(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Finnish8d]PB[Klippan]BR[5d]DT[2015-09-27]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Klippan [5d?\]: have a nice game
Finnish8d [-\]: ok have a nice game ^^
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;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dq]
;B[do]
;W[dm]
;B[fo]
;W[fq]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]
;B[cp]
;W[er]
;B[cm]
;W[dl]
;B[cl]
;W[ck]
;B[bk]
;W[bj]C[Ten [?\]: Been like 5 years since I last saw this :)
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;B[cj]
;W[dk]
;B[bi]
(;W[cn]C[Ten [?\]: I can totally see Cornel now :D
Klippan [5d?\]: i had no intention to back down from a fight
Finnish8d [-\]: I was also in this one, but thought about Cornel factor, so I picked the other way immediately :P
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;B[bm]
;W[dj]
;B[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Hehe I am trying hard :P
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;W[dn]
;B[en]
;W[hk]C[Ten [?\]: Is this normal? I've no idea
Finnish8d [-\]: you mean the whole thing?
Ten [?\]: I mean black e6 there
Ten [?\]: I almost feel like connecting under, but then I wonder if it's too passive
Ten [?\]: I guess cutting is fine
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah no guess not :P
Ten [?\]: Hehe, right
Ten [?\]: So I wonder if h7 is correct here, it feels a bit thin
Ten [?\]: Hmm, I guess it's not too bad
]
;B[hm]
(;W[jl]
;B[jn]C[Ten [?\]: Shape-wise there's plenty weird here
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;W[eh]LB[hp:A]C[Ten [?\]: If it's me, I'd almost play A here too :D
Ten [?\]: Really dislike that black shape
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;B[ik]
;W[il]
;B[hl]
;W[hj]
;B[ii]
;W[ij]
;B[jk]
;W[kl]
;B[jj]
;W[ji]
;B[lk]
(;W[kn]
;B[ko]
;W[ml]
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;W[jh]
;B[ln]
;W[km]
;B[lo]
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;B[nh]
;W[jo]
;B[jp]
;W[io]
;B[ip]
;W[ho]
;B[hp]C[Finnish8d [-\]: missing that peep is silly :P
Ten [?\]: Which one?
Finnish8d [-\]: ah later, that E4
Ten [?\]: Ah, it made a difference?
Finnish8d [-\]: I plan to get A7 and then B13 to attack the left
Finnish8d [-\]: so with E4, b has to make eyes in the corner
Ten [?\]: Ah, I see
Finnish8d [-\]: my rough reading
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;W[gp]
;B[go]
;W[in]
;B[im]
;W[jm]
;B[hn]
;W[jn]
;B[fm]
;W[fk]
(;B[br]C[Finnish8d [-\]: here
Ten [?\]: Black should also play it immediately?
Finnish8d [-\]: they are all wrong then
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;W[bs]
;B[ep]
(;W[pi]LB[oj:A]C[Ten [?\]: And black probably got a bit further ahead here with this shape
Ten [?\]: Just A instead, then, has to be?
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;B[nj]
;W[mk]
;B[mi]
;W[oi]
;B[ni]C[Finnish8d [-\]: well I thought at least Q10
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;W[ol]
;B[pj]
;W[oj]
;B[nk]C[Ten [?\]: To sacrifice is to resign, huh...
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;W[mn]
;B[ok]C[Finnish8d [-\]: that was another plan
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(;W[mo]C[Finnish8d [-\]: hehe didn't consider that
Finnish8d [-\]: b keima maybe?
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(;B[mp]
;W[np]
;B[lq]
;W[mq]
;B[lp]
;W[oo]
;B[nq]
;W[oq]
;B[mr]
;W[op]
;B[pl]
;W[po]
;B[or]
;W[pr]C[Ten [?\]: To me, at this point, the game was won for black
Klippan [5d?\]: K17 better?
]
(;B[qj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Finnish8d [-\]: but R10 is slow right?
Ten [?\]: And with r10, now it's within 10 points, so there can be complications
Ten [?\]: Hmm, what do you mean?
Namii [6d\]: Well, can black answer e.g. R16 with R17
Ten [?\]: I'll do it anyday
]
(;W[qc]C[Namii [6d\]: Well, with black C, white seems to actually have more space
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;B[qd]
;W[pc]
;B[nc]
;W[nb]
(;B[cf]LB[fc:B][bn:A]C[Ten [?\]: Is white A sente against the corner group?
Namii [6d\]: R17 makes sense, yes, the reason I suggested R16 was the ideology that white could force black to make the wrong decision
Namii [6d\]: but that requires some more planning & reading than I was prepared to do here :P
Ten [?\]: Klippan, did you think about the A factor here?
Klippan [5d?\]: i thought if that happens, i should have some counterplay against the bottom white group
Klippan [5d?\]: that was the abstract thought
Klippan [5d?\]: i thought neither can kill the other, but can get into trouble if try :)
Ten [?\]: The practical thought is that unless white A is sente against the corner, c14 is almost worthless :)
Finnish8d [-\]: A is likely sente, yes
Ten [?\]: If not for eye concerns, black should always play B rather than c14
Ten [?\]: I guess c14 is acceptable too then :)
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;W[df]
;B[ce]
;W[de]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[mc]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[qf]
;W[jc]
;B[cd]
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;B[bc]
;W[bb]
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;W[eg]
;B[hc]
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;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[hd]
;W[mb]
;B[fc]
;W[eb]
;B[lb]
(;W[lc]C[Ten [?\]: So then there's jsut the last thing here left
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(;B[ld]
;W[kc]C[Ten [?\]: I wonder if we'd move to review around here?
Klippan [5d?\]: sure
Finnish8d [-\]: sure
Klippan [5d?\]: the horses are all runaways
Finnish8d [-\]: Alright, your control Antti ^^
Ten [?\]: I guess we'd have a white win of like 10 points like this
Ten [?\]: What if black resisted?
Ten [?\]: I'm pretty confident that this way white will have enough
Ten [?\]: Sente right now is huge
Klippan [5d?\]: center
Ten [?\]: Ok, so after all we had a close game going on then
Mokki [2d\]: Can F16 and connecting be considerwd miai and b just play on right side?
Ten [?\]: Not quite in this case
]
(;B[ke]
;W[ge]C[Ten [?\]: Hmm, might not be that huge
Ten [?\]: Maybe it's still a close one
Finnish8d [-\]: hehe w cannot be good after right side :P
Klippan [5d?\]: is L15 even neccessary
Ten [?\]: But black did pass twice
])
(;B[rm]C[Klippan [5d?\]: i mean, can play something that indirectly makes it less severe
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;W[ke]C[Klippan [5d?\]: in the cneter
])
(;B[ge])
(;B[gf]
;W[hh]LB[ke:A]C[Mokki [2d\]: G14 and then right side
Ten [?\]: Well, possibly, though we're gambling on a lot here then
Ten [?\]: Moves around A are quite big for the centre black territory, anyway
Mokki [2d\]: Ok. So better to play like this is b thinks he is behind?
Ten [?\]: So unless black has a really good sequence to pull out in the lower right corner, I'd prefer the thick way
Ten [?\]: I can't make hypotheses like "I'm behind so I should go all-out", because I can't read that far
Ten [?\]: I can just play what is efficient on territory
Ten [?\]: (And thick shape-wise)
Mokki [2d\]: Ok
Ten [?\]: Ok, two hours are done, shall we finish here?
Finnish8d [-\]: sure ^^
Ten [?\]: I can upload the sgf
Finnish8d [-\]: Thanks for the commentary ^^
Klippan [5d?\]: alright
Klippan [5d?\]: thanks
]
;B[fd]C[Ten [?\]: So this again
Ten [?\]: Hmm, ok, accepted
Ten [?\]: Not sure still if I'd do f16, but it won't lose
Finnish8d [-\]: ^^  ok
]
;W[ke]LB[hc:A][qm:B]TR[me][lf][mf][mg][ng]C[Klippan [5d?\]: this was my idea anyway
Ten [?\]: This way black has to watch out for the A group, and also loses at least the marked intersections in sente
Ten [?\]: Possibly more
Ten [?\]: To me, this way is more scary
Ten [?\]: Also, white will get sente from here now
Klippan [5d?\]: but w center also smaller
Ten [?\]: But instead you let white get the big move at around B
Ten [?\]: Unless if black can play tenuki now
Ten [?\]: Maybe he can, with the emergency eye at k18
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
])
(;B[qn]
;W[ke]
;B[gf]LB[kg:B][hh:A]C[Ten [?\]: Now white won't play A, but something like B instead
Ten [?\]: That makes black's situation a lot scarier
Mokki [2d\]: I mean after the exchange
]))
(;B[kc]
;W[ld]
;B[jb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: oh w wins? I feel like I messed up huge on the right side
Ten [?\]: Black r10 almost lost a full move
Ten [?\]: M16 lost another
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah and I plan to atari and jump L14
]
;W[kd]
;B[kb]
(;W[lf]
;B[me]C[Finnish8d [-\]: L14 :P
])
(;W[kf]C[Klippan [5d?\]: I thought P16 cut worked for w
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;B[jg]C[Finnish8d [-\]: no it doesn't work right away :P
Ten [?\]: To me white m17 is overplay, saying that white thinks he will lose otherwise
Ten [?\]: Though I must say I didn't read all this out
Finnish8d [-\]: me neither :P
Ten [?\]: But as for now, p16 doesn't work
Finnish8d [-\]: I felt like w has some sentes in the centre
Ten [?\]: Towards p16, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Ten [?\]: But also j11 will be a bother
Finnish8d [-\]: right
Ten [?\]: Semeai is also pretty impossible with the g16 situation like that
])))
(;W[kb]
;B[ld]
;W[la]
;B[gf]
;W[hh]
(;B[fd])
(;B[qn]
;W[qo]
;B[fd]
;W[cg]
;B[bg]
;W[dh]
;B[bf]
;W[rn]
;B[ec]
;W[db]
;B[ps]
;W[qs]
;B[os]
;W[qr]
;B[rm]
;W[qm]
;B[ql]
;W[hq]
;B[iq]
;W[hr]
;B[ir]C[Finnish8d [-\]: I also didn't know if b will run to R4 earlier to ko in that corner
Ten [?\]: I thought it'll be somethingl ike this
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;W[kd]
;B[ke]
;W[lc]
;B[le]
;W[kg]
;B[lg]C[Ten [?\]: This should be a tight black win
Ten [?\]: Within 5
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok, after right side w supposes to be in a tough situation
Ten [?\]: Yeah
])))
(;B[fc]
;W[bn]C[Klippan [5d?\]: for example, if B E3 here
]
;B[eq]LB[cf:A][am:B]C[Ten [?\]: Yeah, that's the one
Klippan [5d?\]: does he live in sente
Finnish8d [-\]: sente= b cannot afford w to get A7, to me
Klippan [5d?\]: thought so
Finnish8d [-\]: Ah this way
Ten [?\]: Jeff, but the white corner has the problem too, right
Ten [?\]: For the time being, A and B are interchangeable
Ten [?\]: White has to defend the corner now, righT?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah ok
Ten [?\]: My meaning is, I can afford to play black A, but only after white has spent the time to play b6
Finnish8d [-\]: Yeah I get you ^^
]
;W[hq]
;B[ir]C[Ten [?\]: It does seem like white is scared too
Ten [?\]: Or, hmm
Ten [?\]: Is he
Ten [?\]: Black also has a shape problem with j3...
Ten [?\]: Ok, not much to say
]))
(;W[qd]
;B[qc]
;W[qe]
;B[pc]C[Ten [?\]: What's the shape here again?
Namii [6d\]: I guess something like p14 o15 
Namii [6d\]: seems a bit difficult afterall
Namii [6d\]: well, more space doesn't mean life I guess :)
Ten [?\]: Not something I'd try to complicate the game
Namii [6d\]: yep
Namii [6d\]: for the future though if white gets some stones above
Ten [?\]: Yeah, when you see a move like r10, the first impression isn't to fight it back, but just let black have what he wants :)
]))
(;B[qf]LB[qj:C][pk:D][qm:A][qp:B]C[Ten [?\]: More like around here?
Finnish8d [-\]: yes
Klippan [5d?\]: i played R10 to solidify the position as "slightly favourable" instead of bigger swings
Finnish8d [-\]: exact spot I want ^^
Ten [?\]: Black A is supposed to be sente against the corner
Ten [?\]: Threatening B etc.
Ten [?\]: Even with the C-D exchange, with black A there, white should have no space for life
Ten [?\]: And even if white does find the space, well, this way is probably still better
Ten [?\]: Since that means the corner and upper side is going to be black
]))
(;B[mq]C[Ten [?\]: Yeah, I thought so
]
;W[nq]C[Ten [?\]: Attach?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah and ko it
]
;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[lq]C[Finnish8d [-\]: w has no choice now
Finnish8d [-\]: maybe keima instead of N5
]
;W[op]
;B[oq]
;W[no]
;B[nr]LB[oo:A]C[Ten [?\]: Black is going to play A soon too, though
Finnish8d [-\]: but no idea what else w can do 
Ten [?\]: Yeah
]
;W[or]C[Klippan [5d?\]: yeah looks like lalalala-ko
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;B[np]C[Ten [?\]: This is impossible, right?
Ten [?\]: White has no threats
Ten [?\]: Not even one
Finnish8d [-\]: right, so plan to think when it comes to ko
Finnish8d [-\]: before P2 :P
]))
(;W[np]LB[lm:A]C[Ten [?\]: I expected that, yeah
Finnish8d [-\]: but also shape problem
Klippan [5d?\]: yeah i thought this for sure
Ten [?\]: This seems harder for black to decide
Ten [?\]: A problem exists, but black also has to worry about the timing
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah
Klippan [5d?\]: yea
Ten [?\]: Probably this is a longer game
Ten [?\]: Can't think of a good black move immediately
]))
(;W[pj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but sure this shape is too bad :P
Ten [?\]: Ok, yeah, this holds too
]))
(;B[ep]TR[jm][in][jn][ho][io][jo]C[Ten [?\]: Yeah, actually white has no move here either
Finnish8d [-\]: right, just tenuki like the game then
Finnish8d [-\]: I thought I would get the peep
Ten [?\]: So probably all that is not worth it, right?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah I know :P
]
;W[br]C[Finnish8d [-\]: true, so I actually cannot get it :P
]))
(;W[ll]C[Ten [?\]: If pushing?
Finnish8d [-\]: b bamboo I think
]
;B[lj]
;W[ln]C[Ten [?\]: And then jumping, seems like
Finnish8d [-\]: ok, I am not sure if b will do J12 now
Finnish8d [-\]: what I fear about :P
]
;B[ih]
;W[ho]C[Ten [?\]: Feels scary
Ten [?\]: Hmm, but also something for white around g9 huh
Finnish8d [-\]: H6?
Finnish8d [-\]: then that F10?
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah both have problems
]
;B[hn]
;W[io]C[Finnish8d [-\]: F10 is no problem?
Finnish8d [-\]: ok : )
]
;B[fj]
;W[fk]C[Ten [?\]: Black also has the cut left at g6, so I thought the white shape holds for now
Finnish8d [-\]: G6 is not a cut right?
Ten [?\]: If black does g9, then it is
Finnish8d [-\]: ah I see, that is not the plan yet :P
Ten [?\]: There's something else for f10?
Finnish8d [-\]: probably
Finnish8d [-\]: nothing like this, looks like
Ten [?\]: Hmm, not following right now
Ten [?\]: Ok
Ten [?\]: It seems like black would have to defend first
]))
(;W[eh]C[Ten [?\]: What would black do now?
Klippan [5d?\]: was thinking of moves like K8 and H3
Klippan [5d?\]: to me it was the only move
Klippan [5d?\]: though what do i know :D
Ten [?\]: "The only move" is pretty strong :)
Ten [?\]: I mean, you didn't consider one-space jump?
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
Ten [?\]: This situation is easy enough for me
]
(;B[hq]
;W[gp]C[Klippan [5d?\]: but didnt have to think too long
Ten [?\]: Oh, really?
Ten [?\]: H3 could be a quick game over
Finnish8d [-\]: w is alive there ^^
Ten [?\]: Yeah, anytime
])
(;B[jl]
;W[jj]TR[jj][jl]C[Finnish8d [-\]: so ok, my keima created a problem myself :P
Ten [?\]: And I think white prefers these two moves over that what we had in the game
Ten [?\]: Since now it's white weak and white getting upper-side presence
])
(;B[hp]LB[gr:A]C[Ten [?\]: Nice, thick shape
Klippan [5d?\]: i felt like white can just pressure me a lot more if i play anywhere lowewr than H7
Ten [?\]: Much later in the game, black A
Ten [?\]: Ah, ok
Ten [?\]: Then you just have to watch the shape afterwards
])))
(;W[bl]
;B[aj]
;W[cn]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]
;B[al]
;W[dn]
;B[en]C[Ten [?\]: This has been in pro games, at least
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;AW[dj]AB[ci]TR[ci][dj][al][bn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: Aha ok I see
Ten [?\]: So there's one plus for white and one minus too
]))
