(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]
GN[Finnish Women’s Championship round 2]PW[Sari Kohonen]PB[Suvi Rovio]WR[3k]BR[2d]DT[2014-08-16]EV[Finnish Women’s Championship round 2]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Arto "Meijin" Heikkinen, egf 2 dän]C[NSM2014a [?\]: lounastauko on vielä kesken. ollaan vähän myöhässä aikataulusta
NSM2014a [?\]: kakkospöydän kirjaaja "Doku Veivi" siemailee vieressäni punaviiniä
NSM2014a [?\]: http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/NSM2014tulokset
MacGyver [?\]: Eli sitten on dokumentoinnit kunnossa
NSM2014a [?\]: juu
NSM2014a [?\]: tää peli taitaa olla sari vs suvi
MacGyver [?\]: nonii
MacGyver [?\]: mikäs se toinen?
NSM2014a [?\]: ei mitää tietoo
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;B[pq]
;W[cd]
;B[pc]C[MacGyver [?\]: tuollA tuloksissa oli muutamia kummallisuuksia
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;W[dq]
;B[ed]C[Tien [-\]: Josekia valitaan pitkaan ja hartaasti?
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;W[hd]C[Tien [-\]: Guess this chat just turned into English
MacGyver [?\]: finglish
Muttley [2k\]: depends on you, of course you can chat in Finnish :)
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;B[eg]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: nah, i think all english speaking viewers should leave. right, tien?
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;W[cg]C[Tien [-\]: Good idea, let's get out
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;B[cc]
;W[bc]
;B[dc]
;W[be]
;B[kd]
;W[fe]
;B[ee]C[Tien [-\]: Looks like the first exchange ends in black's favour
oliolioli [3k\]: This could be quite instructive
Pawsaur [8k\]: Missäs nää pelataan?
MacGyver [?\]: Espoossa
MacGyver [?\]: Saloilla
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;W[dh]
;B[ff]C[Pawsaur [8k\]: Onks mones kierros?
MacGyver [?\]: 2.
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;W[ge]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: ouch
Prodigious [-\]: a bit on the heavy side
Tien [-\]: Still easy for black to mess up, though
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;B[hg]C[Prodigious [-\]: yeah, these fights are not trivial
Prodigious [-\]: these sorts of fights i mean
MacGyver [?\]: ;)
oliolioli [3k\]: looks less trivial for white
Prodigious [-\]: arguably
Tien [-\]: Attach at k16 and hope black attacks too hard
oliolioli [3k\]: i was thinking k15
Tien [-\]: Then white has a hard time figuring an answer to black k16
oliolioli [3k\]: k13 or something
Tien [-\]: Then j15 cuts white
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;W[jf]
;B[ie]C[MacGyver [?\]: interesting choice
Daddeldu [2k\]: why is there no time running on both sides?
Muttley [2k\]: it is a relay of a live game
MacGyver [?\]: this is a live game
Muttley [2k\]: the time runs on an actual clock
youoldgods [1d?\]: they are playing in a temporal anamoly
Daddeldu [2k\]: thank you
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;W[pe]C[Muttley [2k\]: ok go on, L17 now
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;B[nd]C[MacGyver [?\]: they don't believe in time in Finland
youoldgods [1d?\]: this is not good
youoldgods [1d?\]: ungood, you might say
Muttley [2k\]: though to be fair, K18 is more consistent
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;W[qc]
;B[qb]
;W[qd]
;B[ob]
;W[ne]
;B[me]
;W[nf]
;B[mf]C[oliolioli [3k\]: elephant sytle?
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;W[ng]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: nova.gs style will try to live with h16 soon
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;B[qn]
;W[mg]
;B[id]C[Ananda [1k\]: all ahi vaporized
Ananda [1k\]: aji*
Tien [-\]: And a 50-point territory to boot
MacGyver [?\]: not bad
youoldgods [1d?\]: are there really so few female dans in finland that they have to pair them with kyus?
youoldgods [1d?\]: please, starting teaching go to your sisters and girlfriends
NSM2014a [?\]: exactly one in thia tournament
Ananda [1k\]: not an easy task
NSM2014a [?\]: *this
oliolioli [3k\]: I tried to teach my mother
youoldgods [1d?\]: that's too bad. finland is strong, needs strong women playing, too
oliolioli [3k\]: she is very weak
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;W[kq]
;B[co]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: at least you tried :-)
Ootakamoku [-\]: would like high approach for balance
Ootakamoku [-\]: probably wont make much difference
Ananda [1k\]: beacause cannot even build on the outside
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;W[cp]
;B[do]
;W[fp]
;B[ck]
;W[qk]
;B[mq]
;W[ko]
;B[pj]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: is SD a common typical for tournaments in finland?
Tien [-\]: It's difficult to find even a single black mistake so far
youoldgods [1d?\]: <st>a common</st>
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;W[pk]
;B[oj]C[NSM2014a [?\]: 45 min basic time + 20s fischer
youoldgods [1d?\]: ahh, okay. 
youoldgods [1d?\]: ty
NSM2014a [?\]: np
sestir [3d\]: Was F14 slow? I considered H14 for that move, maybe worse.
Tien [-\]: H14 may have been better, but I've no idea by how much
sestir [3d\]: thanks ^^
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;W[qi]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: h14 looks a little thin to me
youoldgods [1d?\]: but i am weak
Tien [-\]: Yes, that thinness would be the issue
Tien [-\]: White wouldn't be able to make use of it immediately, because white would be the weaker party
Tien [-\]: But in the exchange that follows h14, black has to be careful that he can fix her shape efficiently
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;B[om]C[Tien [-\]: *she
youoldgods [1d?\]: ty for the comments
Ananda [1k\]: g5 shoulder hit is ok in this shape?
Tien [-\]: J5 is the reduction point
pupukani [1d\]: is j3 overplay?
youoldgods [1d?\]: j3 is an invasion, j5 is a reduction
youoldgods [1d?\]: depends on what you need
Ananda [1k\]: and w responds to h3 ?
pupukani [1d\]: j3 j5 e3
Ootakamoku [-\]: o8
Ootakamoku [-\]: need more points, might aswell go for large scale
Ootakamoku [-\]: maybe probe corner first tho?
sestir [3d\]: I would play J3 as black before I got territory in the corner because that might get wasted in case of a fight
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;W[nl]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: stop helping the players, oootaku
youoldgods [1d?\]: was p7 black's first mistake?
Ananda [1k\]: p9 maybe better
Ootakamoku [-\]: if nothing else if feels inconsistant
Ananda [1k\]: or just n10 
Nam [3k\]: hi guys
Nam [3k\]: what is this?
youoldgods [1d?\]: finnish women's championship
Nam [3k\]: so what the country got it? :)
Nam [3k\]: where :)
youoldgods [1d?\]: umm, finland?
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;B[kj]C[Nam [3k\]: oh ty
ponno [2d?\]: lol
youoldgods [1d?\]: finnish as in "of finland"
NSM2014a [?\]: yea something like that
herissondu [4d\]: little jump
Nam [3k\]: thx :)
Tien [-\]: Feels like black started thinking too deep
]
;W[mj]C[Ananda [1k\]: donation?
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;B[mi]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: appears so
youoldgods [1d?\]: black will probably just content herself with m13 afterward. she is ahead in points, no need to fight
Ananda [1k\]: r11 n10 was honte no?
Tien [-\]: Yes, seems black decided to compromise to avoid complications
Tien [-\]: But this kind of a compromise may cost ten points
Tien [-\]: Let white capture p10 in sente, followed by white f6, and the game gets surprisingly close again
]
;W[ni]
;B[nj]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: this dont work..
Ootakamoku [-\]: w n9
Ootakamoku [-\]: no way that thingie lives inside
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;W[mk]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: i doubt that's her intention
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;B[li]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: after w o12, b almost want to lpe m11 stones
Ootakamoku [-\]: would be rathar annoying if they get cut off
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;W[oi]
;B[lg]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: let's see if white finds tien's f6
Ootakamoku [-\]: I would like like r3
Ootakamoku [-\]: but I guess tiens f6 is the direction to go
Tien [-\]: f6 is positively huge
]
;W[qq]C[Tien [-\]: Nobody cares if there's something at r3
MacGyver [?\]: :)
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;B[qp]C[Ananda [1k\]: could have f6 instead of p11 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: ananda, p11 is 10 point reverse sente or something
Ootakamoku [-\]: plus ton of extra aji which might come into play
youoldgods [1d?\]: ananda, no
Tien [-\]: Black answered p11, didn't she
]
;W[pr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: ya, so was sente
Ootakamoku [-\]: if b protects the corner, I would want tenuki
Ootakamoku [-\]: if doesnt protect corner then continue with life
Ananda [1k\]: maybe i am thinking to much too :)
]
;B[oq]C[youoldgods [1d?\]: i hate situations like these. i get nervous and play poorly :-(
Ootakamoku [-\]: I guess could tenuki now too, tho now there is tripod life, and maybe there is some weakneses in b shape on the outside after that
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;W[rq]
;B[or]C[Prodigious [-\]: f6 is rather big, as tien pointed out
Prodigious [-\]: the players should be scrambling to get there first
]
;W[rp]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: oops
Arhiman [5d\]: ???
MacGyver [?\]: uh oh
NSM2014a [?\]: w want more
Nam [3k\]: :)))
Ootakamoku [-\]: so it died instead
Ootakamoku [-\]: or is it ko now?
Nam [3k\]: wrong?
Tien [-\]: That's called a ko
Arhiman [5d\]: well s5 is ko
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;B[ro]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: nam, without s4 s5 exchange, it lives in corner unconditionally
Ootakamoku [-\]: if you push and get blocked, no more uncodntinal life
Prodigious [-\]: wastes a crucial liberty
Foxhound [-\]: what was the right move?
Prodigious [-\]: just r1
Ootakamoku [-\]: r1 directly
Arhiman [5d\]: just r1
Nam [3k\]: if is me ill use r1
Ootakamoku [-\]: s4 is one of those, I know its wrong, not based on any reading
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;W[po]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: just remember it
Arhiman [5d\]: r2 works ?
Nam [3k\]: yup r2 sry :)
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;B[pp]C[Nam [3k\]: @@
Nam [3k\]: so can b do r2 r5 s6?
Ootakamoku [-\]: s7 problably, not s6
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;W[pn]C[Ananda [1k\]: r2 for w to live? i didnt understand
Tien [-\]: Resign mode activated
]
;B[pm]C[sestir [3d\]: r1 to live, r2 for b to kill
MacGyver [?\]: r1 ko
Nam [3k\]: r1 not ko lol
Ootakamoku [-\]: its ko
sestir [3d\]: yes it is
]
;W[no]C[snowman [-\]: tsk tsk
MacGyver [?\]: r1 t2
Nam [3k\]: ^^
]
;B[qr]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r1 t2 s2 p1 
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;W[nn]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: b gets sente
Nam [3k\]: yup :) like it
]
;B[hp]C[Namii [7d\]: Not enough blood
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;W[dl]
;B[cl]
;W[rr]
;B[ps]
;W[qo]C[Prodigious [-\]: h4, wow
brembrem [4k\]: just s7
brembrem [4k\]: wrong?
NSM2014a [?\]: shes got kiai
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;B[rm]C[brembrem [4k\]: kiai? whats that?
grumpyjoe [-\]: is go very popular in finland?
Nam [3k\]: Namii are you pro?
NSM2014a [?\]: fighting spirit
Prodigious [-\]: yes, namii is a pro
NSM2014a [?\]: Nami is semi pro
Nam [3k\]: oh nice
NSM2014a [?\]: europro
Ootakamoku [-\]: europoro
manul [6k?\]: semi-euro-pro = asian 10 kyu %)
manul [6k?\]: *pro-kyu
Ootakamoku [-\]: winning plan for w, kill h4
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;W[go]C[Nam [3k\]: yup
]
;B[jp]C[Tien [-\]: k4 l4 j6, game over then?
Prodigious [-\]: more or less
]
;W[kp]
;B[in]C[Namii [7d\]: we want more
NSM2014a [?\]: more blood onegaissimas
NSM2014a [?\]: w resigns
brembrem [4k\]: why
NSM2014a [?\]: thx for kibiz. next round in 2 hours
youoldgods [1d?\]: ty
NSM2014a [?\]: b too good
brembrem [4k\]: rovio bird wins 
Tien [-\]: That's just bad :)
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