(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[4200]OT[1x15 byo-yomi]
GN[Takapotku Open round 4 board 1]PW[Antti Holappa]PB[Juri Kuronen]WR[4d]BR[6d]DT[2014-01-05]EV[Takapotku Open 2014]RO[4]PC[Espoo, Finland]US[Arto Heikkinen, EGF 2 dan]C[TP2014A [-\]: paritus ei oo viel valmis. kohta puolin pitäs olla valmista
TPStage1: paritus valmis
TPStage1: ykköspöytä W holappa antti [4d\], b kuronen juri [6d\]
]RE[B+10.00]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[dp]
;W[qd]
;B[qo]
;W[jq]
;B[cf]
;W[fc]
;B[gq]
;W[mq]
;B[dj]
;W[cp]
;B[co]
;W[cq]
;B[bo]
;W[er]
;B[fp]
;W[br]
;B[lp]
;W[lq]
;B[jp]
;W[kp]
;B[ko]
;W[kq]
;B[ip]
;W[lo]
;B[kn]
;W[mo]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: who is playing?
]
;B[ef]C[TP2014A [-\]: W: Antti Holappa (4 dan) B: Juri Kuronen (6 dan)
NlsBlr [1d\]: thx
TP2014A [-\]: np
yunoo: horrible fuseki for w so far
TPStage1: Black has made a very big basket to put all his eggs in
TP2014A [-\]: W has lots of small baskets
gogonuts [5d\]: pros dont like k3 anymore, because of the moves to d10
gogonuts [5d\]: but the real problem was c3 imo
gogonuts [5d\]: really had to ply b5
Backseeed [4d\]: e2 also inferior to d3 I think
gogonuts [5d\]: b ecstatic to here
fractic [-\]: wasn't k4 an overplay though?
gogonuts [5d\]: almost looks like b got an extra move
fractic [-\]: can't white answre at j4 instead
Backseeed [4d\]: j4 not possible
Backseeed [4d\]: then cut
gogonuts [5d\]: m4,k4 was useful, wasnt it
fractic [-\]: doesn't that require g3 to be at h3
fractic [-\]: i thought with g3 black normally plays m4 and j4 instead
Backseeed [4d\]: I think it is possible here, because black would cut at j3 if j4
fractic [-\]: yeah i suppose having f4 helps black in that fight too
gogonuts [5d\]: w needs to get extravagant
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe try g9
Backseeed [4d\]: but he will have to worry about that stone then
gogonuts [5d\]: sure
Backseeed [4d\]: maybe just b16 is better
gogonuts [5d\]: b16 is normal
Backseeed [4d\]: indeed
gogonuts [5d\]: but w needs to try harder, imo
TP2014A [-\]: w really taking his time here
Backseeed [4d\]: still a very long game
gogonuts [5d\]: because he feels b16 not good enough :-)
yunoo: use d5 in some way maybe
]
;W[id]C[Backseeed [4d\]: j16 wants to deny g16 hit?
Snowfall [2d?\]: g15 h16 then j13 or something?
Snowfall [2d?\]: and claim it all
gogonuts [5d\]: J13 right away
Snowfall [2d?\]: my bad style? :D
Snowfall [2d?\]: silly forcing?
gogonuts [5d\]: and not a safe force
]
;B[oc]C[yunoo: or j14, but upper side grows big
gogonuts [5d\]: making the center even bigger would have been natural flow, but b is already trying to reduce risk
WeiqiMa [4k\]: shouldn't black have played forth line (P16)?
]
;W[mc]
;B[pe]
;W[pd]
;B[od]
;W[oe]
;B[ne]
;W[of]
;B[md]
;W[ld]
;B[nf]
;W[pf]
;B[lc]
;W[kc]
;B[lb]C[Backseeed [4d\]: I wonder why black prevented the fighting variation
Backseeed [4d\]: seemed perfect for his strength
]
;W[kd]
;B[kb]C[jungle [2k\]: l16 
]
;W[jb]
;B[ib]
;W[ja]C[Backseeed [4d\]: k19 seems wrong
Backseeed [4d\]: leaves bad aji
pinkrobot [1d\]: after n18 will probably fix it
Backseeed [4d\]: fix it is slow
Backseeed [4d\]: then it will be bad as well
Backseeed [4d\]: its like use a move for endgame
]
;B[mb]
;W[ge]C[jungle [2k\]: r10 
Jazzman [1k\]: g13 looks more reasonable
]
;B[gf]C[Snowfall [2d?\]: how is r10 interesting ? :x
EMeeren [8k\]: if r10 can't w invade around r8/7 sometime?
]
;W[dk]C[jungle [2k\]: e10 
Jazzman [1k\]: r7/r8 no invasion :-)
]
;B[ek]C[Jazzman [1k\]: ah sory, i got you wrong
]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[dl]
;B[cl]C[EMeeren [8k\]: as in it is not effective or not an "invasion" per se?
Luffyy [3d\]: seems painful for w
Wichmaster [6d\]: it isaninvasion and a good pointlater
TP2014A [-\]: yup. seems very hard
]
;W[cm]
;B[bm]C[Wichmaster [6d\]: w will collapse hardly
]
;W[ce]C[oliolioli [4k\]: reduction too deep?
]
;B[bf]
;W[dg]
;B[df]
;W[di]
;B[ej]
;W[ei]C[TP2014A [-\]: results so far: http://sqa.fi/takapotku/takapotku2014_StandingsR3.html
]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[eh]
;W[bl]
;B[bk]
;W[eg]
;B[fg]
;W[gh]
;B[ci]
;W[bj]
;B[al]
;W[dh]
;B[ch]C[TP2014A [-\]: w has 36 min left, b has 52
oliolioli [4k\]: g11 now?
]
;W[gg]
;B[gj]
;W[ff]
;B[ij]
;W[cg]
;B[bh]
;W[bg]
;B[ag]
;W[ai]
;B[ah]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: nice
]
;W[ak]C[Jazzman [1k\]: allowing f14 was strange
]
;B[aj]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: any threats?
]
;W[gi]C[Luffyy [3d\]: maybe w should have wait before this ko
oliolioli [4k\]: n15?
]
;B[bi]
;W[fj]
;B[gk]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: ...
TP2014A [-\]: that ko threat  seemed waay too small
NlsBlr [1d\]: y
TP2014A [-\]: ko was huge after all
KiraLNear [3d\]: lol at that ko threat xD
Luffyy [3d\]: yeah, w had to wait
]
;W[qj]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: there were some big threats in the LR
]
;B[ql]
;W[oj]C[TP2014A [-\]: yea
]
;B[cc]C[Jazzman [1k\]: 17ß
Jazzman [1k\]: yes...:)
]
;W[dc]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: easy game for b
]
;B[fe]
;W[hf]
;B[cd]C[TPStage1: commentary will start shortly on the 2nd board game
TPStage1: 1st board later
]
;W[cb]C[TPStage1: (maybe)
]
;B[de]C[TPStage1: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI commentary by http://www.nordicgoacademy.com/teachers/jeff/
]
;W[bc]
;B[bd]
;W[ad]
;B[be]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qc]
;B[rj]
;W[rk]
;B[qk]
;W[rl]
;B[pj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g11 was a poor threat, too bad
]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]
;W[qm]
;B[pm]
;W[qn]
;B[pn]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]C[Luffyy [3d\]: it sems s10 was too much
oliolioli [4k\]: quality of that stream is awful...
]
;W[rn]
;B[po]
;W[qh]
;B[ok]
;W[rq]
;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[ph]
;W[qg]
;B[mm]
;W[ji]
;B[dq]
;W[dr]
;B[nr]C[Luffyy [3d\]: w seems winning now
KiraLNear [3d\]: jeff is so nice
TP2014A [-\]: I wonder if it was a good idea by b to give w all the territory on the right side
TP2014A [-\]: q7 wall does not seem to do much
]
;W[mr]
;B[sp]
;W[jj]
;B[jk]
;W[ik]
;B[il]
;W[kk]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: mistake
]
;B[hk]C[elianovici [2d\]: w win
]
;W[jl]
;B[so]
;W[rm]
;B[or]
;W[qp]
;B[qq]
;W[sn]
;B[pp]
;W[ik]
;B[im]
;W[iq]C[TP2014A [-\]: b18 big?
elianovici [2d\]: very
TP2014A [-\]: would have played there insted of this move
Javaness [2d\]: indeed white seems ahead
TP2014A [-\]: a w win here would be huge surprise :)
Snowfall [2d?\]: esp after g11 :P
TP2014A [-\]: yeah :)
elianovici [2d\]: how old is w
elianovici [2d\]: ?
]
;B[bb]C[elianovici [2d\]: a18 
TP2014A [-\]: not sure. 30 something I think
pok [2d\]: w is looking for threat before a18
]
;W[ab]
;B[ac]C[pok [2d\]: it seems he founded 
]
;W[me]
;B[nd]
;W[bc]
;B[ri]
;W[rh]
;B[ac]
;W[fk]
;B[fl]
;W[bc]
;B[sk]
;W[si]
;B[ac]
;W[fi]
;B[db]
;W[el]
;B[cj]C[just9x9 [-\]: wow
]
;W[gl]C[elianovici [2d\]: oh
pok [2d\]: arg
]
;B[fm]C[elianovici [2d\]: lol
]
;W[hl]
;B[jk]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: hehehe
Luffyy [3d\]: terrible mistake by w
pok [2d\]: w has no choice but to win this
elianovici [2d\]: yes
pok [2d\]: and no threat
TP2014A [-\]: yea he gotta win this
just9x9 [-\]: t3 but small
TP2014A [-\]: or its game over
]
;W[sq]C[Snowfall [2d?\]: ban white from playing Ko's for a while :P
]
;B[qp]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: ajikeshi style
]
;W[ik]
;B[sl]C[just9x9 [-\]: oh b answers
]
;W[sj]
;B[jk]C[Poney [2d\]: you can't ignore T3
just9x9 [-\]: i could :)
Poney [2d\]: lol
TP2014A [-\]: :)
]
;W[eb]C[Minjhou [7k?\]: ops
elianovici [2d\]: w lose here
elianovici [2d\]: a lot:)
]
;B[ca]
;W[ik]
;B[rj]
;W[ri]
;B[jk]
;W[eq]
;B[ik]
;W[ep]
;B[fo]
;W[eo]
;B[en]
;W[do]
;B[dn]
;W[hq]
;B[hp]
;W[gr]C[elianovici [2d\]: w still ahead
]
;B[je]
;W[jd]
;B[kj]C[TP2014A [-\]: hmmm really?
TP2014A [-\]: his been taking so much punishment
elianovici [2d\]: yes
elianovici [2d\]: it is close
]
;W[lh]
;B[lj]
;W[mf]
;B[ii]
;W[ih]C[elianovici [2d\]: or b+4-5
]
;B[lg]C[elianovici [2d\]: now b+10:)))
just9x9 [-\]: or close
JesusTeAma [3k\]: and not with this tesuji ?
JesusTeAma [3k\]: *now
Luffyy [3d\]: it's close yes
elianovici [2d\]: yes....
TP2014A [-\]: I assume that if W plays n13 somethin exploders
Woodstock [-\]: not close enough to give white a chance
]
;W[li]
;B[ki]
;W[jh]
;B[kh]
;W[mg]
;B[kg]C[elianovici [2d\]: this is it
TP2014A [-\]: weird..
elianovici [2d\]: b+..
just9x9 [-\]: antti seems to be a popular finnish name?
]
;W[nh]
;B[mi]
;W[mh]C[oliolioli [4k\]: poor white
]
;B[ni]C[Thumb [3d\]: They're very contrarian up there
jojotus [3d\]: just9x9: there are 4 antti's in this tournament
Javaness [2d\]: looks close to ,e
just9x9 [-\]: hehe
]
;W[nn]
;B[nm]
;W[ln]
;B[lm]C[pok [2d\]: sorry, is the komi 7 or 6.5 ?
]
;W[fd]C[jojotus [3d\]: 7
]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[ee]
;W[bp]C[pok [2d\]: ok, so tie possible
just9x9 [-\]: so b gets his second lucky win it seems...
Romeda [1k\]: j13
Woodstock [-\]: lucky how?
Thumb [3d\]: O5
just9x9 [-\]: well, winning a game that was already hopeless according to kibitz :)
]
;B[ie]
;W[he]C[jojotus [3d\]: haha, kibitz
Woodstock [-\]: i forgot...the high council of KGS kibitz
Thumb [3d\]: J13 then
]
;B[ke]
;W[oh]
;B[oi]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: w was grredy without count threats before, that's why he losse
]
;W[fq]
;B[le]
;W[og]
;B[no]
;W[gp]
;B[go]C[elianovici [2d\]: let's bet
]
;W[mn]
;B[on]C[just9x9 [-\]: bet
elianovici [2d\]: i think b+3.5
]
;W[nq]
;B[oq]C[just9x9 [-\]: i doubt that strongly :)
just9x9 [-\]: bet my house against it
oliolioli [4k\]: if komi is 7 then cannot be .5 anything ;)
]
;W[ka]
;B[la]
;W[hd]
;B[oa]
;W[pc]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: hehehehe
]
;B[pa]
;W[qa]C[elianovici [2d\]: ok
]
;B[ea]C[elianovici [2d\]: then b+0
]
;W[fa]
;B[da]C[jojotus [3d\]: not possible either
elianovici [2d\]: :))
elianovici [2d\]: why?
jojotus [3d\]: it's not b+, it's jigo
]
;W[hi]
;B[ig]
;W[jg]C[elianovici [2d\]: oh
]
;B[if]
;W[lf]
;B[kf]
;W[ao]
;B[an]
;W[ap]
;B[ms]
;W[ls]
;B[ns]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: +0 is mathematically impossible 
]
;W[pg]
;B[gq]
;W[nb]
;B[nc]C[oliolioli [4k\]: no
]
;W[gp]C[oliolioli [4k\]: +0=-0
]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]
;B[gq]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: 0 isnt positive neither negative :P
]
;W[ba]
;B[cb]
;W[gp]
;B[lr]
;W[kr]
;B[gq]
;W[oo]
;B[op]
;W[gp]C[oliolioli [4k\]: yes, but you can still add it
]
;B[ks]
;W[js]
;B[gq]
;W[pl]
;B[pk]
;W[gp]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[gq]
;W[ma]
;B[na]
;W[gp]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[gq]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]
;W[gp]
;B[ra]
;W[sa]
;B[gq]C[elianovici [2d\]: B+10
just9x9 [-\]: +11
elianovici [2d\]: or 11
]
;W[hh]
;B[gp]C[elianovici [2d\]: yes:))
just9x9 [-\]: in SE we trust
]
;W[ng]
;B[jf]
;W[hg]C[TP2014A [-\]: passpass
TP2014A [-\]: players are counting the score
TP2014A [-\]: komi 7 points
TP2014A [-\]: B + 10
TP2014A [-\]: thanks for watching!
elianovici [2d\]: ha!
logstore [-\]: gg
elianovici [2d\]: gg
TP2014A [-\]: last round of the tournament will be tomorrow
Thumb [3d\]: Thanks for relaying TP
WeiqiMa [4k\]: thanks for broadcasting.
Javaness [2d\]: kiitos
just9x9 [-\]: tx TP. tell the players they miscounted. its b+11 :))
sinand [5k\]: b+11
TP2014A [-\]: ok I will tell them
TP2014A [-\]: maybe 1 of the captured stones fell off somewhere
TP2014A [-\]: after this Juri is the only top group player with 4 wins
omggg [?\]: is there a link to the results?
])
