(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship 2010 Final Game 1]PW[Javier-Aleksi Savolainen]PB[Antti Törmänen]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2011-01-15]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Suvi [1d\]: jaha jokos kohta alkaa, voiko jo kuuluttaa
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: Jiihaa! \\o/
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: bring it on
FinFinal [-\]: joo, varmaan ihan 10min sisään
FinFinal [-\]: voitkos suvi hoitaa eventoinnipyynnön admineille?
FinFinal [-\]: ah vai onko sullakin sheriffintähti?
Suvi [1d\]: jeps
Suvi [1d\]: jeps, eventoitu on
eatramen [9k\]: LONG LIVE JAPAN!
sulimo [4k?\]: who is stronger, white or black?
MilanMilan [9d\]: go Antti!
eatramen [9k\]: who are the players?
Soap [2k\]: Which color is Antti?
Pottu [2k\]: Do they know allready?
Michi86 [6k\]: I don't think so
FinFinal [-\]: The game is being live streamed over EuroGoTV3 - next up: nigiri
Soap [2k\]: Ah
snowman [-\]: See http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Excalibor [?\]: good morning!
FinFinal [-\]: can you see the live stream without issues?
snowman [-\]: yeah, i can even see my own kibitz
Lalalalll [15k\]: phew
snowman [-\]: an angry zombie is somewhere behind the camera...
Michi86 [6k\]: *rawr*
FinFinal [-\]: Now nigiri
eatramen [9k\]: just throw ramen at the zombie and run!
Lalalalll [15k\]: Hajimekudasai!!!!
Suphyph [9k?\]: nice big handful for the nigiri, haha
eatramen [9k\]: thats a lot of white stones lol
Lalalalll [15k\]: Why it the no starting i cant see anything
Suvi [1d\]: harmi, kyltit ei näy ainakaan tänne asti
Soap [2k\]: Antti is black!
Suvi [1d\]: lalalalll, they're doing the nigiri as part of the show :)
Suvi [1d\]: see the stream
eatramen [9k\]: name of the players please
Suvi [1d\]: soap, so 3-3 coming
gandhi [?\]: suvi, siellä on kontrastiongelma
Suvi [1d\]: eatramen, as soon as they know the colors
gandhi [?\]: valkoinen lappu on pelkkää valkoista
Lalalalll [15k\]: i dont see anything but black board
snowman [-\]: assu weak, you can win the nigiri with one stone only
eatramen [9k\]: ahh there we go, thanks Suvi
Lalalalll [15k\]: What is this nijiri...
Suphyph [9k?\]: is that an Excalibur Game Timer II for the clock?
eatramen [9k\]: GO TIEN!
snowman [-\]: sure
Suvi [1d\]: sup, it is
Suphyph [9k?\]: i want one of those clocks
sulimo [4k?\]: mind the websites you visit during the game, we can see part of your screen
eatramen [9k\]: where is the SOUND?
FinFinal [-\]: Sound is muted for now
eatramen [9k\]: ok ty
FinFinal [-\]: We'll put it on once the game starts
Lalalalll [15k\]: is there supposed to be somthing besides the board..
FinFinal [-\]: it should be in a minute or two
Suphyph [9k?\]: what's the meaning of the cups behind the clock?
FinFinal [-\]: Snacks
Suphyph [9k?\]: oooh, classy
Lalalalll [15k\]: can i get a that linke from the beginning?
Soap [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Excalibor [?\]: ah, great, Tien plays black... will we see san-san in action? :-)
Lalalalll [15k\]: password?
Lalalalll [15k\]: i have to sign up??
Suvi [1d\]: you have to register
Soap [2k\]: You have to register, yes.
Suphyph [9k?\]: how many rounds in the championship?
Suvi [1d\]: but it's worth it, eurogotv is cool
Excalibor [?\]: 3
Suvi [1d\]: best of 3
Suvi [1d\]: so 2 or 3 games
Excalibor [?\]: suvi: better explanation... ^^
sulimo [4k?\]: is antti pro?
eatramen [9k\]: w looks nervous
eatramen [9k\]: no
eatramen [9k\]: strong ama
Soap [2k\]: No, he's amateur.
sulimo [4k?\]: that was a joke :`-( someone laugh
FinFinal [-\]: Game starts
Suphyph [9k?\]: what was the seating about?
Suphyph [9k?\]: w gets to choose which seat to take?
FinFinal [-\]: Light was reflecting from the board
FinFinal [-\]: We needed to adjust the curtains
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;B[dd]C[Lalalalll [15k\]: !!!
Lalalalll [15k\]: i Seee themmm xD thx everyone here
Suphyph [9k?\]: how do they decide which seat to take?
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;W[oq]C[Suphyph [9k?\]: whoever sits down first?
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;B[qd]
;W[cp]C[gandhi [?\]: whoa, the move was in KGS before it was in eurogoTV live stream
RedFish [8k?\]: 3-5?!
Gresil [-\]: they arm-wrestle to decide the seating
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;B[qp]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: 3-5 is on purpose
FinFinal [-\]: We should've had music playing and players going around the table until it stops
RedFish [8k?\]: I knowm
RedFish [8k?\]: but very interesting
eatramen [9k\]: maybe the stream lags lol
jnalanko [3k\]: there's about 5 seconds of delay on the stream
RedFish [8k?\]: in a championship match
MilanMilan [9d\]: w wanna avoid sth
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;W[oc]C[Suvi [1d\]: antti wanted 4-4 and 3-3 on the opposite corners
Excalibor [?\]: yeah
Excalibor [?\]: well, let's hope he'll feel as experimental and inspired as he was the other day, winning over Catalin
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;B[ld]C[zhanzr [12k\]: Why can't I see the video, I just saw a blank flash rectange in the browser window?
eatramen [9k\]: does w have kgs acc?
eatramen [9k\]: try refressking zhan
eatramen [9k\]: *refreshing
LEI0724 [8d\]: do you log in?
zhanzr [12k\]: Yes
FinFinal [-\]: ErgoProxy and Assu
zhanzr [12k\]: I logined in
eatramen [9k\]: w is ergoproxy?!
FinFinal [-\]: white's KGS accounts
eatramen [9k\]: =O
eatramen [9k\]: awesome
Lalalalll [14k\]: what ranking are they>?
zhanzr [12k\]: I have refreshed serval times.
zhanzr [12k\]: I have tried Linux+Firefox and Win7+IE9
ranchanii [1d\]: Mie en oo koskaan tajunnu noita korkeita pincereitä
zhanzr [12k\]: Neither worked
LEI0724 [8d\]: Milan, do you think w should tenuki here?
Nemia [7k\]: Ergoproxy [6d\] and Tien [9d\]
Gluon [1k\]: please try macOs and safari now
mafutrct [-\]: who is tien?
eatramen [9k\]: try win7+firefox
Nemia [7k\]: tien is black
mafutrct [-\]: ok
Leibnix [6k\]: try linux + wine + firefox
eatramen [9k\]: i didnt find any acc named Assu
MilanMilan [9d\]: I prefer Q5
Nemia [7k\]: assu is ergoproxy
MilanMilan [9d\]: get sente in the lower right
MilanMilan [9d\]: and back to p13
LEI0724 [8d\]: you mean p14?
Lalalalll [14k\]: i knew game beginnings are intense thinking but whats the time limit?
MilanMilan [9d\]: yes
MilanMilan [9d\]: P14
jnalanko [3k\]: 90 minutes + 1 min byo omi
Lalalalll [14k\]: thank you
Excalibor [?\]: right now, will white make the shimari and then attack on the lower right or will he fight on the upper right corner?
Leibnix [6k\]: says 1:30 in the rules
LEI0724 [8d\]: Antti may have some experiece of research at M18
eatramen [9k\]: i know assu is ergo
MilanMilan [9d\]: assu has a agressive style
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;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[pn]C[Excalibor [?\]: aha...
MilanMilan [9d\]: while Antti is solid
eatramen [9k\]: he does
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;B[qm]C[eatramen [9k\]: how old is he?
eatramen [9k\]: looks young
satakieli [1k\]: where is the game?
MilanMilan [9d\]: if w takes p14
MilanMilan [9d\]: slightly better for w
Excalibor [?\]: as In-Seong wrote recently (paraphrassing): most of emerging h younger than meeuropean high dans are muc
Michi86 [6k\]: Assu is just over 18 i think and antti is around 22-24
MilanMilan [9d\]: caz b stones in low position
eatramen [9k\]: ohh cool
Excalibor [?\]: oops, that came out all mangled xD
eatramen [9k\]: thanks michi
Lalalalll [14k\]: This is in tents!
eatramen [9k\]: i can feel thei spirit pressures
eatramen [9k\]: *their
LEI0724 [8d\]: antti is 21
Excalibor [?\]: In-Seong wrote about how most emerging high dan players in Europe are younger than him...
Haven [4k?\]: javier iz adawwable o-o
Lalalalll [14k\]: From all the way in Seattle!!
Suphyph [9k?\]: antti's hair looks like akira touya
MilanMilan [9d\]: sure...In-seong is 29 now
Lalalalll [14k\]: Hahaha
eatramen [9k\]: haha
snowman [-\]: you can read their cv's in http://pandanet-igs.com/communities/euroteamchamps/teams/FIN
Excalibor [?\]: I thought he was one of the Beatles :-)
FinFinal [-\]: The game is also being broadcast in EuroGoTV3
Lalalalll [14k\]: Hehehe
ranchanii [1d\]: looks good for black
Gekirin [1d\]: this game live now? if yes, where?
Excalibor [?\]: has sound returned?
snowman [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Gekirin [1d\]: thx
Excalibor [?\]: Gekirin: in Tampere, Finland, I think
Leibnix [6k\]: thanks snowman
FinFinal [-\]: Thanks snowman, my paste doesn't work in CGoban for some reason
Suvi [1d\]: Espoo, Finland
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;W[pe]C[Excalibor [?\]: ah, Espoo
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;B[pd]C[mafutrct [-\]: cut?
snowman [-\]: Espoo, the second biggest city in Finland, mostly forest
Excalibor [?\]: i messed up.... that's because I've been reading Tien's blog too much recently ^^
mafutrct [-\]: yes
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;W[od]C[Nemia [7k\]: you can paste 0.o wow
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;B[oe]C[Excalibor [?\]: must be a very beautiful place
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;W[pf]C[eatramen [9k\]: is finnish 6d equivalent to egf 6d?
satakieli [1k\]: this is difficult joseki
Excalibor [?\]: weird fuseki, too complex for me
snowman [-\]: more beatiful than this joseki-in-the-coming
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;B[ne]
;W[qb]C[Suvi [1d\]: eatramen, yes
Lalalalll [14k\]: I see a pinwheel.
eatramen [9k\]: ok thanks again Suvi ^^
Suvi [1d\]: antti has gor of 2591
Excalibor [?\]: they should be like egf as they are europeans as well :-)
Haven [4k?\]: whats an egf 6d on kgs o-o
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;B[rf]C[eatramen [9k\]: gor?
Nemia [7k\]: 9d
Suvi [1d\]: eatramen, EGF go rating points 
eatramen [9k\]: egf 6d on kgs is about 7-8d
Suvi [1d\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=12949310
eatramen [9k\]: wonderful =)
Excalibor [?\]: but we all know there are some big differences between ranks in european countries, and I think Finland was one of the examples used in the recent article
Lalalalll [14k\]: ??
Lalalalll [14k\]: he just walked away?
ikuy [3d\]: this game so interesting :)
chimbba [1k\]: toilet tesuji
eatramen [9k\]: very interesting fuseki
Lalalalll [14k\]: haha
eatramen [9k\]: freshair tesuji
chimbba [1k\]: what is the correct move here?
Excalibor [?\]: truth is, it's scary how young they are...
MilanMilan [9d\]: Q14 is a overplay
Excalibor [?\]: even In-Seong is young in my own vital POV... lol
chimbba [1k\]: oh
Excalibor [?\]: I feel old now, will I reach dan level before retirement? xD
ranchanii [1d\]: how many games are they going to play to see who it the champ?
eatramen [9k\]: one never retires from go
snowman [-\]: best of three match
Excalibor [?\]: best of 2 of 3
Excalibor [?\]: eatramen: retirement from life (i was being euphemistic) :-P
Lalalalll [14k\]: will this game be here in the morning?
eatramen [9k\]: thanks for comment milan
Lalalalll [14k\]: its night time in seattle
eatramen [9k\]: ahh i see
eatramen [9k\]: @ex
Excalibor [?\]: don't sleep!
snowman [-\]: it's about eleven am in finland
largehc [2k\]: this is hard
eatramen [9k\]: it's almost 4am here
eatramen [9k\]: and i havent slept yet ~_~
mafutrct [-\]: 10am
snowman [-\]: next game in four hours
largehc [2k\]: s17?
Excalibor [?\]: eatramen: that's the spirit! ^^
Lalalalll [14k\]: i have too..... i m still with parents.. T.T
mafutrct [-\]: its saved in game list
Nemia [7k\]: anybody playing on USA div?
Lalalalll [14k\]: how do i get to that list.
FinFinal [-\]: The second game starts in 4 hours if the schedule holds
Excalibor [?\]: lalalall: this should be in FinFinal's profile when you wake up
mafutrct [-\]: right click finfinal
Excalibor [?\]: so go to bed without remorse and sleep well :-)
Lalalalll [14k\]: ahhh
Pottu [2k\]: eidogo says Q14 unreasonable
Lalalalll [14k\]: ok
esidebob [-\]: oh bummer, i overslept
esidebob [-\]: luckily i didn't miss much yet
Lalalalll [14k\]: thx have fun watching everyone good bye
eatramen [9k\]: you missed the most important part of the game esidebob
Gekirin [1d\]: Where game playing now? this is...restoran?))
eatramen [9k\]: nigiri!
ranchanii [1d\]: m18 
chimbba [1k\]: 19 moves and black already has a promising game
snowman [-\]: restoran pihurayamaa
Excalibor [?\]: have you regained sound, btw?
FinFinal [-\]: snowman, I prefer the form pihirayamaa
satakieli [1k\]: can you give address?
snowman [-\]: solly
gandhi [?\]: it's in suomigo
FinFinal [-\]: Excalibor: we decided to keep the sound muted, it's silent here and only sound would be the toilet tesuji
Nemia [7k\]: s15 
Excalibor [?\]: lol
eatramen [9k\]: lol
Excalibor [?\]: FinFinal: understood... thx :-)
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;W[lc]C[ranchanii [1d\]: I learned from hng that toilet is the place where you go and cry
Gekirin [1d\]: ho ho, is real akira toya head)
RedFish [8k?\]: w
snowman [-\]: that joseki is actually very rare in professional play
snowman [-\]: only four instances in gogod database
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;B[pm]C[snowman [-\]: and M17 is safely out of charts
Suphyph [9k?\]: oh really? top right is in a database? wow
Excalibor [?\]: question: did white play the lower right joseki in the hopes of making a moyo by pincering a black kakari to c4?
Pepijn [2d\]: is last move part of joseki (M17)?
mafutrct [-\]: exc the main aim was to press b flat on the right
snowman [-\]: as said, safely out of conventional lines
ikuy [3d\]: m17 not joseki
Pepijn [2d\]: thnks
Excalibor [?\]: but black was already flat (with the komoku)?
ikuy [3d\]: np
mafutrct [-\]: no
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;W[rg]C[mafutrct [-\]: black can be high with e.g. q5
mafutrct [-\]: or with q7
LEI0724 [8d\]: Q7 interest move
Excalibor [?\]: ah, ok, i understand now
LEI0724 [8d\]: interesting
eatramen [9k\]: w is very violent
Excalibor [?\]: malfruct: thank you ^^
eatramen [9k\]: cant wait til he brings the guns out
Haven [4k?\]: very violent go is awesome go xD
Oloril [1d\]: A little bit of violence never hurt anyone.
eatramen [9k\]: =)
mafutrct [-\]: youre welcome *adds new variation of my name misspelled to list*
Suvi [1d\]: antti plays so solidly that he might not get hurt a lot
MilanMilan [9d\]: Q7...
Excalibor [?\]: oops!!!
ikuy [3d\]: eatramen why not to go sleeping?
eatramen [9k\]: @maf haha
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;B[re]C[Haven [4k?\]: what does milan think of q7?
]
;W[qg]
;B[rb]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: antti just angry?
eatramen [9k\]: because i want to watch this ikuy
]
;W[ng]C[Excalibor [?\]: i hope is very long ^^ sorry, mafutrct, too many consonants :-P
MilanMilan [9d\]: o13...
FinFinal [-\]: White hit 26 pretty hard to board
ikuy [3d\]: yeah, but straight after this it comes a new match :), and you are going to watch it too?
mafutrct [-\]: lol no worries
LEI0724 [8d\]: How do you think S13, milan?
eatramen [9k\]: ohh really?
eatramen [9k\]: all three games are today?
Suvi [1d\]: two today
Suvi [1d\]: one tomorrow if needed
eatramen [9k\]: ohh
eatramen [9k\]: so much pressure
MilanMilan [9d\]: w will be punnished
ikuy [3d\]: 2 of them are today
eatramen [9k\]: idk who i want to win
eatramen [9k\]: =S
Excalibor [?\]: finfinal: will the winner go to WAGC?
MilanMilan [9d\]: nonsense
ikuy [3d\]: what is wagc?
Suvi [1d\]: excalibor, we have a points system for wagc
Excalibor [?\]: worl championship!
Haven [4k?\]: root for javier eatramen xD
eatramen [9k\]: world amatuer go competition
ikuy [3d\]: ty
Suvi [1d\]: worl amateur go championships
FinFinal [-\]: Winner will gain more points for WAGC system
mtho [7k\]: ＮＨＫ見てるようです。
Suvi [1d\]: d
eatramen [9k\]: ohh championships
eatramen [9k\]: my bad
Excalibor [?\]: oh... in spain the winner goes to wagc
eatramen [9k\]: World Amatuer Go Championships, not competition hehe
Excalibor [?\]: these nordics are amazing
ikuy [3d\]: ^^
Excalibor [?\]: when we think we are on par, they show us how far into the past are we still compared to them
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;B[mc]C[Excalibor [?\]: a year-long league to decide the wagc player looks more rational...
Pepijn [2d\]: who are the ' we' you are talking about?
Excalibor [?\]: in our defense, the spanish finals are a league, and the only the best results go
Excalibor [?\]: spain
Excalibor [?\]: ^^
Pepijn [2d\]: ah ok :)
Suvi [1d\]: esidebob is going this year for Finland
gandhi [?\]: excalibor, finnish point system goes on for many years
Michi86 [6k\]: If white wins, he'll get rights to go to WAGC as beeing the new champion who hasn't been there yet
Pyoveli [3d\]: if assu wins these finals, he will go to wagc
apina [1k\]: suvi, if assu wins, he will go
gandhi [?\]: every year the player that has most points goes to wagc
Excalibor [?\]: ah
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;W[mb]C[mtho [7k\]: ＮＨＫ見てるようです。
Excalibor [?\]: weird ^^
]
;B[kc]C[Suvi [1d\]: assu has 13 points, right? and gets 2 extra if he wins?
]
;W[lb]C[Suvi [1d\]: mikko has 18.5
Pyoveli [3d\]: new champion rule
apina [1k\]: he will be new shampion
Suvi [1d\]: http://www.gowrite.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=86&start=12
apina [1k\]: champion
Suvi [1d\]: ahh
Suvi [1d\]: so true
Suvi [1d\]: my bad
satakieli [1k\]: does b need q18 or so to live in corner?
Excalibor [?\]: i don't understand: Javier has 13+ points and Anti only 5 but he's on the finals?
FinFinal [-\]: The point system is separate from the finals
Suvi [1d\]: the points system is different from the tournament
FinFinal [-\]: And points are reset when a player goes to WAGC (or greatly reduced)
Excalibor [?\]: ah, i see
gandhi [?\]: we have 5-phased national championships
MilanMilan [9d\]: L16
gandhi [?\]: and you get points for WAGC based on how well you did in them
gandhi [?\]: sorry 4-phased
Suvi [1d\]: if you go to wagc you lose 25 points
Excalibor [?\]: so it really is a system to reward constant effort to improve your go and will to go to wagc... it looks tiring (so many tournaments) but pretty fair ^^
Suvi [1d\]: so that's why antti only has 5 now
Excalibor [?\]: this avoids having a 'king of the hill'
Suvi [1d\]: you don't have to attend all 4 tournaments if you play well enough
Excalibor [?\]: very cool
Suvi [1d\]: for example next year these two will only have to play the top 6 stage
Suvi [1d\]: round robin
Suvi [1d\]: and the top two from that will play the finals
Suvi [1d\]: so maximum of 2 stages
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;B[pb]C[Excalibor [?\]: i'd love to learn finnish and go to live over there... ^^
largehc [2k\]: no you wouldn't
kurii [3k\]: you don't.
Suvi [1d\]: finland <3
jnalanko [3k\]: it's -15 celcius right now, stay away
Excalibor [?\]: yeah i do :-P
esidebob [-\]: itching for WAGC points, huh?
Suvi [1d\]: hah, -23 here
Excalibor [?\]: well, it's about 2 million of idiots of corrupts or both in here right now, and rising...
ikuy [3d\]: where is this final played at?
Excalibor [?\]: against cold i can fight
Suvi [1d\]: ikyu, Espoo
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;W[kd]C[satakieli [1k\]: milan, how b was supposed to live in the corner if l16 ?
ikuy [3d\]: ikuy
ikuy [3d\]: thanks
largehc [2k\]: there are plenty of idiots and corrupts in finland too
snowman [-\]: eh
mafutrct [-\]: lets not talk about that
Suvi [1d\]: would call finland corrupted, but let's concentrate on the game please
Excalibor [?\]: not as many as in here... read about the last 6  months or so... it's so sad i feel ashamed
Suvi [1d\]: woiuld NOT
Suvi [1d\]: i mean
FinFinal [-\]: The game is also being broadcast live on EuroGoTV3
mafutrct [-\]: l16 s17 q18 semeai i guess
kgkjk: i dont get why black didnt protect the cut
largehc [2k\]: yeah, let's not, because you'd be wrong
snowman [-\]: and the thing about idiots is already obvious...
chimbba [1k\]: had to live in the corner, kgkjk?
gandhi [?\]: snowman, do you base that on this kibitz?
cherisse [-\]: finnish have the strangest names
Excalibor [?\]: not the strangest, but they are pretty interesting nevertheless ^^
snorri: some finnish names come from their old pagan mythology, which is kind of cool
FinFinal [-\]: The live broadcast address is http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Suvi [1d\]: mine means summer, so not too strange
FinFinal [-\]: (got my paste working now)
Soap [2k\]: I like Polish names.  Those are awesome :)
Excalibor [?\]: Fin: jay! ^^
snorri: with the temperaturs right now, summer's gotta feel a bit mythical :)
Excalibor [?\]: lol
FinFinal [-\]: Please, keep the comments concentrated on the game.
largehc [2k\]: can we discuss the game instead of a BFE country that's run by idiots?
largehc [2k\]: thank you.
horstmaria [4d\]: wasn't q18 slow?
RedFish [8k?\]: how bout those raiders? n-n
Excalibor [?\]: bfe?
Excalibor [?\]: well, so SE is rooting for black atm... :-)
horgo [20k\]: he don't play ?
ranchanii [1d\]: m15 
snorri: how much time have they used?
jnalanko [3k\]: time left: W 65 min W 68 min
ikuy [3d\]: FinFinal that site doesn´t work for me
mof [?\]: about that system, we have the same, or at least had the same in Sweden
ikuy [3d\]: there is no video clip
jnalanko [3k\]: B 68 min*
mafutrct [-\]: horst i think so too
mof [?\]: a not so very small factor in creating a points system like that is that without it, the same guy would go every year
satakieli [1k\]: b m15, w k16 
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;B[le]C[FinFinal [-\]: Does someone have EuroGoTV3 working?
Soap [2k\]: I do
satakieli [1k\]: yes
chimbba [1k\]: it works
FinFinal [-\]: Thanks
gandhi [?\]: i think that nowadays we could just have the winner going
gandhi [?\]: and that wouldn't always be the same guy
snowman [-\]: :)
Shador [2k\]: :D
AmonAmarth [4d\]: k16 ?
mof [?\]: gandhi I bet :)
mafutrct [-\]: i read l16 s17 q18 t18 s19 r19 q19 and so on b connects and w lives, is that right?
finity [3k\]: how long has the current point system been in place?
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;W[md]C[snowman [-\]: since 86 or so
sulimo [4k?\]: b position sucky
ikuy [3d\]: sucky=?
horstmaria [4d\]: yes
mafutrct [-\]: bad
RobertT [-\]: bad
LadyKiller [11k\]: that boy is eating something
ikuy [3d\]: okay ¨^
mtho [7k\]: ＮＨＫ杯見てるようです。
ranchanii [1d\]: black goes for the kill of the q14 group
mafutrct [-\]: lol no
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;B[jd]
;W[me]C[mafutrct [-\]: impossible to kill, cant even attack
mafutrct [-\]: b is too thin
mafutrct [-\]: k16 is a very unhappy move in my book
mafutrct [-\]: w easily connects
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: Ido
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: umhum
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;B[mf]
;W[nc]
;B[lf]
;W[nf]
;B[kb]
;W[cf]C[ikuy [3d\]: b15 
GoRival [4k\]: e15
mafutrct [-\]: b15 was my first idea too
mtho [7k\]: もしかして
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;B[be]C[ikuy [3d\]: :) what I said
snorri: whose positions do you prefer now?
vxc: good for w
snorri: position* even
Excalibor [?\]: b15 is weird
mof [?\]: booth xxx
mafutrct [-\]: even on my level
mof [?\]: how can they play so peaceful?
Soap [2k\]: I don't like that joseki :P
largehc [2k\]: I favor white
mafutrct [-\]: b15 is very normal here
largehc [2k\]: q7 isn't doing much any more
mafutrct [-\]: any other moves makes b too crowded
ikuy [3d\]: your level?
chimbba [1k\]: why b15 is good here?
mafutrct [-\]: my level is kgs 3d
ikuy [3d\]: :)
mtho [7k\]: 井山名人か。
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;W[di]C[ikuy [3d\]: b15 good because b has a solid wall from the right of b15
Excalibor [?\]: oh
mafutrct [-\]: for insance if f16 ,w can enter c17
ikuy [3d\]: e14 
mafutrct [-\]: then b cannot get a good result anymore
haltija [-\]: i'd bet on black after d11
Excalibor [?\]: b15 closes a sansan invqasion?
mafutrct [-\]: yes mostly
ikuy [3d\]: y
mafutrct [-\]: still aji of course
mafutrct [-\]: esp w c16
MilanMilan [9d\]: w leads now
MilanMilan [9d\]: b will take E14
Excalibor [?\]: invasion only lives in ko? like with a keima shimari?
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;B[qr]C[mafutrct [-\]: w wont invade at 33 now
mafutrct [-\]: huh
chimbba [1k\]: r2? huh
ikuy [3d\]:  why not e14?
keyboy [5d\]: b14
MilanMilan [9d\]: R2?
jnalanko [3k\]: what is this i don't even
Pepijn [2d\]: isnt there a D13 tesuji for black?
Gekirin [1d\]: ?//??
mlee [7k\]: hi
Gresil [-\]: isn't e14 overconcentrated?
chimbba [1k\]: looks very slow
mafutrct [-\]: is this serious?
mtho [7k\]: 昨日棋聖戦勝ったばかりだからな。
mafutrct [-\]: no e14 is ok
gjhgj: e4
keyboy [5d\]: i would play b14 if i was black
mtho [7k\]: 先勝。
Excalibor [?\]: antti explained recently he liked to play some good gote moves
mlee [7k\]: hi
haltija [-\]: isn't q3 better locally
MilanMilan [9d\]: mtho, plz focus on the game
mlee [7k\]: hi
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: w happy, grinning
Excalibor [?\]: maybe he thinks thisis one of those
gjhgj: e3
mlee [7k\]: hi
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;W[iq]C[mafutrct [-\]: r2 looks terrible to me
keyboy [5d\]: this is not a good gote move, it is a very useless move
Juippi [3d\]: but at least it's gote
Juippi [3d\]: 1 out of 2 isn't too bad
mafutrct [-\]: esp with q7....
MilanMilan [9d\]: locally R3 is better than R2
pupukani [5k\]: dont question his move :D "there are things only the players can see"
Excalibor [?\]: now b has to reduce w's moyo
ikuy [3d\]: n3 
satakieli [1k\]: d6 
ikuy [3d\]: or this e4 
Suphyph [9k?\]: so what was r2 for?
mtho [7k\]: 井山裕太強いぜ。
Excalibor [?\]: territory?
Pottu [2k\]: making p3 weaker
gjhgj: m3
Excalibor [?\]: n3 or m3? interesting
Severyanin [13k\]: why not q3? Instead of r2
Gekirin [1d\]: j5 
Gresil [-\]: it would provoke white to strengthen his position.
ikuy [3d\]: milan, do you then have any ideas why then antti played r2 and not r3?
mof [?\]: well, black doesn't want to help w in fixing any shape
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;B[ep]C[DevilGo [2d\]: mm q3 not that bad i think
chimbba [1k\]: d6 now
kurii [3k\]: D6
gjhgj: d6
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: w has a target, now
vxc: cant agree with "r3 is better than r2". Care to teach us why?
ikuy [3d\]: q3 seems bad, because q3 q2 r2 q4 r3 tenuki
mtho [7k\]: 棋聖戦頑張れ　井山裕太。
Excalibor [?\]: is b aiming at d11 now?
MilanMilan [9d\]: I am not sure...
ikuy [3d\]: let´s say r3 is more original
Gresil [-\]: black can aim in either direction depending on white's responses.
MilanMilan [9d\]: mtho, it's enough, 
MilanMilan [9d\]: caz now Q3 is sente
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's equal to r3 q3 r2 
MilanMilan [9d\]: it not a good exchange to b overall
vxc: Thanks, that's a good way to put it
pupukani [5k\]: e3?
mtho [7k\]: 第2局は26日27日は北海道伊達市応援します。
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: would D5 be good here
gjhgj: c8
chimbba [1k\]: d6 looks normal
DevilGo [2d\]: d6
mafutrct [-\]: e3 seems very bad to me, it helps w
gjhgj: c7
Gresil [-\]: how about d4
Iciac [4k\]: e3 
mafutrct [-\]: d4 also helps, i think
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;W[dn]C[chimbba [1k\]: now c3
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;B[cq]C[mafutrct [-\]: i think w has only the coice of d6 and g4
kurii [3k\]: b3 d3 b2
Iciac [4k\]: b is looking to cut around l3
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;W[bq]C[mafutrct [-\]: usually, w gets to make j3 stronger in this joseki
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: ahh, the cat's joseki
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;B[en]C[mafutrct [-\]: oh, b going to b4 really?
mafutrct [-\]: looks bad idea to me on this board
Gresil [-\]: cat's? twoeye uses this?
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: J3 at J4 for the cat
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: though
chimbba [1k\]: d7
gjhgj: d7
mafutrct [-\]: e7 for me
chimbba [1k\]: e7 possible i guess, too
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: i'v seen twoeye squeeze b like this
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;W[em]C[largehc [2k\]: two mickeys
DevilGo [2d\]: mm i dont like e7
chimbba [1k\]: well, w is an aggressive player....
LadyKiller [11k\]: W quiter
gjhgj: i'd like d7 and m4
vroom [4k\]: does someone know a good finnish joke?
satakieli [1k\]: e7 make j3 weaker and b aim is to invade at l3 
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: E7 feels like overplay
DevilGo [2d\]: yeah
mafutrct [-\]: e7 is very common in this shape
DevilGo [2d\]: now m4 seems good invasion for b
mafutrct [-\]: it should not be wrong in itself
Pepijn [2d\]: crosscut is usual now?
mafutrct [-\]: yes
Pepijn [2d\]: b4 cc I mean
mafutrct [-\]: b might f6 but i dont think its good on this board
mafutrct [-\]: but b4 should help w
chimbba [1k\]: b4 c5?
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;B[bp]C[mafutrct [-\]: b cannot expect to attack anything after b4 i think
Iciac [4k\]: hurray! Interesting now :)
mafutrct [-\]: now just normal play
DevilGo [2d\]: f6
DevilGo [2d\]: big for w
mafutrct [-\]: i dont think so
LadyKiller [11k\]: W escaper
mafutrct [-\]: center is not very big
Pepijn [2d\]: I recently saw somethig cool here: d3 c5 c2 d4 f6 
Pepijn [2d\]: or the like
mafutrct [-\]: d3 is one variation, sadly i forgot it :)
mafutrct [-\]: its been a while since i studied chinese fuseki
fatihsulak [?\]: d4 i prefer 
gjhgj: d3 d4
Soap [2k\]: They both left the goban.
Pepijn [2d\]: maybe they need to discuss what variation to play
Oloril [1d\]: Nah, they're escapers.
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;W[co]
;B[br]C[Oloril [1d\]: As soon as reality realizes that their connection dropped the clock will stop.
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;W[dq]
;B[cr]
;W[dp]
;B[bo]
;W[bn]
;B[dr]
;W[eq]C[LastAngel [?\]: where do they play?
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: this is good for w
ikuy [3d\]: e6 seems bad now
gjhgj: w good
mafutrct [-\]: this is the variation i was talking about earlier...  i like w
Soap [2k\]: B has all four corners!
vxc: just about anything would have been better for b
Soap [2k\]: That was his grand plan all along.
vxc: this is horrible
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;B[mq]C[Pottu [2k\]: w have to utilice the pover now
sixgen [3d\]: well, b _does_ have all the corners
GoatCheese [1k\]: is the top left corner blacks?
LastAngel [?\]: nobody has any idea, where they play? ö_0
ikuy [3d\]: yes
mafutrct [-\]: 90%
FinFinal [-\]: LastAngel: Espoo
FinFinal [-\]: my home, to be more precise :)
GoatCheese [1k\]: although i do not reccomend it, it looks to be invadable
vxc: ah, r2 showing it's power :)
ikuy [3d\]: who are you? :O
mafutrct [-\]: there is still c16 and b17 aji
LastAngel [?\]: ai niin, missä asut? :D
sixgen [3d\]: lepuskissa kai
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: P4
FinFinal [-\]: Etelä-Leppävaara, löytyy tuolta Suomigo:n SM-finaalisivulta
mafutrct [-\]: p4 is out of the quesion
LastAngel [?\]: kiitti :)
gjhgj: p7?
mafutrct [-\]: q3?
ranchanii [1d\]: q2 
itepilah [1d\]: go Antti!
GoatCheese [1k\]: o5
PeterPan [5d\]: n5
GoatCheese [1k\]: PeterPan!
mafutrct [-\]: n5 lacks points doesnt it?
Daniel1987 [6k?\]: n6?
Merchant [4k\]: Somebody want to translate the above discussion?
FinFinal [-\]: LastAngel was asking where I live precisely
Trumelunki [4d\]: white will play q3 and black will not play r3, otherwise r2 would be exposed as a bad move
MilanMilan [9d\]: Beat LA！
FinFinal [-\]: so I pointed him to the finals home page (also in FinFinal info) which has that info
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;W[pq]C[mafutrct [-\]: k4 i guess
Merchant [4k\]: thank you
GoatCheese [1k\]: or n5?
MilanMilan [9d\]: here shows the difference between R3&R2
Suteishi [6d\]: 6.5 komi right?
apina [1k\]: suteishi, yes
gjhgj: n5?
FinFinal [-\]: Ikyu: I live 100 feet away from Antti and there wasn't any offers for the game location, so I volunteered
ikuy [3d\]: okay, :)
GoatCheese [1k\]: ah I see. white can threaten to cut R6 now if it is not protected
vxc: So good to be taught something and then see it happen :)
Suteishi [6d\]: i think b position slightly better, but only slightly
CptHook [4k?\]: now we can seee milan had right...
Trumelunki [4d\]: My bet is on o7 
sixgen [3d\]: finfi, your mother never taught you not to tell your real name and address online? :-)
mafutrct [-\]: k4 is the only move to me
blurb: o5?
FinFinal [-\]: sixgen: Hehe, it's Joonas Pihlajamaa, but that's only remotely relevant
Gresil [-\]: is l3 inferior ro k4?
Gresil [-\]: ro=to
GoatCheese [1k\]: is n6 too much of a stretch?
mafutrct [-\]: yes i think so
mafutrct [-\]: becausae it doesnt move as fast
ranchanii [1d\]: juunas
mafutrct [-\]: n6 looks like it resigns points uselessly
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;B[qq]C[Gresil [-\]: does k4/l3 not force white n5 to get out?
mafutrct [-\]: wow
mafutrct [-\]: m4
mafutrct [-\]: gresil w had r3 so w is stable
brott: n5 
mafutrct [-\]: now of course not anymore
ranchanii [1d\]: m4 k4 
vxc: so r2 was really bad
mafutrct [-\]: m4 k4 really?
mafutrct [-\]: n5 or m4 for me
GoatCheese [1k\]: well, I read once that pincering from an open skirt position is fundamentally bad strategy
MilanMilan [9d\]: N5
Suteishi [6d\]: milanmilan said the move i would play :D
Suteishi [6d\]: M4 not good imo cause of open skirt and cause W not strong
GoatCheese [1k\]: so if that is true then either n3 or R2 are misplaced
mtho [7k\]: 井山裕太は２１才です。
mafutrct [-\]: i see
ranchanii [1d\]: and by m4 i meant n5 
mafutrct [-\]: well i would like to kill with m4 x3
Suteishi [6d\]: hehehe no doubt
Suteishi [6d\]: i just don't see B dying to that
GoatCheese [1k\]: lol
Suteishi [6d\]: thats why rather harass it
mafutrct [-\]: i see
mafutrct [-\]: yea
brott: will black try to run with k4?
mafutrct [-\]: i cant read it
Suteishi [6d\]: well, the first thing i looked at was that W has a nasty weakness at O5
GoatCheese [1k\]: yes this W group is akwardly positioned
mafutrct [-\]: oh... yea
Suteishi [6d\]: n5 attacks and helps with that
GoatCheese [1k\]: n5 does look good
GoatCheese [1k\]: can white also contact at n4
mafutrct [-\]: dont touch weak stones
Suteishi [6d\]: never contact a weak stone :p
GoatCheese [1k\]: is n3 really weak?
mafutrct [-\]: n5 k4 looks reasonable
mafutrct [-\]: of course it is
Suteishi [6d\]: or lets say it like this
Suteishi [6d\]: if you touch that stone, it will get strong
Suteishi [6d\]: and you don't want it to become strong
GoatCheese [1k\]: yes, 
GoatCheese [1k\]: but whit group will also get strong is the idfea
brott: and m4 is almost a touching move
mafutrct [-\]: touching is fine if you can kill
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;W[lp]C[Suteishi [6d\]: m4 is "i kill you" move
]
;B[mp]C[mafutrct [-\]: yay
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;W[mo]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: I prefer o5 instead of R3
ranchanii [1d\]: assu want blood!
MilanMilan [9d\]: M4 is agressive
GoatCheese [1k\]: true?
]
;B[lq]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: white seems commited to a center strategy?
]
;W[kp]C[mafutrct [-\]: ah w going to sac
mafutrct [-\]: b already played r3 and r2 so might be ok
GoatCheese [1k\]: white is going to build deathstar.
Suteishi [6d\]: will be hard to build big center
mafutrct [-\]: i could never win this as w but maybe he can do it
ranchanii [1d\]: p4 
GoatCheese [1k\]: yea i agree it is hard to build big center but it seems that is what he is going for
mafutrct [-\]: if black did not read this r3 was bad...
GoatCheese [1k\]: considering he has essentially given up 4 corners and is playing to build influnce here also
Nemia [7k\]: if w c17 he can get the corner?
Blitzbold [1d\]: actually b has tosave his stones...
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;B[no]C[vroom [4k\]: o1 does not work?
mafutrct [-\]: o1 is going backwards
Blitzbold [1d\]: o1 bizarre?
MilanMilan [9d\]: if sacriface those 4 stones here
mafutrct [-\]: he meant o2?
MilanMilan [9d\]: still too huge
mafutrct [-\]: milan, sorry, what is huge?
MilanMilan [9d\]: 4stones in the corner
MilanMilan [9d\]: now w may double hane
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;W[nn]C[Blitzbold [1d\]: very big corner then?
FinFinal [-\]: This game is also being broadcasted in EuroGoTV3, http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/SMFinaali2010
vroom [4k\]: 2010? 
sixgen [3d\]: yes
MilanMilan [9d\]: and b will do L3 now
FinFinal [-\]: White is Javier-Aleksi Savolainen 5 dan, and black Antti Törmänen 6 dan (and also the winner of LOGC 2010)
mafutrct [-\]: oh l3 excellent timing :)
FinFinal [-\]: vroom: the finals were delayed a month or so
vroom [4k\]: I see
Excalibor [?\]: milan: how about b p4 q4 p6 p7 n6?
Nemia [7k\]: what LOGC is?
FinFinal [-\]: London Open Go Congress
Nemia [7k\]: ok
mafutrct [-\]: exc that does not work at all
Uberdude [3d?\]: Javier must be taking this serious;y, he doesn't have headphones on
Excalibor [?\]: does not?
mafutrct [-\]: double atari
Excalibor [?\]: ah, i see
Excalibor [?\]: w p5
Blizzard [5k\]: Is there a video broadcast of this game?
Excalibor [?\]: maf: id did look nice enough, though ^^
Gresil [-\]: blizzard, look 15 lines up...
FinFinal [-\]: yes, on EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
MilanMilan [9d\]: p4 looks not a good shape
FinFinal [-\]: I accidentally pasted the wrong link with the reminder, it seems
MilanMilan [9d\]: which will tie b liberty
Blizzard [5k\]: Thanks
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;B[np]C[Pottu [2k\]: if b dies = game over?
vroom [4k\]: b2 bomber jokes incomming
]
;W[mn]C[Gekirin [1d\]: of curse
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;B[pp]C[mafutrct [-\]: oh my
Hanne [3k\]: b better not die this
MilanMilan [9d\]: w has a nice shape now
MilanMilan [9d\]: but it's also have risk
Suvi [1d\]: in antti we trust
Sandmann [-\]: go assu:P
brott: big for black
PeterPan [5d\]: b will win
gjhgj: k10?
Pottu [2k\]: he cannot continue to give up stones for ever...
MilanMilan [9d\]: w is ahead,
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: w free move now
chimbba [1k\]: e14?
brott: m10 
Sandmann [-\]: i wonder, where should w invade top
MilanMilan [9d\]: H10 for instance
brott: is m10 too wide?
Hanne [3k\]: tengen time?
MilanMilan [9d\]: tengen is risky
haltija [-\]: seems sad for w to give up the upper left
LovroKlc [-\]: j10 looks better than tengen to me..
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;W[fc]
;B[ec]C[haltija [-\]: f15
Hanne [3k\]: isn't there a saying "dont make territory with thickness
GoatCheese [1k\]: yes
Excalibor [?\]: yup
Hanne [3k\]: w just remembered that
GoatCheese [1k\]: well
Excalibor [?\]: but it's easier to say it that to follow it, as the temptation is very big ^^
GoatCheese [1k\]: he is a bit commited to making territory with thickness now
GoatCheese [1k\]: considering he is that thick
GoatCheese [1k\]: i dont really understand f17 to be honest
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;W[fe]C[Deejay [2d\]: j10 seemed ok
GoatCheese [1k\]: it does not seem thematic
sixgen [3d\]: w would really like to see a badly placed reduction in the center, otherwise the O13 thickness stays useless
marosgx: indirect moyo reinforement
Munakoiso [5d?\]: is this the first game
Excalibor [?\]: yes
Munakoiso [5d?\]: whoa
Munakoiso [5d?\]: slow dudes
gjhgj: e14
Munakoiso [5d?\]: i thought they started 9.30
Hanne [3k\]: 9.30 which tz
Excalibor [?\]: should black eat l15 (the ladder favors white otherwise) or extend from q7, for example?
Suvi [1d\]: more like 1030 finnish time
vroom [4k\]: they took a short nap
Munakoiso [5d?\]: thats 3 hours from now
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: jouko tänne
mafutrct [-\]: l15 k14 
Excalibor [?\]: mmm
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;B[ig]C[Seagal [2d\]: Yo huomenta Suomi!
vroom [4k\]: not very deep
Hanne [3k\]: nice mooove
Munakoiso [5d?\]: Yo Meijin
vroom [4k\]: j11
Seagal [2d\]: yo!
Munakoiso [5d?\]: sama meno täällä
Munakoiso [5d?\]: pikkuhiljaa heräilyä
Seagal [2d\]: oolrait! Kisakazamooon siitä!
Suteishi [6d\]: heh meijin heräs
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: meijin, katsomoon sieltä!
itepilah [1d\]: looking out the window...
Seagal [2d\]: yep, sain nukuttua ruhtinaalliset 3 tuntia :)
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: riittää hyvin :)
Suteishi [6d\]: mjoo, mäkin oon jollain 5h unilla käynnis
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;W[eb]C[Seagal [2d\]: :)
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;B[db]
;W[ed]
;B[dc]C[Kisakazomo [4d?\]: how much time do the players have left?
Suteishi [6d\]: ja pitäis kohta pelaa. Tulee aika väsynyttä settiä varmaan
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;W[de]C[Hanne [3k\]: bomber coming
FinFinal [-\]: White has 25 minutes, black 36
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;B[bf]C[mafutrct [-\]: bomber would be gote
verymerry [7k\]: 2010??
vroom [4k\]: they have new year in july
FinFinal [-\]: verymerry: The finals are usually in December, but got moved to January
MilanMilan [9d\]: E16 looks heavy, 
Suvi [1d\]: anime character shadow :D
MilanMilan [9d\]: E14 seems better
verymerry [7k\]: okay...anyreason for the move?
Suvi [1d\]: see the stream
Suvi [1d\]: hihi
haltija [-\]: j12 seems fun for w
gjhgj: c13
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;W[ii]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: milan e14 better as doesn't help b and latter if f18 connect got some techniques in the corner?
floating [1k\]: winning move 
gjhgj: w win?
haltija [-\]: b should try an invasion to make this more interesting
vroom [4k\]: invasion at j5?
MilanMilan [9d\]: yes
MilanMilan [9d\]: now w shape looks strange
finity [3k\]: haltija: he could start by saving E4 stones
gooooo [6k\]: B ahead?
]
;B[jk]C[snowman [-\]: depends on the center development
MilanMilan [9d\]: tengen looks better
MilanMilan [9d\]: L10 
vroom [4k\]: l11
gjhgj: l10
Trumelunki [4d\]: e4 stones are not an issue, they are gone
sixgen [3d\]: this seems too deep
]
;W[ki]C[vxc: w needs so little of his moyo to win, cant see b comebacking
apina [1k\]: this looks lazy
MilanMilan [9d\]: h9
itepilah [1d\]: w smiled
MilanMilan [9d\]: time to take everything
vroom [4k\]: m9
]
;B[hk]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: yes^^
vroom [4k\]: oh :)
vxc: w want's to play all or nothing kill game, not good when leading
Uberdude [3d?\]: finfinal, what are those round things on your wall?
GoatCheese [1k\]: is white considering an attack on the top black group?
vxc: yep
Trumelunki [4d\]: now white has to kill something
verymerry [7k\]: n9 ?is what i'd play...however b will likely connect with j13
MilanMilan [9d\]: it's possible
MilanMilan [9d\]: but hard
gjhgj: b looks at d7?
FinFinal [-\]: Uberdude: Decorations, I think they woven from bamboo leaves
vxc: why go allin coinflip while winning?
FinFinal [-\]: hmm or banana leaves
GoatCheese [1k\]: if w could combine an attack or trapping the j13 stone it could be very profitable
Vador [4k?\]: Players seem to have fun
]
;W[kg]C[verymerry [7k\]: k14 
]
;B[hd]C[gjhgj: no need l13
Darchik [3d\]: Antti ja sen erikoisstrategiat Assua vastaan ja tässä lopputulos :P -Namii
Uberdude [3d?\]: now they are skyboxing
Darchik [3d\]: (Minä ja Reino hoidettiin meiän turnauspeli nopeasti alta että päästäis kisakatsomoon!)
gjhgj: m9?
FinFinal [-\]: Antti went to have grab some breakfast
]
;W[gi]C[Suvi [1d\]: dar, onks sieltä tuloksia vielä
Juippi [3d\]: aina ilo matkustaa kauas pelaamaan reinoa vastaan
mof [?\]: damn... finnish is cool :D
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: darchik, did you win?
snowman [-\]: poor breakfast
Darchik [3d\]: Suvi: Mun(Namii) ja Reinon peli päättyi 10 minuutissa, muut pelaa vielä :D*
Darchik [3d\]: 1. kiekka'
Suvi [1d\]: 10 :D
Suvi [1d\]: no, kumpi voitti
MilanMilan [9d\]: L6
vroom [4k\]: 10 minuutissa hehe
Darchik [3d\]: Guess
Darchik [3d\]: :D'
Suvi [1d\]: paha
verymerry [7k\]: When i was on holiday in hungry they said finnish is similar language
verymerry [7k\]: or same tribe
mof [?\]: it is the same language group
Darchik [3d\]: hei meen kattoo mujn päärivalin peliä ;---)
mof [?\]: but far removed
Sandmann [-\]: those are the only 2 languages in that group
]
;B[in]C[Suvi [1d\]: related but not recognizable
mof [?\]: what's lopputulos?
verymerry [7k\]: not slavic, or romanic..so yeah interesting
itepilah [1d\]: horse head
FinFinal [-\]: This game is also broadcast live on EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
MilanMilan [9d\]: nice shape
Gresil [-\]: there are a good dozen languages in the group...
satakieli [1k\]: horse face move
mof [?\]: and what is going to happen in 10 minutes? vodkabreak?
vroom [4k\]: don't call me horse head
mof [?\]: ok, thank you
Vador [4k?\]: Is this a tactic, leaving the board and playing so fast ?
Suvi [1d\]: very, it's fenno-ugric
snorri: let's not go too off-topic, but there are in fact more Uralic languages: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages
Uberdude [3d?\]: Sandmann, estonian too
]
;W[kn]C[snowman [-\]: oh, they are putting effort on style
sixgen [3d\]: it lives with the center group or else..
dendarfi [1d\]: W MUST KILL DOESN T HE ?
]
;B[fm]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: white is very patient in this attack
horstmaria [4d\]: not at alll
vxc: Is Suvi answering Vador's question some 10 lines up? :)
ranchanii [1d\]: go go antti o/
noned [2d\]: assu ftw! :D
Suvi [1d\]: vxc, hehe, no :>
Capital [?\]: b not even looking ?
]
;W[il]C[FinFinal [-\]: he's looking the board from the living room projector :)
GoatCheese [1k\]: I dont think white has to kill to win
FinFinal [-\]: We hid the kibitz so don't worry
GoatCheese [1k\]: black has about 60 points I think
cherisse [-\]: can black back this up? can white really kill? what an interesting game O_O
]
;B[el]
;W[dm]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: White maybe has 30 and he has sente
snowman [-\]: what would be the worry...
]
;B[jl]
;W[gl]
;B[hl]
;W[gm]
;B[gk]
;W[fl]
;B[fk]C[haltija [-\]: g8 not good :\\
GoatCheese [1k\]: white will definitely make profit with k14 as well
]
;W[gn]C[gjhgj: c9
]
;B[go]C[snorri: nosy
verymerry [7k\]: curiousity killed the cat
mafutrct [-\]: m9
finity [3k\]: everything has aimed at saving E4 stones as I said ;)
pupukani [5k\]: whos winning?
snorri: yes, clearly e4 top priority :)
noned [2d\]: the other one
verymerry [7k\]: h9 is't alive ye
verymerry [7k\]: yet*
pupukani [5k\]: no
pupukani [5k\]: 0 eyes
alladin [-\]: b wins
alladin [-\]: 4 corners
mof [?\]: I think this favours black in that it is probably a simpler game for black
GoatCheese [1k\]: I think it is too early to tell who is favored
pupukani [5k\]: around R10 is it big?
Uberdude [3d?\]: no
pupukani [5k\]: or how big
GoatCheese [1k\]: if W can keep sente and keep building points he is doing well
mafutrct [-\]: r10 8 points
mafutrct [-\]: center 50 points
Uberdude [3d?\]: r10 is large yose
Uberdude [3d?\]: no impact on strength or weakness of groups
emerus [4k\]: double gote
GoatCheese [1k\]: well R10 and B11 are both big yose
snorri: how much time do they have?
emerus [4k\]: can't be that large
FinFinal [-\]: Black has 11 minutes, white 27
CptHook [4k?\]: h7?
ikuy [3d\]: emerus, we talk about gote, no double gote
FinFinal [-\]: sorry, vice versa
FinFinal [-\]: White has 11 minutes, black has 27
GoatCheese [1k\]: thanks
]
;W[ip]C[Feelss [6k\]: ^^
Sletty [3k\]: r10 may be about 12 pts i guess
snorri: j4 patient move
Sletty [3k\]: small
mafutrct [-\]: well now i want to see ws answer to n9
emerus [4k\]: gote can be reverse sente too. for people who nitpick
Feelss [6k\]: what is intention of j4
ikuy [3d\]: no, if we say gote, it´s not reverse sente
Feelss [6k\]: ?
mafutrct [-\]: to kill of course
Uberdude [3d?\]: ikuy, double gote is a go term, maybe you just haven't heard of it
ikuy [3d\]: we tak about reverse sente when´t it´s reverse sente
emerus [4k\]: some dont
pupukani [5k\]: whats double gote?
emerus [4k\]: speak for yourself only
ikuy [3d\]: double gote, is it? :O for me double gote is the same as gote
emerus [4k\]: people have strange nitpicks
sixgen [3d\]: I agree with ikuy
emerus [4k\]: . .
Uberdude [3d?\]: to be explicit a gote move is not reverse sente, can say double gote
pupukani [5k\]: reverse sente=gote, but gote is not reverse sente
gjhgj: b alive
GoatCheese [1k\]: j4 seemed a bit slow
mof [?\]: but stolongu
emerus [4k\]: limits blacks options for an eye there or separating l4 group?
Feelss [6k\]: if black alive, black win, if not w
ikuy [3d\]: yeah but double gote is just a focusing
Feelss [6k\]: ?
sixgen [3d\]: "double gote" reads as "gote twice"
]
;B[mk]C[emerus [4k\]: it's just being explicit.
emerus [4k\]: some people nitpick if you arent
ikuy [3d\]: yeah, that´s right sixgen :)
Sandmann [-\]: cut!
ikuy [3d\]: l9 
emerus [4k\]: some people nitpick if you are. just get your underwear on right
emerus [4k\]: ><
mof [?\]: bah, double gote is nothing, I play triple gote *proud*
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: is Assu close to byejumi?
eleiteo [-\]: double got is meaningful when you refer to a move without referring to a specific colour 
FinFinal [-\]: Assu still has 10 mins
eleiteo [-\]: gote*
verymerry [7k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?DoubleGote
GoatCheese [1k\]: I can see why malfutrct suggested M9. 
ikuy [3d\]: A yose position which is gote for both players. Often just called gote. 
GoatCheese [1k\]: it is more thematic wiht building points and attacking than J4 was
ikuy [3d\]: a definition for double gote
ikuy [3d\]: just gote :)
emerus [4k\]: lol
emerus [4k\]: m9 seemed dame
ranchanii [1d\]: what is gote?
GoatCheese [1k\]: how can you call M9 dame?
ikuy [3d\]: l9 
kurii [3k\]: a move that doesnt need to be responded to
emerus [4k\]: as an attack, it's worth something
emerus [4k\]: but it's not making profit
GoatCheese [1k\]: it develops the right side potential and puts more pressure on the black center group
floating [1k\]: m9 o9 or p9 possible ?
Sletty [3k\]: he has to live
GoatCheese [1k\]: it definitely makes profit
verymerry [7k\]: l9 work??
haltija [-\]: b's safe
emerus [4k\]: the profit is on the bottom and left
GoatCheese [1k\]: no
sixgen [3d\]: the problem with using "double gote" to mean "gote" is that now we do not have a term for a gote follow-up of a gote yose move
emerus [4k\]: there was onlys lim chance of making the right big
GoatCheese [1k\]: there is very little profit on the left
emerus [4k\]: kk, your name is goatcheese. nice discussion
emerus [4k\]: no
emerus [4k\]: =)
]
;W[lk]C[gjhgj: b wn
]
;B[ll]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: ahh white will cut
]
;W[kk]C[ikuy [3d\]: this is why I like  more b N8 instead of N9
gjhgj: no use
GoatCheese [1k\]: big
Uberdude [3d?\]: this feels crude
GoatCheese [1k\]: a bit
Uberdude [3d?\]: liberty problems
GoatCheese [1k\]: but it could turn out nicely
Feelss [6k\]: nice game
GoatCheese [1k\]: the N9 stone becomes swallowed maybe
emerus [4k\]: makes j4 feel sort of thoughful
sixgen [3d\]: in a do-or-die fight, crude does not count
emerus [4k\]: white is strong enough to fight with that gorup now
gjhgj: m7
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: N7
Uberdude [3d?\]: indeed sixgen
Uberdude [3d?\]: but it means b will have more to work with to help his group
Uberdude [3d?\]: so messy
verymerry [7k\]: n10 ?
Schwarz [2d?\]: neither m7 or n7 prevents the cut, but yeah white is kind of tight on libs
Trumelunki [4d\]: g5 proved to not improve eye shape
]
;B[hm]C[emerus [4k\]: g5 seems to have fixed the cut
verymerry [7k\]: is n10 good or not?
]
;W[ho]C[emerus [4k\]: n10 is a good trick ;o
emerus [4k\]: white will just protect though
gjhgj: w have forgive
Masgui10k: M10 better ?
Masgui10k: M7
]
;B[hn]
;W[fn]C[dendarfi [1d\]: E11
Masgui10k: C3
]
;B[ej]
;W[ei]
;B[dj]
;W[cj]C[sony [3d?\]: c3 kinda difficult to play :)
]
;B[ck]C[emerus [4k\]: double hane?
sixgen [3d\]: cut :-)
]
;W[bk]C[sixgen [3d\]: no, does not work. 
sixgen [3d\]: the silly cut, i mean
emerus [4k\]: this for sure works
emerus [4k\]: seems cleaner
GoatCheese [1k\]: I wonder if black can make the 2 eyes here
CptHook [4k?\]: b9 a mistake?
emerus [4k\]: games over imo
emerus [4k\]: b9 kills
kurii [3k\]: ha
kurii [3k\]: b9 doesnt kill
]
;B[jj]C[emerus [4k\]: k
]
;W[ji]
;B[lm]C[gjhgj: r9 hehe
]
;W[kl]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: r9 would be too open
GoatCheese [1k\]: for the purpose of building that 
gjhgj: last srugle
emerus [4k\]: black nowhere to run
GoatCheese [1k\]: he will run to the right
emerus [4k\]: and whtie will push him to the top
BS [?\]: l7 k7 k6 n8 ?
]
;B[km]
;W[jm]C[Pottu [2k\]: n 8 cuts
BS [?\]: B is in trouble
]
;B[jn]
;W[ml]C[gogonuts [5d\]: he is almost at peace
]
;B[fi]C[verymerry [7k\]: f11 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: eternal peace
verymerry [7k\]: good
]
;W[fh]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: lol
emerus [4k\]: doesnt work
verymerry [7k\]: but w can stop d9 eye
GoatCheese [1k\]: well put mr. go go nute
GoatCheese [1k\]: nuts*
sixgen [3d\]: I thought these were all ko threats for here..
BS [?\]: B is trying to live locally
sixgen [3d\]: the black attempting to connect to the right stuff, i mean
Caissa [4k\]: n10
Goreon [2d\]: d8 is an eye?
]
;B[gj]C[CptHook [4k?\]: not
BS [?\]: d8 c8 , Gore
Luminous [14k\]: not yet
samowar [2d\]: b has 6 goups, this can't end well:P
]
;W[fj]C[ranchanii [1d\]: ko
]
;B[fo]
;W[eo]
;B[fi]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: well spotted
]
;W[gh]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: lol 
sixgen [3d\]: b wasted half a dozen local threats, so no, not likely to end well
Liisa [2d\]: samowar, good point. Because sixth group is dead. 
GoatCheese [1k\]: even so black has a dozen more local threats
dendarfi [1d\]: ko
CptHook [4k?\]: unfortunatelly no way out ?
Soap [2k\]: Welcome back Milan
]
;B[cl]C[Caissa [4k\]: k5 for black?
CptHook [4k?\]: d8
MilanMilan [9d\]: hi
samowar [2d\]: hi
emerus [4k\]: oh
Caissa [4k\]: hi
jwc [-\]: c8 mistake?
emerus [4k\]: still ko
Trumelunki [4d\]: how is this going to live?
Daniel1987 [6k?\]: hi
Seagal [2d\]: i thoght d8. this is weird
donGoku [3k\]: n7
]
;W[dl]C[pinpingho [-\]: d8 c11 b10 c12
]
;B[ci]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: ah
Trumelunki [4d\]: black looks gone, but maybe I don't see something
]
;W[bj]C[samowar [2d\]: wow
GoatCheese [1k\]: c12
]
;B[ch]C[ikuy [3d\]: ko
pinpingho [-\]: d12
vxc: b want's a ko that's big for both
]
;W[dh]C[emerus [4k\]: white just let b live?
Luminous [14k\]: whos b on kgs again ?
apina [1k\]: Tien
FinFinal [-\]: Tien
Suvi [1d\]: tien
samowar [2d\]: Tien
Luminous [14k\]: k thx
Pische [3k\]: Tien
palleon86 [-\]: tien
Seagal [2d\]: tien!
Luminous [14k\]: ok i understood xD
Seagal [2d\]: :)
mof [?\]: black stones... very very light <:)
pupukani [5k\]: hes tien
vxc: we are the observers who say Tien...
plains [2d\]: what is tien?
Vador [4k?\]: What if B B8 soon ?
Soap [2k\]: Let that burn into your mind :P
Pische [3k\]: ahahah vxc
Excalibor [?\]: this looks bad for b now... 
Liisa [2d\]: Black is the one who beat Catalin Taranu
pinpingho [-\]: b8 c13 b12 b13 a13 a11 a12 d9 
Vador [4k?\]: Nice shirt
haltija [-\]: b should have focused more on survival with those 6 groups
Lechoo [3k\]: imo c13
Vador [4k?\]: Not dead yet
Rassvet [14k\]: d13
pinpingho [-\]: b lose race
Lechoo [3k\]: d13 self-atari
Pische [3k\]: doesn't b8 work?
Liisa [2d\]: Vador, black has six groups. That means that one of them is dead.
Schwarz [2d?\]: either c12 dies or white connects wiht b8
GoatCheese [1k\]: d12 was a very convenient move
Lechoo [3k\]: not work
sixgen [3d\]: pische, looks like w can get enough liberties to capture b8
Soap [2k\]: Empty triangle works?  Aaah!
CptHook [4k?\]: c13 works i think?
CptHook [4k?\]: b8 sorry***
ValerienR [7k\]: is this a live game ?
pinpingho [-\]: d13 e12 b8 c13 b12 b13 a13 a11 a12 d9 
fatihsulak [?\]: thx pinpingho 
Soap [2k\]: Yes, Valeri
Lechoo [3k\]: if w c13 - c12 dead
Suvi [1d\]: valerien, it is
ValerienR [7k\]: xthx
Eranorn [2k?\]: b8 capturing race i think
Vador [4k?\]: I would never play D12 : looks ugly to me :-( But I'm not dan player :-)
Soap [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3 <-- Video of it
Eranorn [2k?\]: but black loses it
]
;B[dg]
;W[eh]C[Rassvet [14k\]: eah)))
]
;B[cg]C[haltija [-\]: how about b8 c13 b12
]
;W[dk]C[snorri: sometimes good moves can look ugly, but it's what inside that counts :)
ValerienR [7k\]: thx soap
haltija [-\]: hmm, too late now
Lechoo [3k\]: and d9 :-)
]
;B[jp]C[samowar [2d\]: black'll go for l11:P
Lechoo [3k\]: d13 e12 b8 - not work :-0
Soap [2k\]: Ah yes, I knew he'd play there.
CptHook [4k?\]: that i was thinking also,  haltija 
DanielTom [-\]: c8 big mistake
Eranorn [2k?\]: b8 then b12 :)
FinFinal [-\]: white in byo-yomi
]
;W[jq]C[Soap [2k\]: Thanks, Fin :)
Lechoo [3k\]: so I prefered c13
FinFinal [-\]: black still has 4:30
Vador [4k?\]: Go clocks different from chess clocks ?
vroom [4k\]: how much is byo yomi?
FinFinal [-\]: 1 minute
Suvi [1d\]: japanese
Sandmann [-\]: 1x 1 minute?
snorri: ing clocks are the best clocks
Excalibor [?\]: Vador: it depends... there are several clock models...
FinFinal [-\]: yes
Sandmann [-\]: go assu
Excalibor [?\]: Vador: we use chess clocks as well, but there are specialized go clocks
Soap [2k\]: Who will be reviewing this game?
Hanne [3k\]: ONE minute on go clock is 3.5 chess minutes
Excalibor [?\]: ing clocks have horrible little buttons to press
Lechoo [3k\]: p8 interesting?
Excalibor [?\]: and annoying voices as well!
CptHook [4k?\]: b12 - c13 eranorn?
Lechoo [3k\]: p7*
Excalibor [?\]: time for b to resign?
GoatCheese [1k\]: it is nearing that time yes
ValerienR [7k\]: they should show pompomgirls on background
Eranorn [2k?\]: b11
Vador [4k?\]: And llamas !
samowar [2d\]: b11 does not work
snorri: traditional finnish llamas
Hanne [3k\]: b wants to try l10 before resign
ikuy [3d\]: I think that N8 for b instead of N9 and this woudn´t have happened!
Vador [4k?\]: Yeah !!!
GoatCheese [1k\]: white patiently choked his prey. not too unlike an Anaconda
vroom [4k\]: finnish pompomgirls or llamas. hard choice
Sandmann [-\]: see this for ingclock: http://picasaweb.google.com/viktor92lin/Awesomeness#5448546366743621394
Vador [4k?\]: Both !
Eranorn [2k?\]: cpthook > b11
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: there should be swans
CptHook [4k?\]: yeah one lib b short...
]
;B[kj]
;W[lj]
;B[li]
;W[mj]C[verymerry [7k\]: That link gave me "error please try again"
MariaOzawa: it's resign time
Sandmann [-\]: damn
Seagal [2d\]: Viktor. It says an error occurred when I try the video :(
Eranorn [2k?\]: yeah w wins the capturing race
Sandmann [-\]: check it tomorrow:p
GoatCheese [1k\]: lol Maria Ozawa?
GoatCheese [1k\]: that is just raunchy
]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]
;B[ff]C[kryft [2d\]: Who plays black? (The android client doesn't show player names)
]
;W[gf]C[Suvi [1d\]: antti on mustilla
]
;B[ef]C[Soap [2k\]: Tien, on KGS, or Antti Tormanen
Hanne [3k\]: kryft, u paid for that client?
GoatCheese [1k\]: black will try to play catch up now I guess
verymerry [7k\]: Tien 9d is b?
kryft [2d\]: Ok, kiitos
FinFinal [-\]: Black is 6s away from byo-yomi
Caissa [4k\]: j14
MariaOzawa: how byo-yomi?
Suvi [1d\]: one minute japanese
]
;W[hf]C[apina [1k\]: white can't have much more time
]
;B[ge]C[kill [-\]: why is w not playing J9?
Uberdude [3d?\]: w o9?
GoatCheese [1k\]: white has about 60-70 points with that center
]
;W[if]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: can black make that up?
pupukani [5k\]: if he makes 2 ponnukis
vroom [4k\]: hehe
]
;B[jf]C[Soap [2k\]: About 20 points short, before komi, no?
]
;W[jg]C[gjhgj: n12?
GoatCheese [1k\]: if he cant keep sente then he is lost in my opinion
fatihsulak [?\]: r10 seems big 
kill [-\]: j)
Excalibor [?\]: can b g13 work?
kill [-\]: J9
GoatCheese [1k\]: his top group is in critical condition
GoatCheese [1k\]: so he has very little time to play other moves
]
;B[kf]C[Excalibor [?\]: no, it cannot...
sixgen [3d\]: kill, that would be gote to kill a dead group.
]
;W[nk]C[FinFinal [-\]: The game is being broadcast live on EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
mof [?\]: o9 = I won?
samowar [2d\]: doh
Uberdude [3d?\]: goodaji
Uberdude [3d?\]: game over
GoatCheese [1k\]: wow...black does have massive top points now though?
CptHook [4k?\]: b should used that stone?
snorri: when is game two?
marosgx: owned
]
;B[kq]C[MariaOzawa: three games?
FinFinal [-\]: 12:30pm GMT, or 2:30pm Finnish time
]
;W[jo]C[Luminous [14k\]: lool maria ozawa
GoatCheese [1k\]: lol
Caissa [4k\]: res
mof [?\]: yeah, and I think this will often be the case with a big group
mof [?\]: there will be aji
mof [?\]: and so atleast black got something
GoatCheese [1k\]: white can p5 here for sente and protect the q6 group
senno [-\]: w is winning right?
kurii [3k\]: looks close
Liisa [2d\]: white won
]
;B[bi]
;W[bl]C[Vador [4k?\]: Not by height ! B about 1 meter taller than W !
AmerBeton [6k\]: close ?
AmerBeton [6k\]: with all b dead in the mid ?
Meditator [-\]: close to big
Uberdude [3d?\]: milans' e14  instead of e16 would have helped w here
kurii [3k\]: yes
GoatCheese [1k\]: white should definitely get p5 in on his next chance
FinFinal [-\]: Antti is sitting on his legs on the chair :)
Suvi [1d\]: you should have played on a goban :)
samowar [2d\]: too much HnG
NWS [8k\]: usual for him :)
]
;B[ie]C[Vador [4k?\]: Clearly W now willing to take no chances
mafutrct [-\]: did you read w p6 cheese?
MariaOzawa: Wish I were there to ease him
Hanne [3k\]: e14 would have made a beautiful move
]
;W[qk]C[AmerBeton [6k\]: big
Vador [4k?\]: Boooommm !
apina [1k\]: huge
Vador [4k?\]: 20 more points
GoatCheese [1k\]: p6 does what?
mafutrct [-\]: p6 tenuki p4
Feelss [6k\]: resign?
Hanne [3k\]: tenuki is like a slap in the face
Seagal [2d\]: wow. nice tenuki
GoatCheese [1k\]: ahhh you mean for white
]
;B[lh]C[mafutrct [-\]: yea thats why i said w :)
GoatCheese [1k\]: sorry i missed it
senno [-\]: maybe p5 for white instead?
Liisa [2d\]: very nice kill by assu... lets see if have new champion
GoatCheese [1k\]: i didnt read it but that would be better shape
mafutrct [-\]: p6 sente and enables s6
mafutrct [-\]: so of course preferable
GoatCheese [1k\]: yes
]
;W[lg]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: if it works i agree
GoatCheese [1k\]: im looking at it now
]
;B[mg]
;W[mh]C[largehc [2k\]: game so over
mafutrct [-\]: by sente i probably mean gote.. i think i misread
]
;B[mi]C[kill [-\]: b can still run in
]
;W[nh]C[AmerBeton [6k\]: ??
]
;B[nj]
;W[mk]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: yea it is hard to read that.
Suvi [1d\]: that side hmm
]
;B[ok]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: if it works then for sure it is a better move
Feelss [6k\]: no way
GoatCheese [1k\]: if not then yea...
Schwarz [2d?\]: white isn''t gonna die.. black has only 4 libs
]
;W[ol]C[Meditator [-\]: desperate style
]
;B[mm]
;W[nl]C[mafutrct [-\]: p6 t9 p4 p5 o2 n2 l2 q2 
AmerBeton [6k\]: ???
]
;B[pl]C[samowar [2d\]: wow:D
]
;W[nm]C[NWS [8k\]: wat happen?
Hawkie [2d\]: triple hane it is
Seagal [2d\]: multihane
largehc [2k\]: im confus
]
;B[pk]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: this is good for black
Sandmann [-\]: assu dude
samowar [2d\]: \\deep
Suvi [1d\]: cool, though i expexted many ataris up there :)
Michi86 [6k\]: resign
Meditator [-\]: o6 should be p6
Liisa [2d\]: r10
samowar [2d\]: deep and sente:D
Vador [4k?\]: Fo W ?
]
;W[qj]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: can get r11 
largehc [2k\]: hey! b has 4 corners! :)
Luminous [14k\]: why not w p10
GoatCheese [1k\]: i think black could have played s10 there maybe
gandhi [?\]: so b should resign
GoatCheese [1k\]: err white
GoatCheese [1k\]: sorry
Meditator [-\]: p10 leaves bad aji
kill [-\]: b wants O11 ofc
kill [-\]: but not possible it seems
AmerBeton [6k\]: p10 sente no ?
]
;B[pj]C[JoK [4k\]: yes
]
;W[ni]C[kill [-\]: P6?
Welvang [6d\]: w+ 15
]
;B[fr]C[Welvang [6d\]: MORE NOW
Welvang [6d\]: oops cap
]
;W[er]C[mafutrct [-\]: s8 for w
Feelss [6k\]: Se says + 28
]
;B[es]
;W[on]C[AmerBeton [6k\]: ...
ranchanii [1d\]: why not p5
mafutrct [-\]: yay for o7
GoatCheese [1k\]: lets see if this works
Meditator [-\]: p5 kill s6 aji...
AmerBeton [6k\]: p5 gote no ?
Welvang [6d\]: s6 aji
mafutrct [-\]: ranchan read above
]
;B[jr]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: at least it gives white k2
]
;W[ir]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: err
Meditator [-\]: what a question from 1d
Liisa [2d\]: if p5, then white will lose R6 and S8
]
;B[ks]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: this is dangerous for black
mafutrct [-\]: no
mafutrct [-\]: standard shape
snowman [-\]: there's no danger if you have lost the game already
verymerry [7k\]: B has 49 pairs whereas w has 44? which means b is winning...???
]
;W[ob]C[verymerry [7k\]: my count must be wrong
]
;B[qa]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: black has a lot of points on top.
samowar [2d\]: w has one group:D
Hanne [3k\]: what pairs mean
]
;W[ka]
;B[ja]C[mof [?\]: pairs of points
mafutrct [-\]: pairs of 2 points
apina [1k\]: snowman, there is no lost game in Finnish Championship finals, you should know 
mafutrct [-\]: and b has less than 49
mafutrct [-\]: far less
GoatCheese [1k\]: hmm
Rassvet [14k\]: k18?
snowman [-\]: this is as close to a lost game as can be
MariaOzawa: k18
GoatCheese [1k\]: he is considering it
GoatCheese [1k\]: but why take the risk
]
;W[la]C[mafutrct [-\]: k18 not working
]
;B[jb]C[satakieli [1k\]: b counting
Meditator [-\]: b cares nothing now :)
Sletty [3k\]: s6 ?
Suvi [1d\]: pempun peli on livenä svenska rummetissa
]
;W[rl]
;B[rm]C[mafutrct [-\]: s6, issue with r11
Fredda [-\]: b wins? 
Sletty [3k\]: s8 bigger than s6 ?
mafutrct [-\]: so better to s8
vroom [4k\]: my SE count is W+27 :)
AmerBeton [6k\]: j1
]
;W[op]C[Gazpacho [2d\]: h6 dead ? 
]
;B[oo]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: here it comes
]
;W[nr]C[mof [?\]: h6 is resting
ikuy [3d\]: yes dead for sre
verymerry [7k\]: 115*to 109??
mafutrct [-\]: merry you know its dead right
Uberdude [3d?\]: q11 gets a nice fre points
GoatCheese [1k\]: the moment of truth
verymerry [7k\]: yeah blacks not that far behind
Gazpacho [2d\]: Wow, don't remember Antti getting crushed this way. 
]
;B[rh]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: umm
mafutrct [-\]: i meant b is dead
verymerry [7k\]: i sn3 dead? now#?
GoatCheese [1k\]: what?
GoatCheese [1k\]: is this
Lacrimosa [?\]: antti hasn't had luck against javier
snowman [-\]: nikkentobi, nikkentobi, nikkentobi spiel ich nie
largehc [2k\]: this is interesting
mafutrct [-\]: someone misread here
GoatCheese [1k\]: he just tenuki o2?
GoatCheese [1k\]: !
Lacrimosa [?\]: although he beat catalin taranu an other strong players
]
;W[sh]C[Suvi [1d\]: snow, kas kun sama soi minullakin päässä
satakieli [1k\]: b can j1 
vxc: b is just looking for a good resignplace
mafutrct [-\]: n2 m2 n1 , i dont see j1 helping much
]
;B[qi]C[MariaOzawa: S11
ikuy [3d\]: n2 m2 n1 q2 
]
;W[mr]C[JoK [4k\]: s11 - s10
mafutrct [-\]: yes then o3
]
;B[lr]C[ikuy [3d\]: p2 
Meditator [-\]: q2
mafutrct [-\]: then j1
ikuy [3d\]: then?
Meditator [-\]: at least create an eye
ikuy [3d\]: p1 
]
;W[js]C[mafutrct [-\]: then atari<<
Meditator [-\]: man
]
;B[is]C[ikuy [3d\]: no
mof [?\]: that was funny
GoatCheese [1k\]: lolo
Sandmann [-\]: dude assu
Meditator [-\]: w doesn't need this ko
]
;W[hs]C[satakieli [1k\]: what was k1  for
ikuy [3d\]: b has liberty in m1 and l2
AmerBeton [6k\]: im not sure this is good
GoatCheese [1k\]: this game is so ridiculous!
GoatCheese [1k\]: I love it
snowman [-\]: lousy technique
MariaOzawa: this is truely a final 
mafutrct [-\]: ah
sixgen [3d\]: byoyomi does this :-)
GoatCheese [1k\]: white wants to completely own blacks face
FinFinal [-\]: Yeah, both players in byo-yomi
AmerBeton [6k\]: mariaozawa ? lol :)
GoatCheese [1k\]: he will not settle for just a victory
ikuy [3d\]: mafutrct, it was good for b
mafutrct [-\]: so n1 q2 p2 p1 m1 ?
samowar [2d\]: b has threats
Meditator [-\]: q2
ikuy [3d\]: q1 
ikuy [3d\]: then q1 
vroom [4k\]: I should sleep since 2 hours and these dudes don't resign...
]
;B[hr]
;W[js]C[verymerry [7k\]: ko ko 
AmerBeton [6k\]: yeah
verymerry [7k\]: l12
AmerBeton [6k\]: ahahhha
MariaOzawa: it's ko time
ikuy [3d\]: what´s time there?
mafutrct [-\]: youre right
ranchanii [1d\]: it is championship game, you don´t resign
]
;B[io]
;W[hp]C[AmerBeton [6k\]: ignore ?
]
;B[is]C[gabs [1d\]: what happen in a tournament if the two players resign in the same time ?
AmerBeton [6k\]: :)
Meditator [-\]: can ignore, indeed
Excalibor [?\]: ignore would be bad
]
;W[ms]C[mafutrct [-\]: probably could ignore
Excalibor [?\]: white's territory is basically in the center
mafutrct [-\]: but no time to read
MariaOzawa: G1
mafutrct [-\]: ignore = still dead...
NWS [8k\]: cool move :D
]
;B[ls]
;W[js]C[Caissa [4k\]: not g1
AmerBeton [6k\]: b so dead
]
;B[ko]C[kill [-\]: b still has huge threats
Excalibor [?\]: yup
chimbba [1k\]: w has too
kill [-\]: eg k12
GoatCheese [1k\]: white has many threats on top i think
]
;W[ln]
;B[is]C[CptHook [4k?\]: b hasnt a decent threats  i guess
AmerBeton [6k\]: g1 :)
Gigot [1k\]: Wr6
Meditator [-\]: m6 really bad...
Sandmann [-\]: why did w take thosse stone
]
;W[je]C[Michi86 [6k\]: both in byo-yomi?
mafutrct [-\]: to make the ko more interesting sandmann
TonyTiger [5d?\]: ..
Liisa [2d\]: k15 nice threat
Excalibor [?\]: ignore?
AmerBeton [6k\]: trade ?
kill [-\]: g1
kill [-\]: ignore
GoatCheese [1k\]: interestingle black has k4
kill [-\]: g1 is sente
mafutrct [-\]: k4
Meditator [-\]: cannot ignore
GoatCheese [1k\]: threatens g4
kill [-\]: sure
kill [-\]: g1 is sente
verymerry [7k\]: l15 k1 k4 
Hawkie [2d\]: Trade, then K4
NWS [8k\]: small threat?
]
;B[ke]
;W[js]C[Michi86 [6k\]: k4 ?
]
;B[jp]C[kill [-\]: b already won the ko
AmerBeton [6k\]: omg
GoatCheese [1k\]: this is just wow
]
;W[lo]C[samowar [2d\]: w owned:D
]
;B[is]C[MariaOzawa: great@
verymerry [7k\]: b still got l12 
GoatCheese [1k\]: white is not owned
AmerBeton [6k\]: oh
AmerBeton [6k\]: my
AmerBeton [6k\]: god
Vador [4k?\]: So what ?
GoatCheese [1k\]: white is going to completely eviscerate black is the plan
snowman [-\]: q2 :)
Meditator [-\]: q2
verymerry [7k\]: q1 a threat
Caissa [4k\]: r6
verymerry [7k\]: for life
]
;W[gs]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: r6
AmerBeton [6k\]: is k5 threat ?
mafutrct [-\]: res
GoatCheese [1k\]: white is completely committed to winning this ko
JoK [4k\]: k5 not
]
;B[ik]C[GoatCheese [1k\]: so it is just a matter of what black can get in compensation
Meditator [-\]: ??
samowar [2d\]: !
DanielTom [-\]: ...
Caissa [4k\]: j9 ??
AmerBeton [6k\]: what ???
Gigot [1k\]: ?
GoatCheese [1k\]: ?????
mafutrct [-\]: -...
MariaOzawa: ???
Eranorn [2k?\]: i really don't get m6 move
GoatCheese [1k\]: ??????????
verymerry [7k\]: ????
DanielTom [-\]: poor Tien
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: lol
sixgen [3d\]: misclick?
Meditator [-\]: b laughs in the face of failure
Uberdude [3d?\]: tien forgot m11 dead
GoatCheese [1k\]: hahaha
samowar [2d\]: :D
Sletty [3k\]: guys what is this ?
NWS [8k\]: wat happen?
GoatCheese [1k\]: black just cracked
]
;W[js]C[AmerBeton [6k\]: misclick ?
GoatCheese [1k\]: good game boys
AmerBeton [6k\]: :)
]
;B[kh]C[snowman [-\]: mushrooms
]
;W[jh]C[chimbba [1k\]: :)
]
;B[is]C[CptHook [4k?\]: eranorn if not w m6 b lives i think
verymerry [7k\]: g4 threat
ranchanii [1d\]: I dont get j9 move
Meditator [-\]: j9 a pass
chimbba [1k\]: yea
mafutrct [-\]: hook thats not the question
GoatCheese [1k\]: j9 was just a terrible move. but it didnt matter
mafutrct [-\]: the question is why w protected in a bad way
ikuy [3d\]: j9 makes more threats
Michi86 [6k\]: g2 `
Zul [6k\]: what if w_g2?
GoatCheese [1k\]: white was not going to let black win that ko
AmerBeton [6k\]: g2 ?
kill [-\]: maybe b was trying to provoke w to make a mistake
]
;W[gr]C[Meditator [-\]: g2 bad
GoatCheese [1k\]: and nothing is big enough to compensate for that loss on bottom
Eranorn [2k?\]: of course ! but why m6 instead of m5 ???
CptHook [4k?\]: you are wrong
DanielTom [-\]: g3 works
DanielTom [-\]: but needs 2 threats
kill [-\]: like this move
samowar [2d\]: b has no threats:(
AmerBeton [6k\]: g3
MariaOzawa: f3
MariaOzawa: g3
Meditator [-\]: g2 provokes tesuji
AmerBeton [6k\]: go g3
mafutrct [-\]: j9 does not create more threats
Meditator [-\]: and w doesn't need it
]
;B[gq]C[kill [-\]: b still has O16
NWS [8k\]: g3
chimbba [1k\]: g3 h3 f1 k1
ikuy [3d\]: well yeah no more :( I don´t knwo what it wwas
]
;W[js]C[mafutrct [-\]: its called mistake
Hanne [3k\]: hmmmmmmmmm
Meditator [-\]: g2 really really bad
Karnesun [6d\]: contract game? D
GoatCheese [1k\]: white can take k4 whenever
GoatCheese [1k\]: so he is ok
samowar [2d\]: but b has no threats
Meditator [-\]: w got lucky coz b ran out of threats
FinFinal [-\]: Black resigns
AmerBeton [6k\]: p1 ?
largehc [2k\]: gg
mafutrct [-\]: fun game
ikuy [3d\]: so OVER`
ikuy [3d\]: ?
mof [?\]: thanks for showing
verymerry [7k\]: what was j9 all about
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: Haha, great show½
pinpingho [-\]: even if white lose ko q11 still win the game
Uberdude [3d?\]: thanks to players and broadcaster, great game
NWS [8k\]: way to go :D !
vroom [4k\]: black resigns with nuclear tesuji
Uberdude [3d?\]: congrats to javier
chimbba [1k\]: yes good game thanks!
vroom [4k\]: thanks finfinal
falloutti [1d\]: second game soon?
Excalibor [?\]: thanks for the relay!
Uberdude [3d?\]: strong kid
blonpina [3k\]: why b is plaing?
Excalibor [?\]: it was a nice way of resigning ;-)
gjhgj: o16
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: thanks FinFinal
Suvi [1d\]: Kiitos kirjaajalle
FinFinal [-\]: Next round will likely be somewhat delaye
FinFinal [-\]: Probably starting at 1pm GMT, 15:00 FInnish time
Suvi [1d\]: ok
chimbba [1k\]: ok
snowman [-\]: ok
ikuy [3d\]: Tien must win that match or otherwise...
Liisa [2d\]: we have new champion
falloutti [1d\]: otherwise we have a new finnish champion =)
ikuy [3d\]: not at 14:30 as what have been promised?
Mo [3d?\]: best of 3
Onmyoji [5d?\]: hi
FinFinal [-\]: ikuy: No, we're eating next so won't be starting in 29 minutes
kurii [3k\]: This happens when Antti doesn't play 3-3
Juippi [3d\]: mutta tästä se hissi lähtee
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