(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[4200]OT[1x15 byo-yomi] GN[Takapotku Open round 4 board 1]PW[Antti Holappa]PB[Juri Kuronen]WR[4d]BR[6d]DT[2014-01-05]EV[Takapotku Open 2014]RO[4]PC[Espoo, Finland]US[Arto Heikkinen, EGF 2 dan]C[TP2014A [-\]: paritus ei oo viel valmis. kohta puolin pitäs olla valmista TPStage1: paritus valmis TPStage1: ykköspöytä W holappa antti [4d\], b kuronen juri [6d\] ]RE[B+10.00] ;B[pq] ;W[dd] ;B[dp] ;W[qd] ;B[qo] ;W[jq] ;B[cf] ;W[fc] ;B[gq] ;W[mq] ;B[dj] ;W[cp] ;B[co] ;W[cq] ;B[bo] ;W[er] ;B[fp] ;W[br] ;B[lp] ;W[lq] ;B[jp] ;W[kp] ;B[ko] ;W[kq] ;B[ip] ;W[lo] ;B[kn] ;W[mo]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: who is playing? ] ;B[ef]C[TP2014A [-\]: W: Antti Holappa (4 dan) B: Juri Kuronen (6 dan) NlsBlr [1d\]: thx TP2014A [-\]: np yunoo: horrible fuseki for w so far TPStage1: Black has made a very big basket to put all his eggs in TP2014A [-\]: W has lots of small baskets gogonuts [5d\]: pros dont like k3 anymore, because of the moves to d10 gogonuts [5d\]: but the real problem was c3 imo gogonuts [5d\]: really had to ply b5 Backseeed [4d\]: e2 also inferior to d3 I think gogonuts [5d\]: b ecstatic to here fractic [-\]: wasn't k4 an overplay though? gogonuts [5d\]: almost looks like b got an extra move fractic [-\]: can't white answre at j4 instead Backseeed [4d\]: j4 not possible Backseeed [4d\]: then cut gogonuts [5d\]: m4,k4 was useful, wasnt it fractic [-\]: doesn't that require g3 to be at h3 fractic [-\]: i thought with g3 black normally plays m4 and j4 instead Backseeed [4d\]: I think it is possible here, because black would cut at j3 if j4 fractic [-\]: yeah i suppose having f4 helps black in that fight too gogonuts [5d\]: w needs to get extravagant gogonuts [5d\]: maybe try g9 Backseeed [4d\]: but he will have to worry about that stone then gogonuts [5d\]: sure Backseeed [4d\]: maybe just b16 is better gogonuts [5d\]: b16 is normal Backseeed [4d\]: indeed gogonuts [5d\]: but w needs to try harder, imo TP2014A [-\]: w really taking his time here Backseeed [4d\]: still a very long game gogonuts [5d\]: because he feels b16 not good enough :-) yunoo: use d5 in some way maybe ] ;W[id]C[Backseeed [4d\]: j16 wants to deny g16 hit? Snowfall [2d?\]: g15 h16 then j13 or something? Snowfall [2d?\]: and claim it all gogonuts [5d\]: J13 right away Snowfall [2d?\]: my bad style? :D Snowfall [2d?\]: silly forcing? gogonuts [5d\]: and not a safe force ] ;B[oc]C[yunoo: or j14, but upper side grows big gogonuts [5d\]: making the center even bigger would have been natural flow, but b is already trying to reduce risk WeiqiMa [4k\]: shouldn't black have played forth line (P16)? ] ;W[mc] ;B[pe] ;W[pd] ;B[od] ;W[oe] ;B[ne] ;W[of] ;B[md] ;W[ld] ;B[nf] ;W[pf] ;B[lc] ;W[kc] ;B[lb]C[Backseeed [4d\]: I wonder why black prevented the fighting variation Backseeed [4d\]: seemed perfect for his strength ] ;W[kd] ;B[kb]C[jungle [2k\]: l16 ] ;W[jb] ;B[ib] ;W[ja]C[Backseeed [4d\]: k19 seems wrong Backseeed [4d\]: leaves bad aji pinkrobot [1d\]: after n18 will probably fix it Backseeed [4d\]: fix it is slow Backseeed [4d\]: then it will be bad as well Backseeed [4d\]: its like use a move for endgame ] ;B[mb] ;W[ge]C[jungle [2k\]: r10 Jazzman [1k\]: g13 looks more reasonable ] ;B[gf]C[Snowfall [2d?\]: how is r10 interesting ? :x EMeeren [8k\]: if r10 can't w invade around r8/7 sometime? ] ;W[dk]C[jungle [2k\]: e10 Jazzman [1k\]: r7/r8 no invasion :-) ] ;B[ek]C[Jazzman [1k\]: ah sory, i got you wrong ] ;W[cj] ;B[ck] ;W[dl] ;B[cl]C[EMeeren [8k\]: as in it is not effective or not an "invasion" per se? Luffyy [3d\]: seems painful for w Wichmaster [6d\]: it isaninvasion and a good pointlater TP2014A [-\]: yup. seems very hard ] ;W[cm] ;B[bm]C[Wichmaster [6d\]: w will collapse hardly ] ;W[ce]C[oliolioli [4k\]: reduction too deep? ] ;B[bf] ;W[dg] ;B[df] ;W[di] ;B[ej] ;W[ei]C[TP2014A [-\]: results so far: http://sqa.fi/takapotku/takapotku2014_StandingsR3.html ] ;B[fi] ;W[fh] ;B[eh] ;W[bl] ;B[bk] ;W[eg] ;B[fg] ;W[gh] ;B[ci] ;W[bj] ;B[al] ;W[dh] ;B[ch]C[TP2014A [-\]: w has 36 min left, b has 52 oliolioli [4k\]: g11 now? ] ;W[gg] ;B[gj] ;W[ff] ;B[ij] ;W[cg] ;B[bh] ;W[bg] ;B[ag] ;W[ai] ;B[ah]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: nice ] ;W[ak]C[Jazzman [1k\]: allowing f14 was strange ] ;B[aj]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: any threats? ] ;W[gi]C[Luffyy [3d\]: maybe w should have wait before this ko oliolioli [4k\]: n15? ] ;B[bi] ;W[fj] ;B[gk]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: ... TP2014A [-\]: that ko threat seemed waay too small NlsBlr [1d\]: y TP2014A [-\]: ko was huge after all KiraLNear [3d\]: lol at that ko threat xD Luffyy [3d\]: yeah, w had to wait ] ;W[qj]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: there were some big threats in the LR ] ;B[ql] ;W[oj]C[TP2014A [-\]: yea ] ;B[cc]C[Jazzman [1k\]: 17ß Jazzman [1k\]: yes...:) ] ;W[dc]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: easy game for b ] ;B[fe] ;W[hf] ;B[cd]C[TPStage1: commentary will start shortly on the 2nd board game TPStage1: 1st board later ] ;W[cb]C[TPStage1: (maybe) ] ;B[de]C[TPStage1: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI commentary by http://www.nordicgoacademy.com/teachers/jeff/ ] ;W[bc] ;B[bd] ;W[ad] ;B[be] ;W[pb] ;B[ob] ;W[qc] ;B[rj] ;W[rk] ;B[qk] ;W[rl] ;B[pj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g11 was a poor threat, too bad ] ;W[qi] ;B[pi] ;W[qm] ;B[pm] ;W[qn] ;B[pn] ;W[ro] ;B[rp]C[Luffyy [3d\]: it sems s10 was too much oliolioli [4k\]: quality of that stream is awful... ] ;W[rn] ;B[po] ;W[qh] ;B[ok] ;W[rq] ;B[np] ;W[mp] ;B[ph] ;W[qg] ;B[mm] ;W[ji] ;B[dq] ;W[dr] ;B[nr]C[Luffyy [3d\]: w seems winning now KiraLNear [3d\]: jeff is so nice TP2014A [-\]: I wonder if it was a good idea by b to give w all the territory on the right side TP2014A [-\]: q7 wall does not seem to do much ] ;W[mr] ;B[sp] ;W[jj] ;B[jk] ;W[ik] ;B[il] ;W[kk]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: mistake ] ;B[hk]C[elianovici [2d\]: w win ] ;W[jl] ;B[so] ;W[rm] ;B[or] ;W[qp] ;B[qq] ;W[sn] ;B[pp] ;W[ik] ;B[im] ;W[iq]C[TP2014A [-\]: b18 big? elianovici [2d\]: very TP2014A [-\]: would have played there insted of this move Javaness [2d\]: indeed white seems ahead TP2014A [-\]: a w win here would be huge surprise :) Snowfall [2d?\]: esp after g11 :P TP2014A [-\]: yeah :) elianovici [2d\]: how old is w elianovici [2d\]: ? ] ;B[bb]C[elianovici [2d\]: a18 TP2014A [-\]: not sure. 30 something I think pok [2d\]: w is looking for threat before a18 ] ;W[ab] ;B[ac]C[pok [2d\]: it seems he founded ] ;W[me] ;B[nd] ;W[bc] ;B[ri] ;W[rh] ;B[ac] ;W[fk] ;B[fl] ;W[bc] ;B[sk] ;W[si] ;B[ac] ;W[fi] ;B[db] ;W[el] ;B[cj]C[just9x9 [-\]: wow ] ;W[gl]C[elianovici [2d\]: oh pok [2d\]: arg ] ;B[fm]C[elianovici [2d\]: lol ] ;W[hl] ;B[jk]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: hehehe Luffyy [3d\]: terrible mistake by w pok [2d\]: w has no choice but to win this elianovici [2d\]: yes pok [2d\]: and no threat TP2014A [-\]: yea he gotta win this just9x9 [-\]: t3 but small TP2014A [-\]: or its game over ] ;W[sq]C[Snowfall [2d?\]: ban white from playing Ko's for a while :P ] ;B[qp]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: ajikeshi style ] ;W[ik] ;B[sl]C[just9x9 [-\]: oh b answers ] ;W[sj] ;B[jk]C[Poney [2d\]: you can't ignore T3 just9x9 [-\]: i could :) Poney [2d\]: lol TP2014A [-\]: :) ] ;W[eb]C[Minjhou [7k?\]: ops elianovici [2d\]: w lose here elianovici [2d\]: a lot:) ] ;B[ca] ;W[ik] ;B[rj] ;W[ri] ;B[jk] ;W[eq] ;B[ik] ;W[ep] ;B[fo] ;W[eo] ;B[en] ;W[do] ;B[dn] ;W[hq] ;B[hp] ;W[gr]C[elianovici [2d\]: w still ahead ] ;B[je] ;W[jd] ;B[kj]C[TP2014A [-\]: hmmm really? TP2014A [-\]: his been taking so much punishment elianovici [2d\]: yes elianovici [2d\]: it is close ] ;W[lh] ;B[lj] ;W[mf] ;B[ii] ;W[ih]C[elianovici [2d\]: or b+4-5 ] ;B[lg]C[elianovici [2d\]: now b+10:))) just9x9 [-\]: or close JesusTeAma [3k\]: and not with this tesuji ? JesusTeAma [3k\]: *now Luffyy [3d\]: it's close yes elianovici [2d\]: yes.... TP2014A [-\]: I assume that if W plays n13 somethin exploders Woodstock [-\]: not close enough to give white a chance ] ;W[li] ;B[ki] ;W[jh] ;B[kh] ;W[mg] ;B[kg]C[elianovici [2d\]: this is it TP2014A [-\]: weird.. elianovici [2d\]: b+.. just9x9 [-\]: antti seems to be a popular finnish name? ] ;W[nh] ;B[mi] ;W[mh]C[oliolioli [4k\]: poor white ] ;B[ni]C[Thumb [3d\]: They're very contrarian up there jojotus [3d\]: just9x9: there are 4 antti's in this tournament Javaness [2d\]: looks close to ,e just9x9 [-\]: hehe ] ;W[nn] ;B[nm] ;W[ln] ;B[lm]C[pok [2d\]: sorry, is the komi 7 or 6.5 ? ] ;W[fd]C[jojotus [3d\]: 7 ] ;B[ed] ;W[ec] ;B[ee] ;W[bp]C[pok [2d\]: ok, so tie possible just9x9 [-\]: so b gets his second lucky win it seems... Romeda [1k\]: j13 Woodstock [-\]: lucky how? Thumb [3d\]: O5 just9x9 [-\]: well, winning a game that was already hopeless according to kibitz :) ] ;B[ie] ;W[he]C[jojotus [3d\]: haha, kibitz Woodstock [-\]: i forgot...the high council of KGS kibitz Thumb [3d\]: J13 then ] ;B[ke] ;W[oh] ;B[oi]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: w was grredy without count threats before, that's why he losse ] ;W[fq] ;B[le] ;W[og] ;B[no] ;W[gp] ;B[go]C[elianovici [2d\]: let's bet ] ;W[mn] ;B[on]C[just9x9 [-\]: bet elianovici [2d\]: i think b+3.5 ] ;W[nq] ;B[oq]C[just9x9 [-\]: i doubt that strongly :) just9x9 [-\]: bet my house against it oliolioli [4k\]: if komi is 7 then cannot be .5 anything ;) ] ;W[ka] ;B[la] ;W[hd] ;B[oa] ;W[pc]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: hehehehe ] ;B[pa] ;W[qa]C[elianovici [2d\]: ok ] ;B[ea]C[elianovici [2d\]: then b+0 ] ;W[fa] ;B[da]C[jojotus [3d\]: not possible either elianovici [2d\]: :)) elianovici [2d\]: why? jojotus [3d\]: it's not b+, it's jigo ] ;W[hi] ;B[ig] ;W[jg]C[elianovici [2d\]: oh ] ;B[if] ;W[lf] ;B[kf] ;W[ao] ;B[an] ;W[ap] ;B[ms] ;W[ls] ;B[ns]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: +0 is mathematically impossible ] ;W[pg] ;B[gq] ;W[nb] ;B[nc]C[oliolioli [4k\]: no ] ;W[gp]C[oliolioli [4k\]: +0=-0 ] ;B[gb] ;W[fb] ;B[gq]C[JesusTeAma [3k\]: 0 isnt positive neither negative :P ] ;W[ba] ;B[cb] ;W[gp] ;B[lr] ;W[kr] ;B[gq] ;W[oo] ;B[op] ;W[gp]C[oliolioli [4k\]: yes, but you can still add it ] ;B[ks] ;W[js] ;B[gq] ;W[pl] ;B[pk] ;W[gp] ;B[qb] ;W[rb] ;B[gq] ;W[ma] ;B[na] ;W[gp] ;B[gc] ;W[gd] ;B[gq] ;W[cn] ;B[bn] ;W[gp] ;B[ra] ;W[sa] ;B[gq]C[elianovici [2d\]: B+10 just9x9 [-\]: +11 elianovici [2d\]: or 11 ] ;W[hh] ;B[gp]C[elianovici [2d\]: yes:)) just9x9 [-\]: in SE we trust ] ;W[ng] ;B[jf] ;W[hg]C[TP2014A [-\]: passpass TP2014A [-\]: players are counting the score TP2014A [-\]: komi 7 points TP2014A [-\]: B + 10 TP2014A [-\]: thanks for watching! elianovici [2d\]: ha! logstore [-\]: gg elianovici [2d\]: gg TP2014A [-\]: last round of the tournament will be tomorrow Thumb [3d\]: Thanks for relaying TP WeiqiMa [4k\]: thanks for broadcasting. Javaness [2d\]: kiitos just9x9 [-\]: tx TP. tell the players they miscounted. its b+11 :)) sinand [5k\]: b+11 TP2014A [-\]: ok I will tell them TP2014A [-\]: maybe 1 of the captured stones fell off somewhere TP2014A [-\]: after this Juri is the only top group player with 4 wins omggg [?\]: is there a link to the results? ])