(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship 2010 Final Game 2]PW[Antti Törmänen]PB[Javier-Aleksi Savolainen]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2011-01-15]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[ranchanii [1d\]: go go Antti
Liisa [2d\]: go go Assu
ranchanii [1d\]: grrrrr
Suvi [1d\]: anttiantti \\o/
Liisa [2d\]: Antti voitti jo Catalinin, joten nyt on Assun vuoro voittaa^^
FinFinal [-\]: Varmaan 5 min sisään aloitellaan, voinee eventoida kohta
Suvi [1d\]: eventoin jo
Suvi [1d\]: :)
Suvi [1d\]: pistän kuulutuksen ny kans
Suvi [1d\]: mikäs on streamin urli
FinFinal [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Repacse [?\]: white seems to be leading by the komi
CKarnell [11k\]: umm.. has the game started?
bert [2d\]: lots of smiles
Meditator [-\]: w looks like a girl
Meditator [-\]: except for the upper body :)
bert [2d\]: he should get a haircut
Meditator [-\]: no, the hair is nice i think
FinFinal [-\]: The game begins
Meditator [-\]: i mean he should be more manly 
Stable [1k\]: I know w is 9d on kgs, I don't know b
Meditator [-\]: what's w's acc then?
Suvi [1d\]: white is tien, black is ergoproxy
Michi86 [6k\]: 8d now actually
Stimpack [1k\]: what happened in the first round?
Michi86 [6k\]: and B is 6dan iirc
Meditator [-\]: thx Suvi
Sandmann [-\]: go assu
GoShinobi [-\]: I want to see a funny fuseki by assu !
GoShinobi [-\]: go go 
Suvi [1d\]: stim, javier won the first one
Sandmann [-\]: i am assu's guitar tuner~
Stable [1k\]: no, tien 9d right now
Repacse [?\]: first guess q16 
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;B[dd]C[GoShinobi [-\]: ahh no 
gooooo [6k\]: r3?
Repacse [?\]: well, wrong corner
bert [2d\]: ha
GoShinobi [-\]: not really funny yet 
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;W[dp]C[GoShinobi [-\]: ^^
vitaleen [6k\]: whats taht match?
FinFinal [-\]: Repacse: you we're right, but I'm on a wrong side
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;B[qd]C[Repacse [?\]: ah right
gooooo [6k\]: stream is 30sec behind :D
Sandmann [-\]: we are 30 sec ahead
Suvi [1d\]: missä on lounaskuvat!
gooooo [6k\]: sand, so we see stuff that haven't happend yet!
gooooo [6k\]: nice
chimbba [1k\]: b plays chinese?
GoShinobi [-\]: lol assu need a lot of sugar
Suvi [1d\]: ei näy kyllä kyltit vieläkään :(
FinFinal [-\]: Suvi: unohtui, tuli vaan ruuanjämäkuvat
Suvi [1d\]: eiiiii
Stable [1k\]: we're in the future!
Suvi [1d\]: maailmani romahti juuri :(
gooooo [6k\]: so we are in the future rather than the camera in the past
gooooo [6k\]: its nice:D
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;W[qq]C[gooooo [6k\]: sansan, not surprised!
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;B[jd]C[Sandmann [-\]: i predict w q6
Suvi [1d\]: kas
Stable [1k\]: hrm, I wonder if b has been reading w's blog
Sandmann [-\]: k16?
GoShinobi [-\]: i would too sandy ,but 
GoShinobi [-\]: whats this 
selocan: what is the score of first round?
gooooo [6k\]: missplace?
Suvi [1d\]: selo, javier won
Uberdude [3d?\]: weird
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;W[pj]C[Vandraren [4k\]: by resign
Sandmann [-\]: c'est quoi 
Repacse [?\]: 3 hoshis for black
gooooo [6k\]: its the double high chinese
chimbba [1k\]: d10
gooooo [6k\]: repacse, only 2 :D
FinFinal [-\]: hmm, sorry
GoShinobi [-\]: lol 
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;AE[jd]AB[kd]C[Sandmann [-\]: nepal fuseki
GoShinobi [-\]: I already thought whats going on 
kenshinlt [1k\]: lol
Repacse [?\]: oh man, only 1
Repacse [?\]: sorry too
GoShinobi [-\]: q13 ?
gooooo [6k\]: d10?
GoShinobi [-\]: or o4 ?
Suvi [1d\]: saadaanko vikan siirron täppä näkyviin takas
Sandmann [-\]: stop editing
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;B[jq]C[GoShinobi [-\]: sandy not so rude
Suvi [1d\]: thanks
FinFinal [-\]: Does it work now?
Sandmann [-\]: good boy
GoShinobi [-\]: be nicer
Sandmann [-\]: :P
ranchanii [1d\]: kauheen värinen kauluspaita
gooooo [6k\]: white looks frustrated
Suvi [1d\]: ..kä ole
Repacse [?\]: this already looks like it's gonna be a fighting game
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;W[cf]
;B[fd]
;W[bd]C[selocan: every game is a fighting game in tournaments
Gay [5d\]: kenellä
Suvi [1d\]: i never know when this slide is ajikeshi and when not
Suvi [1d\]: when it's good to slide to the corner and when to keep it untouched and see later
ikuy [3d\]: did pempu won his game?
Sandmann [-\]: it depends on your plan
Suvi [1d\]: no
ikuy [3d\]: lost by how much?
Suvi [1d\]: 10 or so
ikuy [3d\]: okay thanks
Gay [5d\]: b16 is almost always good move
bert [2d\]: yes, i kinda not like this slide too
igk: are they playing to 3 wins
igk: ?
FinFinal [-\]: 2 wins
Suvi [1d\]: best of three games
FinFinal [-\]: best out of three
Gay [5d\]: 1-0 for assu now?
Suvi [1d\]: yes
ikuy [3d\]: y
hhikaru [8k\]: C17 is casual answer here but does it worth enough point ? 
bibbeli [?\]: kumpi on assu?
Suvi [1d\]: musta
Suvi [1d\]: assu tulee aleksista
Stable [1k\]: Which one is assu?
ranchanii [1d\]: black
zife [-\]: black
Stable [1k\]: thx
selocan: black is considering either c12 or c13
Gay [5d\]: i dont think so
GoShinobi [-\]: i dont like c13 here
Gay [5d\]: c17 or e13
Gay [5d\]: or c6
ranchanii [1d\]: tenuki?
GoShinobi [-\]: he did q12
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;B[ph]C[bibbeli [?\]: c6 wouldn't hurt k3?
Gay [5d\]: no
ikuy [3d\]: how not?
ranchanii [1d\]: p5 
Gay [5d\]: why would it hurt black?
ikuy [3d\]: c6 f3 b4 c3 c9 m3 ?
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;W[nj]C[Gay [5d\]: k3 is strong
ikuy [3d\]: after that?
mooooo [5k\]: b plays power go
Gay [5d\]: yes
ikuy [3d\]: hmm
Prodigious [4d\]: c6 f3 c13 would be a more likely sequence anyway
ikuy [3d\]: okay
ikuy [3d\]: w not that strong after b b3
ikuy [3d\]: so both running together :)
GoShinobi [-\]: o4
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;B[mq]C[GoShinobi [-\]: ah almost
verymerry [7k\]: ?? they play twice??
ranchanii [1d\]: I dont like o10 because r3 is low
mooooo [5k\]: maybe trice
GoShinobi [-\]: but o4 more stylish
verymerry [7k\]: or more than twice?
Suvi [1d\]: best of three
verymerry [7k\]: nigiri each time?
Repacse [?\]: so far the stones have not touched each other, looks more like dancing
Sandmann [-\]: like ninjas
Suvi [1d\]: first was nigiri
Suvi [1d\]: i think this is just reversed
verymerry [7k\]: so...what they alternative
Suvi [1d\]: and third nigiri again
verymerry [7k\]: alternate!
Suvi [1d\]: if needed
verymerry [7k\]: ok 3rd nigiri..if needed
FinFinal [-\]: Suvi: good to know, I didn't know third would be nigiri
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;W[oq]C[Suvi [1d\]: i don't either :)
ikuy [3d\]: in nigiri, who takes the more stones?
Suvi [1d\]: just how i thought it'd be
Sandmann [-\]: if there will be a third!
GoShinobi [-\]: haha sandy
Suvi [1d\]: ikuy, white, the older player
kurii [3k\]: Usually the older
ranchanii [1d\]: ofcourse there will be
verymerry [7k\]: so you're feeding me a pack of lies suvi?
ikuy [3d\]: okay ty :) but why not the older always ^^
Suvi [1d\]: excuse me?
ikuy [3d\]: *white
ranchanii [1d\]: Antti will win both games \\o/
Sandmann [-\]: go assu
Suvi [1d\]: i believe there'll be a third game
ikuy [3d\]: g3 
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;B[cn]C[GoShinobi [-\]: i hope this one antti will win and third assu again 
GoShinobi [-\]: muahaha
bibbeli [?\]: kurii: who forms four ponnukis on an empty board faster. Disrupting your opponent is permitted. Violence is permitted only to a degree.
Sandmann [-\]: ok too
Suvi [1d\]: nah, antti will take this and the next
bibbeli [?\]: hc-nigiri
kurii [3k\]: :)
ggm [2d\]: It's pretty boring so far.  Neither wants to get bloody.
kurii [3k\]: not after last game
Sandmann [-\]: p3 is a preparation for the blood
GoShinobi [-\]: will the third game be played today ?
ikuy [3d\]: ggm not boring at all
chimbba [1k\]: it looks like a mess to me
Gay [5d\]: they dont look to play too serious
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;W[gq]C[ikuy [3d\]: goshinobi, tomorrow (if needed)
Werfeus [4d\]: no.. this fuseki has all the potential for a big fight..
verymerry [7k\]: javie top look so secure
Repacse [?\]: and the dance continues
GoShinobi [-\]: oh ok 
Suvi [1d\]: go, tomorrow at 9 gmt
chimbba [1k\]: top looks secure? it's not
ggm [2d\]: its tippy toe go
Goverplay [2k\]: c10?
Stable [1k\]: they're dance-fighting!
mooooo [5k\]: top far away from secure
Sandmann [-\]: c13
jnalanko [3k\]:  white p16 and the peace is gone
Uberdude [3d?\]: g3 interesting
ranchanii [1d\]: c12 now
Uberdude [3d?\]: if f3 b can happily c13, but now w is threatening to make a big corfner to c3 is locally the move
chimbba [1k\]: maybe b4...
bibbeli [?\]: /me votes n5
Uberdude [3d?\]: b4 is bad here
Uberdude [3d?\]: w gets more corner than with f3
chimbba [1k\]: ok...
Redjoker [4d\]: ...
GoShinobi [-\]: b should start fighting now 
GoShinobi [-\]: c13 or something 
verymerry [7k\]: o17
bert [2d\]: except for upper right pretty low game this
bibbeli [?\]: wouldn't c13 just make top easier for white
jnalanko [3k\]: c3 or c12
pro5kyu [4k\]: c13 
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;B[ch]C[jnalanko [3k\]: i was right!
Suvi [1d\]: uu, 238 observers
chimbba [1k\]: c17
verymerry [7k\]: Czech, dutch and finnish champs all going on atm
verymerry [7k\]: quite a lot
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;W[cc]C[Zhibo29 [13k\]: lol
Uberdude [3d?\]: tomorrow british champ game too
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;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[df]
;W[dg]C[verymerry [7k\]: busy few days then 
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;B[cg]C[bert [2d\]: is there also a video stream of czech game?
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;W[bf]C[Suvi [1d\]: no, it's not working
FinFinal [-\]: The game is also being broadcast in EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
gjhgj: e13
Uberdude [3d?\]: laddder is dangerous, w likey harass lower group
Nicl22 [2k\]: FinFinal Is that the lame website you need to sign up for to be able to watch a stream?
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;B[ef]C[FinFinal [-\]: Nicl22: Yes.
Suvi [1d\]: eurogotv is not lame
Nicl22 [2k\]: Okay, thank you.
Nicl22 [2k\]: Eurogotv is not lame, thank very much for relaying the game here.
noned [2d\]: doesnt o10 negate this b influence?
verymerry [7k\]: signing up never hurt anyone...
FinFinal [-\]: I think it might be due to the infrastructure they are using (ustream), it might require that external sites cannot broadcast unless logging in is required
ranchanii [1d\]: very easy to register, just login name and email, thats it
Nicl22 [2k\]: FinFinal: that would be a good explanation, but it is not the case. 
bibbeli [?\]: verymerry: but it deters watchers. Every place needs a registration just for the sake of it
FinFinal [-\]: Nicl22: Ah, ok :)
Suvi [1d\]: you needed to register here too, remember
Uberdude [3d?\]: you can hack a ustream url to watch it =)
bibbeli [?\]: at least i wont bother to go to 10minutemail.com, wait for confirmation email, confirm, login, watch
verymerry [7k\]: guests can talk and play
verymerry [7k\]: here
kuru [7k?\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eurogotv3s-show
Uberdude [3d?\]: d8 ?
ggm [2d\]: anybody know what is Komi in this game?
Werfeus [4d\]: 6,5
Suvi [1d\]: the usual 6.5
ranchanii [1d\]: 6.4
ggm [2d\]: thanks much
Nicl22 [2k\]: thank you kuru, that works much better
Tasky [1d\]: komi=2π
Vandraren [4k\]: teatime?
FinFinal [-\]: Yeah
verymerry [7k\]: lol got a nexus phone advert from that link...but after waiting through that you get the game
Nicl22 [2k\]: komi 3exp(1)
hhikaru [8k\]: 8.15 komi ? xD
verymerry [7k\]: ?
verymerry [7k\]: rules here say 6.5
kostuek [-\]: w should do some power up
hhikaru [8k\]: He said komi 3exp(1),  3exp(1)=8.15 -_-
blurb: komi 6+x, 0<x<1
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;W[cp]C[Werfeus [4d\]: antti reminds me of zeijst..
verymerry [7k\]: oh mathematic..joke...right...
Sandmann [-\]: it must be his haircut
Nicl22 [2k\]: Her Mr Sandmann
Nicl22 [2k\]: hey
verymerry [7k\]: Wheres w gone
verymerry [7k\]: to get another tea?
Sandmann [-\]: ho
Nicl22 [2k\]: Bring me a dream, pom pom pom pom
ranchanii [1d\]: invasion at q8 
FinFinal [-\]: Both players have 73 minutes time
shneezin [-\]: e6
verymerry [7k\]: Does black have to wait for w to get back before he can play?
Structured [3k\]: r8 or p17
kostuek [-\]: no
FinFinal [-\]: verymerry: No
Lodurr [1d?\]: what are overtime settings?
uoiuoiiu: final is 2 of 3 games, or 3 of 5?
FinFinal [-\]: 1min byo-yomi, 1 period
yuuki [5k\]: 2 of 3
LazyDragon [3k\]: just play and hit the clock - there are enough people around to watch that you didn't cheat :)
Nicl22 [2k\]: I'm cheering for Antti
Nicl22 [2k\]: he's a very friendly guy
Uberdude [3d?\]: i think w is ahppy
Sandmann [-\]: d18 fast
noned [2d\]: assu ftw!!!
Uberdude [3d?\]: 3 corners
kostuek [-\]: i think w is toast right now
shneezin [-\]: why d18 fast ?
shneezin [-\]: its just an exchange or not ?
verymerry [7k\]: more like making toast to go with his cup of tea
ggm [2d\]: shoot, this is like watching paint dry.
Sandmann [-\]: w f18 is too big
Sandmann [-\]: i thought antti was gonna play there immediately:p
Deejay [2d\]: who win first game?
Suvi [1d\]: javier
Lodurr [1d?\]: Javier
Excalibor [?\]: weird fuseki
jnalanko [3k\]: too many good moves, need to put them in some order
kenshinlt [1k\]: how many round?
Excalibor [?\]: nod
Nicl22 [2k\]: ah B cheated in this game. He moved K16 to L16 before he played at K3
Excalibor [?\]: lol
verymerry [7k\]: cheating doesn't matter...as long as you don't get caught
bibbeli [?\]: cheating is ok if game recorder backs you up
Nicl22 [2k\]: Then it doesn't matter to other people. But you still cheated
LazyDragon [3k\]: what about e6? - w doesn't really have a good answer to that one
Nicl22 [2k\]: which may matter to oyu
Nicl22 [2k\]: to oyu
Nicl22 [2k\]: LazyDragon: my instinct says white would go to work to destroy the territory in the top side
ranchanii [1d\]: e6 g5 
kostuek [-\]: e6 too lazy
haltija [-\]: w likes corners so maybe b should close the upper right
ranchanii [1d\]: invasion at q8 i the best move
bert [2d\]: is r10 to be considered here?
LazyDragon [3k\]: true, ranchanii
shneezin [-\]: lol
Nicl22 [2k\]: I don't know if Q8 is the best mve
shneezin [-\]: strong 1d and 3k know the best move
Nicl22 [2k\]: N3 is also a weak group
LazyDragon [3k\]: but q8 is too close to q10 for comfort ...
shneezin [-\]: n3 not weak
jnalanko [3k\]: n5, o12, p16 or something on the left
fernobob [3k\]: p17 seems more appropriate than p16
kostuek [-\]: maybe d18 sente enough
haltija [-\]: those two stones at the lower side might get in trouble if b invades so early
Zairex [1k\]: d18 seems not sente
donGoku [3k\]: p16?
bibbeli [?\]: move your stones
hhikaru [8k\]: w C4 prepare some move on the left side no ?
FinFinal [-\]: I'm guessing O12
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;B[nh]C[kostuek [-\]: ^^
jnalanko [3k\]: nailed it
FinFinal [-\]: Oh my gosh, what do I know!
Zairex [1k\]: :D
LazyDragon [3k\]: i was about to suggest m10 ...
LazyDragon [3k\]: but i guess it would have destroyed the black upper side
ikuy [3d\]: haha only 19 players in KGS-plus event, before the admin kicked everyone, there was 73
bibbeli [?\]: why?
bibbeli [?\]: revolution?
haltija [-\]: money
Extispex [5k\]: ego
floating [1k\]: 5 first minutes free and after that for plus members ? 
ikuy [3d\]: ye
bibbeli [?\]: a ha
ikuy [3d\]: I think that was still less than 5 minutes, like 2
floating [1k\]: heh
jnalanko [3k\]: this is better than kgsplus
shneezin [-\]: shit it was very interesting 
ikuy [3d\]: dinechtein talkes about attacking there, with contact, bad idea
ikuy [3d\]: *talked
ranchanii [1d\]: language
bibbeli [?\]: colour coded kibitz would be useful. It would make it easier to see what is nickname, rank and message, and distinguish messages from each other
bibbeli [?\]: :u kgs+, have easier to read user interface
krakengo [1d?\]: never suggest a feature, you'll only get more frustration
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;W[dj]C[bibbeli [?\]: haha
bibbeli [?\]: i forgot kgs follows apple-philosofy. Feature minimalism is the way to go
krakengo [1d?\]: not really
bibbeli [?\]: any extra buttons will confuse a user
krakengo [1d?\]: lazy way
eatramen [9k\]: helllo everyone!
ranchanii [1d\]: ...
eatramen [9k\]: who won the 1st game?
zife [-\]: assu
Lodurr [1d?\]: javier
yuuki [5k\]: ergo
ranchanii [1d\]: javier
eatramen [9k\]: niceeeee
bibbeli [?\]: kraken: probably. But wms also did not accept those patches to be made by a 3rd party :$
falloutti [1d\]: bibbeli, who cares?
falloutti [1d\]: about kgs - apple policies
falloutti [1d\]: could we focus on the game :D
bibbeli [?\]: falloutti: your socks
erf [?\]: how much time do they have?
ikuy [3d\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_CRbbHzT0Q
krakengo [1d?\]: ok, well w made an interesing move
ikuy [3d\]: long music
LazyDragon [3k\]: b upper corner is harder to invade than w moyo - b seems to have an advantage in that game
watayasu [4k\]: e11
krakengo [1d?\]: C6 to C4 ends up good for w exchange
jnalanko [3k\]: white d7 almost eliminates the black stone
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;B[eh]
;W[fj]C[ranchanii [1d\]: b10 
erf [?\]: how much time left pls?
krakengo [1d?\]: if b resists on the side,
verymerry [7k\]: black going to get huge top
krakengo [1d?\]: w gets influence to invade the top successfully
floating [1k\]: as javier killed antti's invasion in the last game, w might feel discomfort having to invade again ?
haltija [-\]: w still has those two stones to attack
bibbeli [?\]: pressure to overplay
bibbeli [?\]: :U
watayasu [4k\]: b10
krakengo [1d?\]: that would be submissive
eatramen [9k\]: dream theater is awesome
anathema [5k\]: do you finns have a particular love of go? 
Zhibo29 [13k\]: time left anyone?
Suteishi [6d\]: anathema, yes
ranchanii [1d\]: I hate go
eatramen [9k\]: link to stream?
Suteishi [6d\]: our mission is to beat korea this year
anathema [5k\]: how come? so many finnish players, seems like
anathema [5k\]: hehe
illa [3k\]: there are greater bands than dream theatre
eatramen [9k\]: namley?
FinFinal [-\]: White has 69 minutes, black 55
illa [3k\]: in prog?
krakengo [1d?\]: yes for instance
eatramen [9k\]: not greater, maybe on the same level but i wouldnt say greater
eatramen [9k\]: between the buried and me is amazing
illa [3k\]: ayreon
eatramen [9k\]: link to stream please
bibbeli [?\]: anathema: sure. Go is a fun game. Riichi is a fun game. And riding enduro is a fun sport.
krakengo [1d?\]: b has the ladder
silwyr [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
eatramen [9k\]: thanks
kostuek [-\]: e9?
Zairex [1k\]: seki
illa [3k\]: hard choice for b
ranchanii [1d\]: b can´t let white have two sides
krakengo [1d?\]: b should try a light move
Booster [3k\]: i prefer B game
gandhi [?\]: i prefer white
Excalibor [?\]: would a move coordinated with c6 be bad right now?
Booster [3k\]: I think B will win
Uberdude [3d?\]: i think b has a hard game since he chose gote joseki at top and w got c45
Booster [3k\]: c6 stone is a problem
Booster [3k\]: the only one
krakengo [1d?\]: like G7
pinpingho [-\]: white feels more efficient up to now
kasuaali [30k?\]: Booster, so you think Assu will become champion today?
Booster [3k\]: I would let c6
Suteishi [6d\]: top right corner not a problem to invade 
illa [3k\]: i'd play near n3
yuuki [5k\]: Something along c8 and then f6 is bad for B ?
bert [2d\]: c45 an overplay
Suteishi [6d\]: yuuki, makes a heavy shape
krakengo [1d?\]: just F6 then
yuuki [5k\]: I see, thank you, suteishi
watayasu [4k\]: c6 is  alone 
Suteishi [6d\]: also bad imo
Booster [3k\]: I'd play around c10
chimbba [1k\]: okay, play p16 and cross fingers
ranchanii [1d\]: f5 
Booster [3k\]: then cut
Suteishi [6d\]: B can't run with C6 directly
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;B[db]C[krakengo [1d?\]: but i'd go for G7 somehow
Suteishi [6d\]: because of K3
Booster [3k\]: then see what trouble happens
Suteishi [6d\]: if B runs he will get split and most likely 1 side dies
pinpingho [-\]: c11
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;W[bj]C[uoiuoiiu: B10 is good?
Booster [3k\]: fight around c10 may make c6 alive
uoiuoiiu: looks interesting but not sure
Booster [3k\]: yes b10 is good
Suteishi [6d\]: B10 huge sente if B takes it
watayasu [4k\]: f6
Booster [3k\]: because of what I said before :)
Uberdude [3d?\]: d18 is too late
Uberdude [3d?\]: very nice from white
krakengo [1d?\]: agree
watayasu [4k\]: g6
pinpingho [-\]: c6 has to move now
Uberdude [3d?\]: d18 should have been after c4 as some said
chimbba [1k\]: b stones feel lonely
Ashh: f8
pinpingho [-\]: if w capture it it's way too big
Booster [3k\]: just hoping top group not in danger 
Suvi [1d\]: it can still connect or live or both
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;B[kh]C[Booster [3k\]: so now i guess b11 then attack weak group
krakengo [1d?\]: w is good now
Suteishi [6d\]: hoho, time to go in
uurtamo [12k?\]: L12 is pretty sexy.
chimbba [1k\]: b optimistic...
ikuy [3d\]: m18 
kostuek [-\]: l12 some shusaku style?^^
Suteishi [6d\]: killing W P17 is no easy task
watayasu [4k\]: r17
krakengo [1d?\]: why not R17
mooooo [5k\]: p17 now or never
Suteishi [6d\]: R17 and B lets you live small in corner
Suteishi [6d\]: gaining all that territory
Suteishi [6d\]: i don't like that
]
;W[qf]C[watayasu [4k\]: l17
mooooo [5k\]: wow
mooooo [5k\]: r14?
watayasu [4k\]: s12
mooooo [5k\]: r14 for aji for r17?
eatramen [9k\]: r14 looks cool
Suvi [1d\]: for "let's see" maybe :)
AmonAmarth [4d\]: q15 ? 
pinpingho [-\]: doesn't look good to me
eatramen [9k\]: lol
pinpingho [-\]: black can just q14
haltija [-\]: the corner or connection is the idea
pinpingho [-\]: white connecting back isn't a big deal
illa [3k\]: r10?
kostuek [-\]: isnt that a bit small?
uh7uh66u7: s12 only move
Zairex [1k\]: if white gets connection he also gets base for q10.
jnalanko [3k\]: s12 and then some reading contest
Gresil [-\]: may this not backfire and let black sneak into the r7 area?
Uberdude [3d?\]: r12 q16 q17 r17 is aim i think
dxxd [1k\]: why not r13?
pinpingho [-\]: it's urgent to save c6 so a sente is important
Suvi [1d\]: gresil, that's not territory yet, just a framework
ranchanii [1d\]: no touching
Booster [3k\]: it's urgent to abandon c6
ikuy [3d\]: q16 
Gresil [-\]: that's what i meant, suvi - the q10 stones aren't connected anywhere.
ranchanii [1d\]: r11 
pinpingho [-\]: b must save c6
Ashh: s12
Suvi [1d\]: they're not in any danger either
watayasu [4k\]: s12
ikuy [3d\]: q16 seems good now
Suvi [1d\]: black won't have time for everything anyway
pinpingho [-\]: because if the stone just die like that it's way too big
pinpingho [-\]: also b13 is sente
Booster [3k\]: b must let c6 die peacefuly
pinpingho [-\]: saving the c6 stone would threaten d10 grouyp
pinpingho [-\]: c6 is a key stone
Booster [3k\]: g5 instead
pinpingho [-\]: it can't be sac
eatramen [9k\]: c6 stone is private ryan
watayasu [4k\]: c6  is suteisi  g5
pinpingho [-\]: g5 e6 the stone die without trying 
Ashh: is r14 chuck norris of go then
Booster [3k\]: what is "suteisi" pls ?
Uberdude [3d?\]: c6 itself is not so key
albundy [1k\]: Private Ryan should have been sacrificied.   Tom Hanks died needlessly.
Uberdude [3d?\]: could sac it to attack f10
zife [-\]: it's a stone you can cast away
Uberdude [3d?\]: e.g. e8
Booster [3k\]: tnx
eatramen [9k\]: @albundy hahahaha
Uberdude [3d?\]: b is happy if w then d8
zife [-\]: also commonly suteishi
jnalanko [3k\]: i thought suteishi is under the stones
zife [-\]: nope
dxxd [1k\]: what's the time situation?
krakengo [1d?\]: make w pay
krakengo [1d?\]: with S12
Booster [3k\]: 90 each
Sandmann [-\]: suteishi is throwing away stone
FinFinal [-\]: White has 67 minutes, black 41
kostuek [-\]: b will chose r12 i quess
zife [-\]: you're probably thinking of ishi no shita
Zairex [1k\]: stone is ishi?
Sandmann [-\]: yes
zife [-\]: yeah
floating [1k\]: suteru = to throw away, to cast aside, to abandon, to resign, to break up with (someone) and ishi = stone 
Booster [3k\]: has B gone the toilet ?
chimbba [1k\]: pondering
Booster [3k\]: with small goban
FinFinal [-\]: No, hopefully not as they sit right here
kaakaka: nantekotta
Sandmann [-\]: his mind went to toilet
Booster [3k\]: R11
Booster [3k\]: let wh invade
ranchanii [1d\]: r11 p17 
FinFinal [-\]: The game is broadcast live on EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
Booster [3k\]: who cares about territory ?
Booster [3k\]: lets play go
LazyDragon [3k\]: q15 and then take sente?
Suvi [1d\]: it is about territory you know :>
Henull [14k\]: how about something completely random? c3?
Booster [3k\]: no way
cherisse [-\]: wow they really taking time
Booster [3k\]: it's about fight
kostuek [-\]: random alwaxs good
Suvi [1d\]: booster, still the one with most territory always wins somehow ;)
floating [1k\]: 捨て石(suteishi)= (in the game of go) a sacrificed stone; ornamental garden stone
ranchanii [1d\]: how weird is that
chimbba [1k\]: q14
Henull [14k\]: didn't the proverb say "When in doubt, do something random"
Booster [3k\]: territory is a poor excuse for fighting
Suvi [1d\]: now we're talking
ranchanii [1d\]: just q14 and thats it
kostuek [-\]: c3 maybe too random at all
ikuy [3d\]: q16 q16 q16 q16 q16 q16 
Booster [3k\]: q14 is submissive
Booster [3k\]: fight fight fight
smartrobot [9d\]: does each player have 1.5 hours in total? or there's byo-yomi time?
LazyDragon [3k\]: 1 min byo
FinFinal [-\]: R14 strong move from time standpoint, black has thought about it over 10 minutes :)
Lodurr [1d?\]: 1*60 sec
zife [-\]: 90 minutes + 1 min byouyomi
FinFinal [-\]: White now has 67 minutes, black 36
haltija [-\]: blocking the connection can't be bad now
smartrobot [9d\]: thanks
LazyDragon [3k\]: you can always look this up under option->game info -> rules
smartrobot [9d\]: b hasnt played one move since i came to watch =o
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;B[pf]C[chimbba [1k\]: smartrobot what do you think about the situation here?
gandhi [?\]: very carefully placed stone, this one
smartrobot [9d\]: i think w invasion direction is strange, but it is still early
goren2 [8k\]: p17
watayasu [4k\]: r17
eatramen [9k\]: this robot is too smart
chimbba [1k\]: now 30min think from w...
smartrobot [9d\]: =o
LazyDragon [3k\]: this w move starts to look a bit silly now ...
Booster [3k\]: agree
LazyDragon [3k\]: is there some kind of aji, using this stone to build a living group in the o17 area?
Booster [3k\]: wh shd run and fight now
]
;W[oc]C[Lodurr [1d?\]: it's most obvious answer, Antti had to know what he will play after it
Booster [3k\]: yes !!!
agonybear [2d\]: who win the first game?
Booster [3k\]: i thought Q16
Lodurr [1d?\]: javier
zife [-\]: assu won the first game
agonybear [2d\]: thanks
chimbba [1k\]: q17
Booster [3k\]: P17 too far from R14
goren2 [8k\]: maybe n17?
floating [1k\]: r17
Zairex [1k\]: if w lives here somwhat easily it would seem that r14 q14 was good exchange
]
;B[pc]C[mooooo [5k\]: looks impossible to life with p17 for my kyu eyes
LazyDragon [3k\]: lots of though put into a move that would have been played in any 10 sec blitz ^^
LazyDragon [3k\]: *thought
eatramen [9k\]: s16!
fairgo1 [3d\]: Who's assu?
eatramen [9k\]: black
eatramen [9k\]: ergoproxy
Sandmann [-\]: go assu
fairgo1 [3d\]: AH
Booster [3k\]: what rank are they ?
FinFinal [-\]: see player info
FinFinal [-\]: white 6 dan, black 5 dan
Booster [3k\]: it's the right one, ok tnx
slim76 [3d\]: 9d and 6d kgs
Gay [5d\]: over ranked 9d tho
Booster [3k\]: its a real pity one cant review the game
fgfgbfbf: Javier-Aleksi won the last time they played?
floating [1k\]: can w create equally big territory in the bottom if he discards this invasion plan
Sandmann [-\]: view offline, nooster
]
;W[mc]C[Sandmann [-\]: b*
Gay [5d\]: antti is probably 7-8d level in kgs
Deejay [2d\]: what is javier nick on kgs?
]
;B[lb]C[eatramen [9k\]: ergoproxy
ranchanii [1d\]: ergoproxy
LazyDragon [3k\]: w has roughly one eye ...
mooooo [5k\]: antii is Tien 8d on kgs at the moment imo
chimbba [1k\]: looks very hard for w
FinFinal [-\]: Antti is Tien in KGS, 8-9dan
eatramen [9k\]: he said in his opinion
LazyDragon [3k\]: w q18 any good?
Deejay [2d\]: w in trouble
Capital [?\]: how are they for time?
eatramen [9k\]: meaning he doesnt believe tien is 9d
Booster [3k\]: why isnt KGS rank aligned on real rank ?
haltija [-\]: sometimes people seem more interested in the rank than the game
eatramen [9k\]: it's based on the pool of players which is us Booster
eatramen [9k\]: al ranks are relative
Deejay [2d\]: booster a lot of people dont play in tournamtes
eatramen [9k\]: *all
Booster [3k\]: it doenst explain why its not aligned
]
;W[kc]C[eatramen [9k\]: yes it does
]
;B[lc]C[zife [-\]: how would you align them anyway
]
;W[ld]C[pinpingho [-\]: what do you mean by aligned?
uurtamo [12k?\]: booster -- which rating system do you suggest they "align" it to.
uurtamo [12k?\]: ?
jnalanko [3k\]: shicho works
]
;B[mb]C[Booster [3k\]: how tall are you on the internet ?
Capital [?\]: FinFinal how much time do they have left ?
Booster [3k\]: and in real life ?
FinFinal [-\]: white 56 min, black 32
Gay [5d\]: looks hard for white
floating [1k\]: how can antti recover if he loses finals 2-0 dying with failed invasions in both games ?
mooooo [5k\]: becaus 7d is highest in egf and not 9d so people who are 7d egf can be 8-9 dan kgs
uurtamo [12k?\]: booster, european, korean, chinese and japanese rankings are all different from each other and american rankings, for intssance.
cherisse [-\]: aleksi is too stong? :o
uh7uh66u7: is white overplaying?
jnalanko [3k\]: m15?
Ashh: uh: yes
mooooo [5k\]: i dont see more strength i just see big moyo play and antti missed his chance to invade
Booster [3k\]: could he ?
Prodigious [4d\]: antti has been playing a bit strangely
agonybear [2d\]: o16
eatramen [9k\]: assu so violent
Pottu [2k\]: Is Antti playing today somehow weakly. Last game as well sabaki did not succeed
Sandmann [-\]: how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood
ranchanii [1d\]: many
kostuek [-\]: woha, w is going to sparta
floating [1k\]: tenuki coming
LazyDragon [3k\]: a woodchuck would chuck as much wood as he could if a woodchuck could chuck wood
Booster [3k\]: i'd say : woody
Sandmann [-\]: q10 is becoming weak
Shador [2k\]: Weakly Go of Tien
mooooo [5k\]: i think l15 now
LazyDragon [3k\]: l15 is no use
LazyDragon [3k\]: but i'd be glad to be convinced otherwise
AroundOneD [2d\]: q18
floating [1k\]: maybe w get l15 and k15 and then try k12 or so
FinFinal [-\]: White has 51 minutes, black 32
kostuek [-\]: some aji at l15 at all
eatramen [9k\]: w in big trouble, w spirit probably broken from the 1st game
]
;W[ke]C[Booster [3k\]: he heard you
]
;B[jd]C[Suvi [2d\]: eatramen, certainly not
fgfgbfbf: when did they play the first game? Javier won that one?
Suvi [2d\]: broken, i mean
]
;W[md]C[eatramen [9k\]: earlier today
zife [-\]: they played it earlier today
jnalanko [3k\]: javier won
Suvi [2d\]: the third game will be tomorrow :)
eatramen [9k\]: i know what u meant Suvi and ok =)
eatramen [9k\]: haha we'll see
Suvi [2d\]: indeed we will
Suvi [2d\]: :)
ranchanii [1d\]: antti will win!
Booster [3k\]: wh hs K15 and O18
eatramen [9k\]: something with r14 is coming
Suvi [2d\]: booster's keyboard is missing some letters :-)
AroundOneD [2d\]: o18 better than k15
chimbba [1k\]: so b k15 now..?
FinFinal [-\]: Sv: Mb vwls?
Booster [3k\]: you are right i forgot C6
ranchanii [1d\]: tien will hear from me if he goes and loses
Suvi [2d\]: finfinal: s ss s
Capital [?\]: but he managed O ;)
Uberdude [3d?\]: k15 lets w lives easily
Suvi [2d\]: sorry, "s sms s" would be correct
LazyDragon [3k\]: gt dsmvwld
Suvi [2d\]: though in english it's ys sms s :/
Uberdude [3d?\]: i think he has to o18
Uberdude [3d?\]: let w rn towards the e14 thickness
AroundOneD [2d\]: y
Capital [?\]: lol LD
Rassvet [14k\]: maybe w will connect with f10 somehow
LazyDragon [3k\]: he got disemvoweld - I heard that was a bad punishment for medivieal authors writing nonsense ;)
mooooo [5k\]: must be funny and exciting to be black .... you know white cant life unless i make a mistake :D
FinFinal [-\]: LazyDragon: No I think they cut you off from Internet back then
fgfgbfbf: white can't really live without a mistake from black?
yuuki [5k\]: Would they punish anyone for writing nonsense in medieval age ?
cherisse [-\]: it's hard to watch white struggle :(
]
;B[lf]C[Suvi [2d\]: o18
smartrobot [9d\]: it's hard time
smartrobot [9d\]: for both
Capital [?\]: lol gone to watch projector again haha
Uberdude [3d?\]: o18 looks obvious
Suvi [2d\]: yeah
AroundOneD [2d\]: w gets o18 1st
LazyDragon [3k\]: KO!
Booster [3k\]: O18 Q18 Q16Q15 P14
Uberdude [3d?\]: o18 k17 q18 r18 q16 r17 q15 r15 p14 q13 p19 easy life
ntdung89dn [?\]: s
agonybear [2d\]: o18 q18? ¬¬
agonybear [2d\]: then w can capture wiht l18
LazyDragon [3k\]: (Tien complained there weren't enough people randomly shouting ko here ;) )
mooooo [5k\]: SEKI
kostuek [-\]: kokoko
]
;W[nb]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: though w can maybe look for more
yuuki [5k\]: ladder
mooooo [5k\]: black should resign now
]
;B[jc]
;W[pb]C[mooooo [5k\]: sekiii
]
;B[qb]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: ko
Suvi [2d\]: enough, ok
Suvi [2d\]: ok, ko, ok.. see? mwaha
Sandmann [-\]: it's not random anymore
Sandmann [-\]: it's organized shouting
Booster [3k\]: ko is a wh victory
slim76 [3d\]: no
LazyDragon [3k\]: sorry, now it's simply misreading
Gay [5d\]: looks like we will live
MilanMilan [9d\]: Antti didn't show his real level till now
Suvi [2d\]: antti \\o/
MilanMilan [9d\]: his games in London played quite well
Pottu [2k\]: he is in hurry to show it up..
Suvi [2d\]: did you see the on against catalin?
mooooo [5k\]: wow antti gonna show his strengh and develope to level two
MilanMilan [9d\]: not yet
smartrobot [9d\]: maybe he is a little nervous
Suvi [2d\]: milan, it's in his blog
MilanMilan [9d\]: q16 r17 q15 r15 p14 q13 n19 l18 q19 
cherisse [-\]: just saw his review, nice :)
Suvi [2d\]: gooften.net
Capital [?\]: MilanMilan [9d\]: Antti didn't show his real level till now -- what do you mean?
]
;W[pd]
;B[qc]
;W[pe]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: it's easy to make w alive here
mooooo [5k\]: antti must be mentaly destracted
MilanMilan [9d\]: I think Antti should win easily
]
;B[qe]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: has it always been easy to live, or did b make a mistake?
]
;W[of]
;B[pg]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: milan, was m18 a b mistake?
Gay [5d\]: b mistaked
LazyDragon [3k\]: where?
Uberdude [3d?\]: it seemed to help w sabaki
]
;W[mf]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: I wasn't here for a while
yuuki [5k\]: Mistake was not taking o18 first ?
MilanMilan [9d\]: don't know what happened yet, sry
Uberdude [3d?\]: you can do options -> view offline
eatramen [9k\]: very nice by wa
eatramen [9k\]: *w
fgfgbfbf: LazyDragon: it was answered above ;) 'mooooo [5k\]: must be funny and exciting to be black .... you know white cant life unless i make a mistake :D'
Uberdude [3d?\]: to replay old moves
eatramen [9k\]: r14 came thru too
Sandmann [-\]: assu studies go by playing sc2 and reading books about samurai
chimbba [1k\]: :)
eatramen [9k\]: what other way is there
eatramen [9k\]: assu is a protoss player
kostuek [-\]: no other
LazyDragon [3k\]: knowing my own reading skills, I don't quite trust his judgement :)
Gay [5d\]: i study go by watching hikaru
eatramen [9k\]: thats so gay
eerer: g5 now
]
;B[le]C[eatramen [9k\]: i watch hikaru too tho
eatramen [9k\]: lol
pinpingho [-\]: black can't g5...
eerer: why not?
pinpingho [-\]: g5 just help white capture c6
Booster [3k\]: intersection is free
Booster [3k\]: he can
haltija [-\]: we're past fuseki by now
eatramen [9k\]: w nice by w, now b must worry for c6
]
;W[lg]
;B[kf]C[Gay [5d\]: c6 stone is quite strong if w dont play there first
eatramen [9k\]: i see
MilanMilan [9d\]: N14 not a good exchange for w
MilanMilan [9d\]: caz anyway he need to go back to Q18
Suvi [2d\]: and now the eyes please
]
;W[mg]C[eerer: L13 sente?
goren2 [8k\]: o15?
eatramen [9k\]: b's game flow is disrupted now
]
;B[kg]C[eatramen [9k\]: w trying to take over the pace of the game
]
;W[ma]C[eerer: if black sente here, he can win I think
gogonuts [5d\]: w should manage, instead of m14 o18 was a lot better imo
fgfgbfbf: bL13 is letting white live and cashing the top left side for black?
]
;B[kb]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: anyway, it has been very good for w
cherisse [-\]: plus white have to win this round
MilanMilan [9d\]: now b needs to do sth in the lower lefr
]
;W[pa]C[fgfgbfbf: is it best-of-three to get the finnish championship?
FinFinal [-\]: Yes
Suvi [2d\]: yes
eerer: G5 not enough?
gogonuts [5d\]: b was already overconcentrated in the top left, now its really bad
Gay [5d\]: g5 is dumnb
pinpingho [-\]: g5 just give points
FinFinal [-\]: White has 44 minutes, black has 22
Sandmann [-\]: b can attack f10 and o10
pinpingho [-\]: you can't say it's enough when it is negative
goren2 [8k\]: f3?
Gay [5d\]: g4 might work tho
Gay [5d\]: but it has bad effet for k3 and n3 stones i think
ranchanii [1d\]: f5 
Uberdude [3d?\]: milanmilan, do you have a plan to deal with c6?
AroundOneD [2d\]: f4
]
;B[gm]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: could b have gotten a better result, if he had played q15 in response to w r14?
Suvi [2d\]: aaaaaand..... cut.
yuuki [5k\]: Oh, this looks awesome
Gay [5d\]: maybe f7 insted?
eatramen [9k\]: no, only i saw cut, action!
eatramen [9k\]: *say
Sandmann [-\]: ko
Gay [5d\]: this dont look so good
gogonuts [5d\]: g7 looks reasonable to me
Gay [5d\]: yeah..
Gay [5d\]: f7 would be better
]
;W[dm]C[Booster [3k\]: G7 is not a go move
Booster [3k\]: it's random
goren2 [8k\]: c9?
gogonuts [5d\]: i also thought of f7, but im not sure its better
eatramen [9k\]: what is it, pieboxing?
gogonuts [5d\]: f5
AroundOneD [2d\]: f5
LazyDragon [3k\]: f7 looks a bit too deep to me
Gay [5d\]: e4 now?
Gay [5d\]: would work?
LazyDragon [3k\]: i usually see my groups dieing if I go in that deep
Booster [3k\]: B shld play around Q7
gogonuts [5d\]: f7 would get boshied, now b is in the open and has f5
eerer: g7 ....no use
]
;B[pl]C[pinpingho [-\]: e4 e5 then what?
Booster [3k\]: good
Gay [5d\]: dunno
Booster [3k\]: heard me
Gay [5d\]: fight
jnalanko [3k\]: swinging from left to right
AroundOneD [2d\]: I feel c6 was a key stone, which b should not give up
Suvi [2d\]: round 2, fight
kostuek [-\]: b is falling apart
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like that one
cherisse [-\]: ohhh black throwing stones everywhere!
Gay [5d\]: black is mad
Booster [3k\]: Q8 good
Gay [5d\]: for let w live so easy in top
Booster [3k\]: shut up
gogonuts [5d\]: with w o8 bs bottom is in danger of becoming weal
Suvi [2d\]: he got jealous of the 6 groups in the last game
Suvi [2d\]: wants to catch up in this
ranchanii [1d\]: best move
cherisse [-\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: direct L4 is also possible
MilanMilan [9d\]: w s11 is sente
Booster [3k\]: a pity top group reinforces O10
jnalanko [3k\]: r14 has some aji
Booster [3k\]: pity for B
Gay [5d\]: can w play s 100 now
Gay [5d\]: s11*
gogonuts [5d\]: s100 would win
]
;W[rj]C[kostuek [-\]: s100 out of range
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like s10 though :-)
Zairex [1k\]: memory leak
Gay [5d\]: maybe u are nuts ha-ha-ha
ranchanii [1d\]: r5 
Booster [3k\]: R9 R5
]
;B[po]C[goren2 [8k\]: q4
gogonuts [5d\]: good move
Suvi [2d\]: something will die
]
;W[rf]C[Suvi [2d\]: please :)
Gay [5d\]: suvi wants to see blood
Suvi [2d\]: yeah
gogonuts [5d\]: s10 doesnt have enough power to the top to be attractive
eatramen [9k\]: we all want to see blood
ranchanii [1d\]: black will die, because antti wins
MilanMilan [9d\]: Q4 not a good move..
LazyDragon [3k\]: maybe it's r17 that's going to die
gogonuts [5d\]: i cant believe s14 will gain a lot
Gay [5d\]: i did not like Q4 either
Gay [5d\]: looks random
AroundOneD [2d\]: s12
MilanMilan [9d\]: s12 s15 s16 s18 s19 r19 t18 t19 
mooooo [5k\]: ... antti starts crushing b
MilanMilan [9d\]: if s12, should be a ko locally
thichxxx [11k\]: how much time left?
FinFinal [-\]: White has 41 minutes, black has 16
AroundOneD [2d\]: s12 a must
AroundOneD [2d\]: surviviving the corner means loss
kryft [2d\]: Q4? You mean Q5?
gogonuts [5d\]: b s12, then b tenuki in the corner
Booster [3k\]: S14 scary for B
agonybear [2d\]: w won :)
fairgo1 [3d\]: How much time left for both players>
LazyDragon [3k\]: a bit too early to say that ...
gogonuts [5d\]: b doenst absolutely need that corner, because w is alive
FinFinal [-\]: fairgo1: see six rows above
FinFinal [-\]: 41 and 15
AroundOneD [2d\]: b does not care ko in the corner
fairgo1 [3d\]: Oh lol
gogonuts [5d\]: s12,s15,n11
Gay [5d\]: b can play p15 in sente
MilanMilan [9d\]: s12 s15 s16 t17 
MilanMilan [9d\]: maybe not a ko
profi [2d\]: r13 
thichxxx [11k\]: oh, I think exactly a 9d think xD
MilanMilan [9d\]: s12 s15 s16 t17 t16 s18 s17 r19 t18 s19 
MilanMilan [9d\]: r13 s12 s13 t13 s15 t14 
MilanMilan [9d\]: s18&N11are miai
gogonuts [5d\]: wow, that t17 rocks!
FinFinal [-\]: The game is being broadcast live on EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
gogonuts [5d\]: can b answer at t18?
AroundOneD [2d\]: if w gets s12, it's hard for b to treat 4 pieces
MilanMilan [9d\]: s12 s15 s16 t17 t18 t16 
MilanMilan [9d\]: or s19
gogonuts [5d\]: s12,s15,n11 is good for b only if the corner is still ko
gandhi [?\]: b near byo-yomi?
FinFinal [-\]: 10 minutes still
floating [1k\]: can b attack q10 with s12
FinFinal [-\]: like 1.5 more moves...
]
;B[rh]
;W[re]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: s16
gogonuts [5d\]: its not clear to me: after w t16 b t15?
Syptryn [5d?\]: black dead
gogonuts [5d\]: or after s19 again t15
eerer: ko
MilanMilan [9d\]: s19?
jakontin [2k\]: after Bs16 W just R19
MilanMilan [9d\]: w r19
gogonuts [5d\]: dead, or ko no matter - b needs n11 first
]
;B[qp]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: if b r19, w s19
Pottu [2k\]: antti has again 4 corners
MilanMilan [9d\]: or s17
MilanMilan [9d\]: or T15
MilanMilan [9d\]: anyway. b dead
]
;W[rq]C[fl [1d\]: w has n11 ?
yuuki [5k\]: Finfinal, could you tell us how much time is left for both players ?
AroundOneD [2d\]: r9
gogonuts [5d\]: s16,t17,t18,s19,t15
FinFinal [-\]: Of course. :) White has 40 minutes, black has 7:20
yuuki [5k\]: Thank you
namjey [-\]: is KGS 6d = real 6d?
]
;B[nl]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: r9 and n11
thichxxx [11k\]: there are many rank systems
gogonuts [5d\]: good grief - letting w play n11
LazyDragon [3k\]: the byo yomi is quite generous, so there should be no problem
FinFinal [-\]: namjey: EGF 6 dan is around 7-8 dan KGS I think
FinFinal [-\]: (EGF = European Go Federation)
thichxxx [11k\]: W is 9d KGS :-)
]
;W[mh]C[namjey [-\]: thank u
]
;B[rd]
;W[sc]C[eatramen [9k\]: whoa b falling apart
klausP [3d\]: hwat is Anttis account?
Ashh: thickxxx: nah
thichxxx [11k\]: Tien
FinFinal [-\]: T17 instantenous :)
gogonuts [5d\]: b counted on the ko
fl [1d\]: b is 6d on kgs
gogonuts [5d\]: in shock now
eerer: is ko?
agonybear [2d\]: its not ko
agonybear [2d\]: ...
yuuki [5k\]: not ko anymore
gogonuts [5d\]: but i still think t18 has a chance
klausP [3d\]: no ko
MilanMilan [9d\]: No
gogonuts [5d\]: t18,s19,t15
agonybear [2d\]: how many times milan has to tell you gognuts?
Ashh: If black is 6d and white is 9d.. why did white lose last game?
agonybear [2d\]: its NOT ko
eerer: t16 now
agonybear [2d\]: t18 t16 
klausP [3d\]: with Q19 in place no ko, no chance
gogonuts [5d\]: tell me how w answers t15
eatramen [9k\]: reall ranks r 5 and 6d which is close
eerer: and still ko
fl [1d\]: whats w's account here ?
Ashh: fl: tien
LazyDragon [3k\]: I've played in a tournament with progressive byo-yomi - after one hour you had 5 minutes for 15 stones, then 5 minutes for 20 etc. - some players didn't get much past the fuseki in the first hour and had quite a bit of trouble finishing their games ...
eerer: with T16
albundy [1k\]: W definitely not 9d in any account
FinFinal [-\]: White is Tien on KGS
yuuki [5k\]: W is Tien 9d, B is ErgoProxy 6d
MaxMakinen [2k\]: ashh, it's tournament.. antti won catalin taranu in the team championships a few days ago for example (and catalin is 5p)
Ashh: "9d"
MilanMilan [9d\]: Tien is 9d here
]
;B[oj]C[fl [1d\]: i knew ergoproxy but i didnt know that antti is tien
]
;W[ok]C[eatramen [9k\]: has he passed the 9d test milan?
mooooo [5k\]: Tien is 9d but he hasnt played against other 9d´s i think
cherisse [-\]: how about black?
Lodurr [1d?\]: he did, but not very much
eatramen [9k\]: b is kgs 6d
fl [1d\]: he did
MilanMilan [9d\]: 80% of 9d here never play with other 9ds
fl [1d\]: he lost against robot 
Suteishi [6d\]: i think tien played against smartrobot, lost by10 or so
thichxxx [11k\]: he has played against smartrobot and lost
fl [1d\]: but only 10,5
Darchik [3d\]: never question kgs ranks
]
;B[sd]C[thichxxx [11k\]: only 10.5?
gogonuts [5d\]: lost
]
;W[rb]C[eatramen [9k\]: the robot i stoo smart
eatramen [9k\]: *is too
fl [1d\]: ya robot is awesome
mooooo [5k\]: wow
Suteishi [6d\]: iknow...
Lodurr [1d?\]: q9?
]
;B[rg]C[fl [1d\]: losing with 10.5 against him is pretty good :P
mooooo [5k\]: t16 s18 did b make a mistake?
]
;W[qa]C[Pouchok [2d\]: some people can be 5d kgs or 3d kgs and so be 2d in their country, or 3d for kyu level, anything
LazyDragon [3k\]: just as all the 1d players try to hang on to the d in their rank ... I want to go from 1k to 2d without all the hassle of being 1d inbetween ^^
fl [1d\]: 1d is annoying
eatramen [9k\]: isnt p11 ponnuki BIG?
fl [1d\]: i was 2d two times now ..
MilanMilan [9d\]: w played as a strong 9d in this part
Stable [1k\]: lazydragon, you should see my rank graph then ;)
gogonuts [5d\]: but really, you should take another look offline at t18,s19,t15
fl [1d\]: always lost it and dropped to 50% 1d :P
]
;B[qj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: instead of t16
agonybear [2d\]: s19 its a bad response to t18
agonybear [2d\]: t18-t16
agonybear [2d\]: its the right one
MilanMilan [9d\]: if t15 work, then several moves work
gogonuts [5d\]: then again t15
MilanMilan [9d\]: why not w play T16 instead of s19?
agonybear [2d\]: then eat
agonybear [2d\]: t15 and what else?
fgfgbfbf: finally black played something white hadn't thought of, since he's not giving a near-immediate response move? :o
gogonuts [5d\]: argh, atari on 2 stones, w just connects
gogonuts [5d\]: sry
FinFinal [-\]: White has 37 minutes, black 3:22
daladim [1d\]: thx
Narayana [3k\]: what is byo-yomi?
fl [1d\]: the additional time given after SD is over
Narayana [3k\]: oh this is SD?
LazyDragon [3k\]: that's when somebody starts to count down the seconds with an annoying voice
daladim [1d\]: the rules of the game say the byo yomi is 1* 1min
fgfgbfbf: after main time is over, not "after SD is over"
daladim [1d\]: that seems weird
fl [1d\]: yah .. thats what i meant <.<
fgfgbfbf: yeah
FinFinal [-\]: It's 1min sudden death basically after the main time
FinFinal [-\]: (per move)
agonybear [2d\]: seems really hard to anser
Narayana [3k\]: thx
]
;W[ol]
;B[qk]
;W[om]C[yuuki [5k\]: I bet 10 e-faux-bucks B lose this game and wins the other one
mooooo [5k\]: never Antti gonna be the champ
floating [1k\]: does e3 work
]
;B[nn]C[fgfgbfbf: I thought wP8 was odd, just wR9 instead?
floating [1k\]: handigo, they always play that
agonybear [2d\]: r9 seems bad
MilanMilan [9d\]: r9 q9 r11 p11 r7 
MilanMilan [9d\]: I think w should play r9 still
]
;W[np]C[daladim [1d\]: =)
LazyDragon [3k\]: now b is getting torn apart
Lodurr [1d?\]: what if w r9 q9 p11 r11 r8?
kamistar [16k?\]: definitely
]
;B[op]
;W[nq]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: I do not like p4
eatramen [9k\]: me neither
]
;B[pq]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]
;W[pp]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: b trying to win ..
FinFinal [-\]: Black has entered byo-yomi
]
;B[od]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: it's suicide...
]
;W[oe]
;B[pq]C[Gordan [11k\]: who is wining?
FinFinal [-\]: White still has 32 minutes
daladim [1d\]: w
LazyDragon [3k\]: b is looking for a miracle
]
;W[or]C[ILuvYQ [2k\]: w still has so mch time omg.
]
;B[no]C[daladim [1d\]: pfff
]
;W[pp]
;B[mi]
;W[nm]
;B[pq]C[TomiP [1k\]: can't scroll back with android... well that sucks
Booster [3k\]: noone can
eatramen [9k\]: cant scroll back demo
eatramen [9k\]: unless you view offline
FinFinal [-\]: Booster: Neo could
Capital [?\]: you have to "view offline"
TomiP [1k\]: u can if u load it elsewhere
]
;W[rp]C[TomiP [1k\]: but i think that aint possible with android
daladim [1d\]: booster : nez au coude
]
;B[ro]C[eatramen [9k\]: why did b play a ko thats seems bad for him?
Booster [3k\]: nez au coude ?
]
;W[pp]
;B[mm]C[jamesp42 [?\]: Try updating. The newest app lets me scroll.
Booster [3k\]: compris
Inglorious [1d\]: ignore p5
daladim [1d\]: ^^
]
;W[oo]C[TomiP [1k\]: really? o_O
Gresil [-\]: belgian ko threat?
]
;B[on]
;W[ml]
;B[ll]C[eatramen [9k\]: poor b
]
;W[mn]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: b is the same person as first game?
Capital [?\]: lol, ya
eatramen [9k\]: lol
eatramen [9k\]: b stressed
Lacrimosa [?\]: yes, it's best of three games
MilanMilan [9d\]: m7 n5 q6 q7 r6 r7 s7 s8 r8 s9 r11 r5 s6 t7 n4 m5 
MilanMilan [9d\]: I think just w played much better than last game
]
;B[mk]C[dxxd [1k\]: he put many teaspoons of sugar in his tea...bad for the brains
]
;W[pn]C[Zairex [1k\]: resign time
]
;B[mo]
;W[pm]C[Rassvet [14k\]: maybe b will surprise everybody
Backflash [10k\]: no way:)
eatramen [9k\]: b is kgs 6d, he is magic
]
;B[qo]C[eatramen [9k\]: butt w is 9d and has super powers
LovroKlc [-\]: W is KGS 9d
yuuki [5k\]: Well, for B to win, i think W must surprise everybody
eerer: white start second act, how to lose a won game
Gardan [-\]: fighting spirit
Michi86 [6k\]: s6 ?
MilanMilan [9d\]: N6 not a good exchange for w
MilanMilan [9d\]: now w ashould go s6
Booster [3k\]: bl is doing good
basicpract [-\]: what are these players KGS names (I just cme in, sorry if it has been asked a ton of times)
eatramen [9k\]: w is tien
yuuki [5k\]: W is Tien, B is Ergoproxy
eatramen [9k\]: b is ergoproxy
basicpract [-\]: thanks
eatramen [9k\]: np
]
;W[rn]C[eatramen [9k\]: take the ko!
LazyDragon [3k\]: what if w had just played p4?
Michi86 [6k\]: p4 s7 ?
eatramen [9k\]: b could connect directly to r9?
eatramen [9k\]: yeah
FinFinal [-\]: O_o
LazyDragon [3k\]: yeah ...
]
;B[op]
;W[so]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: just didn't see it
eerer: game is not over if black will get N2 and N4 in sente
FinFinal [-\]: black played the last stone with 1s time on clock
FinFinal [-\]: and then had time to hit the button :)
eatramen [9k\]: +O
Michi86 [6k\]: ouch, close call
eatramen [9k\]: =O
]
;B[pq]
;W[rl]C[keyboy [5d\]: he is really crazy and really fast
]
;B[oi]C[yuuki [5k\]: Well, of course, Javier must make it more dramatic
clement44 [2k\]: what can black do ? 
]
;W[mp]
;B[lo]
;W[go]C[Rassvet [14k\]: it's the time for s100
eatramen [9k\]: n4 just makes b game harder
keyboy [5d\]: d6 is cleaner for white
]
;B[gj]
;W[fi]C[Gresil [-\]: w+46.5
eatramen [9k\]: b yose strong enough?
eatramen [9k\]: yeah w+r
]
;B[fn]C[Ashh: is there 3rd game if w wins?
AroundOneD [2d\]: e5
FinFinal [-\]: Yes
keyboy [5d\]: black is down the 18th layer of earth under the ground
watayasu [4k\]: e5
]
;W[eo]C[keyboy [5d\]: did white win the last game?
FinFinal [-\]: Yes
fairgo1 [3d\]: lost
FinFinal [-\]: but Javier-Aleksi played white then :)
fairgo1 [3d\]: oh w won last game?
fairgo1 [3d\]: xD
keyboy [5d\]: i mean did javier win?
daladim [1d\]: lol
Lodurr [1d?\]: Javier won last game
FinFinal [-\]: yes, Javier won first
]
;B[cq]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: w almost get 4 corners with 2 big one
fgfgbfbf: :O
watayasu [4k\]: amazing
]
;W[bp]C[keyboy [5d\]: and he is sure to lose this game due to that he is struggling in the 18th layer of earth under the ground.............
eatramen [9k\]: do pros favor? b or w stones
]
;B[gr]C[eatramen [9k\]: *no?
]
;W[fr]
;B[fp]C[watayasu [4k\]: h2
]
;W[fo]
;B[fq]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: no use
AroundOneD [2d\]: e2
]
;W[er]
;B[gp]
;W[hq]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: helps w
]
;B[hp]
;W[hr]C[Rookwood [2k\]: ^^depends what they're wearing
]
;B[ho]C[mower [2k\]: ?
FinFinal [-\]: White has 25 minutes left
keyboy [5d\]: g11 for white
]
;W[gi]C[FinFinal [-\]: The game is being broadcast live through EuroGoTV3, http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV3
keyboy [5d\]: how many minutes does black have left?
]
;B[hj]
;W[cb]
;B[di]C[Lodurr [1d?\]: he has 1 min byoyomi
keyboy [5d\]: how do you check the time,actually?
LazyDragon [3k\]: by asking FinFinal ;)
AroundOneD [2d\]: c11
keyboy [5d\]: where?
FinFinal [-\]: They have Excalibur clock across the table
Suvi [2d\]: they play live, they have a clock
]
;W[fk]
;B[cj]
;W[ck]
;B[bi]
;W[ci]
;B[ob]C[Suvi [2d\]: in real life :>
]
;W[oa]
;B[cj]
;W[bk]
;B[dk]C[Zairex [1k\]: should w have played d11 instead of c18
]
;W[ci]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: y d11 1st then c18
]
;B[sb]C[joossy [4k\]: хм...
]
;W[se]
;B[cj]C[coolzr [11k\]: o-o
]
;W[dl]
;B[ej]
;W[fl]
;B[nk]C[keyboy [5d\]: h9 for white?
Uberdude [3d?\]: isn't b like 20+ behind
]
;W[hl]C[keyboy [5d\]: well.......yes
]
;B[hm]
;W[hk]C[eatramen [9k\]: b messed up top right
]
;B[rk]C[eatramen [9k\]: sometimes its good to have atari-itis like us kyus do
eatramen [9k\]: if he had laddered r14
eatramen [9k\]: he would be in trouble
]
;W[ql]C[eatramen [9k\]: i guess r14 came through for w after all
]
;B[qn]
;W[qm]
;B[rr]
;W[pp]
;B[cl]
;W[cm]
;B[pq]
;W[sr]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: how much time left for w?
FinFinal [-\]: 19 minutes
eatramen [9k\]: maybe 20mins
eatramen [9k\]: ohh hehe close ^^
]
;B[ih]
;W[lq]
;B[kq]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: q9 big
]
;W[lp]C[LazyDragon [3k\]: either b finds a magic move, or he lost this game
daladim [1d\]: anyone likes to eat ramen but eating eatramen's stones is bad style
]
;B[kp]
;W[eb]
;B[pk]
;W[sk]
;B[qi]
;W[pp]C[eatramen [9k\]: :P
]
;B[eq]
;W[dq]
;B[pq]C[keyboy [5d\]: g18 is HUGE
gojustingo [8k\]: when i first saw your name I thought it was eatra man...like ultraman lol
]
;W[ln]
;B[ko]
;W[pp]C[keyboy [5d\]: what? my name?
daladim [1d\]: xD
gojustingo [8k\]: no mr. eatraman's name
]
;B[bl]
;W[bm]C[Rookwood [2k\]: I'm just glad he left out the "w"
]
;B[pq]C[gojustingo [8k\]: :?
]
;W[sm]C[eatramen [9k\]: haha justin
basicpract [-\]: eat raw man...
kryft [2d\]: gojustingo, And then you realized it's several eatra men?
eatramen [9k\]: a lot of ppl make that mistake
]
;B[dc]
;W[da]C[eatramen [9k\]: eathuman o.0
MilanMilan [9d\]: when will be the final round?
eatramen [9k\]: tomorrow
FinFinal [-\]: tomorrow morning 9 GMT
Suvi [2d\]:  tomorrow at 9 gmt
Excalibor [?\]: will antti win?
clement44 [2k\]: who will be the winner ? :)
Suvi [2d\]: antti
eatramen [9k\]: what is that est?
keyboy [5d\]: who do you support?
]
;B[fb]C[Pouchok [2d\]: why so early :(
apina [1k\]: both
Suvi [2d\]: Antti \\o/
Excalibor [?\]: i like antti's blog, so
]
;W[fa]
;B[ec]
;W[ea]C[Excalibor [?\]: :-)
kamistar [16k?\]: tien
CylonBuney [7k\]: 15 or 3 pm est right
Suvi [2d\]: 11am in finland
innna [?\]: Antti!
rausku [-\]: what happened in the first round?
Excalibor [?\]: 10am CET :)
Excalibor [?\]: javier won by resignation
Suvi [2d\]: rausu, assu won
fairgo1 [3d\]: CET?
CylonBuney [7k\]: nevermind its minus
FinFinal [-\]: rausku: This account's game history has the SGF
]
;B[ga]
;W[ca]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: Thx:)
AroundOneD [2d\]: no need to further play
Excalibor [?\]: cet = central european time
FinFinal [-\]: black resigns
Suvi [2d\]: Antti \\o/
Lacrimosa [?\]: 4am est?
LazyDragon [3k\]: thanks for the transmission!
AroundOneD [2d\]: since no chance to turn the game around
Excalibor [?\]: congrats, antti!
fairgo1 [3d\]: good game
keyboy [5d\]: black resigned already/
keyboy [5d\]: black resigned already?
Kisakazomo [4d?\]: Kiitos!
kamistar [16k?\]: antti!!1
AroundOneD [2d\]: ic
Suvi [2d\]: kiitoksia
keyboy [5d\]: did black resign?
Excalibor [?\]: yup
daladim [1d\]: yep
Darchik [3d\]: kiitokset Ruotsista
])
