W[kh]WL[559]C[Tien [9d?\]: Seems so
Tien [9d?\]: Did black have a stronger attack?
]
;B[mi]BL[598]
;W[mj]WL[555]
;B[kg]BL[529]
;W[lg]WL[540]
;B[mh]BL[526]
;W[js]WL[484]
;B[jh]BL[437]
;W[ki]WL[460]
;B[jr]BL[361]
;W[is]WL[447]
;B[ks]BL[296]
;W[qo]WL[438]
;B[rn]BL[267]
;W[rp]WL[435]
;B[rk]BL[263]
;W[hr]WL[412]
;B[kr]BL[249]
;W[be]WL[400]
;B[bf]BL[243]
;W[jg]WL[385]
;B[kf]BL[233]
;W[ih]WL[378]
;B[ji]BL[209]
;W[jj]WL[359]
;B[ec]BL[117]
;W[ee]WL[356]
;B[db]BL[112]
;W[de]WL[117]
;B[bc]BL[41]
;W[cb]WL[78]
;B[cc]BL[34]
;W[dd]WL[77]
;B[bb]BL[32]
;W[eb]WL[76]
;B[ca]BL[31]
;W[fb]WL[58]
;B[if]BL[8]
;W[ik]WL[52]
;B[jl]BL[5]
;W[pg]WL[49]
;B[nf]BL[513]
;W[mg]WL[40]
;B[ng]BL[478]
;W[pf]WL[20]
;B[nd]BL[466]
;W[md]WL[548]
;B[of]BL[385]
;W[oc]WL[545]
;B[od]BL[360]
;W[bm]WL[538]
;B[cp]BL[336]
;W[so]WL[531]
;B[sl]BL[326]
;W[sn]WL[529]
;B[rm]BL[324]
;W[rg]WL[528]
;B[rh]BL[315]
;W[fn]WL[496]
;B[qd]BL[312]
;W[rd]WL[495]
;B[sq]BL[301]
;W[rq]WL[489]
;B[go]BL[274]
;W[fo]WL[486]
;B[ch]BL[234]
;W[ie]WL[417]
;B[nm]BL[191]
;W[on]WL[413]
;B[hi]BL[163]
;W[ii]WL[408]
;B[hf]BL[157]
;W[oq]WL[371]
;B[op]BL[130]
;W[pr]WL[368]
;B[pp]BL[128]
;W[or]WL[368]
;B[nr]BL[82]
;W[qs]WL[361]
;B[rs]BL[49]
;W[sr]WL[359]
;B[ps]BL[43]
;W[os]WL[359]
;B[nq]BL[39]
;W[qs]WL[358])
(;B[oi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Finnish8d [-\]: well I think w is fine anyway
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, you're probably right
Tien [9d?\]: That kind of a group cannot die
]
;W[mk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, once it is alive, w is good
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah okay, this game was a pretty comfortable win
Tien [9d?\]: Just the start was troublesome
Tien [9d?\]: Last one, then?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[nn]C[Tien [9d?\]: So here then, for example
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[pj]C[Tien [9d?\]: More like this direction, no?
Finnish8d [-\]: well to me w jump is fine
]))
(;B[fi]C[Tien [9d?\]: So black had to go here?
Finnish8d [-\]: I would
Namii [8d\]: Not only big
]))
(;W[cp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Tien [9d?\]: You'll do this?
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Tien [9d?\]: Ok, I see
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, maybe this is better after all
Finnish8d [-\]: cos b at bottom has that solid 2 space extension
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]))
(;B[qd]BL[3576]C[White: Micael Svensson, 2 dan
Black: Jesse Savo, 4 dan

Result: W+Res
]
;W[dc]WL[3558]
;B[oq]BL[3530]
;W[dp]WL[3504]
;B[nc]BL[3486]
;W[qj]WL[3468]
;B[fq]BL[3385]
;W[cn]WL[3453]
;B[ip]BL[3361]
;W[qg]WL[3327]
;B[cf]BL[3341]
;W[cd]WL[3300]
;B[ci]BL[3324]
;W[dr]WL[3223]
;B[ph]BL[3046]
;W[ri]WL[3007]C[Tien [9d?\]: ...
Tien [9d?\]: What?
]
;B[id]BL[2830]
;W[dh]WL[2943]
;B[ch]BL[2765]
;W[kq]WL[2920]
(;B[kp]BL[2637]
;W[lp]WL[2900]
;B[ko]BL[2615]
;W[jq]WL[2887]
;B[iq]BL[2611]
;W[mq]WL[2869]
;B[do]BL[2304]C[Finnish8d [-\]: about Q12 and J16, we may just say 'confused'
Tien [9d?\]: Hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: L4 we say wrong
Tien [9d?\]: The following is difficult to understand, too
]
;W[eo]WL[2840]
;B[ep]BL[2274]
;W[eq]WL[2719]
;B[fp]BL[2269]
;W[dn]WL[2696]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah b wanna fix the cut in sente
]
;B[er]BL[2263]
;W[dq]WL[2691]
;B[fo]BL[2258]
;W[en]WL[2654]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and w cooperated
Tien [9d?\]: Black cost a lot though, so I don't think white minds
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
]
;B[qp]BL[2190]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so L4 is the first wrong one I think
Tien [9d?\]: I didn't get q12 or j16 either
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
]
;W[mn]WL[2565]
;B[qh]BL[2121]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just to explain b logic here
Namii [8d\]: Lost D7 too
Namii [8d\]: gave w that thick wall
]
;W[rh]WL[2560]
;B[pg]BL[2120]
;W[qf]WL[2556]
;B[pf]BL[2119]
;W[qe]WL[2547]
;B[pe]BL[2117]
;W[rd]WL[2542]
;B[rc]BL[2110]C[Tien [9d?\]: Oh right, I saw this part
Tien [9d?\]: The most inexplicable part of the game
]
;W[re]WL[2471]
;B[fc]BL[1945]C[Finnish8d [-\]: neglect R17 all the time :P
Tien [9d?\]: Why doesn't anybody care about that r17
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
]
;W[df]WL[2447]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I know you will say this ^^
]
;B[dg]BL[1862]
;W[eg]WL[2444]
;B[cg]BL[1860]
;W[de]WL[2443]
;B[ig]BL[1470]
;W[gr]WL[2323]
;B[ir]BL[1352]
;W[fr]WL[2317]
(;B[lm]BL[1318]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[ln]WL[2301]
;B[kn]BL[1315]
;W[km]WL[2295]
;B[ll]BL[1275]C[Namii [8d\]: How's m6
]
;W[kl]WL[2233]C[Namii [8d\]: if b really wants to be aggressive
Namii [8d\]: hmm, still too difficult, huh
]
;B[im]BL[1240]C[Finnish8d [-\]: that keima is an overplay
Tien [9d?\]: This game is too difficult to follow anyway
]
;W[lk]WL[2218]
;B[nm]BL[1211]
;W[op]WL[1995]
;B[pq]BL[977]
;W[on]WL[1702]
;B[kk]BL[901]
;W[jk]WL[1685]
;B[kj]BL[897]
;W[jl]WL[1558]
(;B[jj]BL[844]
;W[hk]WL[1539]
;B[hl]BL[681]
;W[ij]WL[1515]
;B[ii]BL[602]C[Tien [9d?\]: And this one, too
Tien [9d?\]: Still n9
Namii [8d\]: in any case
Finnish8d [-\]: b just believes the top centre is big
Tien [9d?\]: Black pushes too hard and then costs a move
]
;W[gk]WL[1502]
;B[jm]BL[593]C[Namii [8d\]: b is playing as if m9 didn't exist..
]
;W[ik]WL[1501]
;B[gm]BL[566]
;W[lj]WL[1283]C[Namii [8d\]: hard to agree with b
Namii [8d\]: he did all those moves
Tien [9d?\]: But yeah, once it gets here, black is in trouble
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: and still left the weakenss intact
Namii [8d\]: so instead of K10, just N9?
]
;B[li]BL[536]
;W[mi]WL[1280]
;B[lh]BL[534]
;W[ck]WL[1217]
;B[eh]BL[469]
;W[fn]WL[1189]
;B[gn]BL[453]
;W[gq]WL[1180]
;B[hp]BL[287]
;W[nj]WL[1127]
;B[mh]BL[249]
;W[hc]WL[1100]C[Namii [8d\]: so  all of a sudden w made 20 pts :P
Namii [8d\]: b got 'stones'
Tien [9d?\]: And that r17 is still there :D
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[ic]BL[240]
;W[ib]WL[1064]
;B[jb]BL[237]
;W[hb]WL[1062]
;B[hd]BL[237]
;W[gc]WL[1050]
;B[gd]BL[226]
;W[fb]WL[1046]
(;B[ni]BL[215]
;W[nk]WL[1020]C[Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, this was expensive
Tien [9d?\]: Now there's absolutely nothing
]
(;B[qb]BL[562]
;W[qn]WL[970]C[Namii [8d\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: now we can count
Tien [9d?\]: Right, finally
Finnish8d [-\]: I did, b is still behind
Finnish8d [-\]: I did during the game actually
Tien [9d?\]: Less than 80 for black
Tien [9d?\]: About the same for white on the board
Namii [8d\]: opportunity for b to make extra points with e14 cut, h9 group's weakness
Tien [9d?\]: H9 is strong
Tien [9d?\]: Nothing from that group
Tien [9d?\]: See m8
Namii [8d\]: ah oops
Namii [8d\]: :D
Namii [8d\]: btw
Tien [9d?\]: It's not so bad for black, yet
Namii [8d\]: any chance we can get s6 work, instead of game's s5?
Tien [9d?\]: Just a bit bad
Namii [8d\]: that could be something already
Tien [9d?\]: I don't think so
]
(;B[ro]BL[556]
;W[bj]WL[785]
;B[dk]BL[510]
;W[hi]WL[765]
;B[ih]BL[498]
;W[fh]WL[699]
;B[ei]BL[488]
;W[ja]WL[662]C[Finnish8d [-\]: after this just one last thing in this game
]
;B[ia]BL[478]
;W[ha]WL[656]
;B[kb]BL[477]
;W[rn]WL[646]
;B[mj]BL[470]
;W[mk]WL[645]
;B[fd]BL[421]
;W[rq]WL[536]
;B[rp]BL[407]
;W[nr]WL[531]
;B[rr]BL[373]
;W[qr]WL[494]
(;B[sq]BL[284]
;W[rs]WL[482]
;B[sr]BL[269]
;W[or]WL[412]
;B[pr]BL[263]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this corner was very painful
]
;W[ps]WL[405]
;B[qq]BL[256]
;W[be]WL[301]
;B[cj]BL[222]
;W[bk]WL[224]
;B[fg]BL[163]
;W[ef]WL[167]
;B[fi]BL[118]
;W[so]WL[80]
;B[nq]BL[91]
;W[lo]WL[62]
;B[fl]BL[73]
;W[jp]WL[52]
;B[jo]BL[68]
;W[io]WL[51]
;B[jn]BL[68]
;W[gp]WL[8]
;B[go]BL[64]
;W[ff]WL[531]
;B[eb]BL[19]
(;W[ec]WL[527]
;B[fa]BL[19]
;W[gb]WL[525]
;B[db]BL[600]
;W[cb]WL[520]
;B[ea]BL[598]
;W[ca]WL[514]
;B[ka]BL[598]
;W[da]WL[503]
;B[ia]BL[597]
;W[ga]WL[500]
;B[eb]BL[596]
;W[ja]WL[499]C[Namii [8d\]: But w missed this
]
;B[cl]BL[585]C[Namii [8d\]: that was big
]
;W[bl]WL[413]
;B[ia]BL[581]
;W[fk]WL[380]
;B[el]BL[560]
;W[ja]WL[378]
;B[oj]BL[547]
;W[ok]WL[377]
;B[ia]BL[547]C[Namii [8d\]: actually
]
;W[gl]WL[353]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah, but b doesn't have enough threats
Namii [8d\]: E17 is a big mistake
Namii [8d\]: by w
]
;B[fm]BL[544]
;W[ja]WL[353]C[Namii [8d\]: just e19
]
;B[pj]BL[544]
;W[pk]WL[351]
;B[ia]BL[544]
;W[ek]WL[337]
;B[dl]BL[537]
;W[ja]WL[332]
;B[po]BL[398]
;W[pn]WL[230]
;B[ia]BL[396]
;W[mr]WL[216]
;B[ss]BL[364]
;W[ja]WL[213]
;B[no]BL[362]
;W[nn]WL[201]
;B[ia]BL[361]
;W[os]WL[198]
;B[qs]BL[357]
;W[ja]WL[197]C[Namii [8d\]: b7
Namii [8d\]: that's a lot more threats
Namii [8d\]: and w is already running low
]
(;B[cm]BL[339]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hane
]
;W[bm]WL[195]
;B[ia]BL[337]
;W[il]WL[188]
;B[hm]BL[331]
;W[ja]WL[598]
;B[gh]BL[320]
;W[db]WL[587]
;B[gf]BL[318]
;W[jr]WL[542]
;B[hs]BL[563]
;W[bi]WL[527]
;B[bf]BL[559]
;W[bh]WL[493]
;B[ce]BL[527]
;W[bd]WL[489]
;B[fe]BL[526]
;W[pi]WL[418]
;B[oi]BL[524]
;W[qi]WL[418]
;B[gs]BL[272]
;W[mi]WL[384]
;B[fs]BL[266]
;W[es]WL[383]
;B[js]BL[251]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then it is done
]
;W[ks]WL[379]
;B[is]BL[248]
;W[nh]WL[378]
;B[mj]BL[244]
;W[ji]WL[377]
;B[ki]BL[243]
;W[mi]WL[377]
;B[oh]BL[243]
;W[af]WL[350]
;B[ag]BL[241]
;W[ae]WL[349]
;B[bg]BL[238]
;W[ah]WL[347]
;B[ej]BL[237]
;W[sc]WL[295]
;B[sb]BL[234]
;W[sd]WL[290]
;B[ia]BL[206]
;W[ea]WL[288]
;B[hh]BL[192]
;W[mm]WL[280]
;B[ja]BL[72]
;W[mj]WL[275]
;B[sp]BL[64]
;W[sn]WL[274]
;B[ho]BL[60]
;W[np]WL[268]
;B[oo]BL[58]
;W[ml]WL[261]
;B[hq]BL[55]
;W[er]WL[598]
;B[]BL[51]
;W[]WL[594]
;B[]BL[51]C[Tien [9d?\]: Finally how much?
Namii [8d\]: Oh, another thing
Tien [9d?\]: 7.5 huh
Namii [8d\]: to me
Tien [9d?\]: The lower right corner is very expensive then
Namii [8d\]: b has another option instead of c7
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;B[bm]
;W[cm]
;B[bn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: still not enough though
]
;W[bo]C[Tien [9d?\]: Just one more threat
Namii [8d\]: isn't b4 another threat?
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Tien [9d?\]: Doesn't seem like it
Namii [8d\]: ah
Namii [8d\]: ofc not
Namii [8d\]: but b11 is
Namii [8d\]: no
Tien [9d?\]: So o11 cost the game?
Namii [8d\]: gsidghs
Namii [8d\]: mushrooms
Namii [8d\]: :D
Finnish8d [-\]: O11 that is, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: before that it was pretty random
Tien [9d?\]: Interesting
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Then suddenly it became a fairly good white lead
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Tien [9d?\]: Alrighty, then one last topic:
Tien [9d?\]: Would Namii have time to clean this file in the next few days?
Tien [9d?\]: I can do it, but it'll take until Friday for me
Namii [8d\]: Well
Namii [8d\]: I can, but I still think your methodology is simply better, and faster :P
Tien [9d?\]: Let's say I'll do it, then
Namii [8d\]: but I don't know if I also have time
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Namii [8d\]: I'm a bit stressed by my coming exam + school work
Tien [9d?\]: I'll upload the unclean file for now and say that the clean one will day in several days
Tien [9d?\]: Ok
Finnish8d [-\]: Tien:
Namii [8d\]: Ok, thanks :)
Finnish8d [-\]: so Mokki is here
Finnish8d [-\]: you may directly tell him the time you want, for Ali Jabarin next Tuesday
]))
(;W[ea]C[Tien [9d?\]: Seems legit
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok ^^  I also missed this
]
;B[db]C[Namii [8d\]: so cut
]
;W[ec]
;B[cb]
;W[bb]C[Namii [8d\]: and b18
]))
(;B[ps]C[Tien [9d?\]: No problem?
Namii [8d\]: I wonder why Jesse didn't fight here for points
Finnish8d [-\]: to me it is fine
Namii [8d\]: he must have been aware of the score
])
(;B[rs]C[Finnish8d [-\]: well
Tien [9d?\]: At least this
Finnish8d [-\]: in his mind E18 is the one he wants to get eagerly
Finnish8d [-\]: I guess
]))
(;B[rn]
;W[ro]
;B[qo]
;W[rm]
;B[pn]
;W[qm]C[Tien [9d?\]: What do you get?
Namii [8d\]: well 
Namii [8d\]: M4 group's connection is not that secure
Finnish8d [-\]: but b need to get something there, now
Finnish8d [-\]: or it is a pure loss
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: so cannot S6 first at least
Namii [8d\]: and I guess
Namii [8d\]: even then
Namii [8d\]: w captured the stone
Namii [8d\]: already b lost
Namii [8d\]: so at most b can get that back
Finnish8d [-\]: in the game
Finnish8d [-\]: I was thinking about
Finnish8d [-\]: instead of O11
Finnish8d [-\]: can b get like R7 in sente
Finnish8d [-\]: and manage to get R18
Tien [9d?\]: one moment, call
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Namii [8d\]: Interesting
Namii [8d\]: That's an idea ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe just have to find out something for b
Finnish8d [-\]: but in fact I am not sure if it is possible
Finnish8d [-\]: after all R18 is bigger
Tien [9d?\]: back
]))
(;B[qm]C[Tien [9d?\]: In sente? Impossible
]))
(;B[qm]C[Tien [9d?\]: Ok, more possible
Tien [9d?\]: Yeah, this could work
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: I wasn't quite sure
Tien [9d?\]: So o9 next if white doesn't respond
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Tien [9d?\]: And something like white q7 doesn't help enough
Tien [9d?\]: That's a big thing, actually
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: b probably didn't expect w bamboo when doing O11
]))
(;B[mk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so b cannot get sente to save the initial keima stone
Tien [9d?\]: For sure
Tien [9d?\]: But this is just one of them
]))
(;B[kl]C[Tien [9d?\]: This one, for instance
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
])
(;B[ln]C[Namii [8d\]: and w has forcing moves with p4 etc
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Tien [9d?\]: Well, might work
Tien [9d?\]: Anything's better than the game anyway
]))
(;B[qp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Tien [9d?\]: Just take the corner?
Finnish8d [-\]: definitely the biggest
Finnish8d [-\]: L4 is directly against theory on weak stone
Tien [9d?\]: right
])))
