(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[gGo:1.0]ST[1] SZ[19]KM[7.0] PW[Su Yang]WR[6d]PB[Määttä Janne]BR[4d]DT[2011-02-12]PC[IGS-PandaNet] ;B[pd] ;W[dd] ;B[cq] ;W[pp] ;B[qn] ;W[nq] ;B[rp] ;W[qq] ;B[qk] ;W[nc] ;B[ob] ;W[kd]C[Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : ichinaru 5k* guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* tatukii 10k* aammyy 2d* adinogo 5d tsuruno 5k* guest520 NR Found 10 observers. EuroGoTV1: 75 minutes + 1 x 30 second byo-yomi for both players in start] ;B[ne]C[hegethus [3k*\]: who are the players?] ;W[fc]C[EuroGoTV1: Black is Janne Määttä 4d and White is Su Yang 6d hegethus [3k*\]: thanks EuroGoTV1: W looked a little frustrated as he played F17 EuroGoTV1: B probably takes the left side now hegethus [3k*\]: shame that theres only one game broadcasted] ;B[ph]C[EuroGoTV1: seems like B wanted to prevent W from playing Q10] ;W[cj]C[EuroGoTV1: i think this opening slightly favours W EuroGoTV1: hegethus, yea it's a shame, good match going on at board 2] ;B[cd]C[hegethus [3k*\]: is antti playing on second board? EuroGoTV1: yes hegethus [3k*\]: against namii? EuroGoTV1: hehe, yep hegethus [3k*\]: yeah, that sounds like an interesting pairing Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : ichinaru 5k* guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* tatukii 10k* adinogo 5d guest520 NR abcd2 1d* SAKURAKO 11k* Kurityan 2k* mriom 2k* koosaku 2d* Tomo007 12k* baldur 5d* miyao007 4d* guest238 NR guest603 NR guest9905 NR Found 19 observers. hegethus [3k*\]: thou, its nice to see how well janne plays against su yang EuroGoTV1: yea :)] ;W[ce]C[EuroGoTV1: W probably decided to take outside because C3 low] ;B[dc] ;W[ed]C[EuroGoTV1: this doesn't seem like a good idea from B hegethus [3k*\]: true] ;B[ei]C[EuroGoTV1: hmm] ;W[ej]C[EuroGoTV1: W resist EuroGoTV1: if W had played D12, B would have switched back to the corner and lived. EuroGoTV1: E11 would have been a very nice forcing move at that point EuroGoTV1: F10 is kinda forced EuroGoTV1: now hegethus [3k*\]: yep baldur [5d*\]: d10 is always an option] ;B[fj] ;W[fi] ;B[ie] ;W[eh] ;B[gi] ;W[di] ;B[ic] ;W[kf] ;B[kb] ;W[lc] ;B[ig]C[baldur [5d*\]: black managed to fool white a little bit] ;W[kh]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: who are playing? EuroGoTV1: B is Määttä Janne 4d and W is Su Yang 6d Mokkimies [2d\]: thanks EuroGoTV1: btw, i think D10 would have been overplay Mokkimies [2d\]: K11 looks like an obvious attacking move but is it wrong direction? Mokkimies [2d\]: I would really like to play N4 also EuroGoTV1: J11 might be good enough EuroGoTV1: can't let W play in that area first] ;B[ii]C[EuroGoTV1: he played it Mokkimies [2d\]: L10 looks natural now EuroGoTV1: yea EuroGoTV1: can't let B have it Beau [7k*\]: who is playing ? EuroGoTV1: B is Määttä Janne 4d W is Su Yang 6d Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : ichinaru 5k* guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* adinogo 5d abcd2 1d* mriom 2k* koosaku 2d* baldur 5d* guest659 NR guest643 NR AncientRib 2d tyam 3k* jsk6248 3d* Mokkimies 2d HUKUTHIYAM 2k kappa56 3d* guest9477 NR guest743 NR hamas5ngo 3k* guest9659 NR guest772 NR Beau 7k* guest156 NR guest799 NR guest8786 NR guest804 NR tsurawa13 3d* guest814 NR SteveTLgao 8k* Found 31 observers. Beau [7k*\]: Määttä Janne sounds danish ? EuroGoTV1: heh EuroGoTV1: hes a fin tho Beau [7k*\]: that was my second choice EuroGoTV1: i wonder what W is thinking on :p EuroGoTV1: peeping isn't good, can't expect to gain anything from right and surely not tenuki] ;W[pe]C[EuroGoTV1: i must say i don't like this move EuroGoTV1: soon W will have 2 weak groups Mokkimies [2d\]: looks like a trick play EuroGoTV1: yea Mokkimies [2d\]: Q17 for b Arctic [4d\]: Who are the players? Mokkimies [2d\]: määttä and jeff Mokkimies [2d\]: jeff is w EuroGoTV1: P16 looks natural def, but W spent a lot of time on this move, so most likely he read through all the normal responses Mokkimies [2d\]: if b tenukis Q17 is a vital spot for w so defending there cannot be bad EuroGoTV1: however, W will just look at Q15 as a forcing move and tenuki EuroGoTV1: bad aji left Mokkimies [2d\]: yeah Mokkimies [2d\]: no way to eliminate bad aji in a single move though EuroGoTV1: so i think B must resist more strongly Mokkimies [2d\]: I'm only thinking so w cannot get forcing moves to make an eye in sente LeT [1d*\]: just P16? EuroGoTV1: my first instinct is p16] ;B[od]C[EuroGoTV1: he played it] ;W[qb]C[EuroGoTV1: jeff already considered that EuroGoTV1: nasty move :p] ;B[pb]C[Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : ichinaru 5k* guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* adinogo 5d mriom 2k* koosaku 2d* guest659 NR guest643 NR AncientRib 2d Mokkimies 2d guest743 NR guest9659 NR guest772 NR Beau 7k* guest156 NR guest8786 NR guest828 NR baldur 5d* guest769 NR Pade 12k* Arctic 4d Sasabune 3k* guest853 NR samizutan 16k* guest857 NR guest262 NR guest752 NR guest515 NR guest577 NR Masa77 9k* T3 1d* guest873 NR LeT 1d* gategate 12k* yamago 2d iznogoud 4d* kitasan2 3d* Hsaeki 3d* sadachan 14k* guest892 NR guest882 NR guest833 NR hinomine 1k* serene 5k guest923 NR knb2221943 11k* guest6149 NR guest917 NR CRUZ 6k* Found 51 observers. Mokkimies [2d\]: Q13 looks funny Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : ichinaru 5k* guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* adinogo 5d mriom 2k* koosaku 2d* guest659 NR guest643 NR AncientRib 2d Mokkimies 2d guest743 NR guest9659 NR Beau 7k* guest156 NR guest8786 NR guest828 NR baldur 5d* guest769 NR Pade 12k* Arctic 4d Sasabune 3k* guest853 NR samizutan 16k* guest857 NR guest262 NR guest752 NR guest515 NR guest577 NR Masa77 9k* T3 1d* guest873 NR LeT 1d* yamago 2d iznogoud 4d* kitasan2 3d* Hsaeki 3d* sadachan 14k* guest892 NR guest882 NR guest833 NR hinomine 1k* guest923 NR guest6149 NR guest917 NR kurobeSUN 3k* guest927 NR guest889 NR stmf 1k* kiya55 6k* Found 51 observers. EuroGoTV1: it looks like overplay ;) Mokkimies [2d\]: how to punish?] ;W[kj]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: ok so w just made aji there and tenuki EuroGoTV1: yea Mokkimies [2d\]: painful for b to kill later on EuroGoTV1: W can't expect to end in sente on right side EuroGoTV1: and he can't let B take L10 Mokkimies [2d\]: yeah Mokkimies [2d\]: but P13 is a funny move to make shape Mokkimies [2d\]: idea is to get R14 in sente to play R16 EuroGoTV1: if q13, prolly just play r12 EuroGoTV1: or p12 EuroGoTV1: B still needs to play on center tho EuroGoTV1: letting W play J9 would be pain] ;B[ik] ;W[oh]C[EuroGoTV1 undid the last move (S11) .] ;B[pg] ;W[oj]C[LeT [1d*\]: good joke :-) EuroGoTV1: this laptop is horrible xD LeT [1d*\]: no mouse? EuroGoTV1: nope EuroGoTV1: and laggy] ;B[pi] ;W[qd] ;B[qe] ;W[re] ;B[qf]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: this is really bad for b Mokkimies [2d\]: or then again he might consider this corner and C17 corner miai EuroGoTV1: yea, tho overall this position looks slightly better for w] ;W[mf]C[EuroGoTV1: w lost a bit on top earlier, but left side was better for w EuroGoTV1: right side playing out well for W too] ;B[qc] ;W[eb]C[EuroGoTV1: komi is 7 points btw] ;B[cn]C[EuroGoTV1: i would have probably played M3 instead of C6] ;W[iq] ;B[kl]C[EuroGoTV1: hastily made move EuroGoTV1: B needs to be sure this is sente Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : ichinaru 5k* guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* adinogo 5d koosaku 2d* guest643 NR Mokkimies 2d guest743 NR guest9659 NR Beau 7k* guest156 NR guest8786 NR guest828 NR baldur 5d* Pade 12k* Arctic 4d guest853 NR samizutan 16k* guest857 NR guest752 NR guest515 NR Masa77 9k* guest873 NR LeT 1d* iznogoud 4d* Hsaeki 3d* guest833 NR hinomine 1k* guest917 NR guest889 NR stmf 1k* katula 8k* hamanasu3 5k* guest725 NR guest969 NR goKIti 2k* guest9894 NR guest84 NR guest361 NR helper 3k* seichan 1k* guest685 NR Inffi 1d guest8317 NR jenxin NR guest783 NR guest1014 NR Toshi55 7d* guest6268 NR tonishiu 8k* blobbel 7k* HUKUTHIYAM 2k guest989 NR digby 4k* a219613832 1k* guest1072 NR elli 4k yifu88 1d Found 60 observers.] ;W[dq]C[EuroGoTV1: exactly] ;B[cp] ;W[cr] ;B[br]C[LeT [1d*\]: W needs to be sure it wasnt sente EuroGoTV1: it looks sente, but normally moves like that aren't actually threatening] ;W[fq]C[EuroGoTV1: now B must show how to continue] ;B[be] ;W[bd]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: N11 looks like a good point to start as B Mokkimies [2d\]: or N12 Mokkimies [2d\]: maybe N12 EuroGoTV1: i don't think you can kill this group EuroGoTV1: maybe force it to show eyespace but EuroGoTV1: B lost a lot on lower left] ;B[cc]C[EuroGoTV1: B prolly didn't want W to peep Q8 etc. and then play L8 EuroGoTV1: and hoped W answers L8] ;W[bc]C[EuroGoTV1: q8 i mean] ;B[fh]C[EuroGoTV1: not so important stone anymore, since B already strong in middle] ;W[eg]C[EuroGoTV1: W EuroGoTV1: W's lead is quite obvious now Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR hegethus 3k* adinogo 5d koosaku 2d* guest643 NR Mokkimies 2d guest743 NR guest9659 NR Beau 7k* guest156 NR guest8786 NR guest828 NR baldur 5d* Pade 12k* Arctic 4d guest853 NR samizutan 16k* guest857 NR guest515 NR Masa77 9k* guest873 NR LeT 1d* iznogoud 4d* Hsaeki 3d* guest833 NR guest917 NR guest889 NR stmf 1k* katula 8k* hamanasu3 5k* guest725 NR guest969 NR guest9894 NR guest84 NR guest361 NR helper 3k* seichan 1k* Inffi 1d jenxin NR guest783 NR Toshi55 7d* guest6268 NR tonishiu 8k* blobbel 7k* HUKUTHIYAM 2k guest989 NR a219613832 1k* guest1072 NR elli 4k yifu88 1d Shimoi1232 4k* guest950 NR im15600911 2d guest9413 NR bw9 3k ronhase 9k* Gardan 1k guest1139 NR guest897 NR tyam 3k* Found 62 observers. ] ;B[mh]C[EuroGoTV1: now we will see whether W was correct :p EuroGoTV1: decisive point in game] ;W[mi]C[EuroGoTV1: both players have 32 mins left] ;B[lh] ;W[li] ;B[nh] ;W[ni] ;B[oi] ;W[je]C[Plana17 [1d\]: nice game DevaSatyam [9k*\]: invade invade EuroGoTV1: B looks worried] ;B[jf]C[EuroGoTV1: both players have 25 mins left] ;W[jg] ;B[if] ;W[ml]C[EuroGoTV1: W top left and B right side roughly same size EuroGoTV1: B side slightly bigger EuroGoTV1: B needs to ruin W lower side during this attack to make a comeback] ;B[kn] ;W[pl]C[Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR adinogo 5d koosaku 2d* guest643 NR Mokkimies 2d guest743 NR guest9659 NR Beau 7k* guest156 NR guest8786 NR baldur 5d* Arctic 4d guest853 NR samizutan 16k* guest857 NR guest515 NR Masa77 9k* guest873 NR LeT 1d* iznogoud 4d* Hsaeki 3d* guest833 NR guest889 NR guest725 NR guest969 NR guest9894 NR guest84 NR guest361 NR helper 3k* seichan 1k* Inffi 1d guest783 NR Toshi55 7d* guest6268 NR tonishiu 8k* blobbel 7k* HUKUTHIYAM 2k guest989 NR elli 4k im15600911 2d guest9413 NR bw9 3k Gardan 1k Matu55 1k* fznb 1d ambition 1d* tyam 3k* Plana17 1d koni3277 3k* Senninike 4k* guest1210 NR guest1198 NR Miffy 4d* guest1236 NR guest1246 NR im19309596 1d guest1258 NR guest1270 NR guest1089 NR katula 8k* chocolat20 3d* Piggys 2k* Sui 7k* Found 65 observers.] ;B[pk]C[Plana17 [1d\]: nice analysis] ;W[ok] ;B[ql] ;W[kp] ;B[le]C[EuroGoTV1: no reason to push at Q9 without intent to cut EuroGoTV1: just helps W EuroGoTV1: Plana, thank you :) im kgs 5d myself EuroGoTV1: trying to understand the moves the best i can EuroGoTV1: B looks very worried now EuroGoTV1: and for a good reason EuroGoTV1: W group is resiliant and W is clearly ahead in territory blobbel [7k*\]: which rank do the players have? Mokkimies [2d\]: w 6d b 4d blobbel [7k*\]: thx] ;W[ke] ;B[lp]C[EuroGoTV1: B seems to be trying a forceful blockade here to kill W EuroGoTV1: b shape is thin, but w gotta be careful :)] ;W[mn]C[Plana17 [1d\]: now it gets dirty EuroGoTV1: both players have 15 mins left] ;B[lo] ;W[lr] ;B[ji] ;W[ki] ;B[np] ;W[op]C[Observing game 834 (EuroGoTV1 vs. EuroGoTV1) : guest6018 NR DevaSatyam 9k* guest8694 NR adinogo 5d koosaku 2d* Mokkimies 2d guest743 NR guest9659 NR guest156 NR guest8786 NR baldur 5d* Arctic 4d guest853 NR samizutan 16k* guest857 NR guest515 NR Masa77 9k* iznogoud 4d* Hsaeki 3d* guest833 NR guest889 NR guest725 NR guest969 NR guest9894 NR guest84 NR guest361 NR helper 3k* seichan 1k* Inffi 1d guest783 NR guest6268 NR tonishiu 8k* blobbel 7k* HUKUTHIYAM 2k guest989 NR elli 4k im15600911 2d guest9413 NR bw9 3k Gardan 1k Matu55 1k* fznb 1d ambition 1d* Plana17 1d koni3277 3k* Senninike 4k* Miffy 4d* im19309596 1d guest1258 NR guest1063 NR hegethus 3k* kryft 1d floating 3k guest1373 NR guest1395 NR guest1413 NR Found 56 observers.] ;B[nm] ;W[nn] ;B[gp] ;W[gq] ;B[dr] ;W[er] ;B[cs]C[EuroGoTV1: b7 / b9 huge move Mokkimies [2d\]: S3 also baldur [5d*\]: oyose shall begin baldur [5d*\]: though i think white leads comfortably Mokkimies [2d\]: yes Mokkimies [2d\]: unless w makes a big mistake he is comfortably ahead EuroGoTV1: yea, B fell behind after playing L8 Mokkimies [2d\]: is S3 or B7 bigger? EuroGoTV1: id say b7, but im not a yose-master :p baldur [5d*\]: b7 or c8 definitely bigger] ;W[pm]C[Mokkimies [2d\]: w chose to play it safe] ;B[rq] ;W[qo] ;B[ro] ;W[qm] ;B[rm] ;W[pn]C[baldur [5d*\]: s3 is about, wait a minute, 16 points EuroGoTV1: and b7 is? baldur [5d*\]: i'd say more than 8 points reverse sente :)] ;B[qr] ;W[rn] ;B[sn] ;W[pr] ;B[rr]C[baldur [5d*\]: but the players naturally erased all possibilities for speculation] ;W[hd] ;B[id] ;W[bm]C[lordik [NR\]: Hi, who is playing?] ;B[cm] ;W[bl]C[EuroGoTV1: b määttä janne 4d, w su yang 6d] ;B[ek]C[lordik [NR\]: Thanks, EuroGoTV1] ;W[io]C[Plana17 [1d\]: I would had played J4 before E9 baldur [5d*\]: that potential territory is awfully small EuroGoTV1: yea Plana17 [1d\]: yes but when you are losing, you have to resort to desperate measures] ;B[ei] ;W[dj] ;B[lq] ;W[kr]C[EuroGoTV1: im gonna fall behind when they enter byo-yomi with this lag] ;B[lg] ;W[kg]C[baldur [5d*\]: i'd estimate about 66-56 on the board] ;B[lf]C[EuroGoTV1: and komi is 7] ;W[jm] ;B[km] ;W[hm] ;B[jl] ;W[ln] ;B[ko]C[lordik [NR\]: Have you got any idea who is playing in the game kansa1 vs. kansai1? EuroGoTV1: no idea] ;W[hb] ;B[ib] ;W[bn]C[Plana17 [1d\]: how did the other boards end at takapotku? EuroGoTV1: board 2 and 3 still playing] ;B[kq] ;W[jq] ;B[bo] ;W[do] ;B[dp] ;W[eo] ;B[co]C[EuroGoTV1: b is byo-yomi EuroGoTV1: in EuroGoTV1: w too soon] ;W[em] ;B[ep] ;W[fp] ;B[ff] ;W[ef] ;B[fe] ;W[ee] ;B[eq] ;W[hc] ;B[fr] ;W[gr] ;B[es] ;W[fg] ;B[gg] ;W[fi] ;B[cf] ;W[de] ;B[ei] ;W[md] ;B[me] ;W[fi] ;B[bb] ;W[bf] ;B[ei] ;W[rl] ;B[sm] ;W[fi] ;B[ae] ;W[af] ;B[ei] ;W[so] ;B[sp] ;W[fi] ;B[ac] ;W[ad] ;B[ei] ;W[sl] ;B[so] ;W[fi] ;B[gh] ;W[fk] ;B[gj] ;W[fl] ;B[gs] ;W[hr] ;B[ps] ;W[or] ;B[mq] ;W[mr] ;B[no] ;W[oo] ;B[cl] ;W[he] ;B[hf] ;W[lb] ;B[lk] ;W[nb] ;B[mk] ;W[nk] ;B[im] ;W[in] ;B[hl] ;W[il] ;B[jk] ;W[im] ;B[gl]C[Plana17 [1d\]: white's endgame very solid] ;W[gm] ;B[kc] ;W[ld] ;B[ck] ;W[bk] ;B[el] ;W[ll] ;B[kk] ;W[jp] ;B[lm] ;W[mm] ;B[gk] ;W[fm] ;B[dn] ;W[en] ;B[mj] ;W[nj] ;B[qp] ;W[pq] ;B[qn] ;W[mo] ;B[mp] ;W[rn]C[baldur [5d*\]: who are the players at the next table in picture] ;B[ha] ;W[ga] ;B[ia] ;W[ge] ;B[gf] ;W[fd] ;B[qn] ;W[pj] ;B[qj] ;W[rn] ;B[gb] ;W[fa] ;B[qn] ;W[jj] ;B[ij] ;W[rn] ;B[bj] ;W[bi] ;B[qn] ;W[qi] ;B[rk] ;W[rn] ;B[be] ;W[ab] ;B[qn] ;W[rj] ;B[sk] ;W[rn] ;B[gc] ;W[gd] ;B[qn] ;W[oc] ;B[pc] ;W[rn] ;B[ea] ;W[da] ;B[qn] ;W[dk] ;B[dl] ;W[rn] ;B[la] ;W[ma] ;B[ka] ;W[qn] ;B[oa] ;W[os] ;B[qs] ;W[ao] ;B[ap] ;W[an] ;B[na] ;W[mb] ;B[hs] ;W[is] ;B[fs] ;W[jh] ;B[ih] ;W[jd] ;B[jc] ;W[ei]C[EuroGoTV1: antti and namii EuroGoTV1: w+11 EuroGoTV1: thanks for watching EuroGoTV1: i need a break EuroGoTV1: too many kos] )