(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50] PW[Ten]PB[Veivi]DT[2015-03-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Veivi [-\]: have a nice game ]RE[W+Resign] (;B[pd]C[Ten [?\]: Hyvää peliä ] ;W[dp] ;B[oq] ;W[dc] ;B[ce] ;W[ci] ;B[gc] ;W[ed] ;B[jc] ;W[cd] ;B[qp] ;W[qj] ;B[ql] ;W[qf] ;B[qh] ;W[of] ;B[rd] ;W[pi] ;B[nd] ;W[ph] ;B[fq] ;W[dn] ;B[ei] ;W[dk] ;B[de] ;W[ee] ;B[ch] ;W[bh] ;B[bi] ;W[bj] ;B[di] ;W[ai] ;B[cj] ;W[bi] ;B[ef] ;W[ff] (;B[cg] ;W[eg]C[Veivi [-\]: it was my main alternative, but rejected it ] ;B[df] ;W[fg] ;B[eh]C[Ten [?\]: Ok ] ;W[dj] ;B[gi] ;W[dr]LB[ge:A]C[Ten [?\]: Normally I'd do A here right away Ten [?\]: D2 is the Czech emulation ] ;B[eb] ;W[bd] ;B[be] ;W[ge]C[ikuy [3d\]: okay Ten [?\]: Well, though, exchanges with g15 Ten [?\]: No big deal ] (;B[jp] ;W[lq]LB[lq:A]C[Veivi [-\]: like M5? Ten [?\]: I'd see A as a weak stone, so I'd try to get it on the run Ten [?\]: Also eyes in the top left ] (;B[lp] ;W[mp] ;B[mq] ;W[nq]C[ikuy [3d\]: b15 too early or good move? ] ;B[mr] ;W[kp] ;B[lo]C[Ten [?\]: I guess it wasn't necessary if black's not going to attack right away ] ;W[mo] ;B[lr] ;W[op] ;B[nr] ;W[mn] ;B[np] ;W[ko] ;B[kq] ;W[ln] ;B[fk] ;W[lq] ;B[lp] ;W[lc] (;B[ld]C[Ten [?\]: Ah, ok, now I get the plan :) Ten [?\]: Anti-Czechian plan then, nice Ten [?\]: Let's see if we can make it work Ootakamoku [2d\]: possible to not play m16? ] ;W[kc]C[Ten [?\]: But how? Veivi [-\]: dunno, L16? Veivi [-\]: before M16 ] ;B[kd] ;W[jb] ;B[ic] ;W[ib]C[Veivi [-\]: yeah, but i thought allowing O18 or the like is also unacceptable Veivi [-\]: so maybe do differently earlier? ] ;B[mc]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, yeah, allowing white h17 is probably too painful ] ;W[hc] ;B[hd] ;W[hb] ;B[gd] ;W[gb] ;B[ec] ;W[dd] ;B[id] ;W[fc] ;B[fd] ;W[fb] ;B[fe] ;W[ji]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b l9? Veivi [-\]: K9 better maybe? ] (;B[li]C[Ten [?\]: This is to prevent any white territory in this area? Veivi [-\]: it was mostly just trying to be active ] ;W[jk]C[Ten [?\]: Ah, ok ] ;B[lk] ;W[in] ;B[ol] ;W[oo] ;B[ih] ;W[jh] ;B[jg]C[Veivi [-\]: trying to show some spirit ] ;W[kg] ;B[jf] ;W[ii] ;B[hh] ;W[qo]LB[nk:A]C[Veivi [-\]: but i started falling apart here, or shortly after Ten [?\]: Yeah, the shape around A is a bit too overextended Veivi [-\]: yea Ten [?\]: Hmm, I guess that's most of what we'll get out of this game Veivi [-\]: prolly too greedy of a plan for b Ten [?\]: Questions left? Ten [?\]: Taking initiative in top left was definitely the key area Veivi [-\]: try to have cake and eat it :) Veivi [-\]: yeah, ok Ten [?\]: Lower side I would play differently myself, but it's probably not too bad for black Veivi [-\]: differently how? ] ;B[ro] ;W[rp] ;B[po] ;W[qn] ;B[rn] ;W[pn] ;B[rq] ;W[qq] ;B[sp] ;W[pq] ;B[qk] ;W[rj] ;B[rf] ;W[rg] ;B[qe] ;W[sf] ;B[re] ;W[pf] ;B[er] ;W[hq] ;B[cr] ;W[dq] ;B[ds] ;W[bq] ;B[hp] ;W[ip] ;B[iq] ;W[gp] ;B[hr] ;W[ho] ;B[gr] ;W[jo] ;B[jq] ;W[mb] ;B[nb] ;W[la] ;B[oc] ;W[nk] ;B[lg] ;W[lh] ;B[mh] ;W[kh] ;B[nl] ;W[ml] ;B[mk] ;W[nj] ;B[ni] ;W[pk]C[Ten [?\]: Vaihdetaan puolen maissa läpikäynnin puolelle Veivi [-\]: jes ] ;B[on] ;W[pp] ;B[mf] ;W[qm] ;B[rm] ;W[pl] ;B[rr] ;W[rl] ;B[pr] ;W[mj] ;B[cq] ;W[cp] ;B[br] ;W[bp] ;B[il] ;W[jl] ;B[ad] ;W[ac]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, ehkä voisi aloitella jo? Veivi [-\]: mjoo Ten [?\]: Ootalla loppui, ja täälläkin loppupeliä lähinnä Ten [?\]: Kiitos Veivi [-\]: kiitti Ten [?\]: Katsotaan Ootan ensin Ten [?\]: And maybe switch to English so Jeff can follow later ]) (;B[jk] ;W[li] ;B[lk] ;W[in]LB[hh:A]C[Ten [?\]: But I don't think white is going to be in trouble here Ten [?\]: And sooner or later black needs to go back to prevent white A Veivi [-\]: yeah, but black also a bit less trouble :) Ten [?\]: Over the actual game, yeah Ten [?\]: But this looks almost just as thin to my eyes ]) (;B[ih]C[Ten [?\]: I think if I'm black, I'll just take them Ten [?\]: Since I need to take them anyway Ten [?\]: Might be passive, but that centre is actually pretty empty for white as well Veivi [-\]: i guess, yeah Ten [?\]: After this, it's much easier for black to decide which shape to pick ] ;W[jh] ;B[ii] ;W[jj] ;B[ol]C[Ten [?\]: Well, this is just if it's me Ten [?\]: Territory-wise black is probably a bit in trouble anyway Ten [?\]: So in that sense, active plan is good Ten [?\]: More likely to get white make a mistake ])) (;B[kd] ;W[ld] ;B[le] ;W[jb] ;B[ib] ;W[kb] ;B[id] ;W[nb]LB[me:A]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b not stable enough to block the corner, and make w run, then split? Ten [?\]: Doesn't seem like there's a really severe move for the top left like this either Veivi [-\]: if i need to allow O18 anyway, i think i'll allow it this way though Ten [?\]: you will? Ten [?\]: With the A cut, I think black is weaker like this Veivi [-\]: kinda, but the shape on the left is a bit more pleasante Ten [?\]: There's that at least, yeah Ten [?\]: But if it doesn't help at the attack, it's not of very big value Veivi [-\]: maybe i'm still dreaming of the attack Veivi [-\]: that was supposed to come later Ten [?\]: Not many big points left on the board like this ])) (;B[kq] ;W[lp] ;B[jn] ;W[ln] ;B[jl]LB[cb:B][gi:A]C[Ten [?\]: So running to the centre should be interesting to black Ten [?\]: Helps A and aims at B next Veivi [-\]: i see Ten [?\]: In the game, black sold any centre influence possible for some 10 points on the lower side Ten [?\]: After that, getting B to work became hard Ten [?\]: (Or anything around there) Veivi [-\]: i actually thought i'll probably get center influ when playing M4 Veivi [-\]: but got denied :) Ten [?\]: Hehe Ten [?\]: Alright, let's finish here, I'll scram for the next lecture :) Veivi [-\]: ok Veivi [-\]: thanks for game & review ])) (;B[cb]LB[eh:A]C[Ten [?\]: Is there something here? ikuy [3d\]: w seems pretty ok ikuy [3d\]: d2 is a must :) Veivi [-\]: i thought i'd leave stuff like this for later Veivi [-\]: the dream was to somehow close M17 while threatening this Ten [?\]: But if you can attack white with this, you should do it immediately Veivi [-\]: but obviously it did not happen :) Ten [?\]: Or if you can get eyes for A Ten [?\]: Eyes for either group is the first priority Ten [?\]: K4 is something totally unimportant in comparison, though it's of course big Veivi [-\]: yeah Ten [?\]: Urgent vs. big Ten [?\]: In my image, it's supposed to go something like this ] ;W[ec] ;B[db] ;W[ie] ;B[hd] ;W[ig]C[Veivi [-\]: i agree ] ;B[ii]LB[lc:A]C[Ten [?\]: White will find it much harder to find time to invade at A like this Veivi [-\]: yeah, this is clearly superior Ten [?\]: Righty Ten [?\]: Need to take the initiative ])) (;B[dg]LB[bg:A]C[Ten [?\]: This is the shape, right? Veivi [-\]: i thought about it, but it lets you connect :) Veivi [-\]: kinda Ten [?\]: Lets me connect where? Ootakamoku [2d\]: how? Veivi [-\]: but this way you never need to play P10 Ten [?\]: In the first place, white wouldn't want to connect there Veivi [-\]: err D10 Ten [?\]: Ah, I think I'll get it anyway Ten [?\]: Or anyway, if not, then black A is sente Veivi [-\]: ok, maybe this really was better then Ten [?\]: In the game I get d10 just because it makes black weaker in the centre ] ;W[cg]C[Veivi [-\]: well ok, not quite ] ;B[dh] ;W[cf] ;B[bg])) (;B[pf] ;W[dp] ;B[np] ;W[dc] ;B[df] ;W[fd] ;B[cj] ;W[qp] ;B[cn] ;W[fq] (;B[qq] ;W[pq] ;B[pp] ;W[pr] ;B[qr] ;W[rr] ;B[rq] ;W[op] ;B[po] ;W[oo] ;B[on] ;W[qo] ;B[pn] ;W[qs] (;B[sr] ;W[rs] ;B[rp] ;W[ro] ;B[rn] ;W[sp] ;B[qn] ;W[sq] ;B[no]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: wasnt sure here if to capture p4 in sente or seal in in gote like this Ten [?\]: It's not really sente though Ootakamoku [2d\]: I thought if I capture p4 you can easily move to right side from corner Ootakamoku [2d\]: fixing the problem Ten [?\]: Ah, no no Ten [?\]: I just move elsewhere ] ;W[qh] (;B[og]C[Veivi [-\]: i feel that's the questionable one ] ;W[qe]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: unfair! ] ;B[qf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: r14 or q17 instead of p13`? ] ;W[rf] (;B[od]C[Veivi [-\]: alright ] ;W[rd] ;B[hc] ;W[ff]C[ikuy [3d\]: must block with s13 there Ten [?\]: This way it starts looking like black doesn't get a moyo anywhere Ootakamoku [2d\]: almost regret h17 Veivi [-\]: is P13 really the best move though ] ;B[cd] ;W[cc] ;B[bc] ;W[dd] ;B[ce] ;W[bb] ;B[ad] ;W[id] ;B[ge] ;W[hd] ;B[gd] ;W[gc] ;B[fe] ;W[gb] ;B[gf] ;W[em] ;B[dm] ;W[el] (;B[cp]C[Ten [?\]: All the attachments here helped white too much ] ;W[cq] ;B[en] ;W[gm] ;B[fn] ;W[hk] ;B[dq] ;W[dr] ;B[bq] ;W[eq] ;B[bo]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, the rest is not so important I guess Ten [?\]: Let's go to Veivi's game Ootakamoku [2d\]: thank you for the game & review Ten [?\]: Thanks ] ;W[dj] ;B[dk] ;W[ek] ;B[ej] ;W[di] ;B[fj] ;W[dl] ;B[ck] ;W[cl] ;B[ci] ;W[do] ;B[dn] ;W[co]C[Ten [?\]: Vaihdetaan puolen maissa läpikäynnin puolelle Ten [?\]: Ei kun, hmm Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok Ten [?\]: Joo, puolelta ] ;B[bm] ;W[bl] ;B[gn] ;W[hm] ;B[bp] ;W[br] ;B[io] ;W[hn] ;B[ho] ;W[go]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: thx Ten [?\]: Kiitos Ootakamoku [2d\]: luin ton vaan väärin :( Ootakamoku [2d\]: siis luin kyllä leikkauksen, en vaan tiedä mitä hallusinoin, b4 vaihdon oli tarkoituis paikata se Ten [?\]: Let's start here Ten [?\]: Switching to English for Jeff Ootakamoku [2d\]: sure ]) (;B[en] (;W[gm] ;B[fn]C[ikuy [3d\]: h8 ] ;W[hk] ;B[fm]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: right, I got paranoid over something Ten [?\]: Brute force way could actually be hard ] ;W[fl] ;B[gl]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I read white hane and black double hane etc Ten [?\]: On white, I mean Ten [?\]: Ah, no, you just cut of course ] ;W[hl] ;B[gk]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I cut like this way too rarely, need to remember to read it ] ;W[gj] ;B[fk]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I mean f7 cut against the hane Ten [?\]: Yeah yeah Ten [?\]: Answering to ikuy ikuy [3d\]: seems ok for w Ten [?\]: It does? Ootakamoku [2d\]: bottom left looks like its pained ikuy [3d\]: yes, cut seems a bit too early Ten [?\]: I don't see how white makes shape ikuy [3d\]: f10 e9 e10 d9 h10 ] ;W[fj] ;B[ek] ;W[ej] ;B[dk] ;W[hj]C[ikuy [3d\]: w strong shape ikuy [3d\]: b only 7 points there Wirtuoosi [2d\]: for me that w group looks like tasty beef Ootakamoku [2d\]: w shape dont look that strong to me.. Ten [?\]: Shape is strong of course, but the group is a bit in the wrong place ] ;B[cq]C[Ten [?\]: Territory-wise white is now taking a beating ikuy [3d\]: well, w shape seems pretty ideal to this board ikuy [3d\]: d3 c4 j3 ] ;W[dq] ;B[cp] ;W[iq] ;B[if]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w shape seems flat to me, am I really perciecing it that wrong? Ten [?\]: Guess something like this would follow Ootakamoku [2d\]: like w could become heavy very easily Veivi [-\]: something about it screams "dame" to me :) Ten [?\]: Maybe white is playable, but this for sure isn't what I was looking for in the game ]) (;W[fn] ;B[fm]C[Ten [?\]: This is real scary for white Ootakamoku [2d\]: right... Ootakamoku [2d\]: uh Ootakamoku [2d\]: silly me ]))) (;B[rg] (;W[rd] ;B[sf]) (;W[re] ;B[qg] ;W[od] ;B[mc]C[Ten [?\]: This wasn't good enough? Ootakamoku [2d\]: I kept wonderinfg about s12 aji ] ;W[rh] ;B[sg]C[Ten [?\]: Could be something, but this early in the game it's scary for white to get in Ootakamoku [2d\]: now if w moves out with o15.. ] ;W[ne] ;B[ob]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok ] ;W[pc] ;B[pb] ;W[qb] ;B[jc]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: wasnt sure I could n17, which is why I didnt choose this Ten [?\]: If it's a fight on the right side, black should be happy Ootakamoku [2d\]: but I guess the s12 is no problem for now Ten [?\]: Right ]))) (;B[rf]C[Ten [?\]: So like this? ikuy [3d\]: I thought p12 better? Veivi [-\]: for example this ] ;W[oh] ;B[nf]C[Ten [?\]: Yeah, black could play this too Ten [?\]: There's probably many ideas that can work for black Veivi [-\]: i just think P13 is not that interesting with F16 stone chilling there Ten [?\]: But I don't think p13 is a particularly problematic move in itself Ten [?\]: The idea may be problematic, who knows Ten [?\]: The move, no problem ])) (;B[oq] ;W[sq] (;B[or] ;W[rp] ;B[no]C[Ten [?\]: I expected this way Ootakamoku [2d\]: skip p2? ] ;W[ip]C[Ten [?\]: Something to this extent, I guess ]) (;B[no]C[Ten [?\]: Not much of a difference? Ootakamoku [2d\]: that way I can r6 Ten [?\]: But it's gote Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok ]))) (;B[pq])))