(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[4200]OT[1x15 byo-yomi]
GN[Takapotku Open 2014 round 1 board 1]PW[Antti Törmänen]PB[Antti Holappa]WR[7d]BR[4d]DT[2014-01-04]EV[Takapotku Open 2014]RO[Takapotku Open 2014 round 1]PC[Espoo, Finland]US[Arto Heikkinen]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dc]
;W[cp]
;B[qd]
;W[ce]
;B[pq]
;W[qo]
;B[ed]C[xDragon [?\]: antti will win
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;W[nc]C[Lesmian [1d\]: b+5
javachip [3d\]: 7d willl win
Lesmian [1d\]: let uss hope not
Lesmian [1d\]: us
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;B[lc]C[xDragon [?\]: why not?
Lesmian [1d\]: because free people are against 7d tyranny
javachip [3d\]: how can a 4d win against a 7d?
javachip [3d\]: without a handi?
Javaness [2d\]: the 7d makes a mistake
goren2 [2k\]: it does happen, everyday 
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;W[qc]C[Higanbana [?\]: would expect it to happen as often as a game with 60+ difference occurs
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;B[pc]
;W[pd]C[kjkjk: gets him drunk
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;B[qb]
;W[rc]
;B[od]
;W[pe]
;B[oc]
;W[rb]C[xDragon [?\]: antti is a pretty new 7d anyway
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;B[of]
;W[oe]
;B[ne]
;W[qe]C[TP2014B [-\]: 4d can win with 1) time, 2) dame-filling 3) resignation or even 4) playing better moves
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;B[nf]C[goren2 [2k\]: yeah, he was 9d before
Javaness [2d\]: what is this O14 play
Higanbana [?\]: I think 4d should start a complicated fight, I think it's his best chance
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;W[dg]C[Konservas [2d?\]: no, anti can read verry well, complicated fight would be bad
Javaness [2d\]: C16
goren2 [2k\]: j17
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;B[ff]C[Konservas [2d?\]: oh god.. :>
goren2 [2k\]: yes?
Xinhui [3k\]: are they brothers?
TP2014B [-\]: they only have the same given name
TP2014A [-\]: No I don't think they are bros
xDragon [?\]: antti is given name so no
goren2 [2k\]: are TP brothers?
Konservas [2d?\]: TP?:>
TP2014B [-\]: yes we are
goren2 [2k\]: there we go
xDragon [?\]: make a bigger moyo than w, thats the key to victory
Konservas [2d?\]: white wont make moyo probably
Konservas [2d?\]: ^^
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;W[dj]C[xDragon [?\]: so b wins automatically. scoer
kjkjk: b already territora on top?
Konservas [2d?\]: so moyoy> everything else?:D
Konservas [2d?\]: its not teritory
goren2 [2k\]: top invadfable surely
TP2014A [-\]: There will soon be a commentary by Su Yang, 6 dan. On KGS he is known as JeffChang and Finnish8d
Konservas [2d?\]: lecture language?:)
xDragon [?\]: im drinking coca cola in his honor
TP2014A [-\]: English
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;B[op]C[Xinhui [3k\]: audio?
TP2014A [-\]: Not sure. I don't think so
Xinhui [3k\]: oh haha okayss? :)
Lesmian [1d\]: commentary for all or just kgs+ nobiles?
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;W[pm]C[TP2014A [-\]: I think its for everyone
Konservas [2d?\]: its not kgs plius event lol
Lesmian [1d\]: nice
TP2014C [-\]: mulla on vaan yksi katsoja, mikähän meni pieleen?
goren2 [2k\]: pierogi!
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;B[ep]C[Funshirt [7k\]: i dont hear any comment
goren2 [2k\]: finnish kinda looks estonian
hume [4k\]: you are deaf!
Funshirt [7k\]: no def not^^
sinand [5k\]: live stream
sinand [5k\]: ?
hume [4k\]: ah oj
TP2014B [-\]: they are somewhat related languages
xDragon [?\]: im guessing no camera
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;W[mp]
;B[qp]
;W[po]
;B[rp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: f14 was creative but dubious
TP2014B [-\]: I'm afraid there will be no live feed other than the games. No webcams here...
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;W[hp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: created a nice place for w to plunder
Javaness [2d\]: C5 please
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;B[en]
;W[cm]C[Konservas [2d?\]: no c5 :>
Javaness [2d\]: I thought black would try to disrupt the white side
jojo1 [8k\]: where is the stream?
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;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[dq]C[TP2014A [-\]: We dont have web cams here :(
TP2014B [-\]: This is the "stream".
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
wotan123 [1k\]: ;-)
TP2014B [-\]: the stream of moves
wotan123 [1k\]: the important one
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;W[fo]C[kmlck [-\]: i dont like komoku josekis
wotan123 [1k\]: hm
gogonuts [5d\]: for both?
goren2 [2k\]: i don't like b already
kmlck [-\]: both sides gain nothing
xDragon [?\]: i hate 3-4 in general
gogonuts [5d\]: you lack korean spirit
goren2 [2k\]: i hate 44
wotan123 [1k\]: 4-4 is nice
kmlck [-\]: sanrensei ftw
xDragon [?\]: i love 4-4 and 5-4
goren2 [2k\]: i never get the corner, and I and up losing the side as well
Lesmian [1d\]: san san is the king
Konservas [2d?\]: goren so u lose everything?:D
goren2 [2k\]: yeah
xDragon [?\]: he gets center though
gogonuts [5d\]: thats why the stronger players give it as handi - a dirty trick
kajika91 [6k\]: takamoku is really nice
jsnd [3k?\]: anyone for the 2-3 opening?
TP2014A [-\]: Is F5 normal? Looks a bit weird
wotan123 [1k\]: evil stronger player ;-)
wotan123 [1k\]: f5 looks at least not usual
goren2 [2k\]: i agree.  playing 1d with 2h at 4-4, I woud rather have any 2 stones on the sides
xDragon [?\]: kamil chwednya is known for his 2nd line openings. 4d in poland
kajika91 [6k\]: wouncering what's 4-2 would lead
kajika91 [6k\]: woundering*
kmlck [-\]: yeah kamil always opens with 2-2
kmlck [-\]: its a trick play
xDragon [?\]: ive seen 4-2 from him
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;B[fp]C[kmlck [-\]: the best way to punish 2nd linie openings is to tenuk
wotan123 [1k\]: you can play whatever you want
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;W[gp]C[goren2 [2k\]: seriously, 22 seems bad
kajika91 [6k\]: 4-2 is evil : if ur opponent wants the corner/side  u already have an invasion. mouahahah
Lesmian [1d\]: Kamil changed taste and now choses 5-2 more often
kjkjk: k10 seems interesting opening move
kmlck [-\]: opening with tengen is cheatgin
kmlck [-\]: cheating*
kajika91 [6k\]: ini feel like W didnt get a good upper right corner and bottom left is the way it should have been on both corner..
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;B[fn]C[Javaness [2d\]: unusual exchange
goren2 [2k\]: what exchange?
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;W[do]
;B[eo]
;W[hn]C[goren2 [2k\]: n3?
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;B[br]
;W[bp]
;B[ar]C[goren2 [2k\]: wo6?
goren2 [2k\]: or q12?
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;W[jc]C[kajika91 [6k\]: ohhh
kajika91 [6k\]: B's territory? no problem... ^^
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;B[nb]
;W[gc]
;B[fc]
;W[gd]C[Shaomi [4d\]: wasnt o18 really needed ?
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;B[ib]C[kajika91 [6k\]: next level reading... too much for me
kajika91 [6k\]: i could only see big fights
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;W[fb]
;B[hb]C[Shaomi [4d\]: gotta love h18
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;W[fd]C[kajika91 [6k\]: ^^
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;B[ec]
;W[gb]
;B[jb]
;W[ee]C[TP2014A [-\]: Maybe b in trouble?
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;B[cd]C[Shaomi [4d\]: i think so too even if corner lives, w suddenly got a lot of center potential
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;W[be]C[TP2014A [-\]: F14 was building a b moyo, but is now surrounded in a w moyo. Looks good for w
goren2 [2k\]: a17
kmlck [-\]: good commentary
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;B[bd]C[TP2014A [-\]: thx :)
Sheriffi [-\]: hyvä arto
TP2014A [-\]: :)
xDragon [?\]: so who told me w wasnt going to build a moyo
kmlck [-\]: this is too good for w
goren2 [2k\]: b18 kills?  or a18?
kmlck [-\]: i say f15
xDragon [?\]: does w need to kill it though
goren2 [2k\]: if he can, why not?
kmlck [-\]: because itsill not clean k
kmlck [-\]: its not clean kill*
kajika91 [6k\]: because it is gote
goren2 [2k\]: maybe it is a clean kill
kajika91 [6k\]: right side seems so huge to me
Shaomi [4d\]:  h14 ?
ViaLactea [9k\]: g13 
goren2 [2k\]: killing this is game-ending
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;W[cb]C[TP2014A [-\]: Seems like someone want to end the game
listerine: c18 was my guess but i'm terrible at this game
ViaLactea [9k\]: d15 d14 f15 
kajika91 [6k\]: i see no way for B to live even if W would have just nobi E18
xDragon [?\]: id ont even want to think aboutr the carpenters square right now
asdfasdfe: e18, black would just c18 and whites outside shape isnt perfect, white shouldnt let black live that easily
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;B[ae]C[ViaLactea [9k\]: b18 black lives
kajika91 [6k\]: C18 and W B17?
Shaomi [4d\]: b13 
asdfasdfe: b17, black has a17 tesuji which leads to seki
asdfasdfe: count by yourself
gogonuts [5d\]: o18 had a better chance at h17, imo
gogonuts [5d\]: now b is the hunted in his own moyo
Shaomi [4d\]: h18 was a bit over the board too i think
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;W[de]
;B[db]C[Javaness [2d\]: i never liked F14
TP2014A [-\]: :)
TP2014A [-\]: Maybe it was a bit too greedy
kajika91 [6k\]: B18 doesnt kill?
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;W[bb]C[kmlck [-\]: a18 is annoting
kmlck [-\]: ying*
kajika91 [6k\]: if B A18, W can B19
gogonuts [5d\]: hm, not w a18?
ViaLactea [9k\]: a19 maybe
wolokom [4k\]: seki with ko surrender
FeuduCiel [9k\]: B seams  horrible
kajika91 [6k\]: B is 4d and W is 7....
xDragon [?\]: well you should play w and see how you do
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;B[ab]C[FeuduCiel [9k\]: ok
gogonuts [5d\]: im chnaged my mind, b18 is nasty because d16 is still open
gogonuts [5d\]: this really should turn into nakade
FeuduCiel [9k\]: did'nt know
kajika91 [6k\]: nakade?
gogonuts [5d\]: shape for only one eye
kajika91 [6k\]: ok
gogonuts [5d\]: and too small for seki
TP2014A [-\]: I understand nothing of this corner. All carpenter squre things are way too difficult
wolokom [4k\]: thx
xDragon [?\]: just earlier tonight i was listening to a 5d bemoaning everything carpenters square
kajika91 [6k\]: B19 also threatens a ko
xDragon [?\]: and now its here
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;W[da]C[asdfasdfe: capenter square are even too difficult for the most the pros, if you consider all variations
kajika91 [6k\]: never heard about it
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;B[ea]
;W[eb]C[kajika91 [6k\]: ok got it now http://senseis.xmp.net/?CarpentersSquare
FeuduCiel [9k\]: on eye
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;B[ca]
;W[ba]C[kajika91 [6k\]: B 100% dead
donkisot [2d\]: really?
kajika91 [6k\]: F15 wont give enough time
kajika91 [6k\]: i can only see the cut to save B
donkisot [2d\]: thx
donkisot [2d\]: no ko then.. i need to read more to see it
kajika91 [6k\]: now it is just impossible to get 2 eyes for B
Zairex [5k\]: b17 ko ?
kajika91 [6k\]: If he cuts now white will play the ko while escaping
kajika91 [6k\]: if he doesnt white connects and gg
cailloux [2k\]: a16 and ko
kajika91 [6k\]: B17?
Zairex [5k\]: a16 and white will just b17
TuLy [5k\]: hard ko
Prodigious [-\]: isn't even a ko unfortunately
donkisot [2d\]: why?
kajika91 [6k\]: after the F15 cut W H14 will be very strong
Prodigious [-\]: what's your next move as b?
donkisot [2d\]: a16 or b17
gogonuts [5d\]: the ko is just a bonus for w, even without it he should be able to handle b f15
Prodigious [-\]: b17 f19 d19 d16 c17 a16 
Zairex [5k\]: f19 cool
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;B[ad]C[cailloux [2k\]: ;)
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;W[fa]C[Prodigious [-\]: this is essentially the same
kajika91 [6k\]: here we go
donkisot [2d\]: now what prod?
Prodigious [-\]: same thing
donkisot [2d\]: ok thx
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;B[bh]C[kajika91 [6k\]: lol W so confident about the kill
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;W[ci]C[ViaLactea [9k\]: d14 
goBum [2d?\]: what's w killing? upper left?
kajika91 [6k\]: if W capture at D19 B has no eye in the corner...
TuLy [5k\]: it seems, b is dead
gogonuts [5d\]: b can connect at d19 in sente, but there is no gote eye on the ouside
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;B[ck]
;W[bj]C[kajika91 [6k\]: lol
TuLy [5k\]: d9 seems interesting
kajika91 [6k\]: i really wounder why both player not intersting in the F15 cut...
FeuduCiel [9k\]: B watts low  left?
kajika91 [6k\]: D9 -> B9?
gogonuts [5d\]: we might get it yet, but it will fail
ViaLactea [9k\]: d12 maybe way to escape
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;B[nn]C[kajika91 [6k\]: O6?!!!!
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;W[kp]
;B[qk]C[LEIBNIZ [2k\]: hmm, b flailing
TP2014A [-\]: Maybe now is time for lotsa overplays for b
TuLy [5k\]: r5 group becomes weaker
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;W[ol]C[kajika91 [6k\]: B has to make a come back
goren2 [2k\]: i would even give b q5, but instead get a nice center
gogonuts [5d\]: b will be tilting at windmills from here on
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;B[np]C[kajika91 [6k\]: O14 B's group can invade the center so easily
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;W[mo]
;B[on]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w will not allow interesting complications
goren2 [2k\]: m8
kajika91 [6k\]: time to Q11 or something
kajika91 [6k\]: im sure there are ways to got the right side at the cost of the bottom corner for W...
]
;W[oj]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[qf]C[Loxios [1d\]: omg what a big kill upper left
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;W[rd]
;B[pf]
;W[se]C[Loxios [1d\]: why not game over ?
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;B[qm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b is too shell shocked to resign
kajika91 [6k\]: W warikomi?
xDragon [?\]: that was b's moyo on top too
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;W[ml]C[xDragon [?\]: and noiw its...not
gogonuts [5d\]: w shpe is bad here and b is safe, so i guess w will tenuki
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;B[mq]
;W[lq]C[goguma: ??
]
;B[lm]C[kajika91 [6k\]: this will end badly for B
TP2014A [-\]: Su Yang is commenting the games on eurogotv. Here is a link: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI
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;W[kk]C[kajika91 [6k\]: he kepts throwing stones all over the place
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;B[mm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: against another 4d, b might get a chance to attack the whole group, but this w will surely not allow it
TP2014A [-\]: Su Yang = ama 6d
kajika91 [6k\]: W shape seem good to me at the right side?
kentia [1d\]: hey nice, commentary
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;W[pn]
;B[ll]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]
;W[mj]
;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[lj]
;W[ml]
;B[da]C[HW9x9 [1k\]: this weekend no login needed for the live stream
xDragon [?\]: its not loading for me
Konservas [2d?\]: how Su YAng is really cool :)
HW9x9 [1k\]: refresh
xDragon [?\]: i did
HW9x9 [1k\]: next week we will have a much better solution
TP2014B [-\]: it might need login
xDragon [?\]: i did login, same thing
xDragon [?\]: stream just black screen
HW9x9 [1k\]: i disabled login for this tournament
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;W[dd]
;B[mk]
;W[mi]
;B[pk]
;W[ok]
;B[kj]
;W[ml]
;B[cc]C[xDragon [?\]: i went to ustream site itself and it loaded there
kajika91 [6k\]: is W really considering cutting N7?
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;W[bc]
;B[mk]
;W[qi]C[MajorTom [3d\]: the stream does not work for me :(
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;B[rn]C[xDragon [?\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eurogotv-fi
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;W[dk]C[xDragon [?\]: try there, it loaded for me there when it didnt work oneurogotv site
Konservas [2d?\]: but stream is so laggy
Konservas [2d?\]: -_-
xDragon [?\]: its not that bad
]
;B[jk]
;W[ml]C[xDragon [?\]: hes finishing up anyway, he thought game is done after top left died
MajorTom [3d\]: thanks xdragon
kajika91 [6k\]: B J10?
kajika91 [6k\]: after L7
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;B[bf]C[kajika91 [6k\]: 8
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;W[cg]
;B[mk]
;W[ro]C[kentia [1d\]: hands up b
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;B[so]
;W[ml]C[Loxios [1d\]: 68 for w + komi, 36 for b
kajika91 [6k\]: Why B taking so much time? isnt he gonna threaten at B13?
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;B[pl]C[kajika91 [6k\]: oh
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;W[om]
;B[mk]
;W[qh]C[kajika91 [6k\]: wut?
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;B[kl]
;W[hf]C[kajika91 [6k\]: W gave up so much from this bottom right
TP2014A [-\]: B resigns. Thx for watching and kibizing
MajorTom [3d\]: thx for relay
Javaness [2d\]: thanks
TP2014A [-\]: round 2 starts in 1 hour and 45 minutes
HW9x9 [1k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI comment live
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