(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]OT[1x15 byo-yomi] GN[European Pair Go Championship 2014 round 2 board 1]PW[Shikshina, Shikshin]PB[Kalsberg, Bogdanov]WR[7d]BR[4d]DT[2014-05-03]EV[European Pair Go Championship 2014 round 2 board 1]RO[2]PC[Helsinki]US[Sheriffi] ;B[pp] ;W[dd] ;B[cp] ;W[qd] ;B[cf] ;W[fc] ;B[dj] ;W[oc] ;B[qi]C[MaLa [3d\]: hmmm are the results online? cant find them on the english page :( ] ;W[nq] ;B[qf]C[MaLa [3d\]: if not, do you know against who and how Marz/Teuber played in first round? and who they are playing now? Sarkenge [1d\]: It's 2v2 ? But, who's 7d, who's 4d ? EPGC2014a [?\]: results http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/EPGC2014Tulokset MaLa [3d\]: average teamlevel MaLa [3d\]: thanks EPGC :) ] ;W[fq] ;B[hq] ;W[cq] ;B[dq] ;W[dp] ;B[cr] ;W[bq] ;B[ep] ;W[do] ;B[eq]C[goBum [?\]: table for 2? goBum [?\]: ┻━┻︵ \\(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻ ] ;W[br] ;B[dm] ;W[en] ;B[bn] ;W[bo] ;B[fp] ;W[kq] ;B[np]C[Catlemur [1k\]: r4 ] ;W[qq] ;B[qp] ;W[pq] ;B[oq] ;W[or] ;B[op] ;W[mq] ;B[oj] ;W[di]C[hrshrsh: q8 looks more safe ] ;B[ci] ;W[ch]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: q8 looks overconcentrated to me ] ;B[dh] ;W[ei] ;B[eh]C[prisoner [1d\]: b should try to get d6 after this sequence kmlck [2d\]: is w rolns sister? Nono24124: yes EPGC2014a [?\]: yes prisoner [1d\]: i think so kmlck [2d\]: i thought she was pro ben0 [7d\]: and shikshinou is the little brother ben0 [7d\]: (ok i'm out) avantgarde [2d\]: roln and his sister Nono24124: Svetlana shikshin MaLa [3d\]: @kmick she is pro Nono24124: coreann pro ben0 [7d\]: honorary pro* MaLa [3d\]: this does not exist in korea ;) Nono24124: like dinerstein you mean Ben ? Seagal [2k\]: http://online-go.com/game/demo/17508 Seagal [2k\]: board 2 ben0 [7d\]: yes nono ] ;W[cj] ;B[bi]C[Seagal [2k\]: Pempu had some KGS trouble with his pad Seagal [2k\]: so OGS ] ;W[ck]C[MaLa [3d\]: advertising other goservers here... :D EPGC2014a [?\]: :| Seagal [2k\]: sorry Seagal [2k\]: about that Prodigious [-\]: the kgs android client is unfortunately not very good for scribing ] ;B[bh] ;W[el] ;B[em]C[Nono24124: is there a video of the game? EPGC2014a [?\]: no ] ;W[ej]C[MaLa [3d\]: who is playing board 2? MaLa [3d\]: (incl colors) ] ;B[fn] ;W[fh] ;B[ef] ;W[ce] ;B[fg] ;W[bf]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: Kovaleva, Surin (b) and Zaloudkva, Hora (w) MaLa [3d\]: thanks ] ;B[cg] ;W[gi] ;B[gh] ;W[fi] ;B[hh] ;W[hi] ;B[ih]C[Seagal [2k\]: http://online-go.com/game/demo/17508 ] ;W[jj]C[Seagal [2k\]: board 2 ] ;B[hc]C[Seagal [2k\]: kovaleva + surin vs zaloudkova vs hora Nono24124: is that the web site for the championship ? http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/MainPage ] ;W[gd] ;B[hd]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: english version is http://www.sgl.fi/index.php?page=epgc2014 ] ;W[gf]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: but results and stuff is at http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/EPGC2014 ] ;B[ed] ;W[ec] ;B[de] ;W[cd] ;B[he] ;W[lc] ;B[ge] ;W[ol] ;B[nr] ;W[pr]C[Nono24124: Does black is one of the Bogdanov brothers ? EPGC2014a [?\]: Viktor ] ;B[nl] ;W[nm]C[Nono24124: sure it's not Igor or Grichka ? ] ;B[om]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: yes Nono24124: I imagine they could play a perfect cosmic go ] ;W[nk] ;B[pl] ;W[ml] ;B[ok]C[Nono24124: nobody is here for trolling ? ] ;W[on] ;B[pm] ;W[rp] ;B[ro] ;W[rq] ;B[mp] ;W[lp] ;B[fl] ;W[ii]C[only3d [4d\]: i am here don't worry ] ;B[cl]C[only3d [4d\]: i just don't ask to troll this beautifull game :) ] ;W[dk] ;B[jr] ;W[jq]C[profan [-\]: is k2 sente? only3d [4d\]: + ] ;B[nc]C[Stuttgart [?\]: who is playing? (I'm on Android) profan [-\]: isnt p15 or s16 interesting? EPGC2014a [?\]: Shikshina, Shikshin (w), kalsberg, Bogdanov (b) ] ;W[nb] ;B[ob]C[Stuttgart [?\]: thanks :) ] ;W[nd]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: profan, i think black must play more aggressive, as b is quite a bit behind ] ;B[pc] ;W[od]C[profan [-\]: i agree Patmo, perhaps aggressivity against Shikshin's could be a boomerang ] ;B[pd] ;W[pe]C[Stuttgart [?\]: profan, the only other thing would be the hope for a mistake from white, right? only3d [4d\]: b think about resign now maybe Patmo234 [1d?\]: yeah b is in a very painful position profan [-\]: according with faith, miracle is also an option :D ] ;B[mc] ;W[mb]C[Stuttgart [?\]: according to probability a meteor strike is also possible ^^ profan [-\]: that would be a draw :D ] ;B[qc] ;W[qe]C[Stuttgart [?\]: true :) ] ;B[pb]C[just9x9 [-\]: ladder good for w? only3d [4d\]: yes only3d [4d\]: ladder work for w only3d [4d\]: n16 n15 m16 l16 m15 m14 l15 k15 l14 l13 k14 j14 k13 k12 j13 g13 ] ;W[pf]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: gnarly ] ;B[rd]C[profan [-\]: they stolen 1 corner? ] ;W[qg]C[only3d [4d\]: w win only3d [4d\]: no matter corner.. just9x9 [-\]: they were conceded one corner ] ;B[jh] ;W[md] ;B[lr] ;W[lq] ;B[kr]C[Stuttgart [?\]: is Ilya playing less aggressive in pair go? ] ;W[rn]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: L2 was very small Maiden [-\]: hey, Victor Bodganov is playing ^^ ] ;B[qo] ;W[mr] ;B[so] ;W[dr] ;B[er]C[profan [-\]: stolen.. conceded ... until the last degree of judgment of the High Court, in Italy it is not clear: D ] ;W[cs]C[just9x9 [-\]: i dont see b that far behind to be honest ] ;B[hm] ;W[re] ;B[rc]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: how many points is "that far"? Sandokan [11k\]: a good point just9x9 [-\]: that far begins with 10-15 for me ] ;W[pi] ;B[qj] ;W[iq] ;B[ir] ;W[hp] ;B[gp] ;W[hr] ;B[gq]C[Nono24124: who played H2 ? Ilya or Svetlana ? EPGC2014a [?\]: ilya Nono24124: lol only3d [4d\]: ilya is better than svetlana ... ] ;W[rh]C[only3d [4d\]: :) just9x9 [-\]: weaker player plays kikashi, normal in pairgo :)) profan [-\]: s12 looks big to me Patmo234 [1d?\]: is it 6,5 komi? ] ;B[gb]C[asas: w c6 only3d [4d\]: svetlana 3p with 6d strong...... ] ;W[fb]C[gotoin [6k\]: h2 looks like loosing a threat ] ;B[ri]C[asas: w c6 ] ;W[sd] ;B[rb] ;W[jc]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: black resigns only3d [4d\]: :D only3d [4d\]: normal EPGC2014a [?\]: white wins by resignation Seagal [2k\]: thx :) Sandokan [11k\]: which black ? only3d [4d\]: k17 say to black they loses HelloQtion [-\]: thank you breakfast [3p\]: who is on board2? Hobbes [1k\]: whao such early resignation is uncommon in normal tournamet asas: roln and redrosr, go! Patmo234 [1d?\]: its really over though just9x9 [-\]: chicken resign Sandokan [11k\]: can the players discuss with each other about resigning? EPGC2014a [?\]: sure avantgarde [2d\]: breakfast: Kovaleva, Surin vs Zaloudkova, Hora just9x9 [-\]: can they? Patmo234 [1d?\]: yes they can just9x9 [-\]: isnt that considered talking? resusou: when the next round begin? Hobbes [1k\]: maybe in pair go there is less "hormones" involved and you accept the loss more easily Sandokan [11k\]: did not know that, thanks just9x9 [-\]: i mean you inform the other about your assesment of the position that way Patmo234 [1d?\]: ye well they are meant to keep it short, and only not talk about reasoning Patmo234 [1d?\]: just asking and the other player agreeing or disagreeing okiol [1k\]: i'm guessing that pairgo/rengo makes for a bigger chance of one team being much stronger than the other, too just9x9 [-\]: short a sin "resign?" "kidding?" Patmo234 [1d?\]: yeah black really got beat up all aroung the board ])