(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[The Finnish Championship League 2012 Round 3 Board 1]PW[Antti Törmänen]PB[Javier-Aleksi Savolainen]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2012-11-17]EV[The Finnish Championship League]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[lupis]C[Gardan [?\]: eka
kaljago [2d\]: *kork*
SM2012A [-\]: kuka on kaljago?
kaljago [2d\]: rauli :)
Kisakazomo: rauri, tuu tänne nyt heti
kaljago [2d\]: tahtoo kattoo pelin :< ja sit pitää mennä saunailtaan
Kisakazomo: niijjust, tuu heti tänne kattoon peli, ja sit mennään saunaan
]
;B[qd]
;W[dc]C[kaljago [2d\]: eikös näitä pelejä ollu huomennaki :)
]
;B[dq]
;W[co]C[kaljago [2d\]: nyahas, sopuisasti ja kiltisti alkaa
Gorim [2k\]: go Antti!:P
]
;B[de]
;W[qp]C[Pade [2d?\]: hei kertokaas ketä pelaa missäkin matsissa. kun on tää android
TonyTiger [-\]: lol
TonyTiger [-\]: osta lumia
Koukkaaja [3d\]: täs o antti valkonen ja assu musta
Pade [2d?\]: saako lumiaan keksin?
TonyTiger [-\]: ei varmasti :P
jlaire [1k\]: onks kazomossa paljon porukkaa?
Kisakazomo: vasta 4, tilaa on vielä
]
;B[ck]C[jlaire [1k\]: tänään jäi väliin kun nukuin vähän pitkään
jlaire [1k\]: ehkä huomenna
]
;W[op]C[kaljago [2d\]: toisaalta tuon siirron nähtyään tietää androidillakin kertomati et kuka on valkonen
FreshTooth [2d\]: e4 is classic
]
;B[ep]C[FreshTooth [2d\]: :P
FreshTooth [2d\]: f16 ? p16? r10?
]
;W[fd]C[FreshTooth [2d\]: c17 c18 c16 e18 f14 
]
;B[oc]C[FreshTooth [2d\]: r10 
FreshTooth [2d\]: or r11
FreshTooth [2d\]: i would r10
Juippi [2d\]: seems that there's kind of a transformation going on with the recording of this game
FreshTooth [2d\]: maybe c15 is possible too
Juippi [2d\]: so essentially you're seeing this as it would look from under the table
SM2012A [-\]: I'm being told off by the other scribes for scribing this mirrored :)
]
;W[qj]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: ?
]
;B[jq]C[jlaire [1k\]: onks arto kirjaamassa pöydän alla vai kuka
FreshTooth [2d\]: c15/ r13?
SM2012A [-\]: but it's not my fault that the first move was in the upper _left_ corner
kaljago [2d\]: :D
Nino [2k\]: I don't like c15. It makes black's framework perfect
Nyanjilla [-\]: it is the convention to play first in the upper right corner
Nyanjilla [-\]: ...so in fact, you could be said to be doing the scibing correctly
Juippi [2d\]: but now everything in this game will be a lie :(
jlaire [1k\]: I'm looking at my screen through a mirror to compensate
Nyanjilla [-\]: not a lie.... just.. um... a different interpretation
]
;W[bq]
;B[dn]
;W[cn]
;B[dm]
;W[cm]
;B[dl]
;W[cr]
;B[ff]C[DownByLaw [3k\]: hello folk, some players for a rengo in rengo room?
Nyanjilla [-\]: DownByLaw---ask in the Rengo room, not here
]
;W[lq]
;B[hd]
;W[cd]
;B[ce]
;W[fc]
(;B[lo])
(;B[ko]C[SM2012A [-\]: Well Assu got his usual moyo now
]
;W[kl]C[mw42 [1d\]: downbylaw, good movie
mw42 [1d\]: l8 funky
mw42 [1d\]: i'd think about this move then dismiss it in my game
kaljago [2d\]: I'd go further in, this does not get white in enough trouble
]
;B[mo]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: i wonder whether antti feels optimistic
Nino [2k\]: m4 and than tenuki?
]
;W[jn]C[Nino [2k\]: wow
Muttley [2k\]: M3 stone is pretty light at the mo
Muttley [2k\]: not where the action is
Kour [1k?\]: who are playing? cannot see on the phone...
Muttley [2k\]: Antti Tormanen 6d white
Muttley [2k\]: Javier-Aleksi Savolainen 5d black
Kour [1k?\]: thank you
Muttley [2k\]: yw
Muttley [2k\]: does b have a good move here?
]
;B[mm]C[coarray [-\]: which country?
]
;W[kn]C[jlaire [1k\]: Finland
]
;B[oo]
;W[np]C[uptone [1k\]: Who is the KGS manager
uptone [1k\]: I need help
uptone [1k\]: I need your help
uptone [1k\]: Help
uptone [1k\]: someone cheats me
uptone [1k\]: look at my game
]
;B[qo]C[SM2012B [-\]: ok
]
;W[pp]
;B[mk]
;W[kj]
;B[qh]
;W[pm]
;B[li]
;W[ki]
;B[lh]
;W[jg]
;B[kf]
;W[ph]C[SandyStorm [2k\]: i think javier aleksi savolainen is the most 'funny' mixed name
Muttley [2k\]: "Javier" is a well known Finnish name, coming from the small Finnish city of Barcelona
uptone [1k\]: it is too slow  haha 
Muttley [2k\]: Finnish Ch game with a Lonnnnnng time limit, uptone
Muttley [2k\]: not your usual KGS fare
SandyStorm [2k\]: they have polar night right now
uptone [1k\]: ah ,i see ,and how long time dose the player have
SandyStorm [2k\]: and game stop when is morning
SM2012A [-\]: on that note white still has 65 minutes left to blacks 58
Muttley [2k\]: is it 90 minutes each then 1*1 byo yomi, SM?
SM2012A [-\]: after that the byo-yomi is 1x60s
SM2012A [-\]: Muttley: exactly
]
;B[pi]
;W[qi]
;B[oh]C[Muttley [2k\]: thanks, there you go, uptone, in for the long haul :)
]
;W[pg]
;B[qg]C[Muttley [2k\]: hard to know what is antti's mind here
Muttley [2k\]: seems to consolidate the top for black, when the bottom part already white?
]
;W[qf]
;B[pf]C[uptone [1k\]: white may get an eye and then dead
M15 [1k\]: is the scribe really mirroring the game? might get hard when there's a flash ko fight :)
uptone [1k\]: p13 must be played, although die
]
;W[og]C[uptone [1k\]: s14
]
;B[rf]C[SM2012A [-\]: not really you sit on the side anyhow so it would be rotated anyhow. once you have the shape in your head it's not hard to keep track of it.
uptone [1k\]: i smell some tesuji here
]
;W[oi]
;B[pj]C[uptone [1k\]: the stone at r5 is very useful
]
;W[oj]
;B[pk]
;W[ok]C[Avari [2k?\]: b will collapse
uptone [1k\]: if white sente connect ,then b bad
uptone [1k\]: if white gota connect then it isok for black and black can O12
SandyStorm [2k\]:  
NPjk [?\]: r9 ba
]
;B[rk]C[uptone [1k\]: o9 sente ,omg
uptone [1k\]: O8 sente omg
uptone [1k\]: give up to attack the 3 stones
]
;W[nh]
;B[qk]
;W[ol]C[uptone [1k\]: P6 cant stop connecting
]
;B[ln]C[uptone [1k\]: p6, r6 q6, s7
]
;W[jo]C[uptone [1k\]: black hard N10 can cut 
]
;B[kp]
;W[po]
;B[ip]
;W[gi]
;B[ii]C[uptone [1k\]: a little late for J11
uptone [1k\]: G11 a little far
]
;W[hg]
;B[hh]C[imajin: who is ahead?
josek [3k\]: deppends on this attack
uptone [1k\]: I dont think h12 is a good point
]
;W[gh]C[uptone [1k\]: G12, G13, J12, H11 G10, J9, J10,H10, H9
gobugobu [6d\]: I just had a look at the entire game and was shocked by B r8 - I would never find that move. Yet is is so effective in this situation.
Gardan [?\]: you mena r9 ?
uptone [1k\]: r8 is empty
gobugobu [6d\]: right now, B cannot cut at g13 
Marek [4d\]: but can start ko
]
;B[jh]C[Marek [4d\]: :\]
]
;W[kh]
;B[ig]
;W[if]C[gooooo [4k?\]: Who are playing? 
uptone [1k\]: it is very hard for black
gobugobu [6d\]: looks like a bad ko for B
uptone [1k\]: now decide if K14 or L13
uptone [1k\]: if K14
Marek [4d\]: harder for white if loose ko 
]
(;B[jf]C[Gardan [?\]: options -> rules
Marek [4d\]: It's black moyo
uptone [1k\]: then white can play L13 then white has a back door
]
;W[ih]C[gooooo [4k?\]: doesnt work on Android 
]
;B[bp]
;W[cp]C[uptone [1k\]: no the ko is more heavy for black
])
(;B[hf]
;W[ih]
;B[bp]
;W[cp]
;B[ig]
;W[gg]C[Marek [4d\]: ko is huge.
josek [3k\]: w no threats
SM2012A [-\]: white is Antti Törmänen 6d and black Javier-Aleksi Savolainen 5d
gooooo [4k?\]: who are playing? 
uptone [1k\]: S13 not a ko threat??
Marek [4d\]: i think Ko bigger
gooooo [4k?\]: ahh thanks 
uptone [1k\]: white has N10
]
;B[jf]
;W[ih]
;B[cq]C[Marek [4d\]: b don't risk much in Ko
Gardan [?\]: s13 is about 40p .. but no followups 
Marek [4d\]: 40p in 2 moves.
Marek [4d\]: big - but ko bigger.
liusasori [3d\]: if w take s13 he'll be gote and center will then turn to catastrophy for him
MKPPrime [?\]: w in trouble
MKPPrime [?\]: I hope b can pull it off
Gardan [?\]: hmm . w can save G13 stones just pushing .. but other side of middle group has no easy way so hard to compensate that big loss
Marek [4d\]: b don't risk now in ko - and this is W problem... :)
]
;W[br]
;B[ig]C[Marek [4d\]: loosing corner would be too big...
josek [3k\]: ignore anything
Nino [2k\]: m4?
liusasori [3d\]: if b l13 in sente is around 70 points for him
Marek [4d\]: any - take ko.
uptone [1k\]: how to take
uptone [1k\]: L13 or J15
]
;W[ij]C[liusasori [3d\]: l13
Gardan [?\]: yeah .. white couldn't fight
uptone [1k\]: L14 gives back dorr at G14
liusasori [3d\]: does w just kill the ko ?
Marek [4d\]: yes.
Marek [4d\]: but not in sente :)
]
;B[kg]C[liusasori [3d\]: h10 g14 then a move to live
Gardan [?\]: but then .. white didn't really lose much here
uptone [1k\]: G9
]
;W[ci]C[liusasori [3d\]: Oo
uptone [1k\]: white is angry i think ^^
uptone [1k\]: but H10 bad aji
Marek [4d\]: w lost power. and need to make big reduce.
liusasori [3d\]: and he is aiming at g14
uptone [1k\]: yes
Gardan [?\]: g14 threats big cut so b has to be carefull so white can be bold
]
;B[gf]C[Marek [4d\]: good B plan.
josek [3k\]: h10 looks painfull
uptone [1k\]: now C11 .... i dont know how to deal with C11
uptone [1k\]: jump or play others
MKPPrime [?\]: w needs to defend
uptone [1k\]: sure
MKPPrime [?\]: B is in a comfortable position I guess
josek [3k\]: f9
]
;W[fn]C[MKPPrime [?\]: feels too much 
uptone [1k\]: E11 attack back
MKPPrime [?\]: now b needs to strike
Gardan [?\]: h10 is not that hard for w
MKPPrime [?\]: ? 
MKPPrime [?\]: sur
MKPPrime [?\]: e
]
;B[ei]C[MKPPrime [?\]: w is still very weak
MKPPrime [?\]: with the whole group
pegen [1k\]: e11 good call
uptone [1k\]: yes, i am right ^^
JAskari [2k\]: pääseekö matseja seuraamaan livenä?
uptone [1k\]: E11 put the point to attack ,and C9 can be cuted
MKPPrime [?\]: i think b winning right now , but ofcourse still very complicated
Pempu [2d\]: Matsit on livenä Koivukylässä
uptone [1k\]: d10 f9??
MKPPrime [?\]: d10 e10
Pempu [2d\]: Tää on aika pieni tila, mielummin kisakatsomoon -namii
MKPPrime [?\]: w is very weak in the center
]
;W[dg]C[Pempu [2d\]: siellä saa ilmasta kaljaa -namii
JAskari [2k\]: onko jossain kisakatsomoo?
uptone [1k\]: they aim each other ,and 2 snipers ,we can see who kills whom
jlaire [1k\]: bassin luona, kato suomigo-wikistä YliGo Tiedottaa
SM2012A [-\]: bassilla simonkylässä
Pempu [2d\]: http://www.suomigo.net/Diff.jsp?page=Satunnaisia%20peli-iltoja%20satunnaisissa%20paikoissa&r1=-1
SM2012A [-\]: vesa tästä lähti juuri sinnepäin liikkumaan
]
;B[gl]C[uptone [1k\]: e13 e14
uptone [1k\]: and pleas high dan calculate it ,i think the result is good for white
MKPPrime [?\]: watch mid group by white
Pempu [2d\]: b+ 83,5
Gardan [?\]: that middle is somewhat uncalculable
]
;W[hi]
;B[ih]C[Marek [4d\]: calculating now.. yes. Gardan already wrote that.
Marek [4d\]: h6 big :)
josek [3k\]: se doesnt think so
]
;W[fj]C[Marek [4d\]: W finding very nice moves...
MKPPrime [?\]: e13 maybe ?
Gardan [?\]: creating aji and prospectes .. making estimations real hard
Gibbon: w seems in a weird spot
MKPPrime [?\]: b also
uptone [1k\]: e13 e14
uptone [1k\]: very complex
MKPPrime [?\]: then b happy
Gardan [?\]: both have been traing long periods in Asia .. 
MKPPrime [?\]: bec cut in sente of g12
MKPPrime [?\]: then attack mid
Marek [4d\]: Think b should make strong groups and reduce aji.
uptone [1k\]: in china?? i am from china haha
Gardan [?\]: Javier was in Korea and Antti in Japan
uptone [1k\]: .......
uptone [1k\]: i am crying
MKPPrime [?\]: w also in China
MKPPrime [?\]: a lot I think 
Gardan [?\]: so they are strong to find good moves
MKPPrime [?\]: not only Japan
Gardan [?\]: true
Gibbon: Hey you "Prime" is already included in "MKP"
MKPPrime [?\]: I know
MKPPrime [?\]: but couldnt take MKPrime
]
;B[dh]C[Gibbon: ahah
MKPPrime [?\]: hm
MKPPrime [?\]: strange
Marek [4d\]: it's a peep...
pekka34: Antti handlaa tän viel
Gibbon: e13?
Marek [4d\]: b maybe want to connect stones.
]
;W[fl]C[josek [3k\]: left should be enough for b
Marek [4d\]: and take e13  is nice move.
MKPPrime [?\]: very efficient if w makes territory around g8 with a weak group
MKPPrime [?\]: but maybe still enough for b 
]
;B[gn]C[uptone [1k\]: give up the 3 stones at K6 ,and kill the 3 black stones
]
;W[gm]C[uptone [1k\]: G7,H7,F7,
]
;B[hm]
;W[fm]C[uptone [1k\]: H8,H6,
uptone [1k\]: H6,G5
uptone [1k\]: K7,J8
]
;B[hn]
;W[hl]C[uptone [1k\]: he choses this way
josek [3k\]: e13
uptone [1k\]: E13 big but
]
;B[ch]C[uptone [1k\]: B9  you will have a headache
Gibbon: I would want to play f4 as w. 
uptone [1k\]: c12 better i think
uptone [1k\]: now if b9 then B8
MKPPrime [?\]: very nice for b 
NPjk [?\]: k17
uptone [1k\]: if black can play H18
]
;W[gp]C[Gibbon: ahah w wanted like me ^^
uptone [1k\]: actually G4 not bit
uptone [1k\]: big
uptone [1k\]: because D2 not a black stone
]
;B[gq]C[Ukasuhs [3d\]: but n7 string isnt alive if its cut off
uptone [1k\]: f3
Marek [4d\]: all b need is to alive and take big points in sente :) for example r6
martin3141 [-\]: my feeling says r6 is not and will not be sente
Marek [4d\]: why ?
Gibbon: w needs to go in m17 area I feel
martin3141 [-\]: i think w can settle that group, for instance with n10
Marek [4d\]: and create a ko - would be come back :)
]
;W[hb]C[martin3141 [-\]: what ko
Marek [4d\]: w start yose :\]
Gibbon: w is behind by how much? 15 points? less?
Marek [4d\]: this looks now good for white 
MKPPrime [?\]: dont agree
MKPPrime [?\]: w about the same solid points
MKPPrime [?\]: as b 
sedgwick [2d?\]: w comfortable lead
MKPPrime [?\]: but potential for b 
josek [3k\]: my bet is w gets all yose and still loses
Marek [4d\]: w better in yose to reduce.
MKPPrime [?\]: yes agree
MKPPrime [?\]: but whole are at the top
Gardan [?\]: b has lot of bad aji around .. 
MKPPrime [?\]: has still potential for b
MKPPrime [?\]: were ?
MKPPrime [?\]: maybe a liitel at g3 
MKPPrime [?\]: little
Gardan [?\]: those random white stones .. 
Marek [4d\]: f3 for example... is big aji
Gardan [?\]: top is easily wasted by w
martin3141 [-\]: w has c10
]
;B[il]
;W[hk]C[Ukasuhs [3d\]: c10 d9 danger
MKPPrime [?\]: c10 aha....
MKPPrime [?\]: not really 
]
;B[im]C[josek [3k\]: is this sente?
Marek [4d\]: yes
megasween [7k\]: Does anyone know what is this threatning?
martin3141 [-\]: maybe c10 is not good, but it works :P
Gorim [2k\]: k9 follow-up
MKPPrime [?\]: doesnt work
uptone [1k\]: k9
Marek [4d\]: j9 bigger
megasween [7k\]: oh got it ... 
megasween [7k\]: ty
martin3141 [-\]: how do you answer c10?
Ukasuhs [3d\]: d9
MKPPrime [?\]: w can d9 or even peep before e9 
]
;W[jl]C[martin3141 [-\]: c10 d9 b9
Ukasuhs [3d\]: you dont get 2 eyes
josek [3k\]: j9?
uptone [1k\]: k4 hard to answer
Marek [4d\]: i see one eye for w in center... but b have a lot aji.
]
;B[fo]C[Marek [4d\]: - reduce aji.
klauperi [2k\]: w gets k11 for free
Marek [4d\]: yes.
Marek [4d\]: b got free moves to secure points.
josek [3k\]: b would love w to play k11
]
;W[ik]C[martin3141 [-\]: i still think c10 works (e9 is not sente anymore)
Oloril [-\]: who are the players?
]
;B[lc]C[Pempu [3d\]: white is Antti Törmänen 6dan and black is Javier-Aleksi Savolainen 5dan
Oloril [-\]: thank you
Gibbon: Antti Tormanen is Tien right?
jlaire [1k\]: right
Lacrimosa [?\]: that's right
Muttley [2k\]: yes
Gibbon: I like Tien
Sheriffi [-\]: who doesn't?
Gibbon: black :P
]
;W[jc]C[Marek [4d\]: m17 doesnt look active...
Gibbon: What do you mean marek?
MKPPrime [?\]: i guess now c10 works
MKPPrime [?\]: you right
]
;B[kc]C[Ritm [4k\]: it does not kill anything so its not use
ogolony [-\]: b12 ?
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: it only makes points, no other meaning to it
chimbba [2d?\]: looks pretty close, eh
Marek [4d\]: r6 still waiting for b
Nino [2k\]: r6 is blacks privileg anyway
]
;W[jd]
;B[ie]C[Marek [4d\]: w s7
Marek [4d\]: or o15
MKPPrime [?\]: j18 aji 
martin3141 [-\]:  w o16 
]
;W[jb]
;B[qn]C[Marek [4d\]: lot of points.
pegen [1k\]: to me, b is slightly ahead, what do you think?
]
;W[qm]
;B[rm]C[Gibbon: It seems to me like b is 10 points ahead
]
;W[rp]C[Sheriffi [-\]: w can't catch up?
uptone [1k\]: n2
Gibbon: I don't know, I'm not even strong enough to count the game properly
josek [3k\]: s4 is sente against the two stones
]
;B[be]C[OWNAGE [3d\]: p14 is huge for b
Naphthalin [2d?\]: got b+12 here
]
;W[bd]C[josek [3k\]: p14
Naphthalin [2d?\]: SE thinks b way more ahead though
Gibbon: d2 is big also right?
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: l2 bigger
]
;B[ad]
;W[ac]
;B[ae]C[pegen [1k\]: l18 looks big to me
OWNAGE [3d\]: p14 for w
hoiko12 [1k\]: does m2 work?
chimbba [2d?\]: l2 looks good
uptone [1k\]: I prefer n2
Ukasuhs [3d\]: m2 l2 n3 n2 
goren2 [3k\]: n2 doesn't work
chimbba [2d?\]: n2 m2 n3 n4 and what?
]
;W[bk]C[uptone [1k\]: n2,m2,n3,n4,m4,o2,L2,o3,L3
hoiko12 [1k\]: i was thinkg m2 l2 n2 l3 n3
Ukasuhs [3d\]: uptone, just do l2 instead
]
;B[bj]
;W[bl]C[uptone [1k\]: how do you answer N3
martin3141 [-\]: m2 l2 n2 l3 n3 n4 m4 k4 
]
;B[cj]C[hoiko12 [1k\]: ahh, totally forgot about k4
]
;W[bc]
;B[of]
;W[nf]
;B[ne]C[martin3141 [-\]: gut still works, or not?
pegen [1k\]: n15 kikashi
martin3141 [-\]: *but
martin3141 [-\]: maybe m2 l2 n2 l3 n3 k4 n4 j3 
martin3141 [-\]: no ...
pegen [1k\]: w can just l2 before b gets a chance though
hoiko12 [1k\]: i think
hoiko12 [1k\]: that it still works
]
;W[er]C[martin3141 [-\]: yes m2 works nicely
hoiko12 [1k\]: YEAH!
josek [3k\]: n14
martin3141 [-\]: maybe w should playm4
VarangianW [1k\]: if b m2 w just n2
uptone [1k\]: i think they have no time
uptone [1k\]: but it is too slow.....
Marek [4d\]: f3 is ok.
hoiko12 [1k\]: maybe he would just m2 n2 l2 and then white still needs a move against the possiblilty of n3
]
;B[fq]C[hoiko12 [1k\]: so i believe it is sente
VarangianW [1k\]: yes it is
pegen [1k\]: w will l2
hoiko12 [1k\]: maybe 
Marek [4d\]: l2 big for both and ... n14 also
goren2 [3k\]: n19 now
martin3141 [-\]: e14 is also big for white
]
;W[mf]
;B[kb]C[Marek [4d\]: n16 is nice
Marek [4d\]: but l2.. big
]
;W[md]C[martin3141 [-\]: good timing for m2
]
;B[mc]
;W[nd]
;B[od]C[T4L0N [2k\]: l2
]
;W[rl]
;B[ql]
;W[rn]
;B[sl]
;W[ro]
;B[kr]
;W[lr]C[SM2012A [-\]: white goes into byo-yomi
josek [3k\]: p6
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;B[kq]C[goren2 [3k\]: can w h1?
martin3141 [-\]: any reason to play s5 instead of t6?
SM2012c [-\]: seems like overplay
SM2012c [-\]: h1 I mean
Marek [4d\]: why overplay ?
goren2 [3k\]: just afraid of b n2
Marek [4d\]: looks like monkey jump :) so overplay ? :)
MKPPrime [?\]: b n2 is bad
SM2012c [-\]: yea exactly
edenchen [1k\]: what the
martin3141 [-\]: h1 is not good
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;W[ef]
;B[eg]
;W[fg]
;B[eh]
;W[ee]C[SM2012c [-\]: h1 kyu-level move
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;B[df]C[FreshTooth [2d\]: b+?
martin3141 [-\]: h1 d2 d1 c1 
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;W[nc]
;B[nb]C[Pempu [3d\]: b4 stone is always lacking 1 liberty so H1 should work?
SM2012c [-\]: it works but its not good
SM2012c [-\]: theres a difference
Marek [4d\]: Yes H1 works - but they all telling us that is that h1 is kyu move..
Marek [4d\]: they are*
Pempu [3d\]: well d2 might be more points 
Pempu [3d\]: Im bad at endgame
martin3141 [-\]: i didnt say kyu-move, but i dont like it
Marek [4d\]: problem is  - reducing poins or making points :)
Pempu [3d\]: ok h1 is locally the best move
SM2012c [-\]: a pro player would never play h1 bacause it sucks
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: a10 looks like sente
Marek [4d\]: well are you a pro ?
pegen [1k\]: I don't say you're wrong, but can you explain why h1 is bad?
martin3141 [-\]: as w i want to play d2, that way there are more severe follow-ups
edenchen [1k\]: h1 is nothing
Hufsa [2d\]: l1 should be quite big :O
FreshTooth [2d\]: SE says b+250
M15 [2k\]: yes, SE knows best
Pempu [3d\]: o5 looks nice
SM2012c [-\]: yea Im pro. My name is Cho Chikun
pegen [1k\]: no "h1 is nothing" .. is nothing
pegen [1k\]: explain your opinions
quanga [2k?\]: w m13
mw42 [1d\]: pros have nothing better to do than scribe ama game in finland (no offense finland)
Pempu [3d\]: white was in byoyomi?
SM2012c [-\]: nontaken
keitarokun [-\]: black +10
keitarokun [-\]: or so
keitarokun [-\]: i think
M15 [2k\]: maybe white already lost on time
SM2012A [-\]: both now in byo-yomi
edenchen [1k\]: .....................................
mw42 [1d\]: wow, white behind?
edenchen [1k\]: w lost
Pempu [3d\]: o5 or h1
martin3141 [-\]: w lost sente?
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;W[ob]C[edenchen [1k\]: by time
edenchen [1k\]: not really
SM2012c [-\]: pempu h1 is shit
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;B[pb]C[edenchen [1k\]: ...
Naphthalin [2d?\]: don't you know nicer words for that?
SM2012c [-\]: ok
edenchen [1k\]: I know right
SM2012A [-\]: Arto stop trolling or at least use your own account
SM2012c [-\]: crap?
Naphthalin [2d?\]: way better
mw42 [1d\]: i like shit
Kivaa [3k\]: how many biers has the scribe drunk?
mw42 [1d\]: to describe h1
SM2012c [-\]: 10 maybe?
Kisakazomo: arto nyt sekvenssiä kehiin!
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;W[eq]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: *ahem*   it would be awkward if I booted a scribe for bad language....
Kisakazomo: tai sit ulos ovesta
Kisakazomo: ja tänne!
Janisan [1k\]: ketä kaikkii kazomossa?
]
;B[dp]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: yeah, e3
Pempu [3d\]: Arton kannatais kyl lähtee kissakatsomoon 
Naphthalin [2d?\]: n19 now?
SM2012c [-\]: ok im sorry everyone. I just wanted to create some kind of discussion. Is that so bad?
Sheriffi [-\]: arton pitäs pelaa juubangoa
Naphthalin [2d?\]: well
M15 [2k\]: yes, Arto please watch your language so we can get tomorrow's games from SM2012c still
mw42 [1d\]: you have to allow bad language sometimes. it makes kgs look risque
Kisakazomo: Arto, turpa kii ja tänne NYT!
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;W[dr]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: if the discussion is about your choice of words, it is bad
Naphthalin [2d?\]: now w can play h1
Naphthalin [2d?\]: after b doesn't have d2 anymore
Janisan [1k\]: KETÄ KAIKKII KAZOMOSSA
SM2012c [-\]: forgive me please
Sheriffi [-\]: arto millon juubangoa
SM2012c [-\]: I am a bit ashamed
SM2012A [-\]: you could always also come sit here and watch Lucky Star with me ;)
M15 [2k\]: SM2012A: how much time for Assu?
Janisan [1k\]: arto has to now move to lapland and live in selibacy for rest of his life!
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;B[fp]C[SM2012c [-\]: I accept the punishment..
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;W[ls]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: guys
keitarokun [-\]: black p6
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;B[le]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: you know wintersun?
mw42 [1d\]: sm2012c, i'll only forgive you if you spend your free time scribing games on kgs so us poor users around the world who cannot enjoy the games live can enjoy them at home. o wait, you already are
]
;W[me]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: as a punishment you have to listen to the whole album :P
martin3141 [-\]: now this was nice for white ... imagine white had played h1 instead :P
Naphthalin [2d?\]: and enjoy it
mw42 [1d\]: cut him some slack, people
SM2012c [-\]: dont hate me guys please"
Naphthalin [2d?\]: lol
Naphthalin [2d?\]: cool down
chimbba [2d?\]: we'll forgive you
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;B[ed]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: do you know wintersun?
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;W[fe]
;B[dd]
;W[ec]
;B[hc]
;W[ib]C[SM2012c [-\]: Sorry but no
Naphthalin [2d?\]: very cool finnish band :)
SM2012c [-\]: heavy metal?
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;AE[ro]AW[pn]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: not heavy
Naphthalin [2d?\]: melodic
SM2012c [-\]: ok
daniug [2d\]: :)
SM2012c [-\]: but eniwei maybe we should concentrate on the game
Naphthalin [2d?\]: but now let's focus on the game again :)
Hufsa [2d\]: Finntroll !
Naphthalin [2d?\]: same idea here^^
Gardan [?\]: what is last move ?
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: j18
SteveDC [4k\]: j18
Naphthalin [2d?\]: w passed
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;B[fr]C[keitarokun [-\]: s5 moved
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;W[oe]C[keitarokun [-\]: to q6
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;B[pe]C[keitarokun [-\]: a mistake i guess
Naphthalin [2d?\]: still b+111
pegen [1k\]: talked too much to the scribe 
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;W[ge]
;B[he]
;W[aj]
;B[ai]
;W[ak]
;B[bi]
;W[ks]
;B[js]
;W[io]
;B[ho]
;W[lp]C[M15 [2k\]: I'm still rooting for white
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;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[lo]
;W[mb]
;B[oa]
;W[ka]C[kex [4k\]: b+56.  White is catching up fast
M15 [2k\]: probably in vain though, it's hard to win this even with superb yose
kex [4k\]: :)
SM2012c [-\]: It would be a big surprise if B won I think
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;B[la]
;W[ja]
;B[je]C[mw42 [1d\]: antti's endgame should be superior
SM2012c [-\]: Havent counted the score so  have no idea whats going on. SE is on drugs as always
keitarokun [-\]: yeah white wins
]
;W[lf]
;B[ld]C[mw42 [1d\]: same, i've been logging my run miles for this week
]
;AW[fk]AB[ek]
;W[sn]
;B[sm]
;W[ej]
;B[cl]
;W[bm]C[Hufsa [2d\]: think white will win by komi
]
;B[dj]C[edenchen [1k\]: ...
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: very nice endgame from white anyway
]
;W[kd]
;B[ke]C[goren2 [3k\]: w + 3
TyTaLuS [9k\]: b end game terrible
mw42 [1d\]: why did antti leave japan? 
Marek [4d\]: yes - komi game.
Gorim [2k\]: cash + studies
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: not really, just missed m2 at bottom I think
Marek [4d\]: w won.
mw42 [1d\]: thanks, gorim
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;W[no]C[SM2012A [-\]: sorry for the changes I missed a move and it took a while to find it without losing track of what's being played after it..
mw42 [1d\]: too bad he couldn't make it to pro. will he try again?
Hufsa [2d\]: i counted 2.5 half win for white. with komi. but my counting is not so strong ^^ 
Gorim [2k\]: still it is probable that white will go back to japan
Marek [4d\]: this was small
mw42 [1d\]: thanks again
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;B[nm]C[mw42 [1d\]: nothing big left marek
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;W[lj]
;B[mj]
;W[on]C[edenchen [1k\]: .
]
;B[ll]
;W[gc]
;B[mh]
;W[ni]
;B[nl]
;W[fs]
;B[gs]
;W[es]C[F525 [2k\]: I counted B ahead before I took a break, now I'm back and W is winning by 3.5? Did I miscount earlier or did W just have much better yose?
edo2 [4k\]: o6
]
;B[nn]C[josek [3k\]: both
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: w had better yose
]
;W[el]C[Marek [4d\]: no. b had worse.
F525 [2k\]: So B was ahead?
FreshTooth [2d\]: lol
FreshTooth [2d\]: w actually won this
]
;B[do]C[Marek [4d\]: B was ahead.
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;W[fi]C[Hufsa [2d\]: abit strange. thougth black shape was strange kinda expected him to lose much in yose anway
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;B[en]C[goren2 [3k\]: w should l10
goren2 [3k\]: k10 rather
Gibbon: k10?
]
;W[jp]C[F525 [2k\]: That would be an illegal move and B would win by W forfeit, so nope.
]
;B[iq]
;W[kk]
;B[ji]
;W[jj]
;B[ne]
;W[dk]C[edo2 [4k\]: w more threats ?
Gardan [?\]: 2 ko's
Vador [-\]: Pair number ok kos
Gibbon: no more points
M15 [2k\]: they have to be careful so it won't be triple ko!
Marek [4d\]: Well congrat to players. :) 
SM2012A [-\]: yep from here on out it was just filling dames
Gardan [?\]: even SE can do it now :)
Gibbon: congratz to Tien!
Gibbon: it was an hard won come back victory
Gibbon: and thx SM2012A
M15 [2k\]: white should cut at M13
SM2012A [-\]: Next game tomorrow morning
Kisakazomo: ja tulos oli??
M15 [2k\]: W+T ;)
SM2012A [-\]: w+3.5
dxxd [2k\]: mustan alku vaikutti ihan mielenkiintoiselta
Gardan [?\]: kiitoksia ja huomiseen!
M15 [2k\]: koko mustan peli, loppua vaille
Meatbun [4d\]: white win?
])))
