(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[gGo:1.0]ST[1]GN[Takapotku Open 2011 Round 6: Su Yang 6d (B) vs. Siivola Matti 5d (W)]
SZ[19]KM[7.0]
PW[Siivola Matti]WR[5d]PB[Su Yang]BR[6d]DT[2011-02-13]PC[IGS-PandaNet]
C[EuroGoTV1: game starts in 12 mins
Observing game 415 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) :
         Arctic 5d          guest6018 NR    
Found 2 observers.
hogweed [1d*\]: are you starting on the hour?
EuroGoTV1: yea
EuroGoTV1: few more minutes]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[cq]
;W[qp]
;B[oq]C[EuroGoTV1: B is Su Yang 6d, W is Siivola Matti 5d]
;W[lq]C[EuroGoTV1: tenuki is possible, Q5 possible
EuroGoTV1: just jumping up seems playable]
;B[fc]C[hogweed [1d*\]: 2 space pincer is not severe, so black fine to ignore
Tuuppaaja [3d\]: 4-4 3-3 openings getting popular for some reason
hogweed [1d*\]: it's just this retro chic, you know]
;W[hc]C[hogweed [1d*\]: Matti seems to like pincers
hogweed [1d*\]: double approach
EuroGoTV1: i wouldn't double kakari cause C3 so low
hippomanes [5d\]: right
norsu [3k\]: What is double kakari?
hippomanes [5d\]: c14]
;B[po]C[hippomanes [5d\]: 2nd approach move
EuroGoTV1: B doesn't want to decide what to do on top yet
EuroGoTV1: after a move like Q5, most logical joseki choice on top is F15
EuroGoTV1: ah W cuts]
;W[pp]
;B[op]
;W[oo]C[EuroGoTV1: complex joseki]
;B[pn]
;W[no]
;B[qr]
;W[rn]C[hippomanes [5d\]: q2 more usual than r2?]
;B[qm]C[hippomanes [5d\]: (to get n4)]
;W[rr]
;B[pr]
;W[rm]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Oh, gets it anyway
EuroGoTV1: r2 standard imo]
;B[qk]
;W[rq]C[hippomanes [5d\]: I'm rusty :)]
;B[mp]C[Tuuppaaja [3d\]: is cutting with p5 considered joseki
EuroGoTV1: yes]
;W[ql]
;B[pl]
;W[rl]C[hogweed [1d*\]: White looks quite disordered so far
Tuuppaaja [3d\]: m3 seems just misplaced]
;B[pk]C[EuroGoTV1: but choosing this particular joseki is questionable imo
hippomanes [5d\]: Yes, with B both adjacent corners
EuroGoTV1: leads to a fight in which B has support on Q16 and little support from c3
EuroGoTV1: yea
EuroGoTV1: so imo W should've just taken the right side territory
EuroGoTV1: now H17 looks a bit funny too
EuroGoTV1: if pincer, id want it to be J16 now
norsu [3k\]: did w play this joseki optimally after p5 cut
hogweed [1d*\]: white has made about 8 points of territory]
;W[fd]C[EuroGoTV1: im not 100% sure, but looking the result id say no
hogweed [1d*\]: D10?
EuroGoTV1: im not familiar with this sequence
hippomanes [5d\]: F16 looks just about essential. Maybe there's a deep plan here...]
;B[lp]
;W[jq]
;B[kq]
;W[kr]
;B[kp]C[EuroGoTV1: this won't turn out well
hippomanes [5d\]: What do you make of m4? My instinct would ba a pincer...]
;W[dp]
;B[cp]C[EuroGoTV1: m4 attacks and removes a forcing move]
;W[do]
;B[er]
;W[gp]
;B[bn]
;W[ir]C[hogweed [1d*\]: feels like these two know basic joseki
hippomanes [5d\]: I'd want to induce the capture of o5 and get a bit of an attack...
hogweed [1d*\]: K4 tempts me
norsu [3k\]: next two moves decides the game]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[ee]
;W[dc]
;B[gd]
;W[om]
;B[pm]
;W[fb]
;B[fe]
;W[gc]
;B[cf]C[hippomanes [5d\]: to persist a bit, I'd play around h3 or j4 for move 30. Quite a different game. Maybe a matter of taste...
hogweed [1d*\]: D8 now
EuroGoTV1: d8 doesn't make territory and it's gote
EuroGoTV1: if W wants to play on that side, better to wedge in then
EuroGoTV1: o17 approach is quite big
hippomanes [5d\]: n3 too early? It's an irritant
EuroGoTV1: no hurry to play it
EuroGoTV1: B won't waste a move there anytime soon
hogweed [1d*\]: but how to wedge?
EuroGoTV1: imo approach on top right is correct
EuroGoTV1: i wouldn't be so worried about that moyo yet
EuroGoTV1: if W don't approach, he won't have much points 
EuroGoTV1: and thinking if B gets N17 for example
EuroGoTV1: thats huge
Tuuppaaja [3d\]: Matti will give moyo and use the same trick ja Juri
hippomanes [5d\]: B m2 might be counter productive I guess. But its security and a lead...]
;W[pf]C[EuroGoTV1: i don't like this move
hogweed [1d*\]: ... wow
EuroGoTV1: wrong side imo]
;B[nd]
;W[ml]C[hippomanes [5d\]: A bit one dimensional and not the natural side
hogweed [1d*\]: D7
hippomanes [5d\]: m2
EuroGoTV1: ok so now W wants a huge fight inside B influence
hippomanes [5d\]: or q12
egeus [3k\]: Who's playing?]
;B[lr]C[hippomanes [5d\]: m2 and q12 both super pointws for B
EuroGoTV1: B is Su Yang 6d, W is Siivola Matti 5d
hippomanes [5d\]: Do you know how strong Su Yang is as a 6d?
EuroGoTV1: heh, how to compare..
hippomanes [5d\]: :)
EuroGoTV1: hes strong but hes not ridicilously strong :P
hogweed [1d*\]: check his GoR]
;W[de]C[Tuuppaaja [3d\]: he can lift other Finnish 6ds from the bench]
;B[df]
;W[ef]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: tuuppaaja muah :D
hogweed [1d*\]: cut all]
;B[eg]
;W[ff]
;B[fg]
;W[gf]
;B[gg]C[EuroGoTV1: apparently Su Yang don't want an all-out fight
hogweed [1d*\]: d7 you can just smell]
;W[hf]
;B[ph]
;W[nf]C[hippomanes [5d\]: n10?
EuroGoTV1: n10 pushes W group into B future moyo
EuroGoTV1: difficult to attack here]
;B[nh]
;W[lf]
;B[jl]C[hogweed [1d*\]: by the way
hogweed [1d*\]: is there a prize for the most takapotku?
EuroGoTV1: this is the correct direction
EuroGoTV1: what do you mean hog?
hippomanes [5d\]: I was thinking n10 l8 j8. This does look better
hogweed [1d*\]: it doesn't mean snapback?
Pade [12k*\]: i think he means wh performs most snapbacks in tournament
hogweed [1d*\]: K8 looks nice
EuroGoTV1: never heard the term used but maybe it is :)
EuroGoTV1: we just call it snäpäri ]
;W[kk]C[egeus [3k\]: Takapotku sounds Finnish
EuroGoTV1: you guessed right]
;B[lh]
;W[mi]
;B[mh]
;W[jk]
;B[hl]C[hogweed [1d*\]: H3 troublesome now
hippomanes [5d\]: d7 getting bigger...]
;W[ik]C[EuroGoTV1: time to start making territory on left side imo
hippomanes [5d\]: B doesnt want to induce W d7 though
hippomanes [5d\]: I'd be staring at B j14. But that's probably just wishful thinking... :)
hippomanes [5d\]: well for now]
;B[hk]C[EuroGoTV1: both fighting for the chance to play D7 first
hippomanes [5d\]: B has certainly set it up
EuroGoTV1: W has to answer this block tho]
;W[il]
;B[im]
;W[hm]C[EuroGoTV1: W won't back down here
EuroGoTV1: if he plays submissively, B will surely make the big territory on left
EuroGoTV1: tho this fight is extremely difficult for W
hippomanes [5d\]: h7 all out
hogweed [1d*\]: well nobody said Go was easy
hippomanes [5d\]: heh
EuroGoTV1: but you can do things the easy or the hard way
EuroGoTV1: even in go
EuroGoTV1: W made the game hard for himself since the start
Tuuppaaja [3d\]: no, it's either hard way or soft, the latter is bad
EuroGoTV1: soft is bad, but making simple good moves isn't
hippomanes [5d\]: Like Takagawa
ljkramer [16k*\]: How would W answer B d7 now?
hippomanes [5d\]: A little squeal perhaps?
EuroGoTV1: g7 most likely
hippomanes [5d\]: g7 or h10 prob]
;B[gm]
;W[hn]
;B[jn]C[EuroGoTV1: but d7 from B would've been soft
hogweed [1d*\]: cut all
EuroGoTV1: B is thick on all surroundings here
hogweed [1d*\]: K5
hippomanes [5d\]: One mistake by B though, and his lead can vanish
EuroGoTV1: yea well
EuroGoTV1: W is the one whos in trouble
EuroGoTV1: with 2 weak groups
EuroGoTV1: or lets say attackable
hippomanes [5d\]: Right. Hardly call it amashi...
EuroGoTV1: he needs to take care of both and make sure B don't get too much territory]
;W[dm]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Well there's the challenge
ljkramer [16k*\]: c8?
EuroGoTV1: C8 is submissive, giving in W intentions
EuroGoTV1: H10 for sure]
;B[hj]
;W[jh]
;B[kg]C[ljkramer [16k*\]: How about d10?
hippomanes [5d\]: No
Tuuppaaja [3d\]: ljkramer, the focus is now on the weak w groups
ljkramer [16k*\]: Can B separate them?]
;W[hg]
;B[gn]
;W[ho]C[ljkramer [16k*\]: They appear to have eye space if conected]
;B[en]
;W[co]C[EuroGoTV1 undid the last move (E7) .]
;B[bo]
;W[dq]
;B[dr]C[EuroGoTV1: Warning... Warning... Cut detected]
;W[em]C[hippomanes [5d\]: and still...
hippomanes [5d\]: W in trouble]
;B[fn]
;W[bm]
;B[fp]
;W[fq]
;B[eq]C[EuroGoTV1: 2 w groups dying
EuroGoTV1: can't save both thats for sure]
;W[fi]C[egeus [3k\]: If w k5?
EuroGoTV1: if w last move was K5, B just ignores and kills left side]
;B[di]C[hippomanes [5d\]: f5 e4 f4 d6 so nothing there.
Observing game 415 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) :
         Arctic 5d          guest6018 NR          guest8812 NR    
        joachim 1d*           hogweed 1d*          hegethus 3k*   
         Return 6k*             hrudy 17k           justasz 6k*   
      guest9686 NR          guest9719 NR              norsu 3k    
     takuji0601 NR              luota 3k          guest9732 NR    
      Tuuppaaja 3d         hippomanes 5d          guest9755 NR    
        asterix 2d*           taniken 7k*              moth NR    
      guest7441 NR          guest7488 NR         HansWerner NR    
      guest7118 NR          guest9846 NR          guest9712 NR    
      Mokkimies 2d          guest9735 NR          guest9889 NR    
        gotirol 1k*        Ramuki6481 12k*             Pade 12k*  
       ljkramer 16k*         Marvin42 1k*              Fiuv 17k   
         arashi 3d*         guest9966 NR          guest9974 NR    
       cgtengen 1k*         guest8463 NR              momou 10k*  
       kabelyau 6k*             egeus 3k          guest9623 NR    
        guest42 NR             SINNGO 17k*            zxh88 4d*   
      guest9726 NR           guest102 NR            guest95 NR    
       guest114 NR           guest115 NR            Berodan 8k    
     FrenchDude 4k              n1623 3d          guest9955 NR    
       guest130 NR               ton3 12k*          guest66 NR    
       guest150 NR                bcn 5k*          guest154 NR    
           Feox 3d*          yamahido 14k*         guest148 NR    
      guest9151 NR           guest161 NR    
Found 68 observers.]
;W[gl]C[EuroGoTV1: connect e4]
;B[cn]C[EuroGoTV1: heh, this is obviously better
hippomanes [5d\]: nice force
ljkramer [16k*\]: W resign soon?
hippomanes [5d\]: kikashi before everything! :)]
;W[fj]C[EuroGoTV1: B can break out i think
EuroGoTV1: f9
EuroGoTV1: ooor wait
hippomanes [5d\]: f9 g9
hippomanes [5d\]: f10 I didnt see coming...
hippomanes [5d\]: h12?
EuroGoTV1: naa, it will hurt b
EuroGoTV1: F13 stones low on liberty
hippomanes [5d\]: h12 g12 h11
hippomanes [5d\]: ten k11
EuroGoTV1: you die there :p]
;B[fl]
;W[gk]C[hippomanes [5d\]: h12 g12 h11 g9 k11 l11 l12. But there are variations...]
;B[fk]
;W[gj]
;B[ej]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Well W got some kind of exchange...]
;W[hi]
;B[ld]
;W[kf]C[hippomanes [5d\]: But B way ahead]
;B[jd]C[EuroGoTV1: yea B is in control of the game]
;W[ie]
;B[qd]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Whether h12 works or not, this is much easier
EuroGoTV1: yea this is plenty]
;W[fo]
;B[ep]C[ljkramer [16k*\]: Does W have any chance to make life near c9?
EuroGoTV1: don't think so
EuroGoTV1: L18 big end game, B15 also]
;W[ci]C[EuroGoTV1: desperation mode on]
;B[cj]C[hippomanes [5d\]: d12 not enough]
;W[ch]C[ljkramer [16k*\]: aji might be enough to get ko
hippomanes [5d\]: e5 then d6 enough
hippomanes [5d\]: W hopeless]
;B[dh]
;W[bj]C[hippomanes [5d\]: b13
EuroGoTV1: b13, b12, a12 should kill
hippomanes [5d\]: yes]
;B[bk]C[EuroGoTV1: hmmm
EuroGoTV1: ah
hippomanes [5d\]: ah?
EuroGoTV1: theres something i didn't read through from b13]
;W[ck]
;B[dj]
;W[bf]
;B[bi]
;W[bh]C[hippomanes [5d\]: There's a semiai, but B looks ahead]
;B[aj]
;W[ce]
;B[qf]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Just ended up as big yose. Gote
EuroGoTV1: tenuki
EuroGoTV1: huge jump on right side and top side
hippomanes [5d\]: n6 not small too]
;W[rk]
;B[qi]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Hm, maybe n6 not so big. Sorry]
;W[lb]C[hippomanes [5d\]: B still good
norsu [3k\]: how big is f7 or e5 for w?
hippomanes [5d\]: e5 is 15 points plus in gote
EuroGoTV1: hard to say exact point amount cause need to include B playing g5 first
EuroGoTV1: but yea 15 sounds right
norsu [3k\]: so 7 point sente monkey jump come before that
norsu [3k\]: after
EuroGoTV1: m18 a bit deep but..
hippomanes [5d\]: got to try
EuroGoTV1: hard to read through this
EuroGoTV1: but this feels overplay
EuroGoTV1: L18 for sure is playable and sente
EuroGoTV1: instead i mean]
;B[nb]C[ljkramer [16k*\]: k18?
EuroGoTV1: tenuki]
;W[og]
;B[ni]
;W[qe]
;B[qg]
;W[pe]
;B[re]C[hippomanes [5d\]: p17 not possible: n14]
;W[jb]
;B[go]
;W[jo]
;B[ln]C[hogweed [1d*\]: oh they are still playing
EuroGoTV1: yea
EuroGoTV1: W has 15 mins and B has 9 mins left]
;W[nk]C[hippomanes [5d\]: n17 tidies up the aji in sente...]
;B[hp]
;W[ip]
;B[hq]
;W[ij]
;B[mq]C[hippomanes [5d\]: Unless B blunders, this looks over
hippomanes [5d\]: W m13??
hippomanes [5d\]: a bit obvious...
bubble [3d*\]: hard to make any blunders from here]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]
;W[od]
;B[pb]C[hippomanes [5d\]: !?
hippomanes [5d\]: why not n14?]
;W[rf]
;B[rd]
;W[ne]C[EuroGoTV1: s10 huge 
bubble [3d*\]: want to take it easy, and can take s10
hippomanes [5d\]: very calm.]
;B[rj]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: G2 now?
EuroGoTV1: h2 rather
hippomanes [5d\]: Trouble is, l4 becomes sente, so not so big
ljkramer [16k*\]: How would B answer W F7?
EuroGoTV1: connect e9
EuroGoTV1: white resigns
hippomanes [5d\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1: thank you for watching]
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