(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Ten]PB[Veivi]DT[2015-03-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Veivi [-\]: have a nice game
]RE[W+Resign]
(;B[pd]C[Ten [?\]: Hyvää peliä
]
;W[dp]
;B[oq]
;W[dc]
;B[ce]
;W[ci]
;B[gc]
;W[ed]
;B[jc]
;W[cd]
;B[qp]
;W[qj]
;B[ql]
;W[qf]
;B[qh]
;W[of]
;B[rd]
;W[pi]
;B[nd]
;W[ph]
;B[fq]
;W[dn]
;B[ei]
;W[dk]
;B[de]
;W[ee]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]
;B[di]
;W[ai]
;B[cj]
;W[bi]
;B[ef]
;W[ff]
(;B[cg]
;W[eg]C[Veivi [-\]: it was my main alternative, but rejected it
]
;B[df]
;W[fg]
;B[eh]C[Ten [?\]: Ok
]
;W[dj]
;B[gi]
;W[dr]LB[ge:A]C[Ten [?\]: Normally I'd do A here right away
Ten [?\]: D2 is the Czech emulation
]
;B[eb]
;W[bd]
;B[be]
;W[ge]C[ikuy [3d\]: okay
Ten [?\]: Well, though, exchanges with g15
Ten [?\]: No big deal
]
(;B[jp]
;W[lq]LB[lq:A]C[Veivi [-\]: like M5?
Ten [?\]: I'd see A as a weak stone, so I'd try to get it on the run
Ten [?\]: Also eyes in the top left
]
(;B[lp]
;W[mp]
;B[mq]
;W[nq]C[ikuy [3d\]: b15 too early or good move?
]
;B[mr]
;W[kp]
;B[lo]C[Ten [?\]: I guess it wasn't necessary if black's not going to attack right away
]
;W[mo]
;B[lr]
;W[op]
;B[nr]
;W[mn]
;B[np]
;W[ko]
;B[kq]
;W[ln]
;B[fk]
;W[lq]
;B[lp]
;W[lc]
(;B[ld]C[Ten [?\]: Ah, ok, now I get the plan :)
Ten [?\]: Anti-Czechian plan then, nice
Ten [?\]: Let's see if we can make it work
Ootakamoku [2d\]: possible to not play m16?
]
;W[kc]C[Ten [?\]: But how?
Veivi [-\]: dunno, L16?
Veivi [-\]: before M16
]
;B[kd]
;W[jb]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]C[Veivi [-\]: yeah, but i thought allowing O18 or the like is also unacceptable
Veivi [-\]: so maybe do differently earlier?
]
;B[mc]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, yeah, allowing white h17 is probably too painful
]
;W[hc]
;B[hd]
;W[hb]
;B[gd]
;W[gb]
;B[ec]
;W[dd]
;B[id]
;W[fc]
;B[fd]
;W[fb]
;B[fe]
;W[ji]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b l9?
Veivi [-\]: K9 better maybe?
]
(;B[li]C[Ten [?\]: This is to prevent any white territory in this area?
Veivi [-\]: it was mostly just trying to be active
]
;W[jk]C[Ten [?\]: Ah, ok
]
;B[lk]
;W[in]
;B[ol]
;W[oo]
;B[ih]
;W[jh]
;B[jg]C[Veivi [-\]: trying to show some spirit
]
;W[kg]
;B[jf]
;W[ii]
;B[hh]
;W[qo]LB[nk:A]C[Veivi [-\]: but i started falling apart here, or shortly after
Ten [?\]: Yeah, the shape around A is a bit too overextended
Veivi [-\]: yea
Ten [?\]: Hmm, I guess that's most of what we'll get out of this game
Veivi [-\]: prolly too greedy of a plan for b
Ten [?\]: Questions left?
Ten [?\]: Taking initiative in top left was definitely the key area
Veivi [-\]: try to have cake and eat it :)
Veivi [-\]: yeah, ok
Ten [?\]: Lower side I would play differently myself, but it's probably not too bad for black
Veivi [-\]: differently how?
]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]
;B[po]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[pn]
;B[rq]
;W[qq]
;B[sp]
;W[pq]
;B[qk]
;W[rj]
;B[rf]
;W[rg]
;B[qe]
;W[sf]
;B[re]
;W[pf]
;B[er]
;W[hq]
;B[cr]
;W[dq]
;B[ds]
;W[bq]
;B[hp]
;W[ip]
;B[iq]
;W[gp]
;B[hr]
;W[ho]
;B[gr]
;W[jo]
;B[jq]
;W[mb]
;B[nb]
;W[la]
;B[oc]
;W[nk]
;B[lg]
;W[lh]
;B[mh]
;W[kh]
;B[nl]
;W[ml]
;B[mk]
;W[nj]
;B[ni]
;W[pk]C[Ten [?\]: Vaihdetaan puolen maissa läpikäynnin puolelle
Veivi [-\]: jes
]
;B[on]
;W[pp]
;B[mf]
;W[qm]
;B[rm]
;W[pl]
;B[rr]
;W[rl]
;B[pr]
;W[mj]
;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[br]
;W[bp]
;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[ad]
;W[ac]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, ehkä voisi aloitella jo?
Veivi [-\]: mjoo
Ten [?\]: Ootalla loppui, ja täälläkin loppupeliä lähinnä
Ten [?\]: Kiitos
Veivi [-\]: kiitti
Ten [?\]: Katsotaan Ootan ensin
Ten [?\]: And maybe switch to English so Jeff can follow later
])
(;B[jk]
;W[li]
;B[lk]
;W[in]LB[hh:A]C[Ten [?\]: But I don't think white is going to be in trouble here
Ten [?\]: And sooner or later black needs to go back to prevent white A
Veivi [-\]: yeah, but black also a bit less trouble :)
Ten [?\]: Over the actual game, yeah
Ten [?\]: But this looks almost just as thin to my eyes
])
(;B[ih]C[Ten [?\]: I think if I'm black, I'll just take them
Ten [?\]: Since I need to take them anyway
Ten [?\]: Might be passive, but that centre is actually pretty empty for white as well
Veivi [-\]: i guess, yeah
Ten [?\]: After this, it's much easier for black to decide which shape to pick
]
;W[jh]
;B[ii]
;W[jj]
;B[ol]C[Ten [?\]: Well, this is just if it's me
Ten [?\]: Territory-wise black is probably a bit in trouble anyway
Ten [?\]: So in that sense, active plan is good
Ten [?\]: More likely to get white make a mistake
]))
(;B[kd]
;W[ld]
;B[le]
;W[jb]
;B[ib]
;W[kb]
;B[id]
;W[nb]LB[me:A]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b not stable enough to block the corner, and make w run, then split?
Ten [?\]: Doesn't seem like there's a really severe move for the top left like this either
Veivi [-\]: if i need to allow O18 anyway, i think i'll allow it this way though
Ten [?\]: you will?
Ten [?\]: With the A cut, I think black is weaker like this
Veivi [-\]: kinda, but the shape on the left is a bit more pleasante
Ten [?\]: There's that at least, yeah
Ten [?\]: But if it doesn't help at the attack, it's not of very big value
Veivi [-\]: maybe i'm still dreaming of the attack
Veivi [-\]: that was supposed to come later
Ten [?\]: Not many big points left on the board like this
]))
(;B[kq]
;W[lp]
;B[jn]
;W[ln]
;B[jl]LB[cb:B][gi:A]C[Ten [?\]: So running to the centre should be interesting to black
Ten [?\]: Helps A and aims at B next
Veivi [-\]: i see
Ten [?\]: In the game, black sold any centre influence possible for some 10 points on the lower side
Ten [?\]: After that, getting B to work became hard
Ten [?\]: (Or anything around there)
Veivi [-\]: i actually thought i'll probably get center influ when playing M4
Veivi [-\]: but got denied :)
Ten [?\]: Hehe
Ten [?\]: Alright, let's finish here, I'll scram for the next lecture :)
Veivi [-\]: ok
Veivi [-\]: thanks for game & review
]))
(;B[cb]LB[eh:A]C[Ten [?\]: Is there something here?
ikuy [3d\]: w seems pretty ok
ikuy [3d\]: d2 is a must :)
Veivi [-\]: i thought i'd leave stuff like this for later
Veivi [-\]: the dream was to somehow close M17 while threatening this
Ten [?\]: But if you can attack white with this, you should do it immediately
Veivi [-\]: but obviously it did not happen :)
Ten [?\]: Or if you can get eyes for A
Ten [?\]: Eyes for either group is the first priority
Ten [?\]: K4 is something totally unimportant in comparison, though it's of course big
Veivi [-\]: yeah
Ten [?\]: Urgent vs. big
Ten [?\]: In my image, it's supposed to go something like this
]
;W[ec]
;B[db]
;W[ie]
;B[hd]
;W[ig]C[Veivi [-\]: i agree
]
;B[ii]LB[lc:A]C[Ten [?\]: White will find it much harder to find time to invade at A like this
Veivi [-\]: yeah, this is clearly superior
Ten [?\]: Righty
Ten [?\]: Need to take the initiative
]))
(;B[dg]LB[bg:A]C[Ten [?\]: This is the shape, right?
Veivi [-\]: i thought about it, but it lets you connect :)
Veivi [-\]: kinda
Ten [?\]: Lets me connect where?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: how?
Veivi [-\]: but this way you never need to play P10
Ten [?\]: In the first place, white wouldn't want to connect there
Veivi [-\]: err D10
Ten [?\]: Ah, I think I'll get it anyway
Ten [?\]: Or anyway, if not, then black A is sente
Veivi [-\]: ok, maybe this really was better then
Ten [?\]: In the game I get d10 just because it makes black weaker in the centre
]
;W[cg]C[Veivi [-\]: well ok, not quite
]
;B[dh]
;W[cf]
;B[bg]))
(;B[pf]
;W[dp]
;B[np]
;W[dc]
;B[df]
;W[fd]
;B[cj]
;W[qp]
;B[cn]
;W[fq]
(;B[qq]
;W[pq]
;B[pp]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]
;W[rr]
;B[rq]
;W[op]
;B[po]
;W[oo]
;B[on]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[qs]
(;B[sr]
;W[rs]
;B[rp]
;W[ro]
;B[rn]
;W[sp]
;B[qn]
;W[sq]
;B[no]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: wasnt sure here if to capture p4 in sente or seal in in gote like this
Ten [?\]: It's not really sente though
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I thought if I capture p4 you can easily move to right side from corner
Ootakamoku [2d\]: fixing the problem
Ten [?\]: Ah, no no
Ten [?\]: I just move elsewhere
]
;W[qh]
(;B[og]C[Veivi [-\]: i feel that's the questionable one
]
;W[qe]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: unfair!
]
;B[qf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: r14 or q17 instead of p13`?
]
;W[rf]
(;B[od]C[Veivi [-\]: alright
]
;W[rd]
;B[hc]
;W[ff]C[ikuy [3d\]: must block with s13 there
Ten [?\]: This way it starts looking like black doesn't get a moyo anywhere
Ootakamoku [2d\]: almost regret h17
Veivi [-\]: is P13 really the best move though
]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;B[bc]
;W[dd]
;B[ce]
;W[bb]
;B[ad]
;W[id]
;B[ge]
;W[hd]
;B[gd]
;W[gc]
;B[fe]
;W[gb]
;B[gf]
;W[em]
;B[dm]
;W[el]
(;B[cp]C[Ten [?\]: All the attachments here helped white too much
]
;W[cq]
;B[en]
;W[gm]
;B[fn]
;W[hk]
;B[dq]
;W[dr]
;B[bq]
;W[eq]
;B[bo]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, the rest is not so important I guess
Ten [?\]: Let's go to Veivi's game
Ootakamoku [2d\]: thank you for the game & review
Ten [?\]: Thanks
]
;W[dj]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]
;B[ej]
;W[di]
;B[fj]
;W[dl]
;B[ck]
;W[cl]
;B[ci]
;W[do]
;B[dn]
;W[co]C[Ten [?\]: Vaihdetaan puolen maissa läpikäynnin puolelle
Ten [?\]: Ei kun, hmm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok
Ten [?\]: Joo, puolelta
]
;B[bm]
;W[bl]
;B[gn]
;W[hm]
;B[bp]
;W[br]
;B[io]
;W[hn]
;B[ho]
;W[go]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: thx
Ten [?\]: Kiitos
Ootakamoku [2d\]: luin ton vaan väärin :(
Ootakamoku [2d\]: siis luin kyllä leikkauksen, en vaan tiedä mitä hallusinoin, b4 vaihdon oli tarkoituis paikata se
Ten [?\]: Let's start here
Ten [?\]: Switching to English for Jeff
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sure
])
(;B[en]
(;W[gm]
;B[fn]C[ikuy [3d\]: h8 
]
;W[hk]
;B[fm]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: right, I got paranoid over something
Ten [?\]: Brute force way could actually be hard
]
;W[fl]
;B[gl]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I read white hane and black double hane etc
Ten [?\]: On white, I mean
Ten [?\]: Ah, no, you just cut of course
]
;W[hl]
;B[gk]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cut like this way too rarely, need to remember to read it
]
;W[gj]
;B[fk]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I mean f7 cut against the hane
Ten [?\]: Yeah yeah
Ten [?\]: Answering to ikuy
ikuy [3d\]: seems ok for w
Ten [?\]: It does?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bottom left looks like its pained
ikuy [3d\]: yes, cut seems a bit too early
Ten [?\]: I don't see how white makes shape
ikuy [3d\]: f10 e9 e10 d9 h10 
]
;W[fj]
;B[ek]
;W[ej]
;B[dk]
;W[hj]C[ikuy [3d\]: w strong shape
ikuy [3d\]: b only 7 points there
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: for me that w group looks like tasty beef
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w shape dont look that strong to me..
Ten [?\]: Shape is strong of course, but the group is a bit in the wrong place
]
;B[cq]C[Ten [?\]: Territory-wise white is now taking a beating
ikuy [3d\]: well, w shape seems pretty ideal to this board
ikuy [3d\]: d3 c4 j3 
]
;W[dq]
;B[cp]
;W[iq]
;B[if]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w shape seems flat to me, am I really perciecing it that wrong?
Ten [?\]: Guess something like this would follow
Ootakamoku [2d\]: like w could become heavy very easily
Veivi [-\]: something about it screams "dame" to me :)
Ten [?\]: Maybe white is playable, but this for sure isn't what I was looking for in the game
])
(;W[fn]
;B[fm]C[Ten [?\]: This is real scary for white
Ootakamoku [2d\]: right...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: uh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: silly me
])))
(;B[rg]
(;W[rd]
;B[sf])
(;W[re]
;B[qg]
;W[od]
;B[mc]C[Ten [?\]: This wasn't good enough?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I kept wonderinfg about s12 aji
]
;W[rh]
;B[sg]C[Ten [?\]: Could be something, but this early in the game it's scary for white to get in
Ootakamoku [2d\]: now if w moves out with o15..
]
;W[ne]
;B[ob]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok
]
;W[pc]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]
;B[jc]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: wasnt sure I could n17, which is why I didnt choose this
Ten [?\]: If it's a fight on the right side, black should be happy
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but I guess the s12 is no problem for now
Ten [?\]: Right
])))
(;B[rf]C[Ten [?\]: So like this?
ikuy [3d\]: I thought p12 better?
Veivi [-\]: for example this
]
;W[oh]
;B[nf]C[Ten [?\]: Yeah, black could play this too
Ten [?\]: There's probably many ideas that can work for black
Veivi [-\]: i just think P13 is not that interesting with F16 stone chilling there
Ten [?\]: But I don't think p13 is a particularly problematic move in itself
Ten [?\]: The idea may be problematic, who knows
Ten [?\]: The move, no problem
]))
(;B[oq]
;W[sq]
(;B[or]
;W[rp]
;B[no]C[Ten [?\]: I expected this way
Ootakamoku [2d\]: skip p2?
]
;W[ip]C[Ten [?\]: Something to this extent, I guess
])
(;B[no]C[Ten [?\]: Not much of a difference?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: that way I can r6
Ten [?\]: But it's gote
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok
])))
(;B[pq])))
