(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[2700]OT[1x15 byo-yomi]
GN[European Pair Go Championship 2014 round 2 board 1]PW[Shikshina, Shikshin]PB[Kalsberg, Bogdanov]WR[7d]BR[4d]DT[2014-05-03]EV[European Pair Go Championship 2014 round 2 board 1]RO[2]PC[Helsinki]US[Sheriffi]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[cp]
;W[qd]
;B[cf]
;W[fc]
;B[dj]
;W[oc]
;B[qi]C[MaLa [3d\]: hmmm are the results online? cant find them on the english page :(
]
;W[nq]
;B[qf]C[MaLa [3d\]: if not, do you know against who and how Marz/Teuber played in first round? and who they are playing now?
Sarkenge [1d\]: It's 2v2 ? But, who's 7d, who's 4d ?
EPGC2014a [?\]: results http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/EPGC2014Tulokset
MaLa [3d\]: average teamlevel
MaLa [3d\]: thanks EPGC :)
]
;W[fq]
;B[hq]
;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[dp]
;B[cr]
;W[bq]
;B[ep]
;W[do]
;B[eq]C[goBum [?\]: table for 2?
goBum [?\]: ┻━┻︵ \\(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻
]
;W[br]
;B[dm]
;W[en]
;B[bn]
;W[bo]
;B[fp]
;W[kq]
;B[np]C[Catlemur [1k\]: r4
]
;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]
;B[oq]
;W[or]
;B[op]
;W[mq]
;B[oj]
;W[di]C[hrshrsh: q8 looks more safe
]
;B[ci]
;W[ch]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: q8 looks overconcentrated to me
]
;B[dh]
;W[ei]
;B[eh]C[prisoner [1d\]: b should try to get d6 after this sequence
kmlck [2d\]: is w rolns sister?
Nono24124: yes
EPGC2014a [?\]: yes
prisoner [1d\]: i think  so
kmlck [2d\]: i thought she was pro
ben0 [7d\]: and shikshinou is the little brother
ben0 [7d\]: (ok i'm out)
avantgarde [2d\]: roln and his sister
Nono24124: Svetlana shikshin
MaLa [3d\]: @kmick she is pro
Nono24124: coreann pro
ben0 [7d\]: honorary pro*
MaLa [3d\]: this does not exist in korea ;) 
Nono24124: like dinerstein you mean Ben ?
Seagal [2k\]: http://online-go.com/game/demo/17508
Seagal [2k\]: board 2
ben0 [7d\]: yes nono
]
;W[cj]
;B[bi]C[Seagal [2k\]: Pempu had some KGS trouble with his pad
Seagal [2k\]: so OGS
]
;W[ck]C[MaLa [3d\]: advertising other goservers here... :D
EPGC2014a [?\]: :|
Seagal [2k\]: sorry
Seagal [2k\]: about that
Prodigious [-\]: the kgs android client is unfortunately not very good for scribing
]
;B[bh]
;W[el]
;B[em]C[Nono24124: is there a video of the game?
EPGC2014a [?\]: no
]
;W[ej]C[MaLa [3d\]: who is playing board 2?
MaLa [3d\]: (incl colors)
]
;B[fn]
;W[fh]
;B[ef]
;W[ce]
;B[fg]
;W[bf]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: Kovaleva, Surin (b) and Zaloudkva, Hora (w)
MaLa [3d\]: thanks
]
;B[cg]
;W[gi]
;B[gh]
;W[fi]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]
;B[ih]C[Seagal [2k\]: http://online-go.com/game/demo/17508
]
;W[jj]C[Seagal [2k\]: board 2
]
;B[hc]C[Seagal [2k\]: kovaleva + surin vs zaloudkova vs hora
Nono24124: is that the web site for the championship ? http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/MainPage
]
;W[gd]
;B[hd]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: english version is http://www.sgl.fi/index.php?page=epgc2014
]
;W[gf]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: but results and stuff is at http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/EPGC2014
]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[de]
;W[cd]
;B[he]
;W[lc]
;B[ge]
;W[ol]
;B[nr]
;W[pr]C[Nono24124: Does black is one of the Bogdanov brothers ?
EPGC2014a [?\]: Viktor
]
;B[nl]
;W[nm]C[Nono24124: sure it's not Igor or Grichka ?
]
;B[om]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: yes
Nono24124: I imagine they could play a perfect cosmic go
]
;W[nk]
;B[pl]
;W[ml]
;B[ok]C[Nono24124: nobody is here for trolling ?
]
;W[on]
;B[pm]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[rq]
;B[mp]
;W[lp]
;B[fl]
;W[ii]C[only3d [4d\]: i am here don't worry
]
;B[cl]C[only3d [4d\]: i just don't ask to troll this beautifull game :)
]
;W[dk]
;B[jr]
;W[jq]C[profan [-\]: is k2 sente?
only3d [4d\]: +
]
;B[nc]C[Stuttgart [?\]: who is playing? (I'm on Android) 
profan [-\]: isnt p15 or s16 interesting?
EPGC2014a [?\]: Shikshina, Shikshin (w), kalsberg, Bogdanov (b)
]
;W[nb]
;B[ob]C[Stuttgart [?\]: thanks :) 
]
;W[nd]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: profan, i think black must play more aggressive, as b is quite a bit behind
]
;B[pc]
;W[od]C[profan [-\]: i agree Patmo, perhaps aggressivity against Shikshin's could be a boomerang
]
;B[pd]
;W[pe]C[Stuttgart [?\]: profan, the only other thing would be the hope for a mistake from white, right? 
only3d [4d\]: b think about resign now maybe
Patmo234 [1d?\]: yeah b is in a very painful position
profan [-\]: according with faith, miracle is also an option :D
]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]C[Stuttgart [?\]: according to probability a meteor strike is also possible ^^
profan [-\]: that would be a draw :D
]
;B[qc]
;W[qe]C[Stuttgart [?\]: true :) 
]
;B[pb]C[just9x9 [-\]: ladder good for w?
only3d [4d\]: yes
only3d [4d\]: ladder work for w
only3d [4d\]: n16 n15 m16 l16 m15 m14 l15 k15 l14 l13 k14 j14 k13 k12 j13 g13 
]
;W[pf]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: gnarly
]
;B[rd]C[profan [-\]: they stolen 1 corner?
]
;W[qg]C[only3d [4d\]: w win
only3d [4d\]: no matter corner..
just9x9 [-\]: they were conceded one corner
]
;B[jh]
;W[md]
;B[lr]
;W[lq]
;B[kr]C[Stuttgart [?\]: is Ilya playing less aggressive in pair go? 
]
;W[rn]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: L2 was very small
Maiden [-\]: hey, Victor Bodganov is playing ^^
]
;B[qo]
;W[mr]
;B[so]
;W[dr]
;B[er]C[profan [-\]: stolen.. conceded ...  until the last degree of judgment of the High Court, in Italy it is not clear: D
]
;W[cs]C[just9x9 [-\]: i dont see b that far behind to be honest
]
;B[hm]
;W[re]
;B[rc]C[Patmo234 [1d?\]: how many points is "that far"?
Sandokan [11k\]: a good point
just9x9 [-\]: that far begins with 10-15 for me
]
;W[pi]
;B[qj]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[hp]
;B[gp]
;W[hr]
;B[gq]C[Nono24124: who played H2 ? Ilya or Svetlana ?
EPGC2014a [?\]: ilya
Nono24124: lol
only3d [4d\]: ilya is better than svetlana ...
]
;W[rh]C[only3d [4d\]: :)
just9x9 [-\]: weaker player plays kikashi, normal in pairgo :))
profan [-\]: s12 looks big to me
Patmo234 [1d?\]: is it 6,5 komi?
]
;B[gb]C[asas: w c6
only3d [4d\]: svetlana 3p with 6d strong......
]
;W[fb]C[gotoin [6k\]: h2 looks like loosing a threat
]
;B[ri]C[asas: w c6
]
;W[sd]
;B[rb]
;W[jc]C[EPGC2014a [?\]: black resigns
only3d [4d\]: :D
only3d [4d\]: normal
EPGC2014a [?\]: white wins by resignation
Seagal [2k\]: thx :)
Sandokan [11k\]: which black ?
only3d [4d\]: k17 say to black they loses
HelloQtion [-\]: thank you
breakfast [3p\]: who is on board2?
Hobbes [1k\]: whao such early resignation is uncommon in normal tournamet
asas: roln and redrosr, go!
Patmo234 [1d?\]: its really over though
just9x9 [-\]: chicken resign
Sandokan [11k\]: can the players discuss with each other about resigning?
EPGC2014a [?\]: sure
avantgarde [2d\]: breakfast: Kovaleva, Surin vs Zaloudkova, Hora
just9x9 [-\]: can they?
Patmo234 [1d?\]: yes they can
just9x9 [-\]: isnt that considered talking?
resusou: when the next round begin?
Hobbes [1k\]: maybe in pair go there is less "hormones" involved and you accept the loss more easily
Sandokan [11k\]: did not know that, thanks
just9x9 [-\]: i mean you inform the other about your assesment of the position that way
Patmo234 [1d?\]: ye well they are meant to keep it short, and only not talk about reasoning 
Patmo234 [1d?\]: just asking and the other player agreeing or disagreeing
okiol [1k\]: i'm guessing that pairgo/rengo makes for a bigger chance of one team being much stronger than the other, too
just9x9 [-\]: short a sin "resign?" "kidding?"
Patmo234 [1d?\]: yeah black really got beat up all aroung the board
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