(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50] PW[Kari Visala]PB[Timo Puha]WR[2d]BR[3d]DT[2004-09-19]EV[Finnish Championship qualifications]RO[playoff]PC[Tampere]SO[KGS live transcript]RE[W+16.50] ;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[pd]CR[pd] ;B[qq]CR[qq] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[jj]CR[jj] ;W[jp]CR[jp] ;B[cf]CR[cf] ;W[fc]CR[fc] ;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[cj]CR[cj] ;B[cl]CR[cl]C[bourgeois [2d?\]: infoa? Cuda [5k\]: \\o/ Zuvi [1k\]: Timo Puha mustilla, Kari Visala valkeilla. Zuvi [1k\]: Kirjaus saattaa tulla vahan patkittain, kun ei viitti joka siirron valilla juosta tanne kirjaamaan. Jonii [7k\]: Pelaaks ne millä nickeillä? Jonii [7k\]: ^^ Zuvi [1k\]: Molemmat pelaa lahinna igs:ssa. Jonii [7k\]: Ai Mokki [2d\]: en milään olis arvannut timon pelaavan 3-3 avausta ;) Jonii [7k\]: Kui? Mokki [2d\]: huomaa hymiö Zuvi [1k\]: Jonii, se on sen yleinen avaus. :) Jonii [7k\]: Mietinki DangoMouse [2k\]: wow, interesting fuseki (^_^) Jonii [7k\]: Mutta piti varmistaa Jonii [7k\]: ^^ Zuvi [1k\]: Dango, Timo often plays that :) Zuvi [1k\]: Timo Puha 3-dan is playing black, Kari Visala 2-dan is white. DangoMouse [2k\]: thanks Zuvi [1k\]: We are doing this the hardest way - the game recording is done with two kifu papers and every now and then I'll get one and click the moves here Zuvi [1k\]: So they won't be exactly realtime ] ;W[ce]CR[ce] ;B[df]CR[df] ;W[ej]CR[ej] ;B[el]CR[el] ;W[ff]CR[ff] ;B[cc]CR[cc] ;W[dc]CR[dc] ;B[be]CR[be] ;W[cd]CR[cd] ;B[bd]CR[bd] ;W[bc]CR[bc]C[pulloPsika [?\]: onko tässä joku SM-karsintoihin liittyvä kyseessä? furr [?\]: jep furr [?\]: b sarjaan furr [?\]: uups a sarjaan pulloPsika [?\]: B-sarjapaikka.. just. kiitos pulloPsika [?\]: ok. furr [?\]: jantunen-virtanen on b sarjaan pulloPsika [?\]: jes pulloPsika [?\]: vielä tohtisin udella, että mitkä ovat pelaajien miettimisajat DangoMouse [2k\]: i thought w would b15 after c17 DangoMouse [2k\]: maybe the tengen stone is a worry for him? Zuvi [1k\]: 1 hour main time and canadian byo-yomi 25 stones in 5 minutes. pulloPsika [?\]: thx Z Jonii [7k\]: pulloPsika... Kukas nää olet? :o Namii [-\]: Jonii Namii [-\]: Jos et menny Ranmaan niin tuut sit pelaa mun kanssa Jonii [7k\]: Kattelen tätä välissä. Ranma o semmone sarja ettei sitä pysty katsoo putkee isompia eriä ^^ Namii [-\]: pelii Jonii [7k\]: Ei! Namii [-\]: mä en pystys kattoo shemale-sarjaa edes 5min Jonii [7k\]: Se ei ole shemale :o ] ;B[fg]CR[fg]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Puhukaa pelin ulkopuoliset asiat mieluummin muualla, jos k�y Jonii [7k\]: Nih, tai sit Namii ois vaa hiljaa :/ Vilzu [1d\]: E13 ] ;W[bg]CR[bg]C[myao [9d?\]: ?? myao [9d?\]: who vs who? furr [?\]: Timo Puha 3-dan is playing black, Kari Visala 2-dan is white. myao [9d?\]: which 5 players already in top group A? Zuvi [1k\]: From the qualifying tournament (results: http://www.suomigo.net/Wiki.jsp?page=SM2004KarsintaTulokset) Kare Jantunen Zuvi [1k\]: Then there are players who did well last year myao [9d?\]: who is current title holder? myao [9d?\]: vesa?? furr [?\]: yes Zuvi [1k\]: Vesa Laatikainen 5 dan myao [9d?\]: hoho myao [9d?\]: is antti 16 years in top A?? Zuvi [1k\]: Antti is in group B Zuvi [1k\]: Only the two best from the qualifying tournament go to the group A myao [9d?\]: mhm..... myao [9d?\]: b14 now, think what myao [9d?\]: to slow Zuvi [1k\]: There are Vesa Laatikainen 5 dan, Matti Siivola 5 dan, Lauri Paatero 3 dan, Kare Jantunen 3 dan and Otso Alanko 1 dan Zuvi [1k\]: In group A Zuvi [1k\]: And then the winner from this game Olmi [1d\]: Tsau ] ;B[bf]CR[bf] ;W[bl]CR[bl]C[bourgeois [2d?\]: the game is taking place in another room so there will be some delay ] ;B[bm]CR[bm]C[myao [9d?\]: finland has NO 4d? myao [9d?\]: :> ] ;W[ck]CR[ck]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Not anymore and not yet :-) Zuvi [1k\]: Olli Lounela was 4 dan but he plays as 3-dan nowadays Kare [5d?\]: I'm working on it... :) myao [9d?\]: hoho kare myao [9d?\]: r u reg. to tampere? Kare [5d?\]: yes Kare [5d?\]: your coming? myao [9d?\]: maybe myao [9d?\]: i am a poor student, not sure. myao [9d?\]: but yr prizamoney is attractive:> ] ;B[dl]CR[dl]C[Zuvi [1k\]: And it may be more than that :) Kare [5d?\]: hey, that prize money is for my poor student life :) Zuvi [1k\]: Kare, you've won enough finnish tournaments, haven't you :-) deft [4d\]: looks like you might have to fight for it, Kare :) myao [9d?\]: hoho myao [9d?\]: my philosophy in go=to win WITHOUT fighting :>>>>>>> Zuvi [1k\]: Deft, you should come too :) deft [4d\]: sorry, I am very busy at the moment... can't go to many tournaments Zuvi [1k\]: Skip the others and come to Finland :) ZeroKun [-\]: pay for my tickets and ill come :) deft [4d\]: haha:) myao [9d?\]: 0kun? i will pay yr food also:> ZeroKun [-\]: heh myao [9d?\]: and yr pocketmoney ZeroKun [-\]: you wouldnt want to do that :P myao [9d?\]: and yr entertainment deft [4d\]: I will only go to Göteborg this fall I think -- it's the closest.. Zuvi [1k\]: deft, :( Trumelunki [4d\]: E13 or not to E13? deft [4d\]: maybe next year :) ZeroKun [-\]: after i finish school, if i have the money and time i will go to china with you guys Kare [5d?\]: see, now you made Suvi cry... ZeroKun [-\]: lol myao [9d?\]: good, =kun deft [4d\]: :( myao [9d?\]: by the way, i can promote for göteborg open this fall myao [9d?\]: baoyun 2p will play a blindgo match with myao [9d?\]: macfadyen 6d myao [9d?\]: and catalin tanaru commmenting!!!!!!!! Zuvi [1k\]: Nice myao [9d?\]: baoyun (eyes covered) vs macfaadyen UK Mokki [2d\]: I think I'll ask my family to pay the trip to china as a graduation gift :) ZeroKun [-\]: lol myao [9d?\]: mokki? u r very wise. Trumelunki [4d\]: Pretty cool idea Mokki fear [-\]: ;D sika2 [?\]: lag.. Zuvi [1k\]: Time used: Kari Visala (white) 29 min, Timo Puha (black) 21 min Zuvi [1k\]: Game time is 1 hours each and canadian byo-yomi 25 stones in 5 minutes. Zuvi [1k\]: -s Kare [5d?\]: What's up with the other game? Zuvi [1k\]: Let's see.. Zuvi [1k\]: They've played 40 moves Zuvi [1k\]: Markku Jantunen 2 dan has used 25 minutes, Jaakko Virtanen 1 kyu 21 minutes TeroM [1d\]: they think too much Zuvi [1k\]: That's the qualifying game for B-group. In B-group will play Antti Tormanen 2 dan, Olli Lounela 3 dan, Antti Holappa 2 dan, Einari Niskanen 1 dan Zuvi [1k\]: And the winner from Markku-Jaakko and the loser from Timo-Kari ] ;W[gf]CR[gf] ;B[eg]CR[eg] ;W[gj]CR[gj]C[goantti [3d\]: I cloned this game in Sauna for speculation sika2 [?\]: A-group is Vesa Laatikainen, Matti Siivola, Lauri Paatero... (and?) TeroM [1d\]: the winner of this game... sika2 [?\]: and two more, isn't it? sika2 [?\]: are the rules explained somewhere, at least in Finnish :) ? sika2 [?\]: oh, Kare jantunen will be there, because he won the qualifier deft [4d\]: F11 F10 H12 ? Zuvi [1k\]: There are Vesa Laatikainen 5 dan, Matti Siivola 5 dan, Lauri Paatero 3 dan, Kare Jantunen 3 dan and Otso Alanko 1 dan Zuvi [1k\]: And the winner of this game sika2 [?\]: right, thanks Zuvi [1k\]: So the three best from last year's a-group, the winner of last year's b group and the two best from qualifying tournament ] ;B[hg]CR[hg] ;W[hi]CR[hi] ;B[hh]CR[hh] ;W[ii]CR[ii] ;B[di]CR[di] ;W[ei]CR[ei] ;B[dh]CR[dh] ;W[ek]CR[ek] ;B[fi]CR[fi]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Time used: white 34mins, black 29mins deft [4d\]: looks like B wasted a stone in this pattern... sika2 [?\]: what is the wasted stone? peeping at the bamboo joint? ] ;W[gl]CR[gl]C[deft [4d\]: well, in the end F11 was necessary but now W does not have to answer sika2 [?\]: ic deft [4d\]: why G8? B can not cut anyway Zuvi [1k\]: Could it be for helping K4 stone? deft [4d\]: yes, but it feels a little bit slow, compared to G3 ] ;B[jg]CR[jg] ;W[pp]CR[pp] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[po]CR[po] ;B[pq]CR[pq]C[Golpher [3k\]: white is going for the center moyo? ] ;W[np]CR[np] ;B[oq]CR[oq] ;W[mn]CR[mn] ;B[qn]CR[qn]C[deft [4d\]: G4/H4 looks big ] ;W[jh]CR[jh]C[deft [4d\]: B is probably not too worried since he has B12 ] ;B[kg]CR[kg] ;W[kh]CR[kh] ;B[lg]CR[lg] ;W[if]CR[if]C[Zuvi [1k\]: white: 39mins, black: 34 mins Zuvi [1k\]: (used) EiNaRi [3d\]: suvi, how are you going to manage byo-yomi? :) ] ;B[hf]CR[hf]C[Kare [5d?\]: e8 must have been overplay ] ;W[ie]CR[ie]C[Kare [5d?\]: (just saw the beginning..) goantti [3d\]: yes, looks a bit like it ] ;B[fe]CR[fe] ;W[ig]CR[ig] ;B[ih]CR[ih]C[sika2 [?\]: cuts all over.. ] ;W[lh]CR[lh] ;B[gc]CR[gc]C[Kare [5d?\]: b will not win this game ] ;W[gd]CR[gd]C[Kare [5d?\]: or maybe, because Kari will go into byoyomi early, and then it gets interesting :) lauri [3d\]: :) ] ;B[hd]CR[hd] ;W[he]CR[he] ;B[ge]CR[ge] ;W[fd]CR[fd]C[lauri [3d\]: I think G17 was overplay, H15 would have been better ] ;B[ee]CR[ee] ;W[gh]CR[gh] ;B[gg]CR[gg] ;W[id]CR[id] ;B[hc]CR[hc] ;W[ic]CR[ic] ;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Getting more difficult now that they're playing faster Zuvi [1k\]: Would help if I was in the same room ;) EiNaRi [3d\]: :) sika2 [?\]: g19 famous tesuji, but does it work here? Zuvi [1k\]: Teemu writes the game down to two papers and I run between the rooms :) EiNaRi [3d\]: :) sika2 [?\]: sound very convenient :) sika2 [?\]: maybe j18 is better, if it leaves not bad aji... goantti [3d\]: lots of bad aji at C17 lauri [3d\]: Black group is already alive, so corner is not that big ] ;W[ga]CR[ga]C[lauri [3d\]: J18 should be sufficient sika2 [?\]: nevertheless, I like that move, g19 sika2 [?\]: (I never get to play it in my games... :-( ) goantti [3d\]: too fancy here, leaves a bit of aji on the right side Zuvi [1k\]: time used: white 47mins, black 42 mins Kare [5d?\]: game over anyway Gardan [1d\]: who will tell it to pleyer Gardan [1d\]: players Kare [5d?\]: Kari knows.. Kare [5d?\]: tell it to Timo Olawi [1d\]: it aint over till its over, boys and girls Teemu [3d\]: But after k11, black attacks three groups at the same time. :) Olawi [1d\]: mr. puha has been known to work miracles ] ;B[nc]CR[nc]C[goantti [3d\]: after K11 black has 2 week groups instead of 1... goantti [3d\]: week=weak ] ;W[cb]CR[cb]C[Gardan [1d\]: hmm .. 25 min to time to leave for opening club door .. hophop goantti [3d\]: I can print this out if I have time to come into the club... sika2 [?\]: aji removal... ] ;B[mh]CR[mh]C[Gardan [1d\]: goantti, that would be very nice and maybe vesa sensei will look thorough goantti [3d\]: crosscut :-) ] ;W[ji]CR[ji]C[Henkipatto [1d\]: chicken :( Gardan [1d\]: Kari avoids problems Kare [5d?\]: Tell us about the other game, please Zuvi [1k\]: Humm.. wait a sec, I'll go and see Zuvi [1k\]: Markku has used 45 mins and Jaakko 47 mins - hard to tell what happens :) Gardan [1d\]: kyu mess ? sika2 [?\]: lots of dead groups? :) Zuvi [1k\]: Markku has a big territory, so does Jaakko - now fighting how big :) Kare [5d?\]: all Jaakko's games are like that thse days.. Zuvi [1k\]: But I haven't been watching and a quick look doesn't tell much Gardan [1d\]: isn't there free dan to use ? ] ;B[kb]CR[kb]C[Zuvi [1k\]: There are me, Teemu and Tuomo watching Zuvi [1k\]: Teemu and Tuomo are recording the games Gardan [1d\]: ach Zuvi [1k\]: You'll see the Markku-Jaakko game later Kare [5d?\]: great EiNaRi [3d\]: oh great :) ] ;W[jb]CR[jb]C[goantti [3d\]: k17 :-p lauri [3d\]: Seem best :) ] ;B[qf]CR[qf]C[Gardan [1d\]: but first we take corner ;) Henkipatto [1d\]: then we take Berlin sika2 [?\]: hehe Gardan [1d\]: wall Zuvi [1k\]: white: 52mins, black: 50mins lauri [3d\]: White is paying for G19, it really should have been J18 Kare [5d?\]: really strange to see Timo use as much time as Kari Kare [5d?\]: usually it's 1 to 5 EiNaRi [3d\]: was c18 really well timed ? Kare [5d?\]: c18 was bad Kare [5d?\]: not big enough goantti [3d\]: as lauri explained... EiNaRi [3d\]: almost lost move :( lauri [3d\]: true Kare [5d?\]: Kari wants to win a close game ] ;W[pf]CR[pf]C[lauri [3d\]: As always ] ;B[pg]CR[pg]C[goantti [3d\]: 2 moves to secure the corner and then black still gets kikashi... Jonii [7k\]: Kari = b or w? :o Zuvi [1k\]: Kari is white Jonii [7k\]: k Olawi [1d\]: after seeing the opening, I didnt really have to ask :D EiNaRi [3d\]: :) EiNaRi [3d\]: you know which one was puha :) Kare [5d?\]: onneksi ei tarvitse pelata... Tää uusi systeemi oli kaikkien mielestä kamala, nää lisäpelit on todella rasittavia lauri [3d\]: Timo seems to like joseki in bottom right corner... Jonii [7k\]: Uus systeemi? Kare [5d?\]: karsintapelit goantti [3d\]: sanoo mies "miksi ei voi 4/5 riittää A-sarjaan vaan pitää pelata 5. peli tosissaan" goantti [3d\]: :-) Kare [5d?\]: nii :) Jonii [7k\]: ^^ ] ;W[of]CR[of] ;B[qe]CR[qe] ;W[qd]CR[qd]C[sika2 [?\]: request for time check, Zuvi Zuvi [1k\]: Both players have about 10 minutes. sika2 [?\]: tx ] ;B[jc]CR[jc]C[Kare [5d?\]: :) lauri [3d\]: Timo might win, he is much better in fast games, I think Kare [5d?\]: and he played k17 Zuvi [1k\]: Kari doesn't like fast byo-yomi goantti [3d\]: hehee, my move lauri [3d\]: Stones g17 etc are not important anymore, Gardan [1d\]: why can't they play faster .. Zuvi [1k\]: white: 56mins, black: 53mins lauri [3d\]: but how to make use of this goantti [3d\]: I think Time and I both like to make "interesting" kikashi moves Kare [5d?\]: i guess w should j18 ] ;W[ib]CR[ib]C[Kare [5d?\]: l 15 is option, but.. Zuvi [1k\]: Kari thought that too :-) goantti [3d\]: l17 naturally for white :-) lauri [3d\]: I was thinkin of L17 K16 l15 sequence goantti [3d\]: aa, l15. I thoght just L16 ] ;B[pe]CR[pe] ;W[od]CR[od] ;B[oe]CR[oe] ;W[nd]CR[nd]C[Olawi [1d\]: timo is brutal :) Kare [5d?\]: Suvi dont give the moves so fast, old people watching... Olawi [1d\]: I wish I could have seen his face when playing those moves.. sika2 [?\]: hehe Kare [5d?\]: If Kari tries to play it safe Timo might still have a chance.. ] ;B[lc]CR[lc]C[Gardan [1d\]: lauri, coming to HGK ? ] ;W[ne]CR[ne]C[lauri [3d\]: Today? Gardan [1d\]: yes lauri [3d\]: Have not planned, as usual Gardan [1d\]: :-/ ] ;B[og]CR[og] ;W[nf]CR[nf] ;B[ng]CR[ng] ;W[qg]CR[qg] ;B[rg]CR[rg] ;W[qh]CR[qh] ;B[rh]CR[rh]C[Gardan [1d\]: ugly ] ;W[qi]CR[qi] ;B[rd]CR[rd] ;W[rc]CR[rc]C[Teemu [3d\]: Only the good and bad are missing. ;) sika2 [?\]: did deft just earn a KGS promotion? sika2 [?\]: congrats! \\o/ Olawi [1d\]: theyre in byo now? deft [5d\]: thanks :) Gardan [1d\]: but not towards HGK Gardan [1d\]: now deft [5d\]: HGK? sika2 [?\]: Helsingin Go Kerho = Helsinki Go Club, I think furr [?\]: sausage factory Loke [23k\]: it the go club of helsinki or something like that Loke [23k\]: +is deft [5d\]: right :) Murskaaja [6k\]: timo is white? Olawi [1d\]: no, B sika2 [?\]: Go-Kerho actually..properly Murskaaja [6k\]: oh deft [5d\]: what a mess... goantti [3d\]: l16 is nästy ] ;B[ri]CR[ri] ;W[mf]CR[mf] ;B[mg]CR[mg] ;W[mb]CR[mb]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Both soon in byo-yomi.. lauri [3d\]: R10 is only move Kare [5d?\]: not sure s11 was the way to go, now w has eyes in s15 if needed deft [5d\]: W should L15 , not N18 deft [5d\]: with N18 it is easy for B to play R10 lauri [3d\]: yes, N18 is unnecessary Murskaaja [6k\]: perhaps W plays L15 next lauri [3d\]: Then he lost on emove lauri [3d\]: one move deft [5d\]: exactly sika2 [?\]: hmm, I have to go soon. where can I get the game record later? Kare [5d?\]: b l15 now, no point in saving o17 when cannot attack the corner goantti [3d\]: on Zuvi's account perhaps? or at suomigo maybe? sika2 [?\]: sounds good.. thx Teemu [3d\]: Kare, surely right side bigger? deft [4d\]: B should R10 I think, Kare ] ;B[le]CR[le]C[Zuvi [1k\]: B is in byo-yomi Kare [5d?\]: too peaseful, atleast go for o9 or something.. Kare [5d?\]: c deft [4d\]: peaceful?? lauri [3d\]: Kikashi T16 is good for white Kare [5d?\]: yup goantti [3d\]: now if white R10 or such makes black to make eyes on the side, N17 is profit Kare [5d?\]: r11 stones must be dead ] ;W[qj]CR[qj]C[Kare [5d?\]: or it will not end well deft [4d\]: now all B stones come under attack deft [4d\]: you can't miss a point like R10 ... Murskaaja [6k\]: B R10 instead jf M15, and the stones in the up would die? ] ;B[se]CR[se]C[Zuvi [1k\]: white also in byo-yomi. lauri [3d\]: Outch white missed T16 Kare [5d?\]: now n17 is good again deft [4d\]: L16 goantti [3d\]: yep lauri [3d\]: :) Kare [5d?\]: can get interesting ] ;W[mc]CR[mc]C[Kare [5d?\]: no.. Kare [5d?\]: so now to kill r11 Kare [5d?\]: big scale Kare [5d?\]: like n8 Kare [5d?\]: or any stone there, just close your eyes and play around there goantti [3d\]: n8 maybe too big scale :-) Player1 [?\]: Where are they playing this? Kare [5d?\]: Tampere Player1 [?\]: Where in Tampere? EiNaRi [3d\]: b has to worry about his own (n12) group too.. Kare [5d?\]: in the middle of Finland Murskaaja [6k\]: Hervanta Kare [5d?\]: Finland is in northern Europe.. :) Player1 [?\]: I live in Hervanta Olawi [1d\]: tampere in the middle :) Olawi [1d\]: har deft [4d\]: W can't be killed Kare [5d?\]: close enough Olawi :) deft [4d\]: B better think about safety for his own group Olawi [1d\]: unless you count lapland to also be in finland.. Kare [5d?\]: very safe after r11 dies :) Olawi [1d\]: which you probably dont ;) deft [4d\]: how to kill? lauri [3d\]: Perhaps black Q9? deft [4d\]: geta :) Kare [5d?\]: deft you have to kibitz better, you just lost a rank :) furr [?\]: :P Loke [23k\]: :/ deft [4d\]: it's because I didn't see Q9 ;) Kare [5d?\]: I didnt see it either, must be my time soon :) goantti [3d\]: but kare, you don't have a rank... Kare [5d?\]: ok, let's talk about something else... snowman [-\]: i've seen q9-like move in a game between Colmez and Catalin lauri [3d\]: But White S10 is sente against black, so I don't think white will die... goantti [3d\]: depends on the libery count lauri [3d\]: (Too lazy to count) snowman [-\]: six liberties, hmm, 6d required Player1 [?\]: :) Zuvi [1k\]: Uah, kauhee vauhti peliss�. Player1 [?\]: koska se byo-yomi alkaa? Zuvi [1k\]: Markku voitti Jaakon 0,5p. Zalasha [5k\]: mikäs tää on? Zuvi [1k\]: Player, no Teemu oli byo-yominlaskijana ja mie kirjasin pelia, ei kukaan ehtiny nakuttaa tanne Zuvi [1k\]: Mutta nyt. snowman [-\]: from the playing rate, i'd guess visala-puha ] ;B[pk]CR[pk] ;W[rj]CR[rj]C[Kare [5d?\]: haa q9 Zuvi [1k\]: Yep, Kari is white, Timo is black. ] ;B[rf]CR[rf] ;W[sc]CR[sc] ;B[sd]CR[sd]C[Kare [5d?\]: i wonder if Timo counted it or just played s14.. ] ;W[gq]CR[gq] ;B[nk]CR[nk]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Kasiala menny epaselvaksi, kun pelasivat niin nopeasti naa siirrot.. hyva kun kirjata ehti Zuvi [1k\]: Kestaa hieman loytaa siirrot, kun kirjasin siirtoon 190 asti tassa valissa Zuvi [1k\]: Sitten ei enaa pysyny mukana Kare [5d?\]: parempi rauhassa Player1 [?\]: ei kai se byo-yomi niin nopea ollu,ettei kirjata ehtiny? ] ;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Zuvi [1k\]: 25 kivea 5 minuutissa Zuvi [1k\]: Ja ne pelas sen _nopeesti_ Zuvi [1k\]: Player, koneella oiskin ollu helpompi, mutta kun piti paperilla Olawi [1d\]: onko jantunen-virtanen päättynyt? ] ;B[go]CR[go] ;W[er]CR[er] ;B[jo]CR[jo]C[Zuvi [1k\]: Joo. Markku voitti 0,5p kun Jaakko puolusti yhen kiven turhaan. Player1 [?\]: :) ] ;W[ip]CR[ip] ;B[io]CR[io]C[EiNaRi [3d\]: :) ] ;W[dq]CR[dq]C[Olawi [1d\]: argh ] ;B[dp]CR[dp]C[Olawi [1d\]: voi aakkoa :( ] ;W[cr]CR[cr]C[snowman [-\]: toivottavasti oppi jotain ] ;B[gi]CR[gi] ;W[kj]CR[kj] ;B[kp]CR[kp] ;W[ko]CR[ko] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[kk]CR[kk] ;W[fj]CR[fj] ;B[fh]CR[fh] ;W[jk]CR[jk]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: varmaan tuon muistaa kyll? ] ;B[jl]CR[jl] ;W[ik]CR[ik] ;B[lj]CR[lj] ;W[ij]CR[ij]C[furr [?\]: oliko tää kompa ? ] ;B[hp]CR[hp] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[kq]CR[kq] ;W[jr]CR[jr] ;B[kr]CR[kr]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: kysymysmerkki on mun rikkinainen aakkonen furr [?\]: ah :) ] ;W[jq]CR[jq]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: vai musta aikoo elella noilla kivilla :) snowman [-\]: ei näytä hyvältä valkealle ] ;B[lo]CR[lo]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: mielenkiintoista ] ;W[kn]CR[kn] ;B[ln]CR[ln] ;W[km]CR[km] ;B[lm]CR[lm]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: tuskalliselta nayttaa kylla ] ;W[kl]CR[kl] ;B[mp]CR[mp]C[lauri [3d\]: mä kun jo luulin, että valkea voittaa... Kare [5d?\]: voittikos musta just pelin? deft [4d\]: game over.. lauri [3d\]: Seems Kare [5d?\]: weird Zuvi [1k\]: Just you wait.. deft [4d\]: :) Murskaaja [6k\]: ehka valkoisella on joku assa hihassa Player1 [?\]: 190 siirtoahan tässä piti olla? Murskaaja [6k\]: visalan murskaustesuji Zuvi [1k\]: Player, pelattiin pidemmallekin, mutta en ehtiny kirjata kuin sen verran. ] ;W[cp]CR[cp] ;B[co]CR[co] ;W[bq]CR[bq] ;B[bk]CR[bk] ;W[bj]CR[bj] ;B[al]CR[al] ;W[bo]CR[bo] ;B[cn]CR[cn]C[snowman [-\]: nyt alkaa mennä rähmä-gon puolelle ] ;W[ll]CR[ll]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: tuosta seurannee aika kinkkinen vaanto Kare [5d?\]: fight of wills now (atleast not of skill anyway..) Player1 [?\]: :) Zuvi [1k\]: Now there might be some wrong moves, it was difficult to write down snowman [-\]: that's how you translate rähmä-go Kare [5d?\]: yep :) ] ;B[mm]CR[mm] ;W[nj]CR[nj] ;B[oj]CR[oj]C[Murskaaja [6k\]: wrong moves are not that big problem if the board ends up in a correct position :) ] ;W[nl]CR[nl] ;B[ml]CR[ml] ;W[mk]CR[mk] ;B[ok]CR[ok] ;W[fn]CR[fn] ;B[fm]CR[fm] ;W[nm]CR[nm] ;B[nr]CR[nr] ;W[mr]CR[mr] ;B[nn]CR[nn]C[snowman [-\]: m9? ] ;W[no]CR[no] ;B[on]CR[on] ;W[lp]CR[lp] ;B[lq]CR[lq] ;W[ks]CR[ks]C[lauri [3d\]: Rämä-go ] ;B[mo]CR[mo] ;W[lr]CR[lr]C[Kare [5d?\]: o2 was so bad Murskaaja [6k\]: onpa vaanto :) ] ;B[gm]CR[gm]C[snowman [-\]: huh Murskaaja [6k\]: N3 nayttas kivalta valkoiselle deft [4d\]: why not N3??? snowman [-\]: they should learn how to play in byoyomi lauri [3d\]: Definitely snowman [-\]: this is embarassing deft [4d\]: :) Kare [5d?\]: now is the right time to say something about the rise in level of Finnish go.. :) Zuvi [1k\]: Well not sure from now on Zuvi [1k\]: But white won Player1 [?\]: :) Zuvi [1k\]: :-) snowman [-\]: :[ deft [4d\]: amazing... Zuvi [1k\]: So Kari Visala goes to group A and Timo Puha to group B deft [4d\]: thanks for relaying the game.. Murskaaja [6k\]: hopefully Kari kicks ass in A group :) EiNaRi [3d\]: thank you suvi (and others at tampere:) Murskaaja [6k\]: this service was most welcome and nice :) lauri [3d\]: Kiitokset kirjaajille! Kare [5d?\]: kiitos pelaajille, loppu oli hyvää viihdettä snowman [-\]: ohoh, nyt kerhoon Player1 [?\]: viihteen puolelle meni Zuvi [1k\]: Kare, ja viimeist� viihdett� ei ees n�hty :) Zuvi [1k\]: Jos ne saa sen kirjattua loppuun tossa ny ite ni laitan sit tanne Kare [5d?\]: se oli varmaan jo k18 Zuvi [1k\]: Ja Markun ja Jaakon peli kans Player1 [?\]: zuvi, missä te pelasitte nää? Zuvi [1k\]: Teemulla Player1 [?\]: ok Zuvi [1k\]: Nyt kayvat tuolla peleja lapi Player1 [?\]: ok Player1 [?\]: mä meen lukemaan kemiaa -----> pVeli [1d\]: vaht happen? EiNaRi [3d\]: kari voitti pVeli [1d\]: kappas vaan pVeli [1d\]: onnea ponnea toveri kapellimestarille:) TeroM [1d\]: outo peli TeroM [1d\]: no sitä se byoyomi tekee fear [-\]: lo fear [-\]: kaikki nukkuu :D ])