(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[4200]OT[1x15 byo-yomi]
GN[Takapotku tournament round 4 board 2]PW[Vesa Laatikainen]PB[Antti Törmänen]WR[5d]BR[7d]DT[2014-01-05]EV[Takapotku 2014]RO[4]PC[Espoo, Finland]WT[eGo]BT[eGo]US[Joonas Pihlajamaa]RE[B+9.00]
;B[dc]
;W[dp]
;B[qd]
;W[po]
;B[ce]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[nc]
;B[pc]
;W[md]
;B[qf]
;W[ic]
;B[pq]
;W[nq]
;B[op]
;W[mp]
;B[oo]
;W[pm]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[ro]
;W[on]
;B[fq]C[goren2 [2k\]: p6 is pretty cool
]
;W[hq]C[TP2014B [-\]: self-made ponnukiis 29 points
]
;B[hp]
;W[iq]C[goren2 [2k\]: plus extra point for style
]
;B[gp]
;W[eq]C[Backseeed [4d\]: g4 unusual, f5 would be normal
goren2 [2k\]: c3
goren2 [2k\]: a free corner
]
;B[ip]
;W[jq]
;B[dn]
;W[en]
;B[dl]
;W[dm]
;B[cm]
;W[em]
;B[cn]
;W[hm]C[Backseeed [4d\]: white managed that well 
TP2014B [-\]: Vesa is an old fox
]
;B[jp]
;W[kq]
;B[jm]
;W[dj]
;B[el]
;W[fl]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]
;B[ck]C[Backseeed [4d\]: the white shape feels wrong though
Backseeed [4d\]: very thin
Javaness [2d\]: it is wrong
]
;W[fj]
;B[gk]
;W[eo]C[TP2014B [-\]: white seemed a bit unsatisfied playing E5
]
;B[gj]
;W[cj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w had a promising fight here, but h7 was better at J7, imo
Backseeed [4d\]: seems d10 was overplay
]
;B[bp]
;W[bq]C[PeF [1k\]: F8 
PeF [1k\]: d10 is common ?
TPStage1: very common
]
;B[bj]
;W[bi]C[TPStage1: it forces black into a bad shape, or else white gets a position on the side
TPStage1: this would be the "else" variation
]
;B[dk]
;W[ej]
;B[bl]
;W[aj]
;B[bk]
;W[ch]C[PeF [1k\]: I see black shape recently in korean pro tournament
]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]C[goren2 [2k\]: g11
PeF [1k\]: Something very similar :)
TPStage1: vesa will never, ever let a cutting stone go
gogonuts [5d\]: should keep it here
gogonuts [5d\]: not clear to me that f7 is good
gogonuts [5d\]: w corner not so weak
goren2 [2k\]: g11 seems like the right move to me
Backseeed [4d\]: f7 makes the game very complicated
Backseeed [4d\]: if black plays c3, there are no eyes for white in the corner
]
;B[gn]C[Backseeed [4d\]: and connection to the right only works, if f4 doesnt threat to cut
]
;W[hk]
;B[gi]
;W[bo]
;B[cp]
;W[co]
;B[bn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w should have asked at h6, imo
]
;W[cq]C[goren2 [2k\]: niw b k11
goren2 [2k\]: now
]
;B[il]
;W[hl]
;B[ij]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w didnt have time for the nice big corner
gogonuts [5d\]: this stinks for w
]
;W[jn]C[Javaness [2d\]: the centre looks too powerful
]
;B[hn]C[hontono [1d\]: H6 first
hontono [1d\]: yea
hontono [1d\]: that's why
hontono [1d\]: sloppy reading
]
;W[im]
;B[jl]C[PeF [1k\]: dead
]
;W[ik]C[kentia [1d\]: oh man this looks bad
]
;B[jk]C[asdfafgzx: not dead
hontono [1d\]: just in a better place
Backseeed [4d\]: seems to me that white can excape
]
;W[in]C[asdfafgzx: yes
]
;B[kn]C[mooooo [6k?\]: l6 l7 l5 k10 k11 
asdfafgzx: k10 is the weak spot
mooooo [6k?\]: something like this?
kentia [1d\]: so what's b plan?
]
;W[hj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: pseudo-suji at h6
Backseeed [4d\]: white l5 first would be even more severe
gogonuts [5d\]: b still shaken from the last game
kentia [1d\]: maybe
]
;B[ko]
;W[jj]
;B[kj]
;W[ii]C[kentia [1d\]: f12
Backseeed [4d\]: antti lucky white didnt play l5
gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
]
;B[ki]
;W[gh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g12 captures
Backseeed [4d\]: that should be a definite warning sign for his concentration
gogonuts [5d\]: bad enough
]
;B[pj]
;W[mn]C[PeF [1k\]: g17 is big
]
;B[lm]C[kentia [1d\]: so f7 was overplay
]
;W[fc]C[Backseeed [4d\]: probably yes
PeF [1k\]: it hurts
gogonuts [5d\]: im not entirely sure
Backseeed [4d\]: black could use the pther atari as well
]
;B[nn]C[Backseeed [4d\]: g8 seemed reasonable too
gogonuts [5d\]: if b leaves out h6 i think it works
]
;W[mm]C[ykuyu: white way ahead
mooooo [6k?\]: anttii won against juri?
ykuyu: nol
]
;B[no]C[gogonuts [5d\]: f17 was greedy
PeF [1k\]: O6 doesnt work ?
PeF [1k\]: o7*
gogonuts [5d\]: just n7 was fine for w
]
;W[nm]C[Poney [2d\]: now making a heavy group : /
Poney [2d\]: P8 first ?
gogonuts [5d\]: exactly
]
;B[mo]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the price of greed
]
;W[lo]
;B[ln]
;W[lp]C[Backseeed [4d\]: huh
]
;B[rn]C[Backseeed [4d\]: white playing extremely heavy
Poney [2d\]: Yes ^^
]
;W[oj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: promising again for b
kentia [1d\]: w plays too fast
Poney [2d\]: It's too bad because the position was very nice a few moves ago
gogonuts [5d\]: really didnt take long
Backseeed [4d\]: black really has to find his focus again - still has a chance
TP2014B [-\]: results from previous round (3) are here: http://sqa.fi/takapotku/takapotku2014_StandingsR3.html
Poney [2d\]: W should've taken advantage of this and play solid, how do you wanna win against somebody 2stones stronger otherwise : /
]
;B[pk]
;W[mj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w lost his focus, that works too :-)
gooooo [-\]: tp2014b, thanks!
medical [2k\]: peep
medical [2k\]: ?
Poney [2d\]: when b play M17 and ko, w will cry
Backseeed [4d\]: still very difficult to catch white here
Backseeed [4d\]: n12?
Poney [2d\]: n12 p12 ?
TP2014B [-\]: Time left: white 57 minutes and black 38 minutes.
Backseeed [4d\]: if white gets out, the black group in the middle will be in trouble as well
Backseeed [4d\]: so black has to shut white in
]
;B[ol]C[Backseeed [4d\]: m9 and n12 ?
medical [2k\]: yay, peep
Backseeed [4d\]: ah, n12 nonsense
]
;W[mk]C[kentia [1d\]: uuh
]
;B[mh]
;W[nh]C[Backseeed [4d\]: that was a nice peep
]
;B[ng]C[kentia [1d\]: this could die
]
;W[oh]
;B[mi]C[Javaness [2d\]: i could die there
gogonuts [5d\]: not just you
]
;W[ni]
;B[om]C[kentia [1d\]: *profit*
Backseeed [4d\]: good timing
]
;W[ll]C[Backseeed [4d\]: still o9 for black
]
;B[kk]C[Poney [2d\]: What a shape for white lol
]
;W[mg]C[Backseeed [4d\]: n13 seems overplay
Backseeed [4d\]: what can he do if black just connects o13?
]
;B[kg]C[kentia [1d\]: well he wants to fight back..somehow
]
;W[lg]
;B[lh]
;W[nf]C[Backseeed [4d\]: l13 was surprisingly soft 
kentia [1d\]: yeah, now what
Backseeed [4d\]: maybe o9?
Backseeed [4d\]: to be on the safe side
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont get why b cut at p7
]
;B[nk]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: cut first
Koukkaaja [3d\]: isn't that a proverb?
kentia [1d\]: maybe b thinks he got enough
Poney [2d\]: C17 ?
]
;W[nj]
;B[ml]
;W[cd]C[Backseeed [4d\]: now white gets some fun
gogonuts [5d\]: before n13 w should have forced at p9
gogonuts [5d\]: that way bs center would need attention
TPStage1: commentary will start shortly
]
;B[dd]
;W[cc]C[Backseeed [4d\]: this will be difficult for black
TPStage1: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-FI commentary by http://www.nordicgoacademy.com/teachers/jeff/
kentia [1d\]: b15?
mooooo [6k?\]: jeff aka finnish8d
Poney [2d\]: w is so strong around that the corner will probably live for white
gogonuts [5d\]: b simple d14?
goren2 [2k\]: does b b18 work?
]
;B[ee]
;W[be]
;B[hd]
;W[fe]
;B[fd]C[Poney [2d\]: Antti will be angry if he loses another game :x
]
;W[gd]
;B[ge]
;W[ed]C[Poney [2d\]: Is white in byo yomi ?
]
;B[ff]C[Poney [2d\]: He plays super fast
]
;W[fd]C[jojotus [3d\]: Vesa, in byo-yomi? guess not
]
;B[fh]
;W[fi]
;B[gg]
;W[hh]
;B[bf]C[Poney [2d\]: Connect
]
;W[cf]
;B[de]
;W[bd]C[goren2 [2k\]: h17
]
;B[he]C[TP2014B [-\]: vesa is almost never in byoyomi
]
;W[hc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i still dont like e15, but f15 sure failed big time
TP2014B [-\]: antti had a stone in hand but put it back into the bowl
]
;B[cg]C[ykuyu: vesa is female name>?
joachim [?\]: No
]
;W[bg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: its not teresa
]
;B[df]
;W[af]C[weiqidevil [-\]: lol
]
;B[je]C[wolokom [4k\]: oh je
]
;W[eg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nicht schlimm
]
;B[ef]
;W[kd]
;B[jd]
;W[jc]C[Backseeed [4d\]: black save it in sente
]
;B[pg]C[Backseeed [4d\]: not bad
]
;W[og]C[gogonuts [5d\]: in the end e15 still didnt pay, despite the nice counter to f15
Poney [2d\]: g2 
]
;B[ke]
;W[pd]C[donkisot [2d\]: f2 wins the game 
]
;B[qc]C[Poney [2d\]: W played so fast, incredible, if he hadn't gone all heavy in the center i'm wondering what the score would be
]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]
;W[pf]
;B[qg]
;W[pi]
;B[qi]C[Poney [2d\]: G2 time ?
]
;W[ob]C[donkisot [2d\]: white didnt use r12 ko
donkisot [2d\]: he thinks he is ahead then 
donkisot [2d\]: though it was like 15 step ko
]
;B[or]C[Poney [2d\]: there was no ko ?
]
;W[nr]C[joachim [?\]: f4 is sente, so f2 is not sooo big
gogonuts [5d\]: i think b will barely make it
gogonuts [5d\]: becaue w f2 doesnt work
donkisot [2d\]: there was a ko, but black had 5 local threats
]
;B[fb]
;W[gb]
;B[ec]
;W[gc]C[Poney [2d\]: I can't find anything that leads to something for white with R12
]
;B[er]
;W[dr]
;B[gr]
;W[oq]C[donkisot [2d\]: white p9 sente 
Wichmaster [6d\]: where is jeffs ommentary
donkisot [2d\]: q8 ladder
]
;B[pr]
;W[pp]
;B[nl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: false scare
]
;W[qp]
;B[rq]C[FraTeoX [1d\]: f2 was so big for w
Wichmaster [6d\]: r three better
]
;W[kp]
;B[jo]
;W[hr]
;B[pb]
;W[nb]C[pok [2d\]: komi is really 7 ? who win tie ?
pok [2d\]: mmh
TP2014B [-\]: a tie is a tie
pok [2d\]: here the komi is 6.5
]
;B[ld]
;W[kc]
;B[le]C[pok [2d\]: in the other game it is 7
gooooo [-\]: tp, white doesn't win at ties?
TPStage1: tie is a tie, each get half a point in the tournament for a tie
pok [2d\]: ok
]
;W[jh]
;B[kh]
;W[es]C[pok [2d\]: i meant point tie, because komi is marked as 7 in Juri Kuronen game
]
;B[fs]C[donkisot [2d\]: white leading imo
]
;W[fr]
;B[do]
;W[ap]
;B[er]
;W[an]
;B[am]
;W[fr]
;B[lc]
;W[lb]C[Backseeed [4d\]: f1 means antti agrees with you
]
;B[er]
;W[id]
;B[ie]
;W[fr]C[Poney [2d\]:  only bottom right for threats ?
]
;B[fp]
;W[ep]
;B[er]
;W[jg]C[wolokom [4k\]: anntti winns
]
;B[hg]C[kentia [1d\]: I'm not so sure
donkisot [2d\]: white was leading before that ko, should be still leading
fekand5 [1d\]: l14
donkisot [2d\]: take the ko use l14 as ko threat later?
]
;W[ig]C[Backseeed [4d\]: j13?
Backseeed [4d\]: that is a strange move
kentia [1d\]: jeff dont like that 
]
;B[ds]C[donkisot [2d\]: black might be alive now 
donkisot [2d\]: but white can take sme profit 
donkisot [2d\]: lets see
]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]
;W[jf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: sry w
]
;B[eh]
;W[dg]
;B[dh]
;W[cf]C[Poney [2d\]: e19 
donkisot [2d\]: d12 surprise move
kentia [1d\]: b could win now
]
;B[mf]
;W[ng]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w couldnt play f13 anyways
]
;B[cb]C[donkisot [2d\]: yep i missed that 
gogonuts [5d\]: safe
donkisot [2d\]: now black might gain some points 
Poney [2d\]: B wins big now
donkisot [2d\]: need to count again
]
;W[bb]
;B[ea]C[kentia [1d\]: j13 was horrible
]
;W[ca]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i dont ahave the stream on, but in my minds eye i can see vesa muttering
]
;B[db]
;W[ga]C[gnarf [1d\]: j13 was really strange
]
;B[fa]
;W[cs]
;B[ns]C[Backseeed [4d\]: j13 also looked strange - even on first glimpse
]
;W[os]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: j13 to gain one point, oops
kentia [1d\]: n1? :)
]
;B[ms]
;W[mr]
;B[ps]
;W[ls]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[ne]
;W[oe]
;B[ji]C[gogonuts [5d\]: n1 didnt work, not important, but antti is having some misreads
kentia [1d\]: yea weird
]
;W[os]
;B[ns]
;W[lk]C[donkisot [2d\]: black won
]
;B[if]
;W[ih]C[donkisot [2d\]: after that ko
Poney [2d\]: pretty sure he wasn't behind before the ko
]
;B[ak]
;W[ai]
;B[hs]C[Ahamay [5d\]: n1 was good
]
;W[is]C[Ahamay [5d\]: made sure white can't play N1 and save one move by winning the ko
]
;B[qe]C[Ahamay [5d\]: praobably will never happen
Poney [2d\]: Still a pretty good result for white, considering he's 5d and w 7d
Ahamay [5d\]: but he might try
]
;W[pa]
;B[qa]
;W[oa]
;B[pe]
;W[nd]
;B[me]
;W[of]C[wolokom [4k\]: shure w sufferd alot 
gogonuts [5d\]: hm, true, didnt cost him, just removed a w option, my bad
Ahamay [5d\]: but sure usually capture is better
]
;B[lj]
;W[kl]
;B[km]C[Ahamay [5d\]: for aji in w territory and because that ko ist usually insane
]
;W[cg]
;B[fg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: solid win now, but shaky overall
]
;W[di]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w prob more pleased than b with thegame
]
;B[qq]
;W[gs]
;B[fr]C[Ahamay [5d\]: if you let aside the way he cut the center and lost the ko :)
]
;W[ba]
;B[da]C[gogonuts [5d\]: he can ignore that in his mind :-)
kentia [1d\]: yeah b can't be very happy, even if won
]
;W[hi]
;B[es]
;W[hs]
;B[ao]
;W[ms]
;B[os]
;W[ij]
;B[an]
;W[fn]
;B[gm]
;W[go]
;B[ho]
;W[fo]
;B[io]
;W[ok]
;B[np]
;W[ei]
;B[gq]
;W[]
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Javaness [2d\]: kiitos
TP2014B [-\]: Thanks for watching, everyone!
Lesmian [1d\]: thank you for relaying
omggg [?\]: Thanks you
TP2014B [-\]: There will be one more round tomorrow, hope to see you again then!
])
