(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[4200]OT[1x15 byo-yomi]
GN[Takapotku Open 2014 round 3 board 1]PW[Juri Kuronen]PB[Antti Törmänen]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-05]EV[Takapotku Open 2014]RO[round 3]PC[Espoo, Finland]US[Arto Heikkinen, EGF 2 dan]C[Eilinen [-\]: Ootko ainut kirjaaja? : |
TP2014A [-\]: Pitäs tulla ainakin toinen kirjaaja. Ehkä kolmaskin
TP2014A [-\]: Good morning everyone. Round 3 starts soon. Players are a bit late 
TP2014A [-\]: Not sure if the pairing is ready
TP2014A [-\]: The game should start very soon. Just waiting for Namii
TP2014A [-\]: He is taking his cup of morning coffee
SIkachnak [?\]: so finish no1 against finish no2, nice...
TP2014A [-\]: yea :)
TurtleDove [5k\]: where is Takapotku ?
Kable [3k\]: moikka
TP2014A [-\]: In Finland, Espoo
TurtleDove [5k\]: ah
]RE[W+28.00]
;B[pq]
;W[qd]
;B[cp]C[xDragon [?\]: is su yang going to do commentary
TP2014A [-\]: Not sure. I think he will do a commentary
TP2014A [-\]: Results after 2 rounds: http://sqa.fi/takapotku/takapotku2014_StandingsR2.html
bullishboy [4k\]: do they have kgs accounts?
TP2014A [-\]: Juri is Namii and Antti is Tien
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;W[cd]C[isacc0318 [2k\]: Chigai komoku, long time, no see :D
fdd [1k\]: does tien have a sibling?
TP2014A [-\]: maybe
TP2014A [-\]: Here is some players info: http://www.nordicgoacademy.com/teachers/
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;B[od]C[awesome [4k\]: I would m16
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;W[qo]C[awesome [4k\]: but from now on I will consider this instead
Gabriel [1k\]: lol
Backseeed [4d\]: the finnish players tend to distribute their stones a lot in the opening and start fighting later
Turnipsi [2d\]: kannattaisko turnaussivulla olla linkit tuloksiin ja parituksiin?
Backseeed [4d\]: noticed that in some games now
TP2014B [-\]: wikisivulta löytyy linkit tuloksiin ja parituksiin
Turnipsi [2d\]: aha kiitos
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;B[ep]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: who are the players?
awesome [4k\]: tien and namii
Arnaud99 [5k\]: juri kuronen w
Arnaud99 [5k\]: antti b
NlsBlr [1d\]: thx
TP2014A [-\]: W Juri Kuronen, 6d B: Antti Törmänen, 7d 
wolokom [4k\]: everything is now possibel nothing exiting things now e4 is what  makes me surprise
devasatyam [4k\]: d 10
wolokom [4k\]: is Antti a chinese man?
Backseeed [4d\]: not at all
TP2014A [-\]: Finnish
Arnaud99 [5k\]: Törmänen sounds chinese ?
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol
Gabriel [1k\]: it sounds Finnish to me haha
TP2014A [-\]: :)
devasatyam [4k\]: finnish championship
xDragon [?\]: antti sounds vietnamese if you sak me
Backseeed [4d\]: but not if we ask a vietnames
rinpa [2d\]: consider yourself sakked
xDragon [?\]: thats why we shouldnt ask them
TP2014A [-\]: I would like to play something like C10 or C9 as w now
wolokom [4k\]: no but a former japanies insay and rössler in Germany sounds notrealy vietnames
jokkebk [-\]: this is a true Nordic Go Academy game, as two teachers are playing each other and third one is commenting :D
Gabriel [1k\]: is that to prevent B from using the shimari effectively?
apina [1d\]: Takapotku, you are not alone
Gabriel [1k\]: @TP
Jazzman [1k\]: c9 looks nice indeed
devasatyam [4k\]: k 4 also big
Arnaud99 [5k\]: K4 C10 a sort of miai
apina [1d\]: I don't love to play C10 or C9, but even less I want to give move there for black
Arnaud99 [5k\]: E4 is thus very efficient
TurtleDove [5k\]: hope not e17
Vortex [-\]: left is more important
kadoban [-\]: except the c10 extension is generally better, so it's not really miai
awesome [4k\]: takapotku means backbeat?
Gabriel [1k\]: C9 works better with C16/E4 than K4 does with bottom stones (..I think)
devasatyam [4k\]: e 16 mirrormove
Backseeed [4d\]: this game looks like on of the old japanese games
apina [1d\]: takapotku is finnish word for snapback
awesome [4k\]: aha thanks
Turnipsi [2d\]: e17/e16 would make the left side super important and let b then take it, no good
Vortex [-\]: yeah this is old fashioned go
apina [1d\]: but it's never used
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;W[pf]
;B[op]C[devasatyam [4k\]: or not
Gabriel [1k\]: lol
Jazzman [1k\]: hmmm c9 does  not look important enough =9
Jazzman [1k\]: =)
Gabriel [1k\]: feels important to me, if B plays around there it's huge
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;W[ld]C[devasatyam [4k\]: dan da dan da da
wolokom [4k\]: this tschusaku move is the name i think of this opening right?
Backseeed [4d\]: now is time for c10 probably
kadoban [-\]: shusaku you mean?
Backseeed [4d\]: q6 also a nice move
Vortex [-\]: tschusaku the legendary russian player
wolokom [4k\]: yes
hontono [1d\]: B is trolling W, I see
Backseeed [4d\]: :)
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;B[qk]
;W[qi]C[wolokom [4k\]: russian realy?
Backseeed [4d\]: r11 came fast
Backseeed [4d\]: q6 seems natural now
hontono [1d\]: That's okay, it happens.
Backseeed [4d\]: :)
SirEttin [1d\]: w is strong
wolokom [4k\]: but black not hopeless 
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;B[jc]C[hontono [1d\]: I'd prefer P9 I think
SirEttin [1d\]: b still has small chance
Backseeed [4d\]: k17 changing the flow
TP2014A [-\]: "a small chance" :)
kadoban [-\]: complicated opening, don't think i really understand anymore
TP2014A [-\]: yea somewhere this got quite interesting
wolokom [4k\]: only out of area of my knowlidge
Arnaud99 [5k\]: lol me neither
hontono [1d\]: Nobody actually understands the opening.
jokkebk [-\]: black P9 feels like it just invites white to later live inside a too small moyo
toshiue [6k\]: just break it down by it;'s parts and think about how they interact with eachother
Turnipsi [2d\]: too much tenuki for my tiny brain
toshiue [6k\]: and it becomes easier to understand
hontono [1d\]: That's why, jokke.
Backseeed [4d\]: black wants to sacrifice p16 and squeeze out as much as he can with r9, k17
hontono [1d\]: Force w to run or live small, make profit.
jokkebk [-\]: p9 still a dame jump, rather P6
guest999: but if w eats P16 than black has two weak groups and white only one
hontono [1d\]: feels too submissive
toshiue [6k\]: anything in that area is no bueno
TurtleDove [5k\]: waiting for the coffee to kick in before fighting
jokkebk [-\]: but anyways, I think r9 was more of a probe than yet attack against r5
wolokom [4k\]: k 17 helps p 16 a lot or damadge c 16  w has the coice
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;W[mc]C[toshiue [6k\]: wow
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;B[ec]C[hontono [1d\]: Maybe b is preparing sabaki for P16
toshiue [6k\]: that choice doesnt make sense :D
awesome [4k\]: I really like this b opening
guest999: H17
Vortex [-\]: w has too many stones in the top right for my liking
Backseeed [4d\]: I think w is quite alright 
toshiue [6k\]: it's impossible to not be alright at this stage :\\
jokkebk [-\]: I like that the fuseki feels quite fresh, 15 moves and I don't recall a similar game
wolokom [4k\]: c 13 or??
toshiue [6k\]: doesnt change the fact that fuseki heavily favors black here :\\
Backseeed [4d\]: I dont agree
Turnipsi [2d\]: between the black stones
wolokom [4k\]: e 15
Backseeed [4d\]: white could consider a pincer as well
Backseeed [4d\]: but probably he will just go to the left side
Backseeed [4d\]: though a pincer could make use of m16 better
SirEttin [1d\]: special joseki is needed
TP2014A [-\]: I would c10 or something, but maybe it´s an overplay
Vortex [-\]: if c10 b can make w really low
wolokom [4k\]: backseed thx 
Backseeed [4d\]: if c13, then black will get nice shape with sequence starting with d14
Vortex [-\]: w needs d15 before c10
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;W[oo]
;B[no]C[SirEttin [1d\]: f17 tsuke
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;W[on]C[wolokom [4k\]: ok 
Backseeed [4d\]: this is truely very big
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;B[qp]C[kadoban [-\]: white seems like he needs sente pretty badly here, or black can play on the left very nicely
awesome [4k\]: for both :=
toshiue [6k\]: r4 is nice
wolokom [4k\]: boshi now? is this clever
toshiue [6k\]: makes good use of r9
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;W[rp]C[Backseeed [4d\]: boshi good, but white needs s4 exchange before that
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;B[rq]
;W[ok]C[toshiue [6k\]: p9 is strong :D
wolokom [4k\]: a i see technik
Backseeed [4d\]: yes
Gabriel [1k\]: uh oh, left side
toshiue [6k\]: not uh oh left side
toshiue [6k\]: fact that white is overconcentrated and p16 has good aji hasn't changed
Backseeed [4d\]: white has a good shape
Backseeed [4d\]: I prefer white so far
wolokom [4k\]: and b undercocentrated?
Backseeed [4d\]: black already has two stones with strange placement
Loxios [1d\]: hard choicefor b now
kadoban [-\]: white played well here i think, this has some meaning on the bottom, and the right side is threatening to become very big
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;B[cg]C[jokkebk [-\]: yeah white has all but one of his stones on the right
Vortex [7d?\]: yeah all of w's potential is on the right so far
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;W[de]
;B[gd]C[xDragon [?\]: good idea, turn on your rank so youll be taken more seriously
TP2014A [-\]: times: B has 58 minutes w haes 45 minutes
jokkebk [-\]: although it would hurt my brain to find the "best move" for black to utilize P16 and R9 aji later
wolokom [4k\]: d 17 to make simpl?
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;W[db]C[toshiue [6k\]: q13 is interesting
Loxios [1d\]: b can aim at r17 s17 p14 p13 and escape
wolokom [4k\]: ah technik again
Vortex [7d?\]: w didn't want to do d17 e16 because b would get the ideal d10 extension
Backseeed [4d\]: actually technique
Backseeed [4d\]: :)
Loxios [1d\]: d10 now looks great
Prodigious [-\]: well, b will probably still get d10
kadoban [-\]: will black respond? tenuki on the left looks nice
SirEttin [1d\]: no way respond
toshiue [6k\]: responding to a 2nd line stone would be extremely submissive
Loxios [1d\]: yeah
SirEttin [1d\]: k4 or d10
Prodigious [-\]: d18 is interesting though
toshiue [6k\]: it is
Prodigious [-\]: not sure if it's actually better than d17, but interesting
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;B[dc]C[kadoban [-\]: k4 seems wrong direction to me, has to be d10 area
wolokom [4k\]: c 18
TP2014A [-\]: Players are taking a toilet break
toshiue [6k\]: c18 invites trouble
Loxios [1d\]: lol
Gabriel [1k\]: everyone was like "D10 or K4!", nope xD
TurtleDove [5k\]: even after B d10, left still invadeable ?
Prodigious [-\]: of course
Loxios [1d\]: they are taking break together ?
kadoban [-\]: sure, there's a ton of standard options there
xDragon [?\]: you know how females go to the bathroom together? go players do it too
TP2014A [-\]: they went together
Backseeed [4d\]: d17 seems strange to me
TP2014A [-\]: now Juri is back
apina [1d\]: one forgot the move he should play, like they planned yesterday
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;W[cc]C[apina [1d\]: and other reminds him
toshiue [6k\]: seems like d17 is just there to prevent white from getitng d17
Gabriel [1k\]: lol apina
Arnaud99 [5k\]: lol toshiue
Vortex [7d?\]: d17 because if e18 d17 you wanna add e16 but then e18 seems really submissive
toshiue [6k\]: sort've like a twari situation
toshiue [6k\]: I agree with vortex
Backseeed [4d\]: yes - but it still seems like a rude move
Backseeed [4d\]: I wouldn mind this as white
awesome [4k\]: I agree with whoever has highest rank
Vortex [7d?\]: yes feels vulgar
TP2014A [-\]: now Antti is taking his cup of morning Pepsi
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol awe
humppa [3d?\]: all classic joseki sofar
toshiue [6k\]: good old cup of morning pepsi
wolokom [4k\]: a typical japanie move 
toshiue [6k\]: this shape seems to favor white
Prodigious [-\]: feels a bit vulgar, but b e18 next is a bit annoying for white
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;B[eb]C[xDragon [?\]: antti saying on his blog he wants to go back to being an insei this year
Gabriel [1k\]: this looks like what W wanted - then again, I think B wanted the D15 G16 exchange
hontono [1d\]: How far did he get as an insei then?
Backseeed [4d\]: looks like w should defend
Jazzman [1k\]: how old is antti?
awesome [4k\]: really? isn't left side better?
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;W[ef]C[Backseeed [4d\]: the question is if take is sente
awesome [4k\]: this is something in between
xDragon [?\]: apparently born around 1990 so yeah
RBerenguel [4k?\]: anyone knows if Jeff is commenting on ustream? (and if "yes", the URL?)
TurtleDove [5k\]: young Jazz, prob 20 something
Jazzman [1k\]: thx
wolokom [4k\]: d 10
TP2014A [-\]: Jeff is here looking at the games. We will notify you, if there wil be a commentary
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;B[dj]C[RBerenguel [4k?\]: thanks ;) (do I know you "broadcaster"?)
Backseeed [4d\]: somewhere around k3 now?
wolokom [4k\]: k 4
RBerenguel [4k?\]: let's say J3
TP2014B [-\]: The commentary equipment is not yet set, i'm on to it as soon as i get someone else to look after the table 2 :)
RBerenguel [4k?\]: just to disagree
RBerenguel [4k?\]: :D
toshiue [6k\]: m3 and g3 are both vital points
Gabriel [1k\]: I'd play J3 here, hope that move doesn't suck
Konservas [1d\]: time for bottom :>
TP2014A [-\]: Not sure RBerenguel. I was at the NGA summercamp only for the tournament. Maybe I saw u there
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;W[gq]C[RBerenguel [4k?\]: yeah, we met there for sure but probably didn't talk, see you next year (I hope ;)
TP2014A [-\]: yea :)
RBerenguel [4k?\]: whoah, all the way in Juri
TP2014A [-\]: Now it¨s getting interesting
awesome [4k\]: looks like this will be a good game
RBerenguel [4k?\]: an awesome game ^^
Backseeed [4d\]: j3 seems normal now
TuLy [5k\]: j3
TurtleDove [5k\]: or k3 ?
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;B[jq]C[awesome [4k\]: :)
Backseeed [4d\]: k3 probably means he will give white the corner
xDragon [?\]: according to the blog when he left japan he finished first in C class insei going 19-5
RBerenguel [4k?\]: I guess J3 left too much of a gap between it and the right?
toshiue [6k\]: this leaves interesting aji at l4 though
toshiue [6k\]: after white settles g3
Backseeed [4d\]: d3 now
Backseeed [4d\]: then black has the choice
awesome [4k\]: depends on how or if g3 settles
toshiue [6k\]: g3 definitely settles
Gabriel [1k\]: I'd play G5~
toshiue [6k\]: white has no choice
wolokom [4k\]: What about m 4?
Backseeed [4d\]: m4 will hurt g3
Backseeed [4d\]: cant play that now
toshiue [6k\]: white would prefer l4 after g3 settles
TurtleDove [5k\]: I would worry that g5 gets a running group between 2 live groups
Backseeed [4d\]: justified worry
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;W[ip]C[toshiue [6k\]: this is interesting :D
hontono [1d\]: no
toshiue [6k\]: yes
hontono [1d\]: K4 would be interesting
Gabriel [1k\]: oh, similar-ish to G5? XD
xDragon [?\]: began as E class insei, left winning C class insei. who knows where he will be if he makes it bak
Loxios [1d\]: j4 helps black
toshiue [6k\]: which is why it's interesting
awesome [4k\]: w will still be running?
Loxios [1d\]: yeah, just a time matter to get pro for him i guess
hontono [1d\]: How to make a heavy group 1.01
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;B[iq]
;W[go]C[TuLy [5k\]: b in better position on bottom o.O
hontono [1d\]: J5?
barakeel [4d\]: hard to play j
barakeel [4d\]: 5
hontono [1d\]: could do 6 I guess
hontono [1d\]: but then white gets shape
ImNoSensei [-\]: surprising that w shuns d3 like this
dxxd [1k\]: seems too good for b, w has to make difficult choices all the time, b gettin the more obvious moves
Gabriel [1k\]: I prefer W to black, the right side looks huge
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;B[fn]C[toshiue [6k\]: seems black is ahead now
wolokom [4k\]: o 14
hontono [1d\]: no
TuLy [5k\]: yeah, but this is everything what w has o.O
hontono [1d\]: bottom is urgent
toshiue [6k\]: tenuki would be pretty terrible for white
BlackSmurf [1d\]: f6 seems ambitious
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;W[jp]C[toshiue [6k\]: f6 is natural because k3 is already relatively thick
hontono [1d\]: moyo shaping up
toshiue [6k\]: o5 is light, so white can't really keep black from breaking through
TuLy [5k\]: i wanna write it too ^^ hontono
ImNoSensei [-\]: I'm not sure F6 presents much of an advantage when compared to E6 (considering the disadvantages)
ImNoSensei [-\]: but I'm terrible at judging that kind of thing
toshiue [6k\]: f6 is a bit more severe looking at a hane at g7 if white pushes
hontono [1d\]: F6 leaves a lot of aji
hontono [1d\]: D3 later
ImNoSensei [-\]: w is a bit too strong to even consider playing g6 at any point
ImNoSensei [-\]: so that's not really relevant
wolokom [4k\]: looks like a middel game joseki
Gabriel [1k\]: I'm a really lax sort of player, I'd have played D7 or something rather than F6 
toshiue [6k\]: depends
hontono [1d\]: E6 looks much better than D7
hontono [1d\]: F6 I mean
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;B[kp]C[Gabriel [1k\]: yeah I agree
toshiue [6k\]: took black a long time to l4 -.-
xDragon [?\]: yeah d7 probably too passive
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;W[kq]
;B[ko]C[Backseeed [4d\]: l3 hm
toshiue [6k\]: ouch
wolokom [4k\]: oh 
xDragon [?\]: especially with the w group floating
wolokom [4k\]: h 3
hontono [1d\]: Actually b probably F6 to prevent D5
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;W[hq]
;B[kr]
;W[jn]C[Backseeed [4d\]: l3 was a mistake
Gabriel [1k\]: ah
ImNoSensei [-\]: that could make sense
Backseeed [4d\]: white lost some points here
toshiue [6k\]: l3 was looking for an extra forcing move
Backseeed [4d\]: yes
toshiue [6k\]: but black didn't read l5
Backseeed [4d\]: white didnt read
toshiue [6k\]: ooh, yeah :D
toshiue [6k\]: lol;
TurtleDove [5k\]: B already gained in this region might tenuki now ?
Backseeed [4d\]: now it is much harder for white to close here
hontono [1d\]: O6 maybe
toshiue [6k\]: well, it wasn't possible to close in the first place because of o5 being light
barakeel [4d\]: m3?
Backseeed [4d\]: now is the time to count and find strategy
TuLy [5k\]: k10
hontono [1d\]: Or P7 directly hm
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;B[mo]C[hontono [1d\]: no, fixes that way
wolokom [4k\]: m 3
Backseeed [4d\]: black 40 points + left side
TuLy [5k\]: noisy oooow
gotoin [6k\]: why not taking care of p16  ?
TP2014A [-\]: now c8 and roknroll?
ImNoSensei [-\]: w must be getting pretty nervous
toshiue [6k\]: b about 75-80
ImNoSensei [-\]: for the moment P16 is more useful as potentially not dead, it's not urgent at all
hontono [1d\]: 10 pts less than that
Welvang [6d\]: I don't like this move
toshiue [6k\]: w 70
hontono [1d\]: About 64
TurtleDove [5k\]: I guess he didn't want W to play o6, other wise I don't understand n5
hontono [1d\]: well
toshiue [6k\]: honte
hontono [1d\]: With M3 the cut at O4 looks even more exploitable
Backseeed [4d\]: I think white will invade the left side now
Welvang [6d\]: better to take the stone in m3 if he wants to defend
hontono [1d\]: he doesn't want to lose access to mid it seems
TP2014A [-\]: this does leave some aji
hontono [1d\]: and w almost owes a move to fix S5
TP2014A [-\]: here we go
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;W[el]C[TPStage1: streamiä vois mainostaa
TPStage1: alkaa nyt
TuLy [5k\]: sai! ^^
Backseeed [4d\]: this move looks nice
ImNoSensei [-\]: and this is why I didn't like F6
TP2014A [-\]: OK theres a stream. Jeff is commenting
barakeel [4d\]: is b8 enough for black
hontono [1d\]: looks a bit uninspired to me
hontono [1d\]: (e8)
ImNoSensei [-\]: by this, I don't mean this specific move, I mean black's flacid shape
Gabriel [1k\]: G7 or something?
toshiue [6k\]: black can just split white here I thiknk
TP2014A [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI
TurtleDove [5k\]: play f8 and fight !
hontono [1d\]: H7 rather
hontono [1d\]: go big or go home
Gabriel [1k\]: lol
Gabriel [1k\]: same concept dude :P
awesome [4k\]: stream looks like wrong game
Backseeed [4d\]: c8 seems normal for black
TPStage1: stream is board 2 now, but it will come to this game later
TP2014A [-\]: Its Javier vs Vesa
toshiue [6k\]: this is kinda interesting with the aji in the corner though
awesome [4k\]: ok
hontono [1d\]: I like your intuition, toshi.
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;B[eq]C[Gabriel [1k\]: toshi was right o.o
Gabriel [1k\]: nice
Backseeed [4d\]: interesting move
toshiue [6k\]: now c8 is enough for black
Backseeed [4d\]: onfortunately white can still make an eye at the bottom
toshiue [6k\]: but he can attack first
toshiue [6k\]: black has options :D
hontono [1d\]: w doesn't have time for an eye on bottom
hontono [1d\]: he needs to fight 2 battles
Backseeed [4d\]: but he has possibility for emergency
gogonuts [5d\]: jump in at c8
Gabriel [1k\]: C8 \\o/
hontono [1d\]: yea he can prepare half an eye and then fight
Backseeed [4d\]: c8 seems normal now
Backseeed [4d\]: everything else lacks fighting spirit
gogonuts [5d\]: yeah, so why worry :-)
hontono [1d\]: C8 is very deep
toshiue [6k\]: c8 isn't deep because it's attached to e8 :D
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;W[cl]C[toshiue [6k\]: and
gogonuts [5d\]: c8 threatens b10, so b would prob answer att c9
]
;B[ck]C[toshiue [6k\]: e14 is well placed for exchanges
toshiue [6k\]: so black has to c9
gogonuts [5d\]: see :-)
Backseeed [4d\]: b9 and c6?
hontono [1d\]: top left isn't alive yet either mmh
Backseeed [4d\]: or too little pressure vs black?
hontono [1d\]: C6 is miniscule
RBerenguel [4k?\]: white will pressure the B group, almost sure
gogonuts [5d\]: next move is harder to decide
toshiue [6k\]: black can't take advantage of the top left until the center develops more
Backseeed [4d\]: b9, e10 also conceivable
hontono [1d\]: white wants a moyo in the middle huehuehue
toshiue [6k\]: white can't have it -.-
gogonuts [5d\]: i would go with f9
TuLy [5k\]: f10
Backseeed [4d\]: without b9, gogo?
gotoin [6k\]: and white c6  ?
hontono [1d\]: D6 seems better
RBerenguel [4k?\]: TuLy, F10 can be cut. Even if the B group is not specially strong, it would
gogonuts [5d\]: its possible, to go for e10
gogonuts [5d\]: but that feels dangerous :-)
Backseeed [4d\]: b9, b10, e10 kinda middle game joseki
TuLy [5k\]: maybe little bit risky
Backseeed [4d\]: but still maybe overplay :)
RBerenguel [4k?\]: how could e10 follow through?
gogonuts [5d\]: no need for b9 if just f9
toshiue [6k\]: e10 is more of a sabaki shape
Backseeed [4d\]: if not b9, black can almost connect with b8
hontono [1d\]: e10 e11 f10 
RBerenguel [4k?\]: ah
RBerenguel [4k?\]: was expecting something flashier :D
toshiue [6k\]: I don't feel like e10 is appropriate here
SirEttin [1d\]: b9
gotoin [6k\]: what was the goal of e8 ?
Backseeed [4d\]: simply c6 maybe?
hontono [1d\]: to reduce black's territory
Arnaud99 [5k\]: goal of e8 ?
TurtleDove [5k\]: unless W tail dies, B looks like making 15 points at best on left
barakeel [4d\]: just g8
Backseeed [4d\]: or attach c5?
gogonuts [5d\]: to move in at c8 :-)
gotoin [6k\]: so white need to escape now
ImNoSensei [-\]: I don't think C6 is appropriate
ImNoSensei [-\]: B is already effectively reduced and pretty thick
gogonuts [5d\]: its a critical point in the game - w stole points but has 2 weak groups
ImNoSensei [-\]: indeed
toshiue [6k\]: well, c8 is light
Backseeed [4d\]: better make good moves now
gogonuts [5d\]: :-)
]
;W[co]C[Arnaud99 [5k\]: E8 has reduced black by 30pt
jokkebk [-\]: white has three groups that could die still
RBerenguel [4k?\]: anyone can see the stream? I see just a black screen... and I see 18 other viewers
Backseeed [4d\]: there we go
hontono [1d\]: anyone want to give us the current score?
jokkebk [-\]: and time?
gotoin [6k\]: contact move
jokkebk [-\]: TP2014A what's the clock?
barakeel [4d\]: just b4
gogonuts [5d\]: looks useful - i think b has to rebel somehow
jokkebk [-\]: and how much is the fish?
toshiue [6k\]: b 60, w 70ish imo
RBerenguel [4k?\]: hontono, I'd say as far as score goes it should be kind of even (W potential on the right is big)
TP2014A [-\]: B has 39 minutes and W has 21 minutes
barakeel [4d\]: oh
wolokom [4k\]: uff well culculated overplay :)
SirEttin [1d\]: d7
gogonuts [5d\]: lol, wolo
hontono [1d\]: spent about 2 minutes per move on average then
Backseeed [4d\]: d7 kinda helps white
TP2014A [-\]: After that its 15 sec japanese bojomi x 1
barakeel [4d\]: c6?
hontono [1d\]: what
barakeel [4d\]: lol
Jazzman [1k\]: thats tough  byoyomi
hontono [1d\]: 1x15 sec?
Backseeed [4d\]: c6 was my thinking too
TP2014A [-\]: yea
hontono [1d\]: lol
Backseeed [4d\]: but doesnt really seem to work
Turnipsi [2d\]: with 3 weak w groupsunder attack  don't mind the score
ImNoSensei [-\]: oddly brutal byo yomi given the main time setting
Gabriel [1k\]: W reminds me of Touya Akira playing against the Oza dude, attacking so much like this
TurtleDove [5k\]: sounds like scribe's nightmare byo
ImNoSensei [-\]: so they have 70mn after which it switches to blitz :)
TP2014A [-\]: yea it's crazy
gogonuts [5d\]: b4 is common sense, but i would hat to play there as b
gogonuts [5d\]: how about b g6?
TP2014A [-\]: If this goes to byo, I will try my best to keep up
ImNoSensei [-\]: yes b4 feels terrible :(
]
;B[do]C[Backseeed [4d\]: is g6 severe enough?
hontono [1d\]: can't afford to get cut I feel
barakeel [4d\]: yes has to play to defend the cut
]
;W[bp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: common sense antti - if there is nothing great, show patience
]
;B[bo]
;W[cn]C[Gabriel [1k\]: G7 feels more severe than G6 imo
barakeel [4d\]: but white get good shape
]
;B[bq]C[Backseeed [4d\]: c5 kinda succesful
toshiue [6k\]: this is painful for black
ImNoSensei [-\]: w got c6 in sente with some pt loss
gogonuts [5d\]: add b6
TuLy [5k\]: his left side is smaller and smaller
ImNoSensei [-\]: I agree, w is rather happy
gogonuts [5d\]: dont let b crawl there
TP2014A [-\]: b6 not yet on the board :)
Backseeed [4d\]: yes, right time for b6
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
]
;W[ej]C[Backseeed [4d\]: black territory kind countable now
TuLy [5k\]: moyo though
Chmol [4d\]: it seems w aim was just to get c6 sente
Backseeed [4d\]: approximately 60 points
]
;B[ei]
;W[fj]C[Backseeed [4d\]: so the white right side has to become big
]
;B[dl]C[Gabriel [1k\]: B did well with P16 I think
]
;W[dm]C[Gabriel [1k\]: W has four stones around it
]
;B[dk]C[Gabriel [1k\]: but it still feels really dangerous
toshiue [6k\]: p16 has good aji, but it's a little heavy
ImNoSensei [-\]: f7?
laduradura [8d\]: kuro-chan is play with fire
]
;W[em]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: hm this is shapelier
barakeel [4d\]: wierd  why not f7
TP2014A [-\]: who knows?
gogonuts [5d\]: w avoided f7 because he didnt want to induce g6
ImNoSensei [-\]: I'd tend to play f7 but maybe w doens't like g6
laduradura [8d\]: more heavy
ImNoSensei [-\]: and right now the cut a e9 isn't really a cut
]
;B[fi]C[barakeel [4d\]: ok
gogonuts [5d\]: w g8?
ImNoSensei [-\]: several years as a dan and still wanting to connect all of the stones ^^
ImNoSensei [-\]: tough habit to break
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Backseeed [4d\]: g11 if possible
Backseeed [4d\]: but probably not possibl
]
;W[gi]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the problem is thats connecting stones is really desirable :-)
Jazzman [1k\]: nice call backseed
Backseeed [4d\]: lets see
TuLy [5k\]: but g11 played
gogonuts [5d\]: w e9 looks brutal now
Backseeed [4d\]: b
ImNoSensei [-\]: feels like e9 cut is coming yes
gogonuts [5d\]: sry
]
;B[fg]C[Backseeed [4d\]: there is also some aji with b6 and b9 on bottom
TP2014A [-\]: b very patient
toshiue [6k\]: and now e18 is doing work :D
gogonuts [5d\]: but this f13 is a good idea
TuLy [5k\]: isnt w corner little bit weak?
]
;W[dh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ws corner isnt safe
]
;B[di]C[Backseeed [4d\]: true
gogonuts [5d\]: difficult problem - is it safe now?
gogonuts [5d\]: it better be :-)
bfm [-\]: why d12  ?
gogonuts [5d\]: w has no time there
dxxd [1k\]: w is weak all over the place
barakeel [4d\]: d12 to cut ate9
gogonuts [5d\]: i would cross my fingers and play g8 :-)
ImNoSensei [-\]: w peeped to make sure b can cut him?
toshiue [6k\]: if white can manage with everything, he has a decent lead
barakeel [4d\]: yes
bfm [-\]: white played d12, not black
bfm [-\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: w peeped in the hope that the corner cant be killed anymore
Jazzman [1k\]: hope dies last =)
Gabriel [1k\]: "in hope" :P
just9x9 [-\]: first dies the group
ImNoSensei [-\]: tough to read
TurtleDove [5k\]: feels like this fight will rumble all the way to p16
ImNoSensei [-\]: it's Sunday, they can read it...
toshiue [6k\]: I dont follow that comment though -.-
Backseeed [4d\]: white can exchange b9 maybe? then he still has a ko even if he gets cut
toshiue [6k\]: suggesting it's harder to read on Saturday? =P
]
;W[gm]C[barakeel [4d\]: I think it works for every day
lupong [1d\]: w need e12 but no time to play it 
ImNoSensei [-\]: no, suggesting I might bother reading that mess in someone else's game on another day :p
toshiue [6k\]: ahh :D
ImNoSensei [-\]: but I probably wouldn't
Backseeed [4d\]: g8 seemed more stable
laduradura [8d\]: feels like is a little bit soft here
toshiue [6k\]: g8 was no bueno
toshiue [6k\]: I already read it out
just9x9 [-\]: i go for another coffee, someone wants to join?
barakeel [4d\]: i would have play h7
gogonuts [5d\]: i like g8 better - really the same weakness but better shape
SirEttin [1d\]: one chai please
Gabriel [1k\]: yeah me too, I'd play H7 by intuition
]
;B[gj]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: ditto on the g8 over here
just9x9 [-\]: g8 was no played
gogonuts [5d\]: with g8 this cut wouldnt be there
Backseeed [4d\]: annoying cut
gogonuts [5d\]: atari from the outside
barakeel [4d\]: just give upthe two stones
gogonuts [5d\]: giving 2 stones makes d12 for d11 great
Gabriel [1k\]: game's really interesting but I'd better sleep now D:
Gabriel [1k\]: getting late
toshiue [6k\]: I would just extend on the outside here
toshiue [6k\]: and then give up 2 stones
gogonuts [5d\]: like 4am for you?
ImNoSensei [-\]: if you're giving up the stones, why would you extend?
ImNoSensei [-\]: do you mean H11?
]
;W[gk]
;B[hj]C[toshiue [6k\]: yes
]
;W[hk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good grief
rinpa [2d\]: the 2 stones are now cutting stones
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe there is some tactical justification, but this b greed will come to grief
ImNoSensei [-\]: you can't play h11, then give up the two stones... that means you played 4 useless moves
gogonuts [5d\]: w greed
gogonuts [5d\]: i have a b-w weakness
Backseeed [4d\]: :)
]
;B[ij]C[Backseeed [4d\]: this doesnt look good for white
Jazzman [1k\]: g11 so lonely
]
;W[cf]
;B[bg]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: I think if W was going to give up something here, it was better to give up the inside than the outside
ImNoSensei [-\]: no?
Turnipsi [2d\]: w saved all 3 groups so I thought the censensus was that he should do better now?
Backseeed [4d\]: if white couldve closed blak in there - it would help the right side a lot
gogonuts [5d\]: atari from the outside would have been great imo
gogonuts [5d\]: i think both g10 and g9 were wrong
]
;W[ge]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: and g7
ImNoSensei [-\]: you're quite critical, it turns out :D
]
;B[he]
;W[gf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g7 has good shape now but that cant justify g9
Backseeed [4d\]: if white could somehow move out g11 it would be ok thou
barakeel [4d\]: i think that at least 50 percent of their move are not the best move
]
;B[hh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
toshiue [6k\]: they should study more pro games
Backseeed [4d\]: still a very good game - high wquality
Backseeed [4d\]: black makes it simple
Backseeed [4d\]: white needs almost 60 points on the right now
Backseeed [4d\]: seems very hard
gogonuts [5d\]: b can be satisfied with the fine J10
ImNoSensei [-\]: I like b's style overall
Backseeed [4d\]: probably needs even more than 60
]
;W[fd]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: what's his account on KGS, if he has one?
]
;B[gc]C[Backseeed [4d\]: tien
ImNoSensei [-\]: ah ic
gogonuts [5d\]: w isnt getting sente here
RBerenguel [4k?\]: he (Juri too, his main account is Namii)  teaches at the Nordic Go Academy, btw
barakeel [4d\]: he ll take it anyway
ImNoSensei [-\]: antTI TormanEN, figurs
gogonuts [5d\]: he used to be all solid, now hes solid with sharp jabs
Backseeed [4d\]: black solid everywhere and more territory
TuLy [5k\]: time for rescue p16?
barakeel [4d\]: n12
ImNoSensei [-\]: w needs to find a good way of dealing with r9 for good without playing a slow move
Backseeed [4d\]: I think black doesnt really need to rescue p16
barakeel [4d\]: capture both^^
wolokom [4k\]: b is not ahead
Backseeed [4d\]: I think so
TuLy [5k\]: backseed, why do u think? :)
Backseeed [4d\]: thats my counting
Turnipsi [2d\]: I think n12 kills both p16 and r9
]
;W[mg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w really wants to play on the right
Turnipsi [2d\]: ah missed
gogonuts [5d\]: so he just did :-)
TuLy [5k\]: so close :D
gogonuts [5d\]: he said "to hell" :-)
donkisot [2d\]: go juri go
Backseeed [4d\]: only chance anyway
ImNoSensei [-\]: now... the really stressful partfor W
SirEttin [1d\]: ober
Jazzman [1k\]: looks lime radom :)
MaLa [3d\]: that's how it works... when you want to play something, do it
MaLa [3d\]: :D
barakeel [4d\]: i think its for black
Eilinen [-\]: would someone who knows german language offer help?
gogonuts [5d\]: i disagree
gogonuts [5d\]: w will have fun now, imo
]
;B[qm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b
gogonuts [5d\]: god
gogonuts [5d\]: making fun of myself
MaLa [3d\]: poor gogo
gogonuts [5d\]: stressful for w was right
Jazzman [1k\]: thats quite entertaining,  gogo
gogonuts [5d\]: fun for everyone but me
Backseeed [4d\]: seems impossible to kill
MaLa [3d\]: gogo is now turning into yoda?
MaLa [3d\]: last time i saw you, you were neither small nor green
gogonuts [5d\]: keep b and w apart, i must
MaLa [3d\]: well, not sure about green, but at least not small
barakeel [4d\]: o7?
ImNoSensei [-\]: of white the stress has begun...
Backseeed [4d\]: if 07, r6 will connect
]
;W[lq]C[wolokom [4k\]: its not but m3 makes a lot of go threars
]
;B[lr]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]
;W[hr]
;B[jr]C[TuLy [5k\]: what?
gogonuts [5d\]: its not in the position, but there is a decent practical chance that the entire right side will go up in smoke
Turnipsi [2d\]: tears
barakeel [4d\]: o3 still sente
just9x9 [-\]: that would be hard for b dont you think gogo?
]
;W[nq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but easy for w :-)
ImNoSensei [-\]: well considering w absolutely has to make sure b is dead there
]
;B[nr]C[TuLy [5k\]: hmm
]
;W[qn]
;B[om]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: there is that practical chance...
]
;W[nn]C[Jazzman [1k\]: so, was that a good interezzo on bottom?
ImNoSensei [-\]: severity leads to misreading, misreading leads to overplay...
jhrtjfg: overplay leads to losing
barakeel [4d\]: or winning
ImNoSensei [-\]: it's the dark side of the moyo
ImNoSensei [-\]: when the moyo needs to become points because everything's solid everywhere
]
;B[ol]C[NlsBlr [1d\]: and loosing leads to the dark side.. 
just9x9 [-\]: have faith, may the moyo be with you
TuLy [5k\]: the return of the moyo :D
MaLa [3d\]: and the dark side is doing really well right now
pupukani [2d\]: thats no moyo
]
;W[mn]
;B[kn]C[just9x9 [-\]: its declared territory?
Jazzman [1k\]: the dark  side has cookies..
Ahamay [5d\]: B says "the world is not enough"
TPStage1: commentary swithing to this game
]
;W[km]C[Ahamay [5d\]: just O9 would be game over
hontono [1d\]: isn't there enough aji around s6?
TP2014A [-\]: B has 24 mintues W enters byoyomi 
hontono [1d\]: b wins lol
jhrtjfg: byo really only 15 seconds?
Turnipsi [2d\]: 15s sudden death :D
TPStage1: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI for commentary on the game
TP2014A [-\]: yep
Lesmian [1d\]: this is not fair
TP2014A [-\]: gonna be really difficult for me and for w
ImNoSensei [-\]: oh I forgot w has a time disadvantage as well
RBerenguel [4k?\]: this is gonna be stressfull for namii if tien tries to play fast
Turnipsi [2d\]: pity if we miss the end of the game
]
;B[nk]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: the stress factor just went up a notch
NlsBlr [1d\]: awesome time setting ! :)
]
;W[ml]C[Lesmian [1d\]: horrible
hontono [1d\]: it also means that he has to sit in front of the board all the time, no bathroom breaks mwarharhar
Turnipsi [2d\]: return of the morning coffee
just9x9 [-\]: just p10?
TP2014A [-\]: players are allowed to pause the clock for toilet breaks :)
hontono [1d\]: oh
Lesmian [1d\]: no i think player can pause
hontono [1d\]: some humaneness there
just9x9 [-\]: every move?
]
;B[oj]
;W[lo]C[wolokom [4k\]: very .....
SirEttin [1d\]: over
just9x9 [-\]: white found something?
lupong [1d\]: m4
]
;B[ln]C[just9x9 [-\]: oh nope
Backseeed [4d\]: huh?
]
;W[lp]C[Backseeed [4d\]: what did black do?
ImNoSensei [-\]: wait what?
SirEttin [1d\]: engage
gogonuts [5d\]: wut?
RBerenguel [4k?\]: wtf
hontono [1d\]: white found miai
Lesmian [1d\]: black gave a nice gift
donkisot [2d\]: tesuji incoming now 
Backseeed [4d\]: m4 would be finde
ImNoSensei [-\]: yes m4 totally worked
barakeel [4d\]: white is dead
Backseeed [4d\]: dead?
TuLy [5k\]: where?
Backseeed [4d\]: black is dead
hontono [1d\]: DECIDE
]
;B[oq]C[LEIBNIZ [2k\]: b cooked
wolokom [4k\]: no fuchi kswari  
Lesmian [1d\]: he meant white p9 is dead 
]
;W[lm]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: gogonutsitis... it's contagious, RUN!
Turnipsi [2d\]: antii fooled like this...
EMeeren [8k\]: gg for black
jussayin: ober?
SirEttin [1d\]: ober
TuLy [5k\]: p12
barakeel [4d\]: 15 point loss
Backseeed [4d\]: antti not even in byo yomi
gogonuts [5d\]: insane
barakeel [4d\]: more
hontono [1d\]: time to catch up
barakeel [4d\]: 25 point
just9x9 [-\]: r17
hontono [1d\]: you can always catch up when the other is in byoyomi
pupukani [2d\]: its not such a big lose since black only gave m6, the other 3 were going to die anyway
Jazzman [1k\]: thats huge
donkisot [2d\]: white leading now imo
wolokom [4k\]: go achy made points !!!
jhrtjfg: r17 a huge pain for time
lupong [1d\]: just a misread antti is human after all
Lesmian [1d\]: it is x-mas efflux
Poney [2d\]: Big cash
]
;B[qc]C[just9x9 [-\]: see
just9x9 [-\]: :)
TuLy [5k\]: nice just9x9
]
;W[rc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i dont like such ironic results
donkisot [2d\]: lets see how aggresive white will be in that corner
Backseeed [4d\]: yea, me neither
just9x9 [-\]: s18
barakeel [4d\]: i don't see how it was dying if m4 instead of m6
ImNoSensei [-\]: did I miss something incredibly obvious with m4 or was that just a really bad screwup?
hontono [1d\]: should easily die
hontono [1d\]: but b might get something on the right side
bfm [-\]: maybe black wanted sente
Ahamay [5d\]: yes he screwed up
Ahamay [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: no, m4 worked for b
ImNoSensei [-\]: for w, you mean?
gogonuts [5d\]: w only had the outside moves in sente
SirEttin [1d\]: b needed sente
ImNoSensei [-\]: (couldn't resist)
bfm [-\]: but black m4 was gote
barakeel [4d\]: not at this cost
Ahamay [5d\]: l6 was a bad exchange to start with - but m4 still just worked
gogonuts [5d\]: i took care this time :-)
ImNoSensei [-\]: heheh
NlsBlr [1d\]: lets be honest- b sacrificed those stones to get sente ;)
barakeel [4d\]: ...
ImNoSensei [-\]: sente, the other classic dan excuse when "aji" doesn't get enough credit :D
pupukani [2d\]: haha
bfm [-\]: sente to play r17 was big too
Backseeed [4d\]: btw - jeff just said that g8 would have been correct for white (instead of g7)
]
;B[pg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: sente is the great catchall excuse
lupong [1d\]: there charity too
]
;W[og]C[FoH [4d\]: this sente cost b near 20 points
just9x9 [-\]: even taking gote is only to get sente later...
gogonuts [5d\]: on the bright side, we get to see a mad antti in action
guest999: is the comment on this game on eurogotv already started? 
RBerenguel [4k?\]: gogonuts, this is something that needs to be seen :D
Lesmian [1d\]: this byo is humorous
gogonuts [5d\]: shusaku was boring too, when everything went according to plan
RBerenguel [4k?\]: stream here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eurogotv-fi
]
;B[rd]
;W[re]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: easy to be boring when ahead
]
;B[qe]
;W[sd]C[FoH [4d\]: something crazy inc
Backseeed [4d\]: black can still try to kill the corner
guest999: thx
TurtleDove [5k\]: if in doubt, start a ko
]
;B[pd]C[wolokom [4k\]: try
ImNoSensei [-\]: Lee Changho circa 2003 is fairly boring too (most of the time), but he won everything ^^
]
;W[rd]
;B[of]C[gogonuts [5d\]: still some bite in b15, y
]
;W[qf]C[just9x9 [-\]: n17 will die :)
NlsBlr [1d\]: lools like a res sequence
wolokom [4k\]: and get them and r7 is dead
NlsBlr [1d\]: looks*
]
;B[ng]
;W[oh]C[Lesmian [1d\]: black will not resign when white is under such time pressure
pete038861 [4k\]: why always talk about leechangho go seigen those old guys. any go player worth talking of nowadays
wolokom [4k\]: time?
NlsBlr [1d\]: chen yaoye/ park junghwan
RBerenguel [4k?\]: lee changho old guy?
TP2014A [-\]: b 14 minutes. W in byoyomi 
Ahamay [5d\]: pete: too many to keep track of, so the old ones are easier
pupukani [2d\]: lee sedol and gu li, cant wait for their jubango
pete038861 [4k\]: ahamay, too many talents nowadays
TP2014A [-\]: yea Pupu. That jubango gonna be rally intense
ImNoSensei [-\]: they're also more common references
]
;B[nf]
;W[nh]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: not everyone knows every current Chinese 14 year old
barakeel [4d\]: hard to get out
ImNoSensei [-\]: or Korean 14 year old
just9x9 [-\]: let alone the 9 year old
barakeel [4d\]: black might resign here
RBerenguel [4k?\]: jeff said the M4 area was a kyu level mistake
TP2014A [-\]: prediction: p8  stones gonna die
TurtleDove [5k\]: m15 ?
ImNoSensei [-\]: Kong Jie is known for his kyu mistakes, B shouldn't feel too bad
]
;B[mf]
;W[lf]C[ImNoSensei [-\]: it's still silly though :(
]
;B[le]C[Ahamay [5d\]: zhou ruiyang, fan tingyu, chen yaoye, mi yuting, and tang weixing all won an international title in 2013
gogonuts [5d\]: that was sub-kyu, what comes below kyu?
]
;W[me]
;B[lg]C[just9x9 [-\]: chess
NlsBlr [1d\]: poker
Konservas [1d\]: poor anti ;/
]
;W[oe]
;B[kf]
;W[ne]
;B[mh]C[TP2014A [-\]: hmmm
gogonuts [5d\]: chen yaoye - at least one  i knew before
]
;W[ph]C[rats [2d?\]: that wasn't a bad result
pupukani [2d\]: thats 60 points in sente
Backseeed [4d\]: now black kills ul corner
donkisot [2d\]: 2 ponnukis worth 60 points
just9x9 [-\]: chen yaoye is old
lupong [1d\]: now b15
Poney [2d\]: I'd rather just C18
]
;B[kd]C[Ahamay [5d\]: ah I forgot shi yue, of course
donkisot [2d\]: kll g14 plz
]
;W[lb]C[Ahamay [5d\]: I played him recently and got smashed with 2 stones :)
Poney [2d\]: That's normal ^^
just9x9 [-\]: still enjoying your stay there?
ImNoSensei [-\]: point being, if you tell most people "ah yes, this is totally reminescent of how Zhou Ruiyang plays", they'll either pretend to know what you mean, or just admit to having no idea
Poney [2d\]: Shi Yue is so very good with influence
gogonuts [5d\]: would you be favorite on 3?
Jazzman [1k\]: maybe you're old as well :-)
]
;B[dg]C[ykuyu: m18 that big?
ImNoSensei [-\]: so the usual players who've been around longer are convenient
]
;W[bf]C[Liisa [1d\]: how much time left for the players?
]
;B[cb]
;W[bb]
;B[da]C[TP2014A [-\]: B: 9:32 W in byoyomi
TuLy [5k\]: b wins this?
]
;W[ba]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b behind
gogonuts [5d\]: but some chance in byoyomi endgame
ykuyu: l18 sente for b
FoH [4d\]: he is not behind
]
;B[kb]C[ykuyu: :)
]
;W[hf]C[just9x9 [-\]: center points for b as well
Thoravatar [3d\]: wow
TuLy [5k\]: hope for antti wins this
donkisot [2d\]: juri is better than antti
ykuyu: he cant become pro if he loses to 6d
Thoravatar [3d\]: here is a chance
just9x9 [-\]: o18 or what?
Lesmian [1d\]: go Juri and show him! 
Thoravatar [3d\]: q15
just9x9 [-\]: right away?
gogonuts [5d\]: he was doing fine until a silly misread
]
;B[lc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: everybody blunders
]
;W[kc]C[Backseeed [4d\]: m17 conceivable?
]
;B[np]C[Backseeed [4d\]: oh, he just did :)
]
;W[jo]
;B[lc]C[RBerenguel [4k?\]: jeff counted 4 behind for black
RBerenguel [4k?\]: (in the stream)
]
;W[md]C[Lesmian [1d\]: good
gogonuts [5d\]: so b will win :-)
Lesmian [1d\]: no
TuLy [5k\]: n18
ykuyu: jeff?
ykuyu: what stream
pupukani [2d\]: b has a lot of time
RBerenguel [4k?\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eurogotv-fi
TPStage1: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI
pupukani [2d\]: or was it white
]
;B[mb]C[TuLy [5k\]: b has time
]
;W[kc]C[TPStage1: b has a lot of time, w on byoyomi
]
;B[fm]
;W[fl]
;B[lc]C[just9x9 [-\]: better have a good threat now
]
;W[mj]C[f1230 [7d\]: c3
f1230 [7d\]: this is suspicious..
]
;B[la]C[RBerenguel [4k?\]: I don't get this threat :/
Jazzman [1k\]: isnt m19 senteß
donkisot [2d\]: c3 loses some points?
]
;W[rj]C[Backseeed [4d\]: suspicious indeed
TuLy [5k\]: trade?
EMeeren [8k\]: b q15?
lupong [1d\]: q15 seem painful ...
TuLy [5k\]: come on Antti :)
]
;B[rn]C[just9x9 [-\]: q15 feels like the right revenge for n3 stones
]
;W[ro]
;B[rl]C[Lesmian [1d\]: we do not need revenge
]
;W[pl]C[just9x9 [-\]: we?
Lesmian [1d\]: go community
]
;B[pm]
;W[pk]C[just9x9 [-\]: oh
]
;B[pj]
;W[sk]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: dead
Lesmian [1d\]: yes :)
]
;B[pe]
;W[qb]C[TuLy [5k\]: so q15
f1230 [7d\]: s6 lost yose..
]
;B[qg]
;W[rf]C[f1230 [7d\]: trade was already not bad too black
]
;B[ni]
;W[mi]C[donkisot [2d\]: white still leading 
just9x9 [-\]: b gets stubborn now
pupukani [2d\]: hmm
f1230 [7d\]: now black enters do or die..
RBerenguel [4k?\]: jeff says he doesn't see anything
RBerenguel [4k?\]: let's see
]
;B[mk]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]C[just9x9 [-\]: nice
]
;W[lh]C[just9x9 [-\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: !!!
ataraxy [4d\]: verx nice exchange for b
BlackSmurf [1d\]: why....?
Thoravatar [3d\]: this will hurt
Lesmian [1d\]: ko :(
gogonuts [5d\]: m12, what is this?
just9x9 [-\]: time
Poney [2d\]: Was there any other move?
gogonuts [5d\]: m11 was safe
TP2014A [-\]: b has 1 min 20 sec w in byo
lupong [1d\]: m11 didn't worked
tymak [1k\]: pretty double edge ko
Poney [2d\]: you can't run off with M11
gogonuts [5d\]: this might work in the end, but still
Lesmian [1d\]: m12 is best move to be found in 15 sec byo
RBerenguel [4k?\]: B has no ko threats according to jeff
laduradura [8d\]: black cannot fight to ko
gogonuts [5d\]: sure you can m11
gogonuts [5d\]: as w
patata [4d\]: who is jeff?
wolokom [4k\]: time?
laduradura [8d\]: gogonuts,m11 is slack
RBerenguel [4k?\]: jeffchang
Poney [2d\]: And where do you go with M11 ?
RBerenguel [4k?\]: EGF 6d, commenting on ustream
Poney [2d\]: White has no libs
]
;B[kk]C[Lesmian [1d\]: m11 worked
]
;W[ll]C[viennava [3d\]: over
gogonuts [5d\]: w is in byoyomi, trying to wrap up
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the tormanator
]
;B[mg]
;W[kg]C[wolokom [4k\]: AND B
]
;B[lf]
;W[jf]
;B[ke]
;W[kj]
;B[kh]
;W[li]C[bfm [-\]: hmmm
]
;B[pc]C[f1230 [7d\]: so b lost like 10 extra points at least trying to live..
gogonuts [5d\]: jeff says over - hes right
f1230 [7d\]: then takes trade
f1230 [7d\]: strange
TP2014A [-\]: both in byoyomi
Ahamay [5d\]: wat?
]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]C[f1230 [7d\]: probably like 15 points trying to live
]
;W[ik]
;B[jj]
;W[jk]
;B[ie]
;W[jg]C[ykuyu: f2 big
]
;B[bl]
;W[bn]
;B[ap]
;W[fo]
;B[en]C[jussayin: res soon
gogonuts [5d\]: too unhappy about m6 to resign ...
]
;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[bm]C[planvert [8k\]: f2 d2?
]
;B[bk]
;W[fr]
;B[er]C[HappyLook [5d\]: hm.. the game would be close if b started ko. w takes top, b takes r5 
]
;W[sq]
;B[sr]
;W[sp]
;B[qr]
;W[eg]
;B[eh]
;W[ag]
;B[ah]
;W[af]
;B[ch]
;W[ih]C[f1230 [7d\]: its hard to understand accepting the squeeze and play yose..
]
;B[gh]C[FoH [4d\]: the top ko wasnt so nessecary 4 b
f1230 [7d\]: better do ko and die trying lol
]
;W[ji]C[RBerenguel [4k?\]: it's kind of training
]
;B[ff]
;W[fe]C[f1230 [7d\]: i think top ko was not bad for black
RBerenguel [4k?\]: nothing better than playing yose in real life with 15 second byoyomi
HappyLook [5d\]: yeap. no chance with boring moves like this
]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]
;B[gn]
;W[hn]C[f1230 [7d\]: if he dont try to live but play proper yose maybe its close
grugru [2d\]: t7 ?
]
;B[fs]
;W[gs]C[jussayin: m6 made Antti lose all focus
]
;B[es]C[f1230 [7d\]: i think just black self-destructed after easy mistake
f1230 [7d\]: yeah
]
;W[gg]
;B[pa]
;W[ra]C[f1230 [7d\]: after m6 he became annoyed of this game probably :p
]
;B[fh]C[Lesmian [1d\]: this byo yomi was always like this in previous tournaments?
]
;W[je]
;B[jd]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]C[f1230 [7d\]: but i think white played well
]
;W[ca]
;B[db]C[HappyLook [5d\]: dunno. w like +25 or so. b lost 15 pts or so with his anti-yose
f1230 [7d\]: he found q8 clear killing seq in byoyomi
]
;W[gb]
;B[hb]
;W[if]
;B[ga]
;W[fq]C[just9x9 [-\]: hehe, antii-yose
]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]
;B[ek]
;W[fk]C[ykuyu: antti-yose
]
;B[ed]C[f1230 [7d\]: to me, D13 was also strange
HappyLook [5d\]: y, that was hard problem for such a short time
f1230 [7d\]: could attempt to kill at least..
TP2014A [-\]: sorry guys
f1230 [7d\]: and remove all threats before ko =p
TP2014A [-\]: I lost track of the game
f1230 [7d\]: should first l18
RBerenguel [4k?\]: hehe you kept track for a long while
f1230 [7d\]: before removing aji in upperleft
wolokom [4k\]: W WINNS I THINK
Jazzman [1k\]: booooo :-)
bfm [-\]: yes white wins
TP2014A [-\]: they are blizing this to the end
TP2014A [-\]: passpass
TP2014A [-\]: now counting score
TP2014A [-\]: anyway nothing special happened in the end game
f1230 [7d\]: yeah result is clear
f1230 [7d\]: wp white
FoH [4d\]: do Antti has acc on kgs?
planvert [8k\]: blanc gagne?
Backseeed [4d\]: tragic game
RBerenguel [4k?\]: @FoH: Tien
TP2014A [-\]: yea Tien is his acco
FoH [4d\]: ok thx
TP2014A [-\]: np
Gorim [1d\]: didn't know Juri was 6d nowadays
HappyLook [5d\]: 2550 egf
TP2014A [-\]: got his promotion quite recently
TP2014A [-\]: after go congress
RBerenguel [4k?\]: how many games does the tournament have?
TP2014A [-\]: w wins
RBerenguel [4k?\]: *I meant rounds
TP2014A [-\]: thanks for watching
TPStage1: 5 games, and extra to resolve the prizes if necessary
RBerenguel [4k?\]: aha
wolokom [4k\]: HOW MANNY points
RBerenguel [4k?\]: so... 2 more
TP2014A [-\]: w wins by many pointss
RBerenguel [4k?\]: see you later ;)
asdads: thx
TP2014A [-\]: next round starts in 25 minutes
gooooo [-\]: tp, thank you
TP2014A [-\]: nows a fast food lunch brak
wolokom [4k\]: thx
TP2014A [-\]: see u next round!
omggg [?\]: thx TP
TP2014A [-\]: pleasures all mine :)
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;B[is]
;W[ir]
;B[js]
;W[hs]
;B[po]
;W[pn]
;B[pp]
;W[al]
;B[ak]
;W[am]
;B[ao]
;W[eo]
;B[dp]
;W[qa]
;B[oa]
;W[ee]
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NlsBlr [1d\]: what is the result?
TP2014A [-\]: w wins
yunoo: i count w+ 19+komi
Gigot [2k\]: I count w+20+komi
Gigot [2k\]: But maybe I made a mistake
yunoo: same here
Gigot [2k\]: White+21+komi according to scoring tool
yunoo: so i failed harder
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