(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00]
DT[2014-05-20]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Joukkue-EM 9. kierros
Suomi - Tsekki (1-3)

Namii [8d\]: Ok, store now
Namii [8d\]: will be back asap :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ok as soon as you come back, we start
Finnish8d [-\]: ok nice ^^
Namii [8d\]: just gonna buy food, only timing since 21 is the review lecture
Finnish8d [-\]: right ^^
Namii [8d\]: Ok, I'm here
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so ok let's begin : )
Namii [8d\]: You want the reins firsT? :)
]MULTIGOGM[1]
(;B[qd]C[Black: Juri Kuronen 6 dan
White: Ondrej Silt 6 dan

W+Res

Namii [8d\]: Yes sure
]
;W[pp]
;B[dc]
;W[cp]
;B[ep]
;W[gq]
;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[dq]
;W[cm]
;B[go]
;W[gp]
;B[ho]
;W[ip]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[co]
;W[dp]
;B[do]
;W[eq]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah, get the embarassment away first :P
]
;B[er]
;W[eo]
;B[fp]
;W[fq]
;B[fo]
;W[br]
;B[en]
;W[io]
;B[in]
;W[jn]
;B[im]
;W[jm]C[Namii [8d\]: So J5 was a bit unexpected
Namii [8d\]: I didn't think white may push immediately
Finnish8d [-\]: Me neither
Finnish8d [-\]: but it means he owes a move to protect the cutting point later
Namii [8d\]: Yep
Finnish8d [-\]: so though he gets bigger, hard to say if it is good
Namii [8d\]: So here there are 2 judgments to make
Finnish8d [-\]: so as b, I still think you'd just nobi
Namii [8d\]: (1) Try to get sente to extend on the left
Namii [8d\]: (2) Get the L8 nobi, but then be more severe on the left with tight pincer
Namii [8d\]: hard to say, Fredda thought game is ok, but C14 should be C13
Namii [8d\]: now I agree on nobi, but only if w still L5
Namii [8d\]: If I must pay K8 to get L5, then hane + tenuki I'd do
Namii [8d\]: if w keeps pushing after J8, then hane, protect, extend on the left ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: the thing is, if left side worths more than a move
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: that is w opinion here, since he fought for it, even with K5 behind
]
(;B[jl]
;W[ko]
(;B[kl]
;W[ci]C[Namii [8d\]: then I got L8 + corner shimari + sente
Namii [8d\]: and E6 still acts as thickness
Finnish8d [-\]: Fredda is partly right
Namii [8d\]: so maybe I should still play Fredda's C13 here
Finnish8d [-\]: that in this case, you just have to find a way to attack the left
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: or your thickness there doesn't mean any
]
(;B[cf]
;W[dk]C[Namii [8d\]: So this was too easy
]
(;B[qq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: and I have no local continuatin in the upper left
Namii [8d\]: should we look at J8 variation a bit?
Namii [8d\]: R3 is maybe too optimistic then
Namii [8d\]: Maybe L16?
Finnish8d [-\]: In the game line at this moment, I already felt hopeless
Namii [8d\]: Hehe :P
Namii [8d\]: I still thought it's a long game
Finnish8d [-\]: you have to do something different
Finnish8d [-\]: or, not normal
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: w lower side is 50 pts after this
Finnish8d [-\]: after L5, it is reasonable actually
Namii [8d\]: it is
Finnish8d [-\]: the problem is just where is your 50
Namii [8d\]: but to get better use of L8
Namii [8d\]: I think L16 or so is right
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[qm]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[qr]
;W[nq]
;B[kd]
;W[il]
;B[gm]
;W[od]C[Namii [8d\]: P17 is again optimistic
Namii [8d\]: maybe D12 now?
]
(;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[pc]
;W[nf]C[Namii [8d\]: so the rust is getting off
]
;B[qf]
;W[ik]C[Namii [8d\]: I only helped w fix the problem
Namii [8d\]: I just finish his shapes while getting nothing
Namii [8d\]: so his victory status becomes even more certain
Finnish8d [-\]: w L10 is still a pretty big move
Namii [8d\]: Let me think of something crazy :D
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah please, I cannot figure out anything here in the game
Finnish8d [-\]: to me the game is dead at this moment
Namii [8d\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: :/
Finnish8d [-\]: alright, maybe we just move on a bit more
Namii [8d\]: f10 ?
Finnish8d [-\]: on this game
]
(;B[jj]C[Namii [8d\]: should I take on the fight? :)
Namii [8d\]: but first
Finnish8d [-\]: so you mean to tenuki from here?
Namii [8d\]: have to get O14 on the move
Namii [8d\]: at least do nothing
Namii [8d\]: because K10 is a planless move
]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]C[Namii [8d\]: and now K10
]
;W[fk]C[Namii [8d\]: is a move with no plan
Finnish8d [-\]: cutting point left
Namii [8d\]: well doesn't matter, do nothing and it's better
Finnish8d [-\]: but at that moment I already have no idea how to win it
Namii [8d\]: hmm
]
(;B[el]
;W[ek]
;B[kg]
;W[mb]
;B[lc]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[pg]
;B[pf]
;W[of]
;B[oh]
;W[nh]
;B[ni]
;W[mh]
;B[ph]
;W[og]
;B[qh]C[Namii [8d\]: I have nothing more to say
Namii [8d\]: Upper left is too thin to grow it
Finnish8d [-\]: nothing around here is wrong in fact
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: just w doesn't need to do much to win
]
;W[mi]C[Namii [8d\]: I need a lot in the upper left
]
;B[me]C[Namii [8d\]: but cannot do it
]
;W[mf]
;B[le]
;W[ne]
;B[ef]
;W[jc]C[Namii [8d\]: and he is ahead by 10 pts
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: last chance for complications? :P
Namii [8d\]: but he can push at K16
Finnish8d [-\]: hardly :P
Namii [8d\]: yep
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Namii [8d\]: Instead of E14
Namii [8d\]: I thought J17
Namii [8d\]: but it's just toot hin
Namii [8d\]: and he can reduce from outside too
Namii [8d\]: maybe poke at corner first
Namii [8d\]: I'd say chance was at J9
Namii [8d\]: When I made w solid, I destroyed my own upper left potential
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
;B[jd]C[Namii [8d\]: Let's move to the next?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
]
;W[kb]C[Namii [8d\]: he even L18
Namii [8d\]: very calm
Finnish8d [-\]: nothing much to say after this either
Namii [8d\]: so Prodi's
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: w just wins it safely
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[hc]
;W[hb]
;B[gc]
;W[gb]
;B[fb]
;W[fm]
;B[hl]
;W[gk]
;B[lb]
;W[em]
;B[fn]
;W[dm]
;B[dn]
;W[hk]
;B[hm]
;W[la]
;B[oa]
;W[nb]
;B[kc]
;W[jb]
;B[bh]
;W[jk]
;B[nm]
;W[ol]
;B[lj]
;W[nl]
;B[lm]
;W[ml]
;B[kk]
;W[kh]
;B[ii]
;W[ki]
;B[kj]
;W[ih]
;B[hi]
;W[hh]
;B[gi]
;W[hf]
;B[bi]
;W[ji]
;B[ij]
;W[ei])
(;B[gk]C[Namii [8d\]: no I mean
Namii [8d\]: still aim at left side group
]))
(;B[fj]
;W[kj]
;B[jj]
;W[jk]C[Namii [8d\]: My intention is to make him capture the 3
]
;B[kk]
;W[gk]C[Namii [8d\]: and get thickness in upper left
Namii [8d\]: Can he?
Finnish8d [-\]: why not?
Namii [8d\]: d10 etc
Namii [8d\]: ah
]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]C[Namii [8d\]: Tiger
]
;B[ek]
;W[ji]C[Namii [8d\]: not forceful enough
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: centre is a big payment this way
Namii [8d\]: ok, move on
Finnish8d [-\]: I have thought about something more already
])
(;B[dj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: like to do this right away :P
Namii [8d\]: but he wont answer E9
]
;W[cj]
;B[dl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I know
Namii [8d\]: hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: but can try to make w angry
Namii [8d\]: I see
Finnish8d [-\]: this situation if w plays calmly
Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot win 
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: so need to make w emotional
Namii [8d\]: and I don't understand why I played calmly
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Finnish8d [-\]: as if you were winning, yes :P
Finnish8d [-\]: that is my impression of your moves after the early mistakes
]))
(;B[dh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes exactly how I thought in the game
Namii [8d\]: It seems my judgment during the pandanet games is always a bit hazy
Namii [8d\]: afterwards I see my own mistakes clearly :P
Namii [8d\]: but I have been practicing like hell now
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
]))
(;B[kd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right, have to work with L8
Namii [8d\]: not that easy for w to find the move
]
;W[pg]C[Namii [8d\]: I guess
Namii [8d\]: if w makes a group on the right
Finnish8d [-\]: still tough for b
Namii [8d\]: there may be an opportunity
Namii [8d\]: to use L3 aji :)
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure
Namii [8d\]: so lower side could get significantly reduced
Finnish8d [-\]: also w will have a group on the top
Finnish8d [-\]: since you won't defend it
Finnish8d [-\]: you will likely do D12 later
Namii [8d\]: game is more open anyway, black R3 is too optimistic
Namii [8d\]: I was closing the game, so he can win easier
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;B[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: now w jumps to E11 I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: So for this move I agree with him
Namii [8d\]: if the normal way, I can keima
]
;W[ei]C[Namii [8d\]: and I should jump to E13 I guess
]
;B[eg]
;W[gi]C[Namii [8d\]: Hehe, keep jumping? :)
Finnish8d [-\]: Still difficult
]
;B[gg]C[Namii [8d\]: Right, but this seems more active than the game
Finnish8d [-\]: that is for sure
]))
(;B[ci]
;W[il]
(;B[gm]C[Namii [8d\]: Must K9 I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: so you plan to deal with it this way?
Namii [8d\]: Like this, no
])
(;B[jk]C[Namii [8d\]: left side becomes smaller with G7 :P
Namii [8d\]: so I was thinking a bit about fighting with full scale
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: but maybe it's too painful?
Finnish8d [-\]: that may also be possible
Namii [8d\]: h8 g7 g8 f7 h11 
]
;W[hl]
;B[gm]
;W[gl]
;B[fm]
;W[hi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah exactly this way
]
;B[ji]C[Namii [8d\]: but w is quite good, b cannot get ahead
Finnish8d [-\]: but your group is already alive
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: left side wasn't any of your territory anyway
Namii [8d\]: so I can fight
Mokki [2d\]: so territory on right side?
Finnish8d [-\]: I think it is possible
Namii [8d\]: this enlarges the right side too
Namii [8d\]: Well if I replayed the game I would do this way :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^
Namii [8d\]: but in the actual game I overestimated the merits of L8
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah 
Namii [8d\]: and didn't think it was too bad if w lives on the left, if I get sente 
])))
(;B[il]
(;W[ci]
(;B[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah, you think?
Namii [8d\]: w dares to leave the cutting point?
Finnish8d [-\]: to me w dare
Finnish8d [-\]: that is why he plays this way
])
(;B[jo]
;W[ko]C[Namii [8d\]: Ok, can't use this yet
Finnish8d [-\]: unless you have severe punishment, at least for now he can leave it there
Namii [8d\]: and H4 doesn't work
Namii [8d\]: because he can block at H2 and doesn't owe a move to F2
Finnish8d [-\]: depends on what you mean work
Namii [8d\]: Have to J2 then
]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]
;B[iq]
;W[jp]
;B[jq]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah I meant directly H4
Finnish8d [-\]: without the cut
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: that doesn't work
Namii [8d\]: yep
Namii [8d\]: but this is interesting too
Finnish8d [-\]: but this is something actually worth to consider
Namii [8d\]: but it seems too early
Finnish8d [-\]: cos w cannot bare H2, but also L4
Namii [8d\]: White can L3
Namii [8d\]: white has H2
]
(;W[kq]
;B[hr]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah so corner will die?
Finnish8d [-\]: nope
Finnish8d [-\]: but
]
(;W[dr]
;B[fr]
;W[cr]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]
;B[gr]
;W[dq]
;B[kr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hard for w to answer this
Finnish8d [-\]: or
Namii [8d\]: so after b K3
])
(;W[ir]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes
]
;B[jr]
;W[gr]
;B[is]
;W[dr]
;B[gs]
;W[cr]C[Namii [8d\]: so now it does seem too early
]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]
;B[fr]
;W[dq]
;B[kr]C[Namii [8d\]: I only made a live group
Namii [8d\]: and w aji is gone
Finnish8d [-\]: well that is a big living group
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Finnish8d [-\]: cos your F1 is sente
Finnish8d [-\]: it actually means
Finnish8d [-\]: w plays C11, says you get nothing on the left
Namii [8d\]: and w territory gone :)
Finnish8d [-\]: and now you take away all his, too
Namii [8d\]: then w may get nothing himself, hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Finnish8d [-\]: so to me that is a possible deal
Namii [8d\]: then tenuking J8 is not reasonable
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: I think
]))
(;W[hr]
;B[kp]
;W[jo]C[Namii [8d\]: so if w has more strength with K8
]
;B[lp]C[Namii [8d\]: maybe this attack could work out?
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: too difficult :(
Namii [8d\]: O4 is next move but b just pierces w
Finnish8d [-\]: w is taking risk in this way
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: ok, let's go forward
Finnish8d [-\]: cos pushing from behind in the centre was an investment
Namii [8d\]: Right
Finnish8d [-\]: C11 just neutralised it
Namii [8d\]: well, let's go back to game line
Finnish8d [-\]: and at bottom if w cannot get much, the investment is still there, though not as much
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: yeah
])))
(;W[ko]
;B[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: If so, this is definitely the best version
Namii [8d\]: Then all good
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: then I guess this part it is clear
Namii [8d\]: and now we already established that pushing once more with K8 is not good 
Namii [8d\]: :)
Namii [8d\]: good to know in the future
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Namii [8d\]: that K5+H4 combo is so severe
Namii [8d\]: I had not considered it during the game
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Namii [8d\]: ah but
Namii [8d\]: let's go back
])))
(;B[qd]C[Black: Jan Simara 6 dan
White: Juuso Nyyssönen 5 dan

B+Res

]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[ce]
;W[oc]
;B[ld]
;W[po]
;B[qm]
;W[qq]
;B[mq]
;W[of]
;B[qg]
(;W[gc]
;B[fd]
;W[fc]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[dd]
;W[ec]
;B[bc]
;W[pp]
;B[pr]
;W[qn]
;B[pm]
;W[qr]
;B[jq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but like this, all good
Namii [8d\]: nothing happened yet
Finnish8d [-\]: R13 is inefficiently, so as M16
Finnish8d [-\]: I like this w, just want to say ^^
Namii [8d\]: but what is the next follow-up in the upper right then?
Namii [8d\]: After C6
]
(;W[jd]C[Namii [8d\]: ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: but this cannot be right
Namii [8d\]: Maybe K16 is too much?
Finnish8d [-\]: both w attacking or b extends there are too small
Namii [8d\]: C6 instead?
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: that is the direction
]
;B[mf]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[oh]
;B[qi]C[Namii [8d\]: b is kinda happy to make this area moving :P
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: his inefficient stones become efficient again
]
(;W[pj]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah
]
;B[mh]C[Namii [8d\]: w has to prove K16 is worth a move now
Namii [8d\]: Suddenly feels a bit bad
Namii [8d\]: but yes, Q10 is too optimistic
Finnish8d [-\]: This is quite hard...
Namii [8d\]: direction of the middle game fight is around here yes
Finnish8d [-\]: if I were w I probably will tenuki
Namii [8d\]: w O10 is honte now, but how painful is that :P
Namii [8d\]: hehe :P
Finnish8d [-\]: let him decide if he wants to push and cut, or attack w as a whole
Finnish8d [-\]: there is no local move for w
Namii [8d\]: Right :P
]
;W[mi]
;B[li]
;W[mj]
;B[nh]
;W[oi]
;B[lj]
;W[ml]
;B[lk]
;W[ol]
;B[qj]C[Namii [8d\]: K16 backfired 
Finnish8d [-\]: Like this definitely b is happy
Finnish8d [-\]: b centre values more than K16
Namii [8d\]: w is only running on dames, b getting points on the right and central influence
Finnish8d [-\]: so in general it is K16 to be blamed
Finnish8d [-\]: though Q10 is also a problem
Namii [8d\]: too early
Namii [8d\]: Q10 is maybe bigger
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: cause it completely throws away K16
]
;W[cm]C[Namii [8d\]: Maybe w should only go C6?
Finnish8d [-\]: Sorry, that is pretty painful to see :P
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: I cannot watch b takes sansan right after this C7
Namii [8d\]: Hehe
]
;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[dq]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[fq]
;W[ep]
;B[gr]
;W[dr]
;B[fs]
;W[cr]
;B[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So ok, b feels positive now
Namii [8d\]: I cannot imagine anything
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah w is just behind
Finnish8d [-\]: and b is solid in general
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
]
(;W[df]
;B[ed]
;W[kf]C[Namii [8d\]: w about 40 on the board
Finnish8d [-\]: points is not a big difference
Namii [8d\]: yeah still close
Finnish8d [-\]: mainly b centre influence
Finnish8d [-\]: guess D14 is too early
Finnish8d [-\]: no clear plan there yet
]
;B[lf]
;W[kg]
;B[lh]
;W[cf]
;B[gd]
(;W[hc]
;B[fh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and this is a crucial battle
Finnish8d [-\]: I was thinking a lot here in the game
Namii [8d\]: so L14 is quite powerful
Namii [8d\]: if it can get L14 and L13 like that
snowman [-\]: black has all the options
Namii [8d\]: that is true
Finnish8d [-\]: about like E12 or F13
Finnish8d [-\]: in the game w just lived.
Finnish8d [-\]: alright
Namii [8d\]: hard to believe this is such an efficient move :)
Finnish8d [-\]: then there is nothing else w can do
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: even after L14 and L13
]
(;W[ff]
;B[gf]
;W[eh]
;B[ei]
;W[fg]
;B[gg]
;W[fi]
;B[gh]
;W[di]
;B[ej]
;W[dh]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[bj]
;B[cl]
;W[bi]
;B[dm]C[Namii [8d\]: that is a bit negative
Finnish8d [-\]: I cannot accept this
Namii [8d\]: it still works so well
Finnish8d [-\]: just like this w is simply behind
Namii [8d\]: but now b center grew too much
]
;W[he]
;B[bb]C[Namii [8d\]: hehe
Namii [8d\]: wait a moment
]
;W[ge]C[Finnish8d [-\]: why this push
Finnish8d [-\]: just for top left corner yose?
Namii [8d\]: well his meaning is clear
Namii [8d\]: he thought b has to take D18 now
Namii [8d\]: so he can get otu at G11
Finnish8d [-\]: this push is wrong
Namii [8d\]: maybe white's main fault in this game is inefficient plans?
Namii [8d\]: like K16, Q10, G15
Finnish8d [-\]: if that is your name on it : )
Namii [8d\]: w didn't do major mistakes
Namii [8d\]: but some of his moves didn't work well
Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[ii]C[Namii [8d\]: but still
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is probably the only way
Namii [8d\]: J11 fixed it all
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: so to me
]
(;W[db]
;B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[be]
;W[jp]
;B[kq]
;W[ba]
;B[de]
;W[hh]C[Namii [8d\]: why play this yose out now
]
;B[ig]C[Namii [8d\]: I didn't understand
Namii [8d\]: and left F15 weakness
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: I guess he missed b can do D15
Namii [8d\]: even here b goes maximum power with J13 :P
Finnish8d [-\]: cos I remember w continued playing a few more moves on top left
]
;W[if]
;B[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm
]
;W[ch]
;B[ag]C[Namii [8d\]: ah right
]
;W[dg]
;B[ih]
;W[af]
;B[ab]C[Namii [8d\]: silly me
]
;W[ah]
;B[ae]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[go]
;B[bq]
;W[br]
;B[fo]C[Namii [8d\]: there's that L&D in the upper left -_-
Namii [8d\]: so I must think that Prodi misread it too
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Namii [8d\]: otherwise those moves don't make sense
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
Finnish8d [-\]: but well
]
;W[hp]
;B[gq]
;W[fn]
;B[eo]
;W[dn]
;B[gn]
;W[ho]
;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[fm]
;W[dl]
;B[el]
;W[dm]
;B[fk]
;W[do]
;B[fn]
;W[lo]
;B[rn]
;W[ro]
;B[pn]
(;W[qo]
;B[pd]
;W[od]
;B[pf]
;W[pg]
;B[oe]
;W[ne]
;B[pe]
;W[nf]
;B[ph]
;W[og]
;B[mn]
;W[mo]
;B[no]
;W[np]
;B[nm]
;W[mp]
;B[mc]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[nd]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm
]
;B[lb]C[Namii [8d\]: must b play so fiercely?
Finnish8d [-\]: As my point w didn
Finnish8d [-\]: didn't do anything wrong after
Finnish8d [-\]: but the situation cannot stand
Namii [8d\]: it seems like if w lives now
Namii [8d\]: black took many losses
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know
Namii [8d\]: O3, D9
Finnish8d [-\]: but w can hardly live
Namii [8d\]: that is true
Finnish8d [-\]: there is O9 so w has no eye at all
]
;W[nl]
;B[ln]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[pb]
;B[rc]
;W[qk]
;B[pi]
;W[oj]
;B[pk]C[Namii [8d\]: W r5 
])
(;W[np]C[Namii [8d\]: seems more like it
Namii [8d\]: or anything
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah might be the last chance to turn it round
Namii [8d\]: but ok, w died right
Namii [8d\]: so next game please :)
Namii [8d\]: 45 minutes left for me
Finnish8d [-\]: well ok, mostly inefficient moves in the early game I'd say
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: those are the most improtant ones
Finnish8d [-\]: so you may take over : )
]))
(;W[ba]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I guess this is the only possibility left?
Namii [8d\]: since D18 doesn't work it has to be this one
Namii [8d\]: otherwise G15 is 0 pts...
Finnish8d [-\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: well ok, got D18 in sente
Namii [8d\]: but
Finnish8d [-\]: hard to win this
Namii [8d\]: J11 fixes b center entirely
Namii [8d\]: has to ko it
Namii [8d\]: actually why not ko? :P
Namii [8d\]: E17 and D12 are both strong
Namii [8d\]: and lots of threats in the center
Finnish8d [-\]: w has to do this, I agree
Finnish8d [-\]: but w has a group on top right
Finnish8d [-\]: so I'd say this is a ko hard to win
Namii [8d\]: ah
Namii [8d\]: you say b has a good threat against it?
Namii [8d\]: w must have 5 in the center
Finnish8d [-\]: I can see b has at least 2 at bottom left
Finnish8d [-\]: 2 at bottom right
Namii [8d\]: hmm :/
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: so then leave it
Namii [8d\]: make threats first
Finnish8d [-\]: so I am not so optimistic
]))
(;W[eh]
;B[ei]
;W[fg]C[Namii [8d\]: double
]
;B[gg]C[Namii [8d\]: it's difficult because black's corner can live with B18
Namii [8d\]: so black may just accept white's payment here
Namii [8d\]: and let w get through
]))
(;W[hd]C[Namii [8d\]: Czech finished (the most of us) quite at ease :)
Namii [8d\]: strong players
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: Only Vesa was able to knock out Lukas
]
;B[fh]C[snowman [-\]: c14 is no good, is it
Finnish8d [-\]: well
Finnish8d [-\]: it wasn't
Finnish8d [-\]: but
Finnish8d [-\]: that is his intention of doing D14
Finnish8d [-\]: also
Finnish8d [-\]: he needs a fire here, or he is just behind
Finnish8d [-\]: So..
]))
(;AW[kf][kg]AB[lf][lh]C[Namii [8d\]: Let's assume that is on the board
]
;W[dg]C[Namii [8d\]: how to reply?
Finnish8d [-\]: to me i tis D12
]
;B[dh]C[Namii [8d\]: :/
Namii [8d\]: ok
Namii [8d\]: didn't consider this move
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: cos I understand your intention ^^
Namii [8d\]: to the others w would have some good answers
Namii [8d\]: and if black connects on the 2nd line iwth B13 w gained :P
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah i know
])
(;W[dg]))
(;W[mi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: have to agree with the opponent
Namii [8d\]: Q10 is wishful thinking
Finnish8d [-\]: this is the direction
snowman [-\]: instead of k16, maybe p12 directly
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]))
(;W[cn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Well
Finnish8d [-\]: top right is something difficult
Finnish8d [-\]: that is why as w I want to leave it to b :P
Namii [8d\]: hehe
Namii [8d\]: and w is light there
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Mokki [2d\]: maybe M14 if you want to play something
Finnish8d [-\]: being one under attack is easier than an attacker : )
Namii [8d\]: at least w didn't put a stone to K16 in that case :)
])
(;W[ph])
(;W[oh]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm, and then attack M16?
]
;B[qi]C[Namii [8d\]: but P12-R11 is a bit of a minus
Namii [8d\]: not sure if b has to care about K16 now
Finnish8d [-\]: still no next move around M16
Namii [8d\]: at least not an easy one to find
]))
(;W[pp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I think w has to finish here anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: more urgent than top side
]))
(;B[pd]C[Black: Javier-Aleksi Savolainen 5 dan
White: Jan Hora 6 dan

W+Time

]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[po]
;B[qm]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[mq]
;W[rr]
;B[pr]
;W[on]
;B[pk]C[Namii [8d\]: Huh
]
;W[eq]C[Namii [8d\]: This variation so early when lower left corner is still not taken :P
Finnish8d [-\]: without R6
Namii [8d\]: can we give the shimari?
]
(;B[qn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe right
Namii [8d\]: Ah
snowman [-\]: looks good for black
Finnish8d [-\]: and this nobi is Assu :P
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: exactly
Namii [8d\]: So this is maybe
Namii [8d\]: "dreaming"?
Finnish8d [-\]: that is Assu's way to play, he likes this kind of game
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: especially when playing online
Finnish8d [-\]: so let's just move on ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: this didn't decide the game either
Namii [8d\]: it just feels a bit early
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
Namii [8d\]: cause the plan is not concise
Finnish8d [-\]: also small
]
;W[kq]C[Namii [8d\]: and now w got this
]
;B[mo]
;W[mn]
;B[ln]
;W[mm]
;B[no]
;W[ol]C[Namii [8d\]: since b is also weak, R6 is becoming powerless
Namii [8d\]: and if w gets R11, the whole R6 looks funny
Namii [8d\]: as he did in the game
]
;B[jp]
;W[iq]
;B[jq]
;W[jr]
;B[kp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: So if white's play in the lower right was a bit... not working that well
Namii [8d\]: B R6 is a similar kind of mistake?
Finnish8d [-\]: let's say R6 is a half move
Namii [8d\]: hard to say
Namii [8d\]: but it's lively again for w now that he gets R11
]
;W[qi]
(;B[pi]C[Namii [8d\]: and b has to attach it :P
Finnish8d [-\]: to me he doesn't
Finnish8d [-\]: he could have chosen P9
Namii [8d\]: if b has t obear L3, Q11, and strengthen w R3
Namii [8d\]: then what did Assu have in mind with R6?
]
;W[ph]
;B[oi]
;W[qj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right
]
;B[ok]TR[oi][pi]SQ[ph][qj]C[Namii [8d\]: Those two white definitely gained
Namii [8d\]: if we compare to just pushing up
]
;W[lm]
;B[qf]
;W[oh]
;B[nh]
;W[ng]
(;B[qh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: to me this cut decides the game
Namii [8d\]: normally it's a good suji, but...
Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot do it
Namii [8d\]: black's outside shapei s too weak
]
;W[qg]
;B[pg]
;W[rh]
;B[og]
;W[qh]
;B[rf]C[Namii [8d\]: So...
Finnish8d [-\]: S14 cannot be done a tleast
Namii [8d\]: this is the most severe way
Finnish8d [-\]: N12 still
Namii [8d\]: Hehe
Namii [8d\]: but N12 is move for after the game :)
Namii [8d\]: during the game you will never play N12
Namii [8d\]: if you initially cut with Q13
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok 
Namii [8d\]: so black chose the most severe way
Namii [8d\]: but didn't go that well, right?
]
;W[nf]
;B[oe]
;W[ni]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cannot
]
;B[lh]
;W[rl]TR[mi][ni]C[Namii [8d\]: so now w is alive
Finnish8d [-\]: so basically R7 is dead
Namii [8d\]: and the N11 stones can't be captured
Namii [8d\]: that's the main fault
Namii [8d\]: in this plan
Namii [8d\]: that b has no way to capture those now
]
;B[mk]
;W[li]
;B[kk]
;W[kh]
;B[lg]
;W[ql]LB[ki:A]C[Namii [8d\]: and now can't even A
Namii [8d\]: you're right :P
Namii [8d\]: this was a very big deciding factor
Namii [8d\]: but game still goes on I guess
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;B[nl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it was
]
;W[pl]
;B[kj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but not much b can do
Namii [8d\]: and have to peep here....
]
;W[ki]
;B[kf]
;W[ii]
;B[ik]
;W[gj]
;B[jm]
;W[kc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: once again, w just defended to win, like the other 2 games
Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: but this is the kind of a move czech players won't miss
Namii [8d\]: very annoying
]
(;B[me]
;W[ob]C[Namii [8d\]: but hmm, he still goes on :) I guess he can
Namii [8d\]: central group is strong
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah he can
]
;B[oc]C[Namii [8d\]: and Assu simply defends?
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: can't do anything else?
Finnish8d [-\]: b tried in the following game, and he tried hard as my point
Namii [8d\]: yeah here you have to suffer
]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[pc]C[Namii [8d\]: So painful :P
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is
]
;B[od]C[Namii [8d\]: :/
Namii [8d\]: I cannot bear to play like this
Namii [8d\]: although I guess I did against Silt :P
Finnish8d [-\]: but he has to
Namii [8d\]: yeah
]
;W[nb]
;B[pb]
;W[je]C[Namii [8d\]: ah he wants to aim at the liberty problems
Namii [8d\]: but it is a bit weak a shape
Finnish8d [-\]: w is not aiming much but to control the rest board
Finnish8d [-\]: his voice is clear here, centre can die, but he controls the empty area
]
;B[gq]C[Namii [8d\]: lag
]
(;W[ip]C[Namii [8d\]: hehe
Namii [8d\]: so w is this kind of a player :P
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe yeah here w faced to it
Finnish8d [-\]: I wouldn't even answer G3
Namii [8d\]: very severe moves all the time
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: yeah b connection above is thin
Namii [8d\]: but J5 lets w do what he wanted
]
(;B[io]
;W[gp]
(;B[ho]
;W[fq]C[Namii [8d\]: so what did b gain...
Finnish8d [-\]: b has to hane
]
;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[ff]
;B[fg]
;W[de]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[db]
;W[eb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b is still thinking about w centre
Namii [8d\]: but nothing works
Finnish8d [-\]: influding those J5 and H5
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: so it's just a unrealistic plan
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Finnish8d [-\]: but let's go on
Finnish8d [-\]: you have 20 minutes left ^^
Namii [8d\]: b wants to build a tank
Namii [8d\]: so he already starts buying supplies
Namii [8d\]: but he only makes 1500€ a month
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Namii [8d\]: so after 10 years
Namii [8d\]: the guys who sell tank parts
Namii [8d\]: they're very happy
Namii [8d\]: but Assu doesn't got a tank :P
]
;B[jf]
;W[gg]
;B[eh]
;W[fh]
;B[eg]
;W[ie]
;B[gh]
;W[hg]
;B[fi]
;W[cn]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah so
Namii [8d\]: how to turn this around
Namii [8d\]: and w still plays like this
Namii [8d\]: although there's aji :P
Namii [8d\]: very severe guy
Finnish8d [-\]: that is Jan Hora
]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[do]
;W[cp]
(;B[dp]
;W[cq]
;B[cl]
;W[dn]
;B[kd]C[Namii [8d\]: he let it go
Namii [8d\]: cannot play this optimistically
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: in the following, not much happens
Namii [8d\]: we got the main points already
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Namii [8d\]: I think b just missed his last chance
Finnish8d [-\]: so last game please
]
;W[jc]
;B[fo]
;W[go]
;B[gn]
;W[fp]
;B[kr]
;W[ir]
;B[dd]
;W[ec]
;B[be]
;W[cd]
;B[eo]
;W[bm]
;B[bl]
;W[dl]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]
;B[fm]
;W[ck]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]
;B[el]
;W[dm]
;B[ci]
;W[di]
;B[ej]
;W[bi]
;B[ch]
;W[ak]
;B[hh]
;W[ig]
;B[ih]
;W[jg]
;B[ji]
;W[ks]
;B[hp]
;W[lr]
;B[hq]
;W[lq]
;B[rs]
;W[rq]
;B[mr]
;W[fr]
;B[bc]
;W[bd]
;B[bb]
;W[da]
;B[ad]
;W[ge]
;B[bh]
;W[bk]
;B[pp]
;W[qo]
;B[hs]
;W[gs]
;B[gr]
;W[fs]
;B[hr]
;W[is])
(;B[hp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this is a good set up you showed
Finnish8d [-\]: so yeah it is pretty good
Namii [8d\]: but point is, at least do something
]
;W[hq]
;B[gr]
;W[hr]
;B[hs]
;W[ir]C[snowman [-\]: the ladder doesn't work...
]
;B[bp]C[Namii [8d\]: why isn't assu aiming at the aji at least
]
(;W[bn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w cannot even atari from inside
])
(;W[bq]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: D4
]
;B[dp]C[Namii [8d\]: right
])))
(;B[fp]C[Namii [8d\]: so counterhane?
Namii [8d\]: b did H5
]))
(;B[go]C[Namii [8d\]: cannot b play severely too?
Mokki [2d\]: maybe H2 first?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I am thinking about H2 first
Namii [8d\]: in case w takes H2 now?
Mokki [2d\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: but that gives aji at black D3
Mokki [2d\]: no but i think G5 means to kill
Namii [8d\]: anyway, J5 seems too simple
Mokki [2d\]: and H2 makes it easier
Finnish8d [-\]: I am worrying actually on w G2 compromise
Namii [8d\]: Ah, definitely not :P
Finnish8d [-\]: cos w can afford it
Namii [8d\]: cannot kill
Namii [8d\]: the plan is unrealistic
]
;W[gr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but ok
]
(;B[hr]
;W[hq]
;B[fr]
;W[gp]
;B[fq]
;W[fp]
;B[er]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]
;W[cq]
;B[ir]
;W[io]
;B[jn]C[Namii [8d\]: Ok, it's not that much
])
(;B[dp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot hane there at least
Finnish8d [-\]: I mean what b did in the game
Namii [8d\]: yeah that is off
]))
(;B[hr]
;W[ir]
;B[go]
;W[in]C[Namii [8d\]: and yeah b cannot hope to kill w here
Namii [8d\]: I was thinking that H2 is a heavy exchange
Namii [8d\]: so that's why leave it for better timing
Finnish8d [-\]: it is
]))
(;W[cp]
(;B[ip]
;W[jf]C[Namii [8d\]: this is easier to control
Finnish8d [-\]: exactly
Namii [8d\]: still H3 left
])
(;B[hp]
;W[jf]C[Namii [8d\]: now G2 yose aji
])))
(;B[mc]C[Namii [8d\]: No active way available?
Finnish8d [-\]: if we discuss on this, N15 is also a mistake
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this can be done
Namii [8d\]: at least try to get the upper right cash
Finnish8d [-\]: or b has to try this
Namii [8d\]: so you'll feel better
]))
(;B[mh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: has to nobi, yeah
Namii [8d\]: What's the protection move now?
Namii [8d\]: R13 and bear the peep?
Namii [8d\]: or P14?
Finnish8d [-\]: just tiger P14 I think
]
;W[of]
;B[rg]
;W[rh]
;B[qg]
;W[qh]
;B[oc]C[Namii [8d\]: maybe ?
Finnish8d [-\]: still a game ^^
]
;W[lf]
;B[kh]C[Namii [8d\]: right
]))
(;B[ok]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: I'd never do Q11
Finnish8d [-\]: at least better than to attach
Namii [8d\]: if b does Q11
Namii [8d\]: then how is black's country ran :P
Namii [8d\]: R6 is screaming in defiance
Namii [8d\]: but no one listens to him
Namii [8d\]: maybe he will start a civil war soon
Finnish8d [-\]: :P
Namii [8d\]: ok, I'll go on :P
]))
(;B[jq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I'd say it is positive to b
Namii [8d\]: yeah I agree
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this extension is one I like too ^^
]
;W[cp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is w task to live with small size
Namii [8d\]: Then continue normally
Namii [8d\]: lower right favors black
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: and w still has things to do there later
]))
(;B[qd]C[Black: Lukas Podpera 6 dan
White: Vesa Laatikainen 5 dan

W+Res

]
;W[pp]
;B[dc]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]
;W[iq]
;B[cl]
;W[do]C[Namii [8d\]: C8, huh :)
Namii [8d\]: I remember some analysis about w C6 after that
]
;B[ci]
;W[dq]
;B[nq]
;W[or]
;B[qn]
;W[oo]
;B[qq]
;W[qp]C[snowman [-\]: black is being tricky
Namii [8d\]: hehe
]
;B[rp]
;W[pq]
(;B[rr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: too young :P
]
;W[qr]
;B[rq]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[pc]
;W[nd]
;B[qf]
;W[jc]
;B[hc]
;W[de]
;B[kd]C[snowman [-\]: this reverts slightly to my original plan
Namii [8d\]: ok, now we get to something :P
snowman [-\]: except L16, of course
Namii [8d\]: hehe
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Namii [8d\]: What is the intention here? 
snowman [-\]: i don't believe this move exists
Finnish8d [-\]: it doesn't :P
Namii [8d\]: I'm not sure I get it but let's go on :P
]
;W[kc]
;B[jd]
;W[pd]
;B[qc]C[snowman [-\]: now it is very delicate one-liberty-counting...
]
;W[id]
;B[ic]
;W[hd]
;B[lc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
]
;W[lb]
;B[mb]
;W[jb]C[Namii [8d\]: black falls apart?
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Finnish8d [-\]: still
Finnish8d [-\]: he should have taken the compromise
Finnish8d [-\]: M18
]
(;B[gd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just accept the fact that the 2 is dead
]
;W[if]
;B[ib]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he refused in the game all the time
]
;W[ld]
;B[jf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cut is right
Namii [8d\]: so mainly b is fighting too busy fights
]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
(;W[mc]C[Namii [8d\]: capture you mean?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah no I mean for b
Finnish8d [-\]: instead of G16
Finnish8d [-\]: I was just thinking about if w can run one more
]
(;B[hf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Namii [8d\]: I'm thinking if it is that important
Namii [8d\]: back to game
]
;W[ge]C[snowman [-\]: i thought about that but there was something risky
]
;B[ie]
;W[he]
;B[ig]
;W[fd]C[snowman [-\]: i was happy
Finnish8d [-\]: sure ^^
Namii [8d\]: yeah I think w has no reason to be unhappy
Finnish8d [-\]: as observer I was happy too ^^
]
;B[fb]
;W[ia]
;B[hb]
;W[cc]
;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[dd]
;B[db]C[Namii [8d\]: B has center ponnuki but it's actually not that strong
Finnish8d [-\]: especially nobi and hane are both sentes
Namii [8d\]: and w made perfect shape
Namii [8d\]: hehe
Namii [8d\]: yeah a very successful mini chinese invasion :)
]
;W[bc]
;B[bb]
;W[ab]C[snowman [-\]: that ponnuki is one of the most stupid looking ponnukis
Namii [8d\]: that ponnuki is an attackable ponnuki ^^
Namii [8d\]: is A18 too early?
Finnish8d [-\]: well I think it is fine
snowman [-\]: i couldn't decide easily about that
Namii [8d\]: this investment means white cares about the B17 stones
Finnish8d [-\]: cos otherwise when w does C13
Finnish8d [-\]: there is B15
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: I see
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: ok
]
;B[ha]
;W[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah of course ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: L4?'
Namii [8d\]: mm
Namii [8d\]: not K4?
Finnish8d [-\]: I prefer L4 ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: K4 pays
Namii [8d\]: but yeah I agree
]
;B[on]C[Finnish8d [-\]: bottom is bigger than the right
Namii [8d\]: yeah 
]
;W[nn]
;B[om]
;W[mo]C[Namii [8d\]: this N5 is a happy move :P
snowman [-\]: white can still consolidate all lower left corner area
Namii [8d\]: hehe
]
;B[jp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: P6 is also problematic
]
;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[io]
;B[jn]
;W[kr]
;B[bg]
;W[bh]
;B[ch]
(;W[bi]
;B[cf]
;W[dg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and it works
]
;B[be]C[snowman [-\]: this is easier, but i was taking mind games
]
;W[cj]C[snowman [-\]: this i played too quickly...
Namii [8d\]: I'm not sure
snowman [-\]: i mean C11
Finnish8d [-\]: I think w did well here
snowman [-\]: B11
]
;B[df]
;W[ef]C[Namii [8d\]: so it's one-way street now
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: but w lives in sente with F16
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: I don't think the B17 stones are that big ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: so it is fine
snowman [-\]: again one-liberty-counting :)
]
;B[eg]
;W[dh]
;B[ee]
;W[ff]
;B[di]
;W[eh]
;B[ei]
;W[fh]
;B[cd]C[Namii [8d\]: later in the yose there is A13 and A16
Namii [8d\]: ah maybe not a16
]
;W[dk]LB[ig:2][di:1][jo:3]C[Namii [8d\]: but when you got this stone
Namii [8d\]: it's perfect for w
snowman [-\]: yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: exactly ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: 3 groups
Namii [8d\]: so many problems for b
snowman [-\]: and something's gonna die
Namii [8d\]: and left side pays for upper left
]
;B[fi]
;W[gi]
;B[gh]
;W[fg]
;B[gj]
;W[hi]
;B[fk]
;W[dl]
;B[ng]C[Namii [8d\]: ahh?
Namii [8d\]: that is a bit out-of-context :P
Finnish8d [-\]: b is gambling ^^
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: and seems like a good gamble
Finnish8d [-\]: well I'd say from here b did it kinda right
Namii [8d\]: if w only takes K5 stones, is black's right side enough?
snowman [-\]: now i entered my territory counting mood
Finnish8d [-\]: but before this it was way too off
]
(;W[lg]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: I guess I wouldn't do this directly
Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling was like J10 something
Finnish8d [-\]: or K11
Namii [8d\]: yeah 
Namii [8d\]: I guess my feeling was like, w is the comfortable one here
Namii [8d\]: so why should white have to play this kind of an uncertain move :P
Namii [8d\]: makes it more likely for white to make a mistake
Namii [8d\]: and then black catches up
snowman [-\]: O7 is the move i wanted to have
Namii [8d\]: I guess it's still hard to see what will happen on the board
Namii [8d\]: I want to invade the right side :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok
Finnish8d [-\]: so actually 3 opinions here :P
Namii [8d\]: I mean after J10, if w becomes thick
snowman [-\]: very good :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I see
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah to me w should attack b left and bottom first
Namii [8d\]: or at least reduce from some line above the 4th
]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]
;B[mg]
;W[nf]C[snowman [-\]: i don't want to invade as killing something is enough
Finnish8d [-\]: w this way is also pretty solid
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: I guess I just don't like the exchanges on the edge of the moyo
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
Namii [8d\]: my review lecture should start but let's do another 10 mins ^^
]
;B[og]
;W[kg]C[Namii [8d\]: yep
Namii [8d\]: b only chance for compromise is here but
Namii [8d\]: there isn't a move
Namii [8d\]: b needs 2 moves
]
;B[kf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure 
snowman [-\]: black moyo should be easily reduced when attacking
]
;W[ji]C[Namii [8d\]: this is not easy either for b
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah so this is actually fine
]
;B[ij]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah looks good
]
;W[ii]
;B[kh]
(;W[lh]C[Namii [8d\]: let's see
]
;B[ki]
;W[jj]C[Namii [8d\]: ah yeah
snowman [-\]: m12 was to create liberties and induce k10
Namii [8d\]: I'm getting silly :P
]
;B[li]C[snowman [-\]: i was still worried
Namii [8d\]: the life, I see
Finnish8d [-\]: the extreme possibility
]
(;W[ke]C[Namii [8d\]: this though?
]
;B[ik]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah seems like M15 is w sente, so that extreme possibility is not there
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: so game continues
Namii [8d\]: loss of the 3 stones feels a bit bad
]
;W[jk]
;B[il]
;W[hj]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]
;W[en]
;B[gm]
;W[gk]
;B[fj]
;W[hk]
;B[in]C[Namii [8d\]: ah there isn't?
Namii [8d\]: ah I see
Finnish8d [-\]: w has back door ^^
Namii [8d\]: yes I know
Namii [8d\]: so there's not much to hope by trying to reduce it anymore
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I get you
]
(;W[jl]
;B[lm]
;W[ll]
;B[ml]
;W[km]
;B[kn]
;W[ln]
;B[mm]C[Namii [8d\]: well
Namii [8d\]: b right side became very deep
]
;W[hm]
;B[hn]
;W[gn]C[Namii [8d\]: ^^
snowman [-\]: some funny stuff but it all worked
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: I am still weighing the risks
Finnish8d [-\]: almost none
]
;B[im]
;W[hh]C[Namii [8d\]: so this was crafty :)
Namii [8d\]: didn't expect cut + H12 :D
]
;B[lq]
;W[kq]
;B[lp]
;W[qo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this looks clearer actually, to me ^^
]
;B[ro]
;W[ls]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah
]
;B[nr]
;W[ns]
;B[qs]
;W[lo]
;B[kp]C[Namii [8d\]: mm
]
;W[hl]C[Namii [8d\]: aji still
]
(;B[ho]
;W[gq]
;B[pr]
;W[oq]C[Namii [8d\]: and the capture is wrong technique
]
;B[os]C[Namii [8d\]: or dunno
Namii [8d\]: maybe same
]
;W[ps]
;B[fn]
;W[go]
;B[os]
;W[mk]
;B[ms]
;W[nm]
;B[nl]
;W[ol]
;B[nk]
;W[pn]
;B[pm]
;W[qm]
;B[po]
;W[pl]
;B[op]
;W[pn]C[Namii [8d\]: hehe nice
Namii [8d\]: definitely enough for white
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: yeah
]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]
;B[fp]
;W[eo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: don't try F2 to live
Namii [8d\]: that is the last risk
]
;B[hp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then just w should have just E2
]
(;W[fr]
(;B[qk]
;W[ql]
;B[rk]
;W[nj]
;B[ok]
;W[pk]
;B[oj]
;W[pj]
;B[mj]
;W[qj]
;B[hq]
;W[hr]
;B[ir]
;W[er]
;B[hs]
;W[gr]
;B[jq]
;W[rn]
;B[ri]
;W[rj]
;B[sj]
;W[rl]
;B[ah]
;W[bj]
;B[nb]
;W[je]
;B[qh]
;W[ph]
;B[pg]
;W[sk]
;B[me]
;W[ma]
;B[ob]
;W[le]
;B[if]
;W[of]
;B[jh]
;W[hg]
;B[lk]
;W[qo]
;B[pp]
;W[si])
(;B[er]C[Finnish8d [-\]: also for points it is not a gain
Finnish8d [-\]: even if w lives this way
Namii [8d\]: this gets jump in the corner
Finnish8d [-\]: gote and hurts the corner
Finnish8d [-\]: the other way is sente
Finnish8d [-\]: so w plays on the right
Finnish8d [-\]: to me that is w only mistake in this game
Namii [8d\]: I have to give you ctrl now
Namii [8d\]: need to start the nga lecture
]))
(;W[er]
;B[hq]
;W[fr]
;B[hr]
;W[qi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Finnish8d [-\]: to me this is a lot cleaer
snowman [-\]: ok
Finnish8d [-\]: but this is the only thing in the entire game
Finnish8d [-\]: w did very well I'd say : )
snowman [-\]: thanks, i was in high mood after the game :)
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: well alright, then I guess this session is done. 
Finnish8d [-\]: thanks for your attention. ^^
Namii [8d\]: ok, I'll save it :)
Namii [8d\]: thanks all!
]))
(;B[os]C[Namii [8d\]: can b immediately make it a ko?
Finnish8d [-\]: b probably should
]))
(;W[mk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so you want to jump
Namii [8d\]: yes, prepare
Namii [8d\]: so I'm still playing the leading game :P
Namii [8d\]: but maybe it is not so optimistic anymore
Finnish8d [-\]: possible
Namii [8d\]: white L15 lost 1 move
Finnish8d [-\]: but there is also a risk in this way
Finnish8d [-\]: in case b lives
Finnish8d [-\]: w has to use the back door then
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: yeah
]))
(;W[il]C[Namii [8d\]: so how does b kill?
Namii [8d\]: if white gets this one now I'd say over ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok
]
;B[nb]
;W[le]
;B[mh]
;W[of]))
(;W[il]C[Namii [8d\]: can w take a break?
Namii [8d\]: ops, maybe not this move
])
(;W[jk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: clamp is more like it??
])
(;W[ik]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm yes
Finnish8d [-\]: as your intention I mean ^^
Namii [8d\]: so get strength first
Namii [8d\]: before M12
Finnish8d [-\]: to me what w did in the game is perfectly fine
Namii [8d\]: have to admit I'm not reading much into it
Namii [8d\]: just feeling that it is a bit risky
]))
(;W[ij]C[Namii [8d\]: I like this
snowman [-\]: white group needed some help, i think
Namii [8d\]: w can't die
Namii [8d\]: so if black simply connects F9 and K5, and H11 becomes thick
Namii [8d\]: w can just plunge into the right side right away
Namii [8d\]: hmm
Namii [8d\]: black O18, huh
]
(;B[nb]C[Namii [8d\]: (later I mean)
Namii [8d\]: hard to imagine w could die
Finnish8d [-\]: well w is alive
]
;W[me]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just make eye right away ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Namii [8d\]: something like this exists
])
(;B[ik]
;W[jk]
;B[il]
;W[hj]
;B[hk]
;W[gl]
;B[gk]C[snowman [-\]: yeah, but m13 was practical in both directions :)
]
;W[kj])))
(;W[bf]
;B[dg]
;W[cf]
;B[bi]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah don't want to give this
Finnish8d [-\]: right, to me B11 is right
]))
(;B[fc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is not ^^
Finnish8d [-\]: detail
Namii [8d\]: no way b can throw center away too right?
]
;W[kf]
(;B[hf]
;W[je]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he probably should do like this actually
]
;B[fh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but this he admitted he was wrong earlier
Namii [8d\]: F17 is my intuition to become thick
])
(;B[fh]C[Namii [8d\]: actually that is a bad exchange
Namii [8d\]: so just here
Namii [8d\]: if w dies it's playable but there is aji
Namii [8d\]: anyway white has sente now
Namii [8d\]: ah, upper left is the biggest
]
;W[cc]
;B[cb]
(;W[bb]C[Namii [8d\]: at least there is this :)
])
(;W[dk]C[Namii [8d\]: but I am not sure
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this is more like it
Namii [8d\]: I am not confident as black :P
Namii [8d\]: anyway
]))))
(;W[fc]
;B[fb]
(;W[mc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: atari first
])
(;W[ia]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos the 2 will die soon ^^
]
;B[hb]
;W[mc]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm yes
])))
(;B[gc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sorry M19
Finnish8d [-\]: then M16
])
(;B[la]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah I see
]
;W[gc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he has to accept that
]
;B[kb]
;W[hb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Namii [8d\]: it is not that bad
Namii [8d\]: but I guess b gote
Finnish8d [-\]: still negative to b
]
;B[le]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos w plays on top left first
Finnish8d [-\]: but this is a game
]
;W[cc]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah
Namii [8d\]: well
]
;B[pk]C[Namii [8d\]: cannot say b didn't get potential
Namii [8d\]: just upper left position got destroyed and that is kinda big too
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
]))
(;B[rq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: also full of anger after the tournament in Japn
Finnish8d [-\]: Japan*
Namii [8d\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: his main problem at go right now is his emotional handling
Namii [8d\]: but that will only take a few years
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Namii [8d\]: what about S3 here?
Namii [8d\]: if white R2, black will jump to R9 rather
Namii [8d\]: well
Finnish8d [-\]: he meant he has options of w R2
Namii [8d\]: small thing anyway
Finnish8d [-\]: so that is nothing wrong at least
])))
