(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.00] DT[2014-05-20]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Joukkue-EM 9. kierros Suomi - Tsekki (1-3) Namii [8d\]: Ok, store now Namii [8d\]: will be back asap :) Finnish8d [-\]: ok as soon as you come back, we start Finnish8d [-\]: ok nice ^^ Namii [8d\]: just gonna buy food, only timing since 21 is the review lecture Finnish8d [-\]: right ^^ Namii [8d\]: Ok, I'm here Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok Finnish8d [-\]: so ok let's begin : ) Namii [8d\]: You want the reins firsT? :) ]MULTIGOGM[1] (;B[qd]C[Black: Juri Kuronen 6 dan White: Ondrej Silt 6 dan W+Res Namii [8d\]: Yes sure ] ;W[pp] ;B[dc] ;W[cp] ;B[ep] ;W[gq] ;B[cq] ;W[bq] ;B[dq] ;W[cm] ;B[go] ;W[gp] ;B[ho] ;W[ip] ;B[bo] ;W[bp] ;B[co] ;W[dp] ;B[do] ;W[eq]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah, get the embarassment away first :P ] ;B[er] ;W[eo] ;B[fp] ;W[fq] ;B[fo] ;W[br] ;B[en] ;W[io] ;B[in] ;W[jn] ;B[im] ;W[jm]C[Namii [8d\]: So J5 was a bit unexpected Namii [8d\]: I didn't think white may push immediately Finnish8d [-\]: Me neither Finnish8d [-\]: but it means he owes a move to protect the cutting point later Namii [8d\]: Yep Finnish8d [-\]: so though he gets bigger, hard to say if it is good Namii [8d\]: So here there are 2 judgments to make Finnish8d [-\]: so as b, I still think you'd just nobi Namii [8d\]: (1) Try to get sente to extend on the left Namii [8d\]: (2) Get the L8 nobi, but then be more severe on the left with tight pincer Namii [8d\]: hard to say, Fredda thought game is ok, but C14 should be C13 Namii [8d\]: now I agree on nobi, but only if w still L5 Namii [8d\]: If I must pay K8 to get L5, then hane + tenuki I'd do Namii [8d\]: if w keeps pushing after J8, then hane, protect, extend on the left ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: ok Finnish8d [-\]: the thing is, if left side worths more than a move Namii [8d\]: Yeah Finnish8d [-\]: that is w opinion here, since he fought for it, even with K5 behind ] (;B[jl] ;W[ko] (;B[kl] ;W[ci]C[Namii [8d\]: then I got L8 + corner shimari + sente Namii [8d\]: and E6 still acts as thickness Finnish8d [-\]: Fredda is partly right Namii [8d\]: so maybe I should still play Fredda's C13 here Finnish8d [-\]: that in this case, you just have to find a way to attack the left Namii [8d\]: Yeah Finnish8d [-\]: or your thickness there doesn't mean any ] (;B[cf] ;W[dk]C[Namii [8d\]: So this was too easy ] (;B[qq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: and I have no local continuatin in the upper left Namii [8d\]: should we look at J8 variation a bit? Namii [8d\]: R3 is maybe too optimistic then Namii [8d\]: Maybe L16? Finnish8d [-\]: In the game line at this moment, I already felt hopeless Namii [8d\]: Hehe :P Namii [8d\]: I still thought it's a long game Finnish8d [-\]: you have to do something different Finnish8d [-\]: or, not normal Namii [8d\]: Yeah Namii [8d\]: w lower side is 50 pts after this Finnish8d [-\]: after L5, it is reasonable actually Namii [8d\]: it is Finnish8d [-\]: the problem is just where is your 50 Namii [8d\]: but to get better use of L8 Namii [8d\]: I think L16 or so is right Finnish8d [-\]: yes ] ;W[pq] ;B[qp] ;W[qo] ;B[ro] ;W[qn] ;B[rn] ;W[qm] ;B[pr] ;W[or] ;B[qr] ;W[nq] ;B[kd] ;W[il] ;B[gm] ;W[od]C[Namii [8d\]: P17 is again optimistic Namii [8d\]: maybe D12 now? ] (;B[oc] ;W[nc] ;B[pc] ;W[nf]C[Namii [8d\]: so the rust is getting off ] ;B[qf] ;W[ik]C[Namii [8d\]: I only helped w fix the problem Namii [8d\]: I just finish his shapes while getting nothing Namii [8d\]: so his victory status becomes even more certain Finnish8d [-\]: w L10 is still a pretty big move Namii [8d\]: Let me think of something crazy :D Finnish8d [-\]: yeah please, I cannot figure out anything here in the game Finnish8d [-\]: to me the game is dead at this moment Namii [8d\]: yes Namii [8d\]: :/ Finnish8d [-\]: alright, maybe we just move on a bit more Namii [8d\]: f10 ? Finnish8d [-\]: on this game ] (;B[jj]C[Namii [8d\]: should I take on the fight? :) Namii [8d\]: but first Finnish8d [-\]: so you mean to tenuki from here? Namii [8d\]: have to get O14 on the move Namii [8d\]: at least do nothing Namii [8d\]: because K10 is a planless move ] ;W[gl] ;B[fl]C[Namii [8d\]: and now K10 ] ;W[fk]C[Namii [8d\]: is a move with no plan Finnish8d [-\]: cutting point left Namii [8d\]: well doesn't matter, do nothing and it's better Finnish8d [-\]: but at that moment I already have no idea how to win it Namii [8d\]: hmm ] (;B[el] ;W[ek] ;B[kg] ;W[mb] ;B[lc] ;W[ob] ;B[pb] ;W[pe] ;B[qe] ;W[pg] ;B[pf] ;W[of] ;B[oh] ;W[nh] ;B[ni] ;W[mh] ;B[ph] ;W[og] ;B[qh]C[Namii [8d\]: I have nothing more to say Namii [8d\]: Upper left is too thin to grow it Finnish8d [-\]: nothing around here is wrong in fact Namii [8d\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: just w doesn't need to do much to win ] ;W[mi]C[Namii [8d\]: I need a lot in the upper left ] ;B[me]C[Namii [8d\]: but cannot do it ] ;W[mf] ;B[le] ;W[ne] ;B[ef] ;W[jc]C[Namii [8d\]: and he is ahead by 10 pts Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: last chance for complications? :P Namii [8d\]: but he can push at K16 Finnish8d [-\]: hardly :P Namii [8d\]: yep Finnish8d [-\]: right Namii [8d\]: Instead of E14 Namii [8d\]: I thought J17 Namii [8d\]: but it's just toot hin Namii [8d\]: and he can reduce from outside too Namii [8d\]: maybe poke at corner first Namii [8d\]: I'd say chance was at J9 Namii [8d\]: When I made w solid, I destroyed my own upper left potential Finnish8d [-\]: ok ] ;B[jd]C[Namii [8d\]: Let's move to the next? Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok ] ;W[kb]C[Namii [8d\]: he even L18 Namii [8d\]: very calm Finnish8d [-\]: nothing much to say after this either Namii [8d\]: so Prodi's Namii [8d\]: Yeah Finnish8d [-\]: w just wins it safely Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok ] ;B[ic] ;W[ib] ;B[hc] ;W[hb] ;B[gc] ;W[gb] ;B[fb] ;W[fm] ;B[hl] ;W[gk] ;B[lb] ;W[em] ;B[fn] ;W[dm] ;B[dn] ;W[hk] ;B[hm] ;W[la] ;B[oa] ;W[nb] ;B[kc] ;W[jb] ;B[bh] ;W[jk] ;B[nm] ;W[ol] ;B[lj] ;W[nl] ;B[lm] ;W[ml] ;B[kk] ;W[kh] ;B[ii] ;W[ki] ;B[kj] ;W[ih] ;B[hi] ;W[hh] ;B[gi] ;W[hf] ;B[bi] ;W[ji] ;B[ij] ;W[ei]) (;B[gk]C[Namii [8d\]: no I mean Namii [8d\]: still aim at left side group ])) (;B[fj] ;W[kj] ;B[jj] ;W[jk]C[Namii [8d\]: My intention is to make him capture the 3 ] ;B[kk] ;W[gk]C[Namii [8d\]: and get thickness in upper left Namii [8d\]: Can he? Finnish8d [-\]: why not? Namii [8d\]: d10 etc Namii [8d\]: ah ] ;B[dj] ;W[cj]C[Namii [8d\]: Tiger ] ;B[ek] ;W[ji]C[Namii [8d\]: not forceful enough Finnish8d [-\]: right Finnish8d [-\]: centre is a big payment this way Namii [8d\]: ok, move on Finnish8d [-\]: I have thought about something more already ]) (;B[dj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: like to do this right away :P Namii [8d\]: but he wont answer E9 ] ;W[cj] ;B[dl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I know Namii [8d\]: hehe Finnish8d [-\]: but can try to make w angry Namii [8d\]: I see Finnish8d [-\]: this situation if w plays calmly Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot win Namii [8d\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: so need to make w emotional Namii [8d\]: and I don't understand why I played calmly Finnish8d [-\]: :P Finnish8d [-\]: as if you were winning, yes :P Finnish8d [-\]: that is my impression of your moves after the early mistakes ])) (;B[dh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes exactly how I thought in the game Namii [8d\]: It seems my judgment during the pandanet games is always a bit hazy Namii [8d\]: afterwards I see my own mistakes clearly :P Namii [8d\]: but I have been practicing like hell now Finnish8d [-\]: ^^ ])) (;B[kd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right, have to work with L8 Namii [8d\]: not that easy for w to find the move ] ;W[pg]C[Namii [8d\]: I guess Namii [8d\]: if w makes a group on the right Finnish8d [-\]: still tough for b Namii [8d\]: there may be an opportunity Namii [8d\]: to use L3 aji :) Finnish8d [-\]: yeah sure Namii [8d\]: so lower side could get significantly reduced Finnish8d [-\]: also w will have a group on the top Finnish8d [-\]: since you won't defend it Finnish8d [-\]: you will likely do D12 later Namii [8d\]: game is more open anyway, black R3 is too optimistic Namii [8d\]: I was closing the game, so he can win easier Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ])) (;B[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: now w jumps to E11 I guess Finnish8d [-\]: So for this move I agree with him Namii [8d\]: if the normal way, I can keima ] ;W[ei]C[Namii [8d\]: and I should jump to E13 I guess ] ;B[eg] ;W[gi]C[Namii [8d\]: Hehe, keep jumping? :) Finnish8d [-\]: Still difficult ] ;B[gg]C[Namii [8d\]: Right, but this seems more active than the game Finnish8d [-\]: that is for sure ])) (;B[ci] ;W[il] (;B[gm]C[Namii [8d\]: Must K9 I guess Finnish8d [-\]: so you plan to deal with it this way? Namii [8d\]: Like this, no ]) (;B[jk]C[Namii [8d\]: left side becomes smaller with G7 :P Namii [8d\]: so I was thinking a bit about fighting with full scale Finnish8d [-\]: ok Namii [8d\]: but maybe it's too painful? Finnish8d [-\]: that may also be possible Namii [8d\]: h8 g7 g8 f7 h11 ] ;W[hl] ;B[gm] ;W[gl] ;B[fm] ;W[hi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah exactly this way ] ;B[ji]C[Namii [8d\]: but w is quite good, b cannot get ahead Finnish8d [-\]: but your group is already alive Namii [8d\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: left side wasn't any of your territory anyway Namii [8d\]: so I can fight Mokki [2d\]: so territory on right side? Finnish8d [-\]: I think it is possible Namii [8d\]: this enlarges the right side too Namii [8d\]: Well if I replayed the game I would do this way :) Finnish8d [-\]: ok ^^ Namii [8d\]: but in the actual game I overestimated the merits of L8 Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: and didn't think it was too bad if w lives on the left, if I get sente ]))) (;B[il] (;W[ci] (;B[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah, you think? Namii [8d\]: w dares to leave the cutting point? Finnish8d [-\]: to me w dare Finnish8d [-\]: that is why he plays this way ]) (;B[jo] ;W[ko]C[Namii [8d\]: Ok, can't use this yet Finnish8d [-\]: unless you have severe punishment, at least for now he can leave it there Namii [8d\]: and H4 doesn't work Namii [8d\]: because he can block at H2 and doesn't owe a move to F2 Finnish8d [-\]: depends on what you mean work Namii [8d\]: Have to J2 then ] ;B[hp] ;W[hq] ;B[iq] ;W[jp] ;B[jq]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah I meant directly H4 Finnish8d [-\]: without the cut Namii [8d\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: that doesn't work Namii [8d\]: yep Namii [8d\]: but this is interesting too Finnish8d [-\]: but this is something actually worth to consider Namii [8d\]: but it seems too early Finnish8d [-\]: cos w cannot bare H2, but also L4 Namii [8d\]: White can L3 Namii [8d\]: white has H2 ] (;W[kq] ;B[hr]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah so corner will die? Finnish8d [-\]: nope Finnish8d [-\]: but ] (;W[dr] ;B[fr] ;W[cr] ;B[dq] ;W[cq] ;B[gr] ;W[dq] ;B[kr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hard for w to answer this Finnish8d [-\]: or Namii [8d\]: so after b K3 ]) (;W[ir]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yes ] ;B[jr] ;W[gr] ;B[is] ;W[dr] ;B[gs] ;W[cr]C[Namii [8d\]: so now it does seem too early ] ;B[dq] ;W[cq] ;B[fr] ;W[dq] ;B[kr]C[Namii [8d\]: I only made a live group Namii [8d\]: and w aji is gone Finnish8d [-\]: well that is a big living group Namii [8d\]: hmm Finnish8d [-\]: cos your F1 is sente Finnish8d [-\]: it actually means Finnish8d [-\]: w plays C11, says you get nothing on the left Namii [8d\]: and w territory gone :) Finnish8d [-\]: and now you take away all his, too Namii [8d\]: then w may get nothing himself, hehe Finnish8d [-\]: yes Finnish8d [-\]: so to me that is a possible deal Namii [8d\]: then tenuking J8 is not reasonable Finnish8d [-\]: ok Namii [8d\]: I think ])) (;W[hr] ;B[kp] ;W[jo]C[Namii [8d\]: so if w has more strength with K8 ] ;B[lp]C[Namii [8d\]: maybe this attack could work out? Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: too difficult :( Namii [8d\]: O4 is next move but b just pierces w Finnish8d [-\]: w is taking risk in this way Namii [8d\]: Yeah Namii [8d\]: ok, let's go forward Finnish8d [-\]: cos pushing from behind in the centre was an investment Namii [8d\]: Right Finnish8d [-\]: C11 just neutralised it Namii [8d\]: well, let's go back to game line Finnish8d [-\]: and at bottom if w cannot get much, the investment is still there, though not as much Finnish8d [-\]: ok Namii [8d\]: yeah ]))) (;W[ko] ;B[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: If so, this is definitely the best version Namii [8d\]: Then all good Finnish8d [-\]: ok Finnish8d [-\]: then I guess this part it is clear Namii [8d\]: and now we already established that pushing once more with K8 is not good Namii [8d\]: :) Namii [8d\]: good to know in the future Finnish8d [-\]: ^^ Namii [8d\]: that K5+H4 combo is so severe Namii [8d\]: I had not considered it during the game Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok Namii [8d\]: ah but Namii [8d\]: let's go back ]))) (;B[qd]C[Black: Jan Simara 6 dan White: Juuso Nyyssönen 5 dan B+Res ] ;W[dp] ;B[pq] ;W[dc] ;B[ce] ;W[oc] ;B[ld] ;W[po] ;B[qm] ;W[qq] ;B[mq] ;W[of] ;B[qg] (;W[gc] ;B[fd] ;W[fc] ;B[cc] ;W[cb] ;B[dd] ;W[ec] ;B[bc] ;W[pp] ;B[pr] ;W[qn] ;B[pm] ;W[qr] ;B[jq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but like this, all good Namii [8d\]: nothing happened yet Finnish8d [-\]: R13 is inefficiently, so as M16 Finnish8d [-\]: I like this w, just want to say ^^ Namii [8d\]: but what is the next follow-up in the upper right then? Namii [8d\]: After C6 ] (;W[jd]C[Namii [8d\]: ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: but this cannot be right Namii [8d\]: Maybe K16 is too much? Finnish8d [-\]: both w attacking or b extends there are too small Namii [8d\]: C6 instead? Finnish8d [-\]: yes Namii [8d\]: Yeah Finnish8d [-\]: that is the direction ] ;B[mf] ;W[pe] ;B[qe] ;W[oh] ;B[qi]C[Namii [8d\]: b is kinda happy to make this area moving :P Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: his inefficient stones become efficient again ] (;W[pj]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah ] ;B[mh]C[Namii [8d\]: w has to prove K16 is worth a move now Namii [8d\]: Suddenly feels a bit bad Namii [8d\]: but yes, Q10 is too optimistic Finnish8d [-\]: This is quite hard... Namii [8d\]: direction of the middle game fight is around here yes Finnish8d [-\]: if I were w I probably will tenuki Namii [8d\]: w O10 is honte now, but how painful is that :P Namii [8d\]: hehe :P Finnish8d [-\]: let him decide if he wants to push and cut, or attack w as a whole Finnish8d [-\]: there is no local move for w Namii [8d\]: Right :P ] ;W[mi] ;B[li] ;W[mj] ;B[nh] ;W[oi] ;B[lj] ;W[ml] ;B[lk] ;W[ol] ;B[qj]C[Namii [8d\]: K16 backfired Finnish8d [-\]: Like this definitely b is happy Finnish8d [-\]: b centre values more than K16 Namii [8d\]: w is only running on dames, b getting points on the right and central influence Finnish8d [-\]: so in general it is K16 to be blamed Finnish8d [-\]: though Q10 is also a problem Namii [8d\]: too early Namii [8d\]: Q10 is maybe bigger Finnish8d [-\]: yes Namii [8d\]: cause it completely throws away K16 ] ;W[cm]C[Namii [8d\]: Maybe w should only go C6? Finnish8d [-\]: Sorry, that is pretty painful to see :P Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: I cannot watch b takes sansan right after this C7 Namii [8d\]: Hehe ] ;B[cq] ;W[cp] ;B[dq] ;W[eq] ;B[er] ;W[fr] ;B[fq] ;W[ep] ;B[gr] ;W[dr] ;B[fs] ;W[cr] ;B[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: So ok, b feels positive now Namii [8d\]: I cannot imagine anything Finnish8d [-\]: yeah w is just behind Finnish8d [-\]: and b is solid in general Finnish8d [-\]: ok ] (;W[df] ;B[ed] ;W[kf]C[Namii [8d\]: w about 40 on the board Finnish8d [-\]: points is not a big difference Namii [8d\]: yeah still close Finnish8d [-\]: mainly b centre influence Finnish8d [-\]: guess D14 is too early Finnish8d [-\]: no clear plan there yet ] ;B[lf] ;W[kg] ;B[lh] ;W[cf] ;B[gd] (;W[hc] ;B[fh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and this is a crucial battle Finnish8d [-\]: I was thinking a lot here in the game Namii [8d\]: so L14 is quite powerful Namii [8d\]: if it can get L14 and L13 like that snowman [-\]: black has all the options Namii [8d\]: that is true Finnish8d [-\]: about like E12 or F13 Finnish8d [-\]: in the game w just lived. Finnish8d [-\]: alright Namii [8d\]: hard to believe this is such an efficient move :) Finnish8d [-\]: then there is nothing else w can do Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: even after L14 and L13 ] (;W[ff] ;B[gf] ;W[eh] ;B[ei] ;W[fg] ;B[gg] ;W[fi] ;B[gh] ;W[di] ;B[ej] ;W[dh] ;B[dj] ;W[cj] ;B[ck] ;W[bj] ;B[cl] ;W[bi] ;B[dm]C[Namii [8d\]: that is a bit negative Finnish8d [-\]: I cannot accept this Namii [8d\]: it still works so well Finnish8d [-\]: just like this w is simply behind Namii [8d\]: but now b center grew too much ] ;W[he] ;B[bb]C[Namii [8d\]: hehe Namii [8d\]: wait a moment ] ;W[ge]C[Finnish8d [-\]: why this push Finnish8d [-\]: just for top left corner yose? Namii [8d\]: well his meaning is clear Namii [8d\]: he thought b has to take D18 now Namii [8d\]: so he can get otu at G11 Finnish8d [-\]: this push is wrong Namii [8d\]: maybe white's main fault in this game is inefficient plans? Namii [8d\]: like K16, Q10, G15 Finnish8d [-\]: if that is your name on it : ) Namii [8d\]: w didn't do major mistakes Namii [8d\]: but some of his moves didn't work well Finnish8d [-\]: right ] ;B[ii]C[Namii [8d\]: but still Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that is probably the only way Namii [8d\]: J11 fixed it all Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: so to me ] (;W[db] ;B[bf] ;W[bg] ;B[be] ;W[jp] ;B[kq] ;W[ba] ;B[de] ;W[hh]C[Namii [8d\]: why play this yose out now ] ;B[ig]C[Namii [8d\]: I didn't understand Namii [8d\]: and left F15 weakness Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: I guess he missed b can do D15 Namii [8d\]: even here b goes maximum power with J13 :P Finnish8d [-\]: cos I remember w continued playing a few more moves on top left ] ;W[if] ;B[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm ] ;W[ch] ;B[ag]C[Namii [8d\]: ah right ] ;W[dg] ;B[ih] ;W[af] ;B[ab]C[Namii [8d\]: silly me ] ;W[ah] ;B[ae] ;W[fp] ;B[gp] ;W[go] ;B[bq] ;W[br] ;B[fo]C[Namii [8d\]: there's that L&D in the upper left -_- Namii [8d\]: so I must think that Prodi misread it too Finnish8d [-\]: ^^ Namii [8d\]: otherwise those moves don't make sense Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok Finnish8d [-\]: but well ] ;W[hp] ;B[gq] ;W[fn] ;B[eo] ;W[dn] ;B[gn] ;W[ho] ;B[en] ;W[em] ;B[fm] ;W[dl] ;B[el] ;W[dm] ;B[fk] ;W[do] ;B[fn] ;W[lo] ;B[rn] ;W[ro] ;B[pn] (;W[qo] ;B[pd] ;W[od] ;B[pf] ;W[pg] ;B[oe] ;W[ne] ;B[pe] ;W[nf] ;B[ph] ;W[og] ;B[mn] ;W[mo] ;B[no] ;W[np] ;B[nm] ;W[mp] ;B[mc] ;W[md] ;B[me] ;W[nd]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm ] ;B[lb]C[Namii [8d\]: must b play so fiercely? Finnish8d [-\]: As my point w didn Finnish8d [-\]: didn't do anything wrong after Finnish8d [-\]: but the situation cannot stand Namii [8d\]: it seems like if w lives now Namii [8d\]: black took many losses Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know Namii [8d\]: O3, D9 Finnish8d [-\]: but w can hardly live Namii [8d\]: that is true Finnish8d [-\]: there is O9 so w has no eye at all ] ;W[nl] ;B[ln] ;W[qb] ;B[rb] ;W[pb] ;B[rc] ;W[qk] ;B[pi] ;W[oj] ;B[pk]C[Namii [8d\]: W r5 ]) (;W[np]C[Namii [8d\]: seems more like it Namii [8d\]: or anything Finnish8d [-\]: yeah might be the last chance to turn it round Namii [8d\]: but ok, w died right Namii [8d\]: so next game please :) Namii [8d\]: 45 minutes left for me Finnish8d [-\]: well ok, mostly inefficient moves in the early game I'd say Finnish8d [-\]: ok Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: those are the most improtant ones Finnish8d [-\]: so you may take over : ) ])) (;W[ba]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I guess this is the only possibility left? Namii [8d\]: since D18 doesn't work it has to be this one Namii [8d\]: otherwise G15 is 0 pts... Finnish8d [-\]: ok Namii [8d\]: well ok, got D18 in sente Namii [8d\]: but Finnish8d [-\]: hard to win this Namii [8d\]: J11 fixes b center entirely Namii [8d\]: has to ko it Namii [8d\]: actually why not ko? :P Namii [8d\]: E17 and D12 are both strong Namii [8d\]: and lots of threats in the center Finnish8d [-\]: w has to do this, I agree Finnish8d [-\]: but w has a group on top right Finnish8d [-\]: so I'd say this is a ko hard to win Namii [8d\]: ah Namii [8d\]: you say b has a good threat against it? Namii [8d\]: w must have 5 in the center Finnish8d [-\]: I can see b has at least 2 at bottom left Finnish8d [-\]: 2 at bottom right Namii [8d\]: hmm :/ Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: so then leave it Namii [8d\]: make threats first Finnish8d [-\]: so I am not so optimistic ])) (;W[eh] ;B[ei] ;W[fg]C[Namii [8d\]: double ] ;B[gg]C[Namii [8d\]: it's difficult because black's corner can live with B18 Namii [8d\]: so black may just accept white's payment here Namii [8d\]: and let w get through ])) (;W[hd]C[Namii [8d\]: Czech finished (the most of us) quite at ease :) Namii [8d\]: strong players Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: Only Vesa was able to knock out Lukas ] ;B[fh]C[snowman [-\]: c14 is no good, is it Finnish8d [-\]: well Finnish8d [-\]: it wasn't Finnish8d [-\]: but Finnish8d [-\]: that is his intention of doing D14 Finnish8d [-\]: also Finnish8d [-\]: he needs a fire here, or he is just behind Finnish8d [-\]: So.. ])) (;AW[kf][kg]AB[lf][lh]C[Namii [8d\]: Let's assume that is on the board ] ;W[dg]C[Namii [8d\]: how to reply? Finnish8d [-\]: to me i tis D12 ] ;B[dh]C[Namii [8d\]: :/ Namii [8d\]: ok Namii [8d\]: didn't consider this move Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok Finnish8d [-\]: cos I understand your intention ^^ Namii [8d\]: to the others w would have some good answers Namii [8d\]: and if black connects on the 2nd line iwth B13 w gained :P Finnish8d [-\]: yeah i know ]) (;W[dg])) (;W[mi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: have to agree with the opponent Namii [8d\]: Q10 is wishful thinking Finnish8d [-\]: this is the direction snowman [-\]: instead of k16, maybe p12 directly Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ])) (;W[cn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Well Finnish8d [-\]: top right is something difficult Finnish8d [-\]: that is why as w I want to leave it to b :P Namii [8d\]: hehe Namii [8d\]: and w is light there Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Mokki [2d\]: maybe M14 if you want to play something Finnish8d [-\]: being one under attack is easier than an attacker : ) Namii [8d\]: at least w didn't put a stone to K16 in that case :) ]) (;W[ph]) (;W[oh]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm, and then attack M16? ] ;B[qi]C[Namii [8d\]: but P12-R11 is a bit of a minus Namii [8d\]: not sure if b has to care about K16 now Finnish8d [-\]: still no next move around M16 Namii [8d\]: at least not an easy one to find ])) (;W[pp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I think w has to finish here anyway Finnish8d [-\]: more urgent than top side ])) (;B[pd]C[Black: Javier-Aleksi Savolainen 5 dan White: Jan Hora 6 dan W+Time ] ;W[dc] ;B[pq] ;W[po] ;B[qm] ;W[qq] ;B[qr] ;W[qp] ;B[mq] ;W[rr] ;B[pr] ;W[on] ;B[pk]C[Namii [8d\]: Huh ] ;W[eq]C[Namii [8d\]: This variation so early when lower left corner is still not taken :P Finnish8d [-\]: without R6 Namii [8d\]: can we give the shimari? ] (;B[qn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe right Namii [8d\]: Ah snowman [-\]: looks good for black Finnish8d [-\]: and this nobi is Assu :P Namii [8d\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: exactly Namii [8d\]: So this is maybe Namii [8d\]: "dreaming"? Finnish8d [-\]: that is Assu's way to play, he likes this kind of game Namii [8d\]: Yeah Finnish8d [-\]: especially when playing online Finnish8d [-\]: so let's just move on ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: this didn't decide the game either Namii [8d\]: it just feels a bit early Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is Namii [8d\]: cause the plan is not concise Finnish8d [-\]: also small ] ;W[kq]C[Namii [8d\]: and now w got this ] ;B[mo] ;W[mn] ;B[ln] ;W[mm] ;B[no] ;W[ol]C[Namii [8d\]: since b is also weak, R6 is becoming powerless Namii [8d\]: and if w gets R11, the whole R6 looks funny Namii [8d\]: as he did in the game ] ;B[jp] ;W[iq] ;B[jq] ;W[jr] ;B[kp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: So if white's play in the lower right was a bit... not working that well Namii [8d\]: B R6 is a similar kind of mistake? Finnish8d [-\]: let's say R6 is a half move Namii [8d\]: hard to say Namii [8d\]: but it's lively again for w now that he gets R11 ] ;W[qi] (;B[pi]C[Namii [8d\]: and b has to attach it :P Finnish8d [-\]: to me he doesn't Finnish8d [-\]: he could have chosen P9 Namii [8d\]: if b has t obear L3, Q11, and strengthen w R3 Namii [8d\]: then what did Assu have in mind with R6? ] ;W[ph] ;B[oi] ;W[qj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: right ] ;B[ok]TR[oi][pi]SQ[ph][qj]C[Namii [8d\]: Those two white definitely gained Namii [8d\]: if we compare to just pushing up ] ;W[lm] ;B[qf] ;W[oh] ;B[nh] ;W[ng] (;B[qh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: to me this cut decides the game Namii [8d\]: normally it's a good suji, but... Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot do it Namii [8d\]: black's outside shapei s too weak ] ;W[qg] ;B[pg] ;W[rh] ;B[og] ;W[qh] ;B[rf]C[Namii [8d\]: So... Finnish8d [-\]: S14 cannot be done a tleast Namii [8d\]: this is the most severe way Finnish8d [-\]: N12 still Namii [8d\]: Hehe Namii [8d\]: but N12 is move for after the game :) Namii [8d\]: during the game you will never play N12 Namii [8d\]: if you initially cut with Q13 Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok Namii [8d\]: so black chose the most severe way Namii [8d\]: but didn't go that well, right? ] ;W[nf] ;B[oe] ;W[ni] ;B[mh] ;W[mi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cannot ] ;B[lh] ;W[rl]TR[mi][ni]C[Namii [8d\]: so now w is alive Finnish8d [-\]: so basically R7 is dead Namii [8d\]: and the N11 stones can't be captured Namii [8d\]: that's the main fault Namii [8d\]: in this plan Namii [8d\]: that b has no way to capture those now ] ;B[mk] ;W[li] ;B[kk] ;W[kh] ;B[lg] ;W[ql]LB[ki:A]C[Namii [8d\]: and now can't even A Namii [8d\]: you're right :P Namii [8d\]: this was a very big deciding factor Namii [8d\]: but game still goes on I guess Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ] ;B[nl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it was ] ;W[pl] ;B[kj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but not much b can do Namii [8d\]: and have to peep here.... ] ;W[ki] ;B[kf] ;W[ii] ;B[ik] ;W[gj] ;B[jm] ;W[kc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: once again, w just defended to win, like the other 2 games Namii [8d\]: Yeah Namii [8d\]: but this is the kind of a move czech players won't miss Namii [8d\]: very annoying ] (;B[me] ;W[ob]C[Namii [8d\]: but hmm, he still goes on :) I guess he can Namii [8d\]: central group is strong Finnish8d [-\]: yeah he can ] ;B[oc]C[Namii [8d\]: and Assu simply defends? Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: can't do anything else? Finnish8d [-\]: b tried in the following game, and he tried hard as my point Namii [8d\]: yeah here you have to suffer ] ;W[nc] ;B[nd] ;W[pc]C[Namii [8d\]: So painful :P Finnish8d [-\]: yeah it is ] ;B[od]C[Namii [8d\]: :/ Namii [8d\]: I cannot bear to play like this Namii [8d\]: although I guess I did against Silt :P Finnish8d [-\]: but he has to Namii [8d\]: yeah ] ;W[nb] ;B[pb] ;W[je]C[Namii [8d\]: ah he wants to aim at the liberty problems Namii [8d\]: but it is a bit weak a shape Finnish8d [-\]: w is not aiming much but to control the rest board Finnish8d [-\]: his voice is clear here, centre can die, but he controls the empty area ] ;B[gq]C[Namii [8d\]: lag ] (;W[ip]C[Namii [8d\]: hehe Namii [8d\]: so w is this kind of a player :P Finnish8d [-\]: hehe yeah here w faced to it Finnish8d [-\]: I wouldn't even answer G3 Namii [8d\]: very severe moves all the time Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: yeah b connection above is thin Namii [8d\]: but J5 lets w do what he wanted ] (;B[io] ;W[gp] (;B[ho] ;W[fq]C[Namii [8d\]: so what did b gain... Finnish8d [-\]: b has to hane ] ;B[df] ;W[ee] ;B[ef] ;W[ff] ;B[fg] ;W[de] ;B[cf] ;W[ce] ;B[cc] ;W[cb] ;B[db] ;W[eb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b is still thinking about w centre Namii [8d\]: but nothing works Finnish8d [-\]: influding those J5 and H5 Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: so it's just a unrealistic plan Finnish8d [-\]: right Finnish8d [-\]: but let's go on Finnish8d [-\]: you have 20 minutes left ^^ Namii [8d\]: b wants to build a tank Namii [8d\]: so he already starts buying supplies Namii [8d\]: but he only makes 1500€ a month Finnish8d [-\]: :P Namii [8d\]: so after 10 years Namii [8d\]: the guys who sell tank parts Namii [8d\]: they're very happy Namii [8d\]: but Assu doesn't got a tank :P ] ;B[jf] ;W[gg] ;B[eh] ;W[fh] ;B[eg] ;W[ie] ;B[gh] ;W[hg] ;B[fi] ;W[cn]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah so Namii [8d\]: how to turn this around Namii [8d\]: and w still plays like this Namii [8d\]: although there's aji :P Namii [8d\]: very severe guy Finnish8d [-\]: that is Jan Hora ] ;B[co] ;W[bo] ;B[do] ;W[cp] (;B[dp] ;W[cq] ;B[cl] ;W[dn] ;B[kd]C[Namii [8d\]: he let it go Namii [8d\]: cannot play this optimistically Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: in the following, not much happens Namii [8d\]: we got the main points already Finnish8d [-\]: sure Namii [8d\]: I think b just missed his last chance Finnish8d [-\]: so last game please ] ;W[jc] ;B[fo] ;W[go] ;B[gn] ;W[fp] ;B[kr] ;W[ir] ;B[dd] ;W[ec] ;B[be] ;W[cd] ;B[eo] ;W[bm] ;B[bl] ;W[dl] ;B[dk] ;W[ek] ;B[fm] ;W[ck] ;B[dj] ;W[cj] ;B[el] ;W[dm] ;B[ci] ;W[di] ;B[ej] ;W[bi] ;B[ch] ;W[ak] ;B[hh] ;W[ig] ;B[ih] ;W[jg] ;B[ji] ;W[ks] ;B[hp] ;W[lr] ;B[hq] ;W[lq] ;B[rs] ;W[rq] ;B[mr] ;W[fr] ;B[bc] ;W[bd] ;B[bb] ;W[da] ;B[ad] ;W[ge] ;B[bh] ;W[bk] ;B[pp] ;W[qo] ;B[hs] ;W[gs] ;B[gr] ;W[fs] ;B[hr] ;W[is]) (;B[hp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this is a good set up you showed Finnish8d [-\]: so yeah it is pretty good Namii [8d\]: but point is, at least do something ] ;W[hq] ;B[gr] ;W[hr] ;B[hs] ;W[ir]C[snowman [-\]: the ladder doesn't work... ] ;B[bp]C[Namii [8d\]: why isn't assu aiming at the aji at least ] (;W[bn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w cannot even atari from inside ]) (;W[bq]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: D4 ] ;B[dp]C[Namii [8d\]: right ]))) (;B[fp]C[Namii [8d\]: so counterhane? Namii [8d\]: b did H5 ])) (;B[go]C[Namii [8d\]: cannot b play severely too? Mokki [2d\]: maybe H2 first? Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I am thinking about H2 first Namii [8d\]: in case w takes H2 now? Mokki [2d\]: yes Namii [8d\]: but that gives aji at black D3 Mokki [2d\]: no but i think G5 means to kill Namii [8d\]: anyway, J5 seems too simple Mokki [2d\]: and H2 makes it easier Finnish8d [-\]: I am worrying actually on w G2 compromise Namii [8d\]: Ah, definitely not :P Finnish8d [-\]: cos w can afford it Namii [8d\]: cannot kill Namii [8d\]: the plan is unrealistic ] ;W[gr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but ok ] (;B[hr] ;W[hq] ;B[fr] ;W[gp] ;B[fq] ;W[fp] ;B[er] ;W[dq] ;B[dr] ;W[cq] ;B[ir] ;W[io] ;B[jn]C[Namii [8d\]: Ok, it's not that much ]) (;B[dp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: b cannot hane there at least Finnish8d [-\]: I mean what b did in the game Namii [8d\]: yeah that is off ])) (;B[hr] ;W[ir] ;B[go] ;W[in]C[Namii [8d\]: and yeah b cannot hope to kill w here Namii [8d\]: I was thinking that H2 is a heavy exchange Namii [8d\]: so that's why leave it for better timing Finnish8d [-\]: it is ])) (;W[cp] (;B[ip] ;W[jf]C[Namii [8d\]: this is easier to control Finnish8d [-\]: exactly Namii [8d\]: still H3 left ]) (;B[hp] ;W[jf]C[Namii [8d\]: now G2 yose aji ]))) (;B[mc]C[Namii [8d\]: No active way available? Finnish8d [-\]: if we discuss on this, N15 is also a mistake Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this can be done Namii [8d\]: at least try to get the upper right cash Finnish8d [-\]: or b has to try this Namii [8d\]: so you'll feel better ])) (;B[mh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: has to nobi, yeah Namii [8d\]: What's the protection move now? Namii [8d\]: R13 and bear the peep? Namii [8d\]: or P14? Finnish8d [-\]: just tiger P14 I think ] ;W[of] ;B[rg] ;W[rh] ;B[qg] ;W[qh] ;B[oc]C[Namii [8d\]: maybe ? Finnish8d [-\]: still a game ^^ ] ;W[lf] ;B[kh]C[Namii [8d\]: right ])) (;B[ok]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah Namii [8d\]: I'd never do Q11 Finnish8d [-\]: at least better than to attach Namii [8d\]: if b does Q11 Namii [8d\]: then how is black's country ran :P Namii [8d\]: R6 is screaming in defiance Namii [8d\]: but no one listens to him Namii [8d\]: maybe he will start a civil war soon Finnish8d [-\]: :P Namii [8d\]: ok, I'll go on :P ])) (;B[jq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I'd say it is positive to b Namii [8d\]: yeah I agree Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this extension is one I like too ^^ ] ;W[cp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is w task to live with small size Namii [8d\]: Then continue normally Namii [8d\]: lower right favors black Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: and w still has things to do there later ])) (;B[qd]C[Black: Lukas Podpera 6 dan White: Vesa Laatikainen 5 dan W+Res ] ;W[pp] ;B[dc] ;W[cp] ;B[eq] ;W[iq] ;B[cl] ;W[do]C[Namii [8d\]: C8, huh :) Namii [8d\]: I remember some analysis about w C6 after that ] ;B[ci] ;W[dq] ;B[nq] ;W[or] ;B[qn] ;W[oo] ;B[qq] ;W[qp]C[snowman [-\]: black is being tricky Namii [8d\]: hehe ] ;B[rp] ;W[pq] (;B[rr]C[Finnish8d [-\]: too young :P ] ;W[qr] ;B[rq] ;W[od] ;B[oc] ;W[nc] ;B[pc] ;W[nd] ;B[qf] ;W[jc] ;B[hc] ;W[de] ;B[kd]C[snowman [-\]: this reverts slightly to my original plan Namii [8d\]: ok, now we get to something :P snowman [-\]: except L16, of course Namii [8d\]: hehe Finnish8d [-\]: ^^ Namii [8d\]: What is the intention here? snowman [-\]: i don't believe this move exists Finnish8d [-\]: it doesn't :P Namii [8d\]: I'm not sure I get it but let's go on :P ] ;W[kc] ;B[jd] ;W[pd] ;B[qc]C[snowman [-\]: now it is very delicate one-liberty-counting... ] ;W[id] ;B[ic] ;W[hd] ;B[lc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ] ;W[lb] ;B[mb] ;W[jb]C[Namii [8d\]: black falls apart? Finnish8d [-\]: yes Finnish8d [-\]: still Finnish8d [-\]: he should have taken the compromise Finnish8d [-\]: M18 ] (;B[gd]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just accept the fact that the 2 is dead ] ;W[if] ;B[ib]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he refused in the game all the time ] ;W[ld] ;B[jf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cut is right Namii [8d\]: so mainly b is fighting too busy fights ] ;W[gc] ;B[gb] (;W[mc]C[Namii [8d\]: capture you mean? Finnish8d [-\]: ah no I mean for b Finnish8d [-\]: instead of G16 Finnish8d [-\]: I was just thinking about if w can run one more ] (;B[hf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok Namii [8d\]: I'm thinking if it is that important Namii [8d\]: back to game ] ;W[ge]C[snowman [-\]: i thought about that but there was something risky ] ;B[ie] ;W[he] ;B[ig] ;W[fd]C[snowman [-\]: i was happy Finnish8d [-\]: sure ^^ Namii [8d\]: yeah I think w has no reason to be unhappy Finnish8d [-\]: as observer I was happy too ^^ ] ;B[fb] ;W[ia] ;B[hb] ;W[cc] ;B[cb] ;W[ec] ;B[eb] ;W[dd] ;B[db]C[Namii [8d\]: B has center ponnuki but it's actually not that strong Finnish8d [-\]: especially nobi and hane are both sentes Namii [8d\]: and w made perfect shape Namii [8d\]: hehe Namii [8d\]: yeah a very successful mini chinese invasion :) ] ;W[bc] ;B[bb] ;W[ab]C[snowman [-\]: that ponnuki is one of the most stupid looking ponnukis Namii [8d\]: that ponnuki is an attackable ponnuki ^^ Namii [8d\]: is A18 too early? Finnish8d [-\]: well I think it is fine snowman [-\]: i couldn't decide easily about that Namii [8d\]: this investment means white cares about the B17 stones Finnish8d [-\]: cos otherwise when w does C13 Finnish8d [-\]: there is B15 Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: I see Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: ok ] ;B[ha] ;W[cg]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah of course ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: L4?' Namii [8d\]: mm Namii [8d\]: not K4? Finnish8d [-\]: I prefer L4 ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: K4 pays Namii [8d\]: but yeah I agree ] ;B[on]C[Finnish8d [-\]: bottom is bigger than the right Namii [8d\]: yeah ] ;W[nn] ;B[om] ;W[mo]C[Namii [8d\]: this N5 is a happy move :P snowman [-\]: white can still consolidate all lower left corner area Namii [8d\]: hehe ] ;B[jp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: P6 is also problematic ] ;W[ip] ;B[jo] ;W[io] ;B[jn] ;W[kr] ;B[bg] ;W[bh] ;B[ch] (;W[bi] ;B[cf] ;W[dg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: and it works ] ;B[be]C[snowman [-\]: this is easier, but i was taking mind games ] ;W[cj]C[snowman [-\]: this i played too quickly... Namii [8d\]: I'm not sure snowman [-\]: i mean C11 Finnish8d [-\]: I think w did well here snowman [-\]: B11 ] ;B[df] ;W[ef]C[Namii [8d\]: so it's one-way street now Finnish8d [-\]: yes Namii [8d\]: but w lives in sente with F16 Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: I don't think the B17 stones are that big ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: so it is fine snowman [-\]: again one-liberty-counting :) ] ;B[eg] ;W[dh] ;B[ee] ;W[ff] ;B[di] ;W[eh] ;B[ei] ;W[fh] ;B[cd]C[Namii [8d\]: later in the yose there is A13 and A16 Namii [8d\]: ah maybe not a16 ] ;W[dk]LB[ig:2][di:1][jo:3]C[Namii [8d\]: but when you got this stone Namii [8d\]: it's perfect for w snowman [-\]: yeah Finnish8d [-\]: exactly ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: 3 groups Namii [8d\]: so many problems for b snowman [-\]: and something's gonna die Namii [8d\]: and left side pays for upper left ] ;B[fi] ;W[gi] ;B[gh] ;W[fg] ;B[gj] ;W[hi] ;B[fk] ;W[dl] ;B[ng]C[Namii [8d\]: ahh? Namii [8d\]: that is a bit out-of-context :P Finnish8d [-\]: b is gambling ^^ Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: and seems like a good gamble Finnish8d [-\]: well I'd say from here b did it kinda right Namii [8d\]: if w only takes K5 stones, is black's right side enough? snowman [-\]: now i entered my territory counting mood Finnish8d [-\]: but before this it was way too off ] (;W[lg]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: I guess I wouldn't do this directly Finnish8d [-\]: my feeling was like J10 something Finnish8d [-\]: or K11 Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: I guess my feeling was like, w is the comfortable one here Namii [8d\]: so why should white have to play this kind of an uncertain move :P Namii [8d\]: makes it more likely for white to make a mistake Namii [8d\]: and then black catches up snowman [-\]: O7 is the move i wanted to have Namii [8d\]: I guess it's still hard to see what will happen on the board Namii [8d\]: I want to invade the right side :) Finnish8d [-\]: ah ok Finnish8d [-\]: so actually 3 opinions here :P Namii [8d\]: I mean after J10, if w becomes thick snowman [-\]: very good :) Finnish8d [-\]: ah I see Finnish8d [-\]: yeah to me w should attack b left and bottom first Namii [8d\]: or at least reduce from some line above the 4th ] ;B[lf] ;W[mf] ;B[mg] ;W[nf]C[snowman [-\]: i don't want to invade as killing something is enough Finnish8d [-\]: w this way is also pretty solid Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: I guess I just don't like the exchanges on the edge of the moyo Finnish8d [-\]: ok : ) Namii [8d\]: my review lecture should start but let's do another 10 mins ^^ ] ;B[og] ;W[kg]C[Namii [8d\]: yep Namii [8d\]: b only chance for compromise is here but Namii [8d\]: there isn't a move Namii [8d\]: b needs 2 moves ] ;B[kf]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure snowman [-\]: black moyo should be easily reduced when attacking ] ;W[ji]C[Namii [8d\]: this is not easy either for b Finnish8d [-\]: yeah so this is actually fine ] ;B[ij]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah looks good ] ;W[ii] ;B[kh] (;W[lh]C[Namii [8d\]: let's see ] ;B[ki] ;W[jj]C[Namii [8d\]: ah yeah snowman [-\]: m12 was to create liberties and induce k10 Namii [8d\]: I'm getting silly :P ] ;B[li]C[snowman [-\]: i was still worried Namii [8d\]: the life, I see Finnish8d [-\]: the extreme possibility ] (;W[ke]C[Namii [8d\]: this though? ] ;B[ik]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah seems like M15 is w sente, so that extreme possibility is not there Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: so game continues Namii [8d\]: loss of the 3 stones feels a bit bad ] ;W[jk] ;B[il] ;W[hj] ;B[fm] ;W[gl] ;B[fl] ;W[en] ;B[gm] ;W[gk] ;B[fj] ;W[hk] ;B[in]C[Namii [8d\]: ah there isn't? Namii [8d\]: ah I see Finnish8d [-\]: w has back door ^^ Namii [8d\]: yes I know Namii [8d\]: so there's not much to hope by trying to reduce it anymore Finnish8d [-\]: ah I get you ] (;W[jl] ;B[lm] ;W[ll] ;B[ml] ;W[km] ;B[kn] ;W[ln] ;B[mm]C[Namii [8d\]: well Namii [8d\]: b right side became very deep ] ;W[hm] ;B[hn] ;W[gn]C[Namii [8d\]: ^^ snowman [-\]: some funny stuff but it all worked Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: I am still weighing the risks Finnish8d [-\]: almost none ] ;B[im] ;W[hh]C[Namii [8d\]: so this was crafty :) Namii [8d\]: didn't expect cut + H12 :D ] ;B[lq] ;W[kq] ;B[lp] ;W[qo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: this looks clearer actually, to me ^^ ] ;B[ro] ;W[ls]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah ] ;B[nr] ;W[ns] ;B[qs] ;W[lo] ;B[kp]C[Namii [8d\]: mm ] ;W[hl]C[Namii [8d\]: aji still ] (;B[ho] ;W[gq] ;B[pr] ;W[oq]C[Namii [8d\]: and the capture is wrong technique ] ;B[os]C[Namii [8d\]: or dunno Namii [8d\]: maybe same ] ;W[ps] ;B[fn] ;W[go] ;B[os] ;W[mk] ;B[ms] ;W[nm] ;B[nl] ;W[ol] ;B[nk] ;W[pn] ;B[pm] ;W[qm] ;B[po] ;W[pl] ;B[op] ;W[pn]C[Namii [8d\]: hehe nice Namii [8d\]: definitely enough for white Finnish8d [-\]: yes Namii [8d\]: yeah ] ;B[gp] ;W[fo] ;B[fp] ;W[eo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: don't try F2 to live Namii [8d\]: that is the last risk ] ;B[hp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: then just w should have just E2 ] (;W[fr] (;B[qk] ;W[ql] ;B[rk] ;W[nj] ;B[ok] ;W[pk] ;B[oj] ;W[pj] ;B[mj] ;W[qj] ;B[hq] ;W[hr] ;B[ir] ;W[er] ;B[hs] ;W[gr] ;B[jq] ;W[rn] ;B[ri] ;W[rj] ;B[sj] ;W[rl] ;B[ah] ;W[bj] ;B[nb] ;W[je] ;B[qh] ;W[ph] ;B[pg] ;W[sk] ;B[me] ;W[ma] ;B[ob] ;W[le] ;B[if] ;W[of] ;B[jh] ;W[hg] ;B[lk] ;W[qo] ;B[pp] ;W[si]) (;B[er]C[Finnish8d [-\]: also for points it is not a gain Finnish8d [-\]: even if w lives this way Namii [8d\]: this gets jump in the corner Finnish8d [-\]: gote and hurts the corner Finnish8d [-\]: the other way is sente Finnish8d [-\]: so w plays on the right Finnish8d [-\]: to me that is w only mistake in this game Namii [8d\]: I have to give you ctrl now Namii [8d\]: need to start the nga lecture ])) (;W[er] ;B[hq] ;W[fr] ;B[hr] ;W[qi]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure Finnish8d [-\]: to me this is a lot cleaer snowman [-\]: ok Finnish8d [-\]: but this is the only thing in the entire game Finnish8d [-\]: w did very well I'd say : ) snowman [-\]: thanks, i was in high mood after the game :) Finnish8d [-\]: ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: well alright, then I guess this session is done. Finnish8d [-\]: thanks for your attention. ^^ Namii [8d\]: ok, I'll save it :) Namii [8d\]: thanks all! ])) (;B[os]C[Namii [8d\]: can b immediately make it a ko? Finnish8d [-\]: b probably should ])) (;W[mk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so you want to jump Namii [8d\]: yes, prepare Namii [8d\]: so I'm still playing the leading game :P Namii [8d\]: but maybe it is not so optimistic anymore Finnish8d [-\]: possible Namii [8d\]: white L15 lost 1 move Finnish8d [-\]: but there is also a risk in this way Finnish8d [-\]: in case b lives Finnish8d [-\]: w has to use the back door then Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: yeah ])) (;W[il]C[Namii [8d\]: so how does b kill? Namii [8d\]: if white gets this one now I'd say over ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: hehe ok ] ;B[nb] ;W[le] ;B[mh] ;W[of])) (;W[il]C[Namii [8d\]: can w take a break? Namii [8d\]: ops, maybe not this move ]) (;W[jk]C[Finnish8d [-\]: clamp is more like it?? ]) (;W[ik]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm yes Finnish8d [-\]: as your intention I mean ^^ Namii [8d\]: so get strength first Namii [8d\]: before M12 Finnish8d [-\]: to me what w did in the game is perfectly fine Namii [8d\]: have to admit I'm not reading much into it Namii [8d\]: just feeling that it is a bit risky ])) (;W[ij]C[Namii [8d\]: I like this snowman [-\]: white group needed some help, i think Namii [8d\]: w can't die Namii [8d\]: so if black simply connects F9 and K5, and H11 becomes thick Namii [8d\]: w can just plunge into the right side right away Namii [8d\]: hmm Namii [8d\]: black O18, huh ] (;B[nb]C[Namii [8d\]: (later I mean) Namii [8d\]: hard to imagine w could die Finnish8d [-\]: well w is alive ] ;W[me]C[Finnish8d [-\]: just make eye right away ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: yes Namii [8d\]: something like this exists ]) (;B[ik] ;W[jk] ;B[il] ;W[hj] ;B[hk] ;W[gl] ;B[gk]C[snowman [-\]: yeah, but m13 was practical in both directions :) ] ;W[kj]))) (;W[bf] ;B[dg] ;W[cf] ;B[bi]C[Namii [8d\]: yeah don't want to give this Finnish8d [-\]: right, to me B11 is right ])) (;B[fc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: it is not ^^ Finnish8d [-\]: detail Namii [8d\]: no way b can throw center away too right? ] ;W[kf] (;B[hf] ;W[je]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he probably should do like this actually ] ;B[fh]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but this he admitted he was wrong earlier Namii [8d\]: F17 is my intuition to become thick ]) (;B[fh]C[Namii [8d\]: actually that is a bad exchange Namii [8d\]: so just here Namii [8d\]: if w dies it's playable but there is aji Namii [8d\]: anyway white has sente now Namii [8d\]: ah, upper left is the biggest ] ;W[cc] ;B[cb] (;W[bb]C[Namii [8d\]: at least there is this :) ]) (;W[dk]C[Namii [8d\]: but I am not sure Finnish8d [-\]: yeah this is more like it Namii [8d\]: I am not confident as black :P Namii [8d\]: anyway ])))) (;W[fc] ;B[fb] (;W[mc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: atari first ]) (;W[ia]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos the 2 will die soon ^^ ] ;B[hb] ;W[mc]C[Namii [8d\]: hmm yes ]))) (;B[gc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sorry M19 Finnish8d [-\]: then M16 ]) (;B[la]C[Namii [8d\]: Ah I see ] ;W[gc]C[Finnish8d [-\]: he has to accept that ] ;B[kb] ;W[hb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok Namii [8d\]: it is not that bad Namii [8d\]: but I guess b gote Finnish8d [-\]: still negative to b ] ;B[le]C[Finnish8d [-\]: cos w plays on top left first Finnish8d [-\]: but this is a game ] ;W[cc]C[Namii [8d\]: Yeah Namii [8d\]: well ] ;B[pk]C[Namii [8d\]: cannot say b didn't get potential Namii [8d\]: just upper left position got destroyed and that is kinda big too Finnish8d [-\]: yes ])) (;B[rq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: also full of anger after the tournament in Japn Finnish8d [-\]: Japan* Namii [8d\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: his main problem at go right now is his emotional handling Namii [8d\]: but that will only take a few years Finnish8d [-\]: yeah Namii [8d\]: what about S3 here? Namii [8d\]: if white R2, black will jump to R9 rather Namii [8d\]: well Finnish8d [-\]: he meant he has options of w R2 Namii [8d\]: small thing anyway Finnish8d [-\]: so that is nothing wrong at least ])))