(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship League 2012 Round 1 Board 2]PW[Antti Törmänen ]PB[Olli Hella]WR[6d]BR[3d]DT[2012-11-16]EV[Finnish Championship League]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Darchik]
;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[cp]
;B[ep]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]C[mw42 [1d\]: is antii the favorite to win?
mw42 [1d\]: antti*
shakti [-\]: yes.....
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: as usual :p
gooooo [4k?\]: go antti :)
mw42 [1d\]: i don't think i've ever actually seen him play
mw42 [1d\]: p2 r9 is considered better for white, i think
mw42 [1d\]: or r10, whichever
Arhiman [3d\]: r10 seems a bit far
Arhiman [3d\]: this joseki is less and less played actually
mw42 [1d\]: that's what i mean
alphanum [8k\]: it's ok
morbidus [1d\]: i like it
Arhiman [3d\]: but as long as the next stone on the left is black's, I don't think that's basically bad
alphanum [8k\]: good
]
;B[or]C[mw42 [1d\]: well, end of story. 8k allows it
]
;W[qk]C[Arhiman [3d\]: d6 ?
]
;B[dn]C[Arhiman [3d\]: e3
mw42 [1d\]: lottery numbers, please, arhiman
Arhiman [3d\]: never played this
morbidus [1d\]: someone malicious could say: end of story, 1d does not allow it?
mw42 [1d\]: morbidus, someone could say anything they want. most would choose not to say anything because most would realize i was just making a little joke
]
;W[de]C[morbidus [1d\]: me too
duffer [7k\]: double joke fail
Arhiman [3d\]: there's no little joke
mw42 [1d\]: antti hates c4
Arhiman [3d\]: but maybe there are little jocks
huy [5k\]: what's happend if black in c3?
LeBron [1d?\]: mmm don't like d15
herissondu [-\]: OO17 will be tough
Arhiman [3d\]: b5 ?
duffer [7k\]: I think Anti likes the aji of c4
]
;B[jd]C[mw42 [1d\]: it's hard to completely capture c4 in one more move
Arhiman [3d\]: wow don't like k16...
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: you cant.
Arhiman [3d\]: why not k17 ?
]
;W[qf]C[mw42 [1d\]: you can. depends on how your opponent plays
kaljago [2d\]: the same way you can win a 9 stone handicap with white, depending on how your opponent plays? :)
Arhiman [3d\]: b next move wont look good I think
mw42 [1d\]: yes, exactly, kaljago
]
;B[on]C[LeBron [1d?\]: r11
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: all eggs in one basket
]
;W[qm]C[mw42 [1d\]: i don't think so
duffer [7k\]: at least it's a big basket
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: it's the only basket ^^
klausP [4d?\]: suprising low opening by w
kaljago [2d\]: expected q7 instead but I kind of like the actual move better :P
LeBron [1d?\]: q14?
kaljago [2d\]: now the invadable r10-r13 region is boring
Arhiman [3d\]: this is the proper move I think, gives less sente moves and less aji for almost the same result in points
TyTaLuS [9k\]: what championship is this??
lamalama: options > rules
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: Finnish
]
;B[pl]C[mw42 [1d\]: finnish championship
Arhiman [3d\]: weird
TyTaLuS [9k\]: ty
Nyanjilla [-\]: it's written at the top of this window.....
mw42 [1d\]: b is not being too subtle
duffer [7k\]: making a thin wall?
PowaPig [2d\]: also normal
TyTaLuS [9k\]: yea i confused finnish with finish xD
mw42 [1d\]: nyanjilla, android users can't see that bar
Nyanjilla [-\]: uh-huh
Nyanjilla [-\]: really, mw?
]
;W[ql]C[mw42 [1d\]: i believe so
mw42 [1d\]: i don't have the android client, but it's what i've heard
Nyanjilla [-\]: ....and there was I nagging the scribes into filling it in properly....    >_<
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I'm not fond of Black's opening :o
mw42 [1d\]: don't feel bad. all the other users appreciate it :-)
duffer [7k\]: only one person viewing from mobile ^^
iceweasel [-\]: now b o8 wld be honte?
Arhiman [3d\]: this is definitely not good
mw42 [1d\]: duffer, yeah, not many baduk fans in alabama
iceweasel [-\]: but too slow?
kaljago [2d\]: weird.. I *like* to grab territory every opportunity I can, and I think black is doing pretty fine here :)
duffer [7k\]: :p
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: nor georgia
Nyanjilla [-\]: mw42---the bad-joke corner is over there --->
mw42 [1d\]: D-:
klausP [4d?\]: Antti used to play for center a lot
kaljago [2d\]: q14 maybe?
iceweasel [-\]: o17
kaljago [2d\]: if this were a bar game I'd just play something really crazy like c13, but it isn't.. :)
Arhiman [3d\]: q14 then crosscut ?
mw42 [1d\]: tengen obviously
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: q6
kaljago [2d\]: b has effectively not responded to r14 approach and w is strong on the side, so playing there would be natural
]
;B[pf]C[mw42 [1d\]: i have a feeling black is trying to play an influence/moyo strategy, idk
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: "i ahve a feeling, lol"
kaljago [2d\]: lower side, yes
Arhiman [3d\]: no singing please
kaljago [2d\]: but black needs to get stones elsewhere too
]
;W[pg]C[kaljago [2d\]: r15?
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p14
LeBron [1d?\]: r13
Arhiman [3d\]: r13
mw42 [1d\]: p13 obviously
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: attatch and extend
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: r13 s15 
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: w can resist with s13 instead of r12 
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: not rly too good looking for b then
kaljago [2d\]: hmh, what happens from r13? I don't think I've seen that joseki
myongstu [4d\]: r13 s15
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;B[qg]C[Arhiman [3d\]: r13 s15 r15 s14 s16 r17 r16 p14 q15 r12 ?
MeTryBlitz [4d\]: r16  instead of r15 imo
kaljago [2d\]: that's what I'd expect if w goes s15 :)
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: good we all read Attack and Defense : D
kaljago [2d\]: but can he do something else? the top is much more interesting
Arhiman [3d\]: oh the one I told was the wrong one for b ?
duffer [7k\]: This joseki is in A& D?
kaljago [2d\]: surely at least q15 p14 r15 p15 r16 is possible
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: It is covered shortly yes
Arhiman [3d\]: Attack and Defense ? is it good ?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: For SDK sure, one of the best middlegame books, in my opinion
duffer [7k\]: I've seen this joseki end in a b2 bomber for b
qingshui [2k\]: s15
qingshui [2k\]: ?
huy [5k\]: and  : r15 ??
kaljago [2d\]: and I'm kind of wondering if w could even q15 p14 r15 p15 p16 ... :p
Arhiman [3d\]: no, it's bad one kaljago
TonyTiger [-\]: lol
DrmTs [4k\]: Who plays
huy [5k\]: read..
LeBron [1d?\]: sure B is going all in
DrmTs [4k\]: Cant, using android version
huy [5k\]: poor you^^
kaljago [2d\]: arhi, what happens with it?
Arhiman [3d\]: antti tormanen 6d and olli hella 3d
Arhiman [3d\]: antti is w
DrmTs [4k\]: Who is playibg??
Arhiman [3d\]: problem I think is b double hane
DrmTs [4k\]: Ohh thanks
bert [3d\]: q15 p14 r16, i am sure 
kaljago [2d\]: oh, right
Arhiman [3d\]: and also b has shicho, but even with the shicho I don't think I would play it here
huy [5k\]: i read...r15 q15 r12 s13 s12 good...... no??
Arhiman [3d\]: this would be good for b, huy
incest: i got the best idea for aname
kaljago [2d\]: overconcentrated
Arhiman [3d\]: too many sente moves, w overconcentrated, and b too thick
huy [5k\]: why white schould play atari and lose the sente?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: B has forcing moves at p13 r16 s15 then
incest: is fun
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;W[pe]
;B[of]C[huy [5k\]: so many possibility.... i already lose my brain...
Arhiman [3d\]: huh
]
;W[qd]
;B[oe]
;W[qe]C[Arhiman [3d\]: well what do I know
kaljago [2d\]: huy, the point here is that this way w gets closer to the corner
kaljago [2d\]: he does not want to play close to r9, because it has eyes and is very very strong
kaljago [2d\]: and there is no territory to be made near that area, so playing elsewhere is more efficient/profitable
huy [5k\]: so black cut  or take corner....
Arhiman [3d\]: r17, c'mon
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: r17 only move with K16?
kaljago [2d\]: I suppose you could play q17 :)
bert [3d\]: heh q17 simply is also playable, but i prefer r17 here
incest: i
incest: n
incest: c
incest: e
incest: s
incest: t
xD [1k\]: t
Arhiman [3d\]: you've just made the list
huy [5k\]: pffff
kaljago [2d\]: q17 r17 would be painful, as you'd want to tenuki but would then leave bad shape
bert [3d\]: true
kaljago [2d\]: (w would probably take r13, but locally speaking..)
TyTaLuS [9k\]: why not take q13?
DrmTs [4k\]: Wich.is the most severe move agaibst 
Arhiman [3d\]: corner would be too big
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: corner is bigger - generally speaking
huy [5k\]: if he take q13 he give corner
Arhiman [3d\]: and this direction isn't interesting because of r9 over-thickness
TyTaLuS [9k\]: k ty
DrmTs [4k\]: Wich is the.most severe move against c4????
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;B[qc]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: B5 is a common move
DrmTs [4k\]: If b wanted to ad a stobe there
huy [5k\]: s17? for fun? or keep to the yose?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: but you have still Aji in the corner
DrmTs [4k\]: S17 bad
Arhiman [3d\]: why ?
]
;W[pc]C[huy [5k\]: why?
]
;B[od]
;W[rc]C[DrmTs [4k\]: Aji for b
]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]C[Arhiman [3d\]: ?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: Q17 is the normal move, I think
bert [3d\]: s14 
BobHurt [1k?\]: i guess w may want q17 in position for some sent moves first, no?
huy [5k\]: q17 is normal, ok but tyhey are not normal player
Mech91 [2k\]: r12
xD [1k\]: s14 better than r12
xD [1k\]: it squeezes white
Stripe [2k\]: how much is the komi ?
spar [8k\]: w has sente, good fow w
spar [8k\]: for
]
;B[pb]
;W[qh]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I think W will capture R13 so no sente
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: too late
Jayy [-\]: 6.5
spar [8k\]: :)
Stripe [2k\]: thanks
Arhiman [3d\]: b5 or c13 ?
xD [1k\]: c13 i think
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: is C13 big, when you have an open skirt at the bottom left?
Arhiman [3d\]: b5 is kinda sente to close
xD [1k\]: b5 is basically sente though
Arhiman [3d\]: and a pincer stone would be lonely on the left I think, but I'm not sure of all that ^^
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p13 seems important
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I would be afraid of white running though my "moyo" ^^
Arhiman [3d\]: that's what these are for, aren't they ? :)
klausP [4d?\]: w a littel over concentrated
klausP [4d?\]: is Antti realy white here?
xD [1k\]: p13 is not necessary yet s0urLuc1d
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: D15 says yes : D
TyTaLuS [9k\]: w need to invade around k4?
kaljago [2d\]: if w is overconcentrated then it's not by much
bartosz [-\]: this game looks as if 6d was black
Arhiman [3d\]: except for q8 or k16 ^^
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p13 just seems like one of those, "while I'm in the area" kind of moves
xD [1k\]: thats terrible logic
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: lol
TyTaLuS [9k\]: w can ignore tho cant he?
]
;B[bo]C[qingshui [2k\]: e2
]
;W[er]C[Arhiman [3d\]: nice call
qingshui [2k\]: pretty obvious
Arhiman [3d\]: seems like w had this all prepared
]
;B[dq]C[Arhiman [3d\]: ok, not a nice call then
xD [1k\]: bad call
qingshui [2k\]: haha
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: :o
]
;W[iq]C[josek [3k\]: grabbing the corner seems good enough
TyTaLuS [9k\]: he wants to live in the bottom
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: p13 looks like ajikeshi to me, rather s13 s12 q12 p13 o13 p12 o12 p11 and then take g17 or something like that
TyTaLuS [9k\]: he dosent care for the corner
josek [3k\]: w will still live small
bert [3d\]: d3 is in wrong direction, no?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I think d3 is questionable, too
Arhiman [3d\]: what would you play instead ?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: maybe he is confident in an upcoming attack?
bert [3d\]: f3
kaljago [2d\]: would f3 be possible instead?
BobHurt [1k?\]: f3  or g3 no?
spar [8k\]: w is quite low
kaljago [2d\]: w got smack in the middle of black moyo
Deft1 [10k\]: can't wait to long to start securing all those sweet points
bert [3d\]: g3 now
qingshui [2k\]: its hard to think for a long time
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;B[cg]C[josek [3k\]: i like b better
TyTaLuS [9k\]: i think we all do
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I don't
]
;W[hd]C[Arhiman [3d\]: I don't
Arhiman [3d\]: huh, 4th line ??
qingshui [2k\]: i like white better because he's 6 dan and therefore stronger
kaljago [2d\]: I don't, not after lower left corner :/
TyTaLuS [9k\]: lol
TyTaLuS [9k\]: i respect people that respect numbers
PabloRR [16k\]: For rea
klausP [4d?\]: i like white better, because he is a real nice person an i dont know black
qingshui [2k\]: for some reason, i think a pro would play differently here
TyTaLuS [9k\]: lol
josek [3k\]: racisr
qingshui [2k\]: pros like to troll amateurs by playing weird/complicated
iceweasel [-\]: antii has been known to play very unpro like
bert [3d\]: an experimentator then?
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: h2
PabloRR [16k\]: For real
kaljago [2d\]: well, w stones are somewhat low, so why not? :)
bert [3d\]: his family name sounds so tormentous
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;B[eg]C[klausP [4d?\]: still this game lokes like Antti has black
klausP [4d?\]: is there a webcam?
SM2012B [-\]: no
bert [3d\]: too bad
klausP [4d?\]: but Antti would not play b5+d3
bert [3d\]: still j3 looks too far to me 
]
;W[ej]C[kaljago [2d\]: d2 c3 g3 would make it look just right
PabloRR [16k\]: there we go
Arhiman [3d\]: that is...
bert [3d\]: sumatra?
TyTaLuS [9k\]: does he have enoght just capping?
Arhiman [3d\]: annoyingly interesting
]
;B[cj]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: question is, what does black have? 
PabloRR [16k\]: influence?
bert [3d\]: f4 
josek [3k\]: groups to atack
kaljago [2d\]: yes, I think antti is going to lose his amateur license over this.. only pros are allowed to play keshi instead of m4d 1nv4510n5
]
;W[jc]C[herissondu [-\]: and what does w have
qingshui [2k\]: nice trolling kaljiago
]
;B[kc]
;W[ic]
;B[kd]
;W[hf]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p13 yet?
xD [1k\]: h14 is very calm
huy [5k\]: h11
jyka [4k\]: s13
jyka [4k\]: ?
TyTaLuS [9k\]: yea attack that stones
klausP [4d?\]: well if black takes gote with L16
klausP [4d?\]: w can play save
huglindien [2k\]: g3 ?
kaljago [2d\]: w just doesn't want e10 end up being captured on large scale, I think
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b lose
xD [1k\]: black still has plenty to attack
klausP [4d?\]: w got 50points so far
klausP [4d?\]: +komi
xD [1k\]: i count black around 35
xD [1k\]: to 40
klausP [4d?\]: he can get more on the bottom, if black does not attack there soon
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: h2 good attack point?
huglindien [2k\]: no
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I can't find a good move for Black at the bottom : /
josek [3k\]: dont attack to weak stones ...
klausP [4d?\]: me neather
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: seems pretty miai-ish
josek [3k\]: attach*
TyTaLuS [9k\]: b should attack from the bottom and the lean on j3 imo
xD [1k\]: did you just say dont attack weak stones?
bert [3d\]: what is wrong with g3?
Jayy [-\]: He meant attach
xD [1k\]: oh
Jayy [-\]: I think :p
xD [1k\]: well that is true haha
Lacrimosa [?\]: oh, that's why it never worked for me
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: g12?
Stripe [2k\]: D2?
kaljago [2d\]: bert: g3 g2 h2 h3 f2 f3 g1 g4 g2 f4 e3 j5 ?
]
;B[cd]C[bert [3d\]: hmmm
xD [1k\]: i dont like this move
]
;W[ce]
;B[be]
;W[dd]C[xD [1k\]: because it is gote
]
;B[bc]C[kaljago [2d\]: good reason not to like
kaljago [2d\]: b is playing yose
xD [1k\]: i feel attacking the weak groups is more urgent
qingshui [2k\]: b is 3 dan forgive him for that
herissondu [-\]: L3 is huge
xD [1k\]: yes
power [2k\]: for playing yose on 55 move?
]
;W[ck]C[RoundTuit [3k\]: if it's big enough
Toge [1k\]: Onko tässä 0.5 komi kuten säännöissä sanotaan?
zife [-\]: ihan 6.5 on
SM2012B [-\]: 6,5 komi
zife [-\]: ja säännöissä sanotaan kyl 6,5
Lacrimosa [?\]: options->rules sanoo 0,5
zife [-\]: mulle se sanoo 6,5
SM2012B [-\]: 6,5 siellä on laitettu :)
kaljago [2d\]: b might feel that if he goes for territory now then the overall extra thickness he has will do the rest
Lacrimosa [?\]: eiku se onkin joku toinen kenttä
morbidus [1d\]: if i had more time i would learn Finnish, looks really weird
Toge [1k\]: No niinpäs onkin, katsoin tuosta kohdasta lopputulos ja luulin sitä komiksi
Lacrimosa [?\]: menin lankaan
zife [-\]: ette oo kyl ensimmäisiä jotka menee tohon lankaa
TyTaLuS [9k\]:  if i had more time i would learn go, looks really weird
josek [3k\]: that escaleted quickly
kaljago [2d\]: d9 d10 e9 ...? :PP
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: so ugly : D
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: clamp
TyTaLuS [9k\]: d10 and cut b is alive on both sides
kaljago [2d\]: hmh, w would cut through d13
bert [3d\]: d10 
Arhiman [3d\]: d10 for bad shape ? ^^
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: no : (
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: c8
xD [1k\]: c8 is bad
Arhiman [3d\]: how about d9 then d10 ?
Arhiman [3d\]: e9*
Arhiman [3d\]: d9 then e9
josek [3k\]: d9 looks really bad
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: c8 is fine
Arhiman [3d\]: c8 will never be fine
kyana [10k\]: why not tenuki?
Arhiman [3d\]: to keep the group as weak as possible
goren2 [3k\]: tenuki, l3
josek [3k\]: maybe atack bottom first to see if he gets the ladder
TyTaLuS [9k\]: well you cant cut with d9 stair is good for w
kaljago [2d\]: arhi, d9 d10 e9 c11 b10 c12 or something like that might be a problem for b
]
;B[dj]C[bert [3d\]: there you go
SM2012B [-\]: time remaining: W 70, B 30
]
;W[dk]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: my eyes : (
Blitzbold [2k\]: just got here; do the players have kgs accs? ... and which?
kaljago [2d\]: brute force FTW!
]
;B[ek]C[josek [3k\]: cut of course
Gorim [2k\]: antti is Tien
bert [3d\]: cut first, think later
Gorim [2k\]: ?9d
xD [1k\]: the cut was the only move
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: B10?
spar [8k\]: atari first
xD [1k\]: dont atari cutting stones
TyTaLuS [9k\]: yea
SM2012B [-\]: Olli´s account is Governor
]
;W[dm]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: corner aji lurking
jyka [4k\]: b win by resign 
Blitzbold [2k\]: thx
josek [3k\]: now b is paying for playing gote in the corner
jyka [4k\]: thx for watching
SM2012c [-\]: thanks you
TyTaLuS [9k\]: lol
jyka [4k\]: yw
xD [1k\]: this is a difficult read
goren2 [3k\]: e5
Ikay [15k\]: i don't understand most of their move...
Ikay [15k\]: :'(
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: don't worry, it's common ^^
Signifier [9k\]: is this handicap game?
xD [1k\]: no
xD [1k\]: even
xD [1k\]: 6.5 komi
Signifier [9k\]: ah ok
kaljago [2d\]: just f9?
jyka [4k\]: e8
]
;B[en]C[xD [1k\]: b10 now seems necessary
kaljago [2d\]: f9 e8 e7 f8 f7 g8 c6 seems like the obvious thing
Arhiman [3d\]: drive-suji ?
finity [2k\]: kerkäs täällä pelaa?
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: think so too :o
]
;W[fk]
;B[el]
;W[em]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[SM2012B [-\]: Antti Törmänen 6d W vs. Olli Hella 3d B
TyTaLuS [9k\]: w group in the middle of 2 weak groups
kyana [10k\]: Ooooh, driving tesuji, just learned about iz
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: : )
kaljago [2d\]: oh, b wondering if he should play f10 instead of g8 :)
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: Good!
kaljago [2d\]: f10 would be sooooo wussy
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: F10 is bad, I think :o
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b7 looks nice for w
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: free forcing moves
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: before b10 maybe
]
;B[gl]
;W[cq]C[xD [1k\]: oh wow
jyka [4k\]: sweet child time 
Arhiman [3d\]: nice move !
jyka [4k\]: bof
TonyTiger [-\]: impossible...
jyka [4k\]: jai vu mieux
jyka [4k\]: d2 et l'affaire est plié mec 
Arhiman [3d\]: d2 d4 e3 c6 c5 d5 ?
bert [3d\]: c7 
kaljago [2d\]: "don't worry, this isn't going to hurt one bit"
jyka [4k\]: np
SM2012B [-\]: looks like Olli doesn´t like this move
xD [1k\]: lol
Arhiman [3d\]: you betcha ^^
jyka [4k\]: zlatan doing better
xD [1k\]: c7 maybe? a trade?
jyka [4k\]: is not a trade
jyka [4k\]: its a die 
xD [1k\]: ....
jyka [4k\]: corner is more big 
kaljago [2d\]: arhi, but what happens when c7 then? :)
jyka [4k\]: zlatan told me that 
Arhiman [3d\]: you mean the trade ?
kaljago [2d\]: it's too much of a friday night for me to read after that point
Arhiman [3d\]: I prefer w in this trade, don't you ?
Arhiman [3d\]: what time is it, kaljago ?
kaljago [2d\]: 20:36
kaljago [2d\]: I have beer
Arhiman [3d\]: oh, that's ok ^^
SM2012B [-\]: time to open another one aye
Arhiman [3d\]: and you have beer ? stop complaining !
kaljago [2d\]: incidentally, kalja = beer :)
jyka [4k\]: i have just ricard, its ok ? 
Arhiman [3d\]: it's 3am and I have some disgusting apple juice :(
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: still same bottle jyka?
josek [3k\]: if not d2, then what?
xD [1k\]: apple juice is nasty
jyka [4k\]: g5
Arhiman [3d\]: well this one especially
jyka [4k\]: ricard is french drink 
jyka [4k\]: pastis is you prefr
xD [1k\]: g5 does not capture white
jyka [4k\]: yes, buit can make bobo
jyka [4k\]: big bobo *
kaljago [2d\]: I'm just wondering if it's a real trade.. i.e. does b die with some big stones
TonyTiger [-\]: black should play F6
Arhiman [3d\]: f2 ?
Arhiman [3d\]: f2 for fun
andrewgo [?\]: hello
jyka [4k\]: what about tenuki 
xD [1k\]: ...
Nathan [4k\]: what is the reasoning behind f6?
spar [8k\]: b cant have corner 
TonyTiger [-\]: F6 to either kill E7 or C3
kaljago [2d\]: g5? :P
]
;B[hn]C[Arhiman [3d\]: at least it's fun
jyka [4k\]: big for b 
jyka [4k\]: if w is capture 
jyka [4k\]: in the border
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b7 now
jyka [4k\]: you see zlatan goals ? 
DrmTs [4k\]: This kills J17?
Arhiman [3d\]: time for w to live up to his rank
jyka [4k\]: j17 ? its, alive ...
TonyTiger [-\]: if b would had played G5 then C6 weakness wouldhad remained
kaljago [2d\]: not any more than here, but h6 is a more useful stone
kaljago [2d\]: if g5, then w can still escape to the right
Arhiman [3d\]: also this geta is more solide :)
bert [3d\]: yeah, h6 nice move
kaljago [2d\]: anyhow, g5 was just the first idea of "what if not d2?" :)
]
;W[ch]C[Arhiman [3d\]: the only sequence I see result in w getting d3 and e4, and b all the e7 stones
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b11
jyka [4k\]: white have crazy tesuji 
kaljago [2d\]: w have lots of smoke and mirrors
kaljago [2d\]: "cast smoke and mirrors" is a spell people get when they level up to 4 dan
josek [3k\]: w is definetely hard to predict
jyka [4k\]: b10
xD [1k\]: c12 seems more like an asking move, than a tesuji
hemb [3k?\]: d12 seems like the obvious answer... what else might b try?
josek [3k\]: at least w is ahead on time
Arhiman [3d\]: d12 loses corner
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b11
jyka [4k\]: what given clock ? 
Arhiman [3d\]: b12 b11 I guess
]
;B[dh]C[josek [3k\]: oh
jyka [4k\]: fight 
Cromagnon [3k\]: not fight save play i think
Arhiman [3d\]: f6 ?
jyka [4k\]: b resign 
Cromagnon [3k\]: but perhaps i need to evolve more
jyka [4k\]: thx wathcing
josek [3k\]: this doesnt look very safe
Cromagnon [3k\]: for b yes
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b12
kaljago [2d\]: b12 b13.. can w still live?
kaljago [2d\]: making eyes there does not seem that easy
]
;W[gm]C[kaljago [2d\]: although there is the aji around b5 to use..
]
;B[hm]
;W[hl]C[bartosz [-\]: too many aji to kill
Cromagnon [3k\]: too many comments 
kaljago [2d\]: should at least be able to trade upper left for d stones, but I'm not sure if can have both7
]
;B[gk]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: why too many comments?
kaljago [2d\]: because beer makes you talkative, that's why
Cromagnon [3k\]: i was talking about my comments
]
;W[bj]
;B[bh]C[Cromagnon [3k\]: i have no numbers at the side of the board... what can i do ?
TonyTiger [-\]: oh no
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: get a sharpie
TonyTiger [-\]: no w able to live there...
kyana [10k\]: Ctrl + L
Muttley [2k\]: switch them on in settings, or that
Cromagnon [3k\]: :) tx
kaljago [2d\]: b wants to kill all :>
kaljago [2d\]: go, black! that's the spirit!
Arhiman [3d\]: what do you mean ?
jyka [4k\]: b7 kill 
kaljago [2d\]: as good spirits as in my bottle!
josek [3k\]: eating g7 would be enough
]
;W[cm]
;B[cn]C[xD [1k\]: i dont see how white can live
jyka [4k\]: if w kill, b win ? 
]
;W[fo]C[Cromagnon [3k\]: my move !
spar [8k\]: ladder
Cromagnon [3k\]: now white attacks
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: e11 is threat
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: I see how this works..
CBlue [?\]: g5
kaljago [2d\]: w can get at least ko?
Cromagnon [3k\]: black d2
kaljago [2d\]: c11 d11 b11 b13 b8 d8 b6 c5 c8 a6 ?
jyka [4k\]: no
jyka [4k\]: c11, p13, q12,
xD [1k\]: too many things complicating this
jyka [4k\]: g5
Cromagnon [3k\]: ok if white gets a chance to play d2 what will black do with the corner
josek [3k\]: f6
]
;B[dr]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: Cromagnon, I guess that answers your question
Cromagnon [3k\]: yes
kaljago [2d\]: ok so w won't die :)
jyka [4k\]: Smoke onthe water, fire on the white stone 
iceweasel [-\]: wonder why b didnt g5
kaljago [2d\]: h6 stones suddenly look a lot more vulnerable
spar [8k\]: g5 bad
kaljago [2d\]: j8?
TyTaLuS [9k\]: i think w can cut d6
josek [3k\]: i dont see why b didnt f6
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: f6 g6 g5 h5
josek [3k\]: h5 h4
jyka [4k\]: sa dait mal a la tete 
iceweasel [-\]: f6 g6 g5 h5 g4 h4
Cromagnon [3k\]: w f5 ?
Arhiman [3d\]: the result doesn't seem that bad for b !
jyka [4k\]: p13 can made big moyo in the center after that
josek [3k\]: now looks like b owns a move at e5
josek [3k\]: owes
bert [3d\]: yes
jyka [4k\]: yes what ? 
Cromagnon [3k\]: e5 yes
SM2012B [-\]: times remaining: W 51, B 10
]
;W[go]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: big difference
Cromagnon [3k\]: spar ?
kaljago [2d\]: meh, boring move :<
Arhiman [3d\]: can't always have c3 ! :)
josek [3k\]: at last a boring ove by w
Gardan [?\]: antti thinks about gors
kaljago [2d\]: eyes already going "ka-ching!"? :)
Arhiman [3d\]: l3 ?
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: g3
]
;B[dp]
;W[fq]
;B[bm]C[kaljago [2d\]: wow, that was painful
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: w bamboo master
josek [3k\]: l3 looking so big
kaljago [2d\]: j8
Arhiman [3d\]: not sure j8 would lead to an advantageous fight here
kaljago [2d\]: add one stone?
Arhiman [3d\]: m3 kinda big ?
josek [3k\]: b7 was necessary?
Arhiman [3d\]: or p5 ?
]
;W[bl]C[Nathan [4k\]: h9?
josek [3k\]: b8 was necessary?
Wirtuoosi [2d\]: j8 would surely show fighting spirit but looks like overplay
bert [3d\]: j13 
]
;B[cr]C[SM2012B [-\]: hmmh
jyka [4k\]: f2
Arhiman [3d\]: a lot of moves for that corner...
]
;W[il]C[CBlue [?\]: i dont think b has time to play c2
josek [3k\]: was c2 necessary?
CBlue [?\]: w was already leading by komi maybe?
]
;B[jn]
;W[kl]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: oh well.. Antti did get some fighting spirit prize at some wagc 
Gardan [?\]: Wc2 would be annoying at least
]
;B[jp]C[josek [3k\]: this fight seems good for b
]
;W[jq]C[kaljago [2d\]: heh, b will push w to get that m3 ;)
]
;B[kp]C[Snif [3k\]: w did that to prevent b moyo in the center
SM2012B [-\]: right you are, kalja
]
;W[ij]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b should resign now
Snif [3k\]: w 5 points ahead ?
qingshui [2k\]: amazing, its not even the 100th move yet
]
;B[hh]C[xD [1k\]: g2 is a good point for black for yose
xD [1k\]: because if white f2, black can h4
Arhiman [3d\]: n8 ?
qingshui [2k\]: m11?
]
;W[gj]
;B[fj]
;W[gi]
;B[fh]C[mw42 [1d\]: where are b points?
]
;W[jh]C[kaljago [2d\]: g2 g3 f2 e3 e1 h2 f1 m2 seems the wrong way to me; l3 bigger
]
(;B[kj]C[SM2012B [-\]: sorry, got disconnected
])
(;B[og]
;W[ph]
;B[kj]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: finally p13
]
;W[lh]
;B[kg]
;W[kh]
;B[mj]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: there are non
kaljago [2d\]: p13 is what we call "the black privilege"
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: sounds fancy
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: 08
goren2 [3k\]: k10?
goren2 [3k\]: g12?
]
;W[ih]C[kaljago [2d\]: l3 is kind of huge
]
;B[hg]
;W[ml]C[TonyTiger [-\]: nah. smallish
mw42 [1d\]: smallish, lol
kaljago [2d\]: compared to dying here, yes, but that's just not gonna happen
kaljago [2d\]: it's going to be about whether b manages to invent a way to lose sente here or not
]
;B[oj]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: q7
]
;W[kq]C[SM2012B [-\]: winning move
jyka [4k\]: c18
TonyTiger [-\]: b should kill
mw42 [1d\]: w is fine
mw42 [1d\]: this move is sente
Gardan [?\]: hard to kill antei
goren2 [3k\]: k7
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: r19 next time w has sente
]
;B[jk]C[mw42 [1d\]: bad move
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: w lose g11
mw42 [1d\]: no
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: k8 g9 j9 j11
kaljago [2d\]: just connect
TonyTiger [-\]: killing is the only choice
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: *h11
mw42 [1d\]: i could read that, ty
]
;W[jl]
;B[lq]C[SM2012B [-\]: Olli in Byo-yomi
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: yw
goren2 [3k\]: m10?
kaljago [2d\]: m10 possible now if w wants
josek [3k\]: how many periods?
]
;W[ni]C[Muttley [2k\]: 1 move, 1 minute
SM2012B [-\]: 1min x 1
Muttley [2k\]: so not about "periods"
Muttley [2k\]: standard serious game rate :)
kaljago [2d\]: p8 looks interesting if b connects..
]
;B[mi]
;W[mh]C[TyTaLuS [9k\]: so
TyTaLuS [9k\]: how did this end?
]
;B[nj]C[xD [1k\]: this is live
TyTaLuS [9k\]: didnt end yet?
mw42 [1d\]: why not resign
]
;W[ol]C[kaljago [2d\]: b still hopes to kill?
xD [1k\]: they are still playing
TyTaLuS [9k\]: k
TyTaLuS [9k\]: ty
]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[nh]
;W[ng]C[x0000 [-\]: ko is not good
]
;B[mg]
;W[ni]C[goren2 [3k\]: there will be blood
]
;B[pk]C[kaljago [2d\]: is o14 a local threat or not? :D
kaljago [2d\]: if w is just trying to live
TonyTiger [-\]: :)
]
;W[mf]
;B[om]C[goren2 [3k\]: m2
goren2 [3k\]: mqybe b18
mw42 [1d\]: o17 maybe
]
;W[nc]
;B[oc]C[kaljago [2d\]: if w is a super-wuss and plays o12, who has more points? I haven't even estimated..
]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[le]C[kaljago [2d\]: I'm just wondering if there's, like, any point in this game right now.. it's kind of felt like b getting pounded for a while now
mw42 [1d\]: o12 would have been an awful move
zife [-\]: eiköhän tää oo tässä
kaljago [2d\]: I don't disagree with that
]
;B[nf]C[zife [-\]: komi on liian iso
]
;W[lg]C[kaljago [2d\]: well, now it certainly is doen
josek [3k\]: ...
]
;B[mc]C[xD [1k\]: i think black can still win if he plays good yose
mw42 [1d\]: no, xD
mw42 [1d\]: not even god himself could win this in yose
kaljago [2d\]: I still haven't estimated, but no, not after that exchange
goren2 [3k\]: i think w has about60 points, b about 50
jyka [4k\]: over
]
;W[lr]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[ll]C[mw42 [1d\]: bad move
kaljago [2d\]: b gets the two stones
kaljago [2d\]: it's legit yose, no?
josek [3k\]: so does w
]
;W[lm]
;B[lk]C[josek [3k\]: or not
mw42 [1d\]: i'm pretty sure w kills h7 now
]
;W[kn]
;B[jm]
;W[km]C[xD [1k\]: j11 for black can get something?
kaljago [2d\]: no
]
;B[nr]C[Nino [2k\]: o7 looks like fun
goren2 [3k\]: b18
kaljago [2d\]: or wait maybe the two stones if you want peanuts :
]
;W[ip]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: how does w respond to h11
]
;B[io]C[kaljago [2d\]: h11 k10 
xD [1k\]: how does he respond to j11 
kaljago [2d\]: j11 k11 
]
;W[nm]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: ah right liberty trouble if tries to push j9 then
]
;B[pm]
;W[qn]
;B[qj]
;W[rj]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[kb]C[mw42 [1d\]: b cannot tenuki
mw42 [1d\]: okay
Nino [2k\]: n5?
mw42 [1d\]: l5
josek [3k\]: n5 good
]
;W[mo]C[PabloRR [16k\]: for real
kaljago [2d\]: res
jyka [4k\]: m5
josek [3k\]: yes
goren2 [3k\]: ok, done
goren2 [3k\]: resigned
mw42 [1d\]: resign only move
]
;B[lp]C[Cromagnon [3k\]: lol n5 no good ... why ? josek
]
;W[oo]C[kaljago [2d\]: ..... not resign?!
mw42 [1d\]: he said n5 good
atoris [6k\]: au
mw42 [1d\]: lrn2rd
Cromagnon [3k\]: oh i misread i thought u said no good 
SM2012B [-\]: w+res
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: nice
SoDesuNe [1d?\]: thanks scribe =)
mw42 [1d\]: ty
SM2012B [-\]: thank you for watching ! Tomorrow we get more games
mw42 [1d\]: gg
Gardan [?\]: ktos
jyka [4k\]: no
YliGo [-\]: OLLILLE TSEMPPIÄ HUOMISEEN
jyka [4k\]: he can live
jyka [4k\]: o12
josek [3k\]: o12 nothing
PabloRR [16k\]: Thanks SM2012B. Keep it real
jyka [4k\]: o12, n13,q11, s13,o8
jyka [4k\]: then, o9, n9
jyka [4k\]: its work
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: ah snapback
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: i see
jyka [4k\]: but
jyka [4k\]: whatever, b as not so much terrotry
s0urLuc1d [5k\]: lol
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