(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi] GN[Finnish Championship League 2012 Round 1 Board 2]PW[Antti Törmänen ]PB[Olli Hella]WR[6d]BR[3d]DT[2012-11-16]EV[Finnish Championship League]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Darchik] ;B[pd] ;W[dc] ;B[pq] ;W[cp] ;B[ep] ;W[po] ;B[np] ;W[qq] ;B[qr] ;W[qp]C[mw42 [1d\]: is antii the favorite to win? mw42 [1d\]: antti* shakti [-\]: yes..... MeTryBlitz [4d\]: as usual :p gooooo [4k?\]: go antti :) mw42 [1d\]: i don't think i've ever actually seen him play mw42 [1d\]: p2 r9 is considered better for white, i think mw42 [1d\]: or r10, whichever Arhiman [3d\]: r10 seems a bit far Arhiman [3d\]: this joseki is less and less played actually mw42 [1d\]: that's what i mean alphanum [8k\]: it's ok morbidus [1d\]: i like it Arhiman [3d\]: but as long as the next stone on the left is black's, I don't think that's basically bad alphanum [8k\]: good ] ;B[or]C[mw42 [1d\]: well, end of story. 8k allows it ] ;W[qk]C[Arhiman [3d\]: d6 ? ] ;B[dn]C[Arhiman [3d\]: e3 mw42 [1d\]: lottery numbers, please, arhiman Arhiman [3d\]: never played this morbidus [1d\]: someone malicious could say: end of story, 1d does not allow it? mw42 [1d\]: morbidus, someone could say anything they want. most would choose not to say anything because most would realize i was just making a little joke ] ;W[de]C[morbidus [1d\]: me too duffer [7k\]: double joke fail Arhiman [3d\]: there's no little joke mw42 [1d\]: antti hates c4 Arhiman [3d\]: but maybe there are little jocks huy [5k\]: what's happend if black in c3? LeBron [1d?\]: mmm don't like d15 herissondu [-\]: OO17 will be tough Arhiman [3d\]: b5 ? duffer [7k\]: I think Anti likes the aji of c4 ] ;B[jd]C[mw42 [1d\]: it's hard to completely capture c4 in one more move Arhiman [3d\]: wow don't like k16... MeTryBlitz [4d\]: you cant. Arhiman [3d\]: why not k17 ? ] ;W[qf]C[mw42 [1d\]: you can. depends on how your opponent plays kaljago [2d\]: the same way you can win a 9 stone handicap with white, depending on how your opponent plays? :) Arhiman [3d\]: b next move wont look good I think mw42 [1d\]: yes, exactly, kaljago ] ;B[on]C[LeBron [1d?\]: r11 SoDesuNe [1d?\]: all eggs in one basket ] ;W[qm]C[mw42 [1d\]: i don't think so duffer [7k\]: at least it's a big basket SoDesuNe [1d?\]: it's the only basket ^^ klausP [4d?\]: suprising low opening by w kaljago [2d\]: expected q7 instead but I kind of like the actual move better :P LeBron [1d?\]: q14? kaljago [2d\]: now the invadable r10-r13 region is boring Arhiman [3d\]: this is the proper move I think, gives less sente moves and less aji for almost the same result in points TyTaLuS [9k\]: what championship is this?? lamalama: options > rules SoDesuNe [1d?\]: Finnish ] ;B[pl]C[mw42 [1d\]: finnish championship Arhiman [3d\]: weird TyTaLuS [9k\]: ty Nyanjilla [-\]: it's written at the top of this window..... mw42 [1d\]: b is not being too subtle duffer [7k\]: making a thin wall? PowaPig [2d\]: also normal TyTaLuS [9k\]: yea i confused finnish with finish xD mw42 [1d\]: nyanjilla, android users can't see that bar Nyanjilla [-\]: uh-huh Nyanjilla [-\]: really, mw? ] ;W[ql]C[mw42 [1d\]: i believe so mw42 [1d\]: i don't have the android client, but it's what i've heard Nyanjilla [-\]: ....and there was I nagging the scribes into filling it in properly.... >_< SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I'm not fond of Black's opening :o mw42 [1d\]: don't feel bad. all the other users appreciate it :-) duffer [7k\]: only one person viewing from mobile ^^ iceweasel [-\]: now b o8 wld be honte? Arhiman [3d\]: this is definitely not good mw42 [1d\]: duffer, yeah, not many baduk fans in alabama iceweasel [-\]: but too slow? kaljago [2d\]: weird.. I *like* to grab territory every opportunity I can, and I think black is doing pretty fine here :) duffer [7k\]: :p s0urLuc1d [5k\]: nor georgia Nyanjilla [-\]: mw42---the bad-joke corner is over there ---> mw42 [1d\]: D-: klausP [4d?\]: Antti used to play for center a lot kaljago [2d\]: q14 maybe? iceweasel [-\]: o17 kaljago [2d\]: if this were a bar game I'd just play something really crazy like c13, but it isn't.. :) Arhiman [3d\]: q14 then crosscut ? mw42 [1d\]: tengen obviously s0urLuc1d [5k\]: q6 kaljago [2d\]: b has effectively not responded to r14 approach and w is strong on the side, so playing there would be natural ] ;B[pf]C[mw42 [1d\]: i have a feeling black is trying to play an influence/moyo strategy, idk MeTryBlitz [4d\]: "i ahve a feeling, lol" kaljago [2d\]: lower side, yes Arhiman [3d\]: no singing please kaljago [2d\]: but black needs to get stones elsewhere too ] ;W[pg]C[kaljago [2d\]: r15? s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p14 LeBron [1d?\]: r13 Arhiman [3d\]: r13 mw42 [1d\]: p13 obviously s0urLuc1d [5k\]: attatch and extend MeTryBlitz [4d\]: r13 s15 MeTryBlitz [4d\]: w can resist with s13 instead of r12 MeTryBlitz [4d\]: not rly too good looking for b then kaljago [2d\]: hmh, what happens from r13? I don't think I've seen that joseki myongstu [4d\]: r13 s15 ] ;B[qg]C[Arhiman [3d\]: r13 s15 r15 s14 s16 r17 r16 p14 q15 r12 ? MeTryBlitz [4d\]: r16 instead of r15 imo kaljago [2d\]: that's what I'd expect if w goes s15 :) SoDesuNe [1d?\]: good we all read Attack and Defense : D kaljago [2d\]: but can he do something else? the top is much more interesting Arhiman [3d\]: oh the one I told was the wrong one for b ? duffer [7k\]: This joseki is in A& D? kaljago [2d\]: surely at least q15 p14 r15 p15 r16 is possible SoDesuNe [1d?\]: It is covered shortly yes Arhiman [3d\]: Attack and Defense ? is it good ? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: For SDK sure, one of the best middlegame books, in my opinion duffer [7k\]: I've seen this joseki end in a b2 bomber for b qingshui [2k\]: s15 qingshui [2k\]: ? huy [5k\]: and : r15 ?? kaljago [2d\]: and I'm kind of wondering if w could even q15 p14 r15 p15 p16 ... :p Arhiman [3d\]: no, it's bad one kaljago TonyTiger [-\]: lol DrmTs [4k\]: Who plays huy [5k\]: read.. LeBron [1d?\]: sure B is going all in DrmTs [4k\]: Cant, using android version huy [5k\]: poor you^^ kaljago [2d\]: arhi, what happens with it? Arhiman [3d\]: antti tormanen 6d and olli hella 3d Arhiman [3d\]: antti is w DrmTs [4k\]: Who is playibg?? Arhiman [3d\]: problem I think is b double hane DrmTs [4k\]: Ohh thanks bert [3d\]: q15 p14 r16, i am sure kaljago [2d\]: oh, right Arhiman [3d\]: and also b has shicho, but even with the shicho I don't think I would play it here huy [5k\]: i read...r15 q15 r12 s13 s12 good...... no?? Arhiman [3d\]: this would be good for b, huy incest: i got the best idea for aname kaljago [2d\]: overconcentrated Arhiman [3d\]: too many sente moves, w overconcentrated, and b too thick huy [5k\]: why white schould play atari and lose the sente? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: B has forcing moves at p13 r16 s15 then incest: is fun ] ;W[pe] ;B[of]C[huy [5k\]: so many possibility.... i already lose my brain... Arhiman [3d\]: huh ] ;W[qd] ;B[oe] ;W[qe]C[Arhiman [3d\]: well what do I know kaljago [2d\]: huy, the point here is that this way w gets closer to the corner kaljago [2d\]: he does not want to play close to r9, because it has eyes and is very very strong kaljago [2d\]: and there is no territory to be made near that area, so playing elsewhere is more efficient/profitable huy [5k\]: so black cut or take corner.... Arhiman [3d\]: r17, c'mon SoDesuNe [1d?\]: r17 only move with K16? kaljago [2d\]: I suppose you could play q17 :) bert [3d\]: heh q17 simply is also playable, but i prefer r17 here incest: i incest: n incest: c incest: e incest: s incest: t xD [1k\]: t Arhiman [3d\]: you've just made the list huy [5k\]: pffff kaljago [2d\]: q17 r17 would be painful, as you'd want to tenuki but would then leave bad shape bert [3d\]: true kaljago [2d\]: (w would probably take r13, but locally speaking..) TyTaLuS [9k\]: why not take q13? DrmTs [4k\]: Wich.is the most severe move agaibst Arhiman [3d\]: corner would be too big SoDesuNe [1d?\]: corner is bigger - generally speaking huy [5k\]: if he take q13 he give corner Arhiman [3d\]: and this direction isn't interesting because of r9 over-thickness TyTaLuS [9k\]: k ty DrmTs [4k\]: Wich is the.most severe move against c4???? ] ;B[qc]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: B5 is a common move DrmTs [4k\]: If b wanted to ad a stobe there huy [5k\]: s17? for fun? or keep to the yose? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: but you have still Aji in the corner DrmTs [4k\]: S17 bad Arhiman [3d\]: why ? ] ;W[pc]C[huy [5k\]: why? ] ;B[od] ;W[rc]C[DrmTs [4k\]: Aji for b ] ;B[qb] ;W[rb]C[Arhiman [3d\]: ? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: Q17 is the normal move, I think bert [3d\]: s14 BobHurt [1k?\]: i guess w may want q17 in position for some sent moves first, no? huy [5k\]: q17 is normal, ok but tyhey are not normal player Mech91 [2k\]: r12 xD [1k\]: s14 better than r12 xD [1k\]: it squeezes white Stripe [2k\]: how much is the komi ? spar [8k\]: w has sente, good fow w spar [8k\]: for ] ;B[pb] ;W[qh]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I think W will capture R13 so no sente SoDesuNe [1d?\]: too late Jayy [-\]: 6.5 spar [8k\]: :) Stripe [2k\]: thanks Arhiman [3d\]: b5 or c13 ? xD [1k\]: c13 i think SoDesuNe [1d?\]: is C13 big, when you have an open skirt at the bottom left? Arhiman [3d\]: b5 is kinda sente to close xD [1k\]: b5 is basically sente though Arhiman [3d\]: and a pincer stone would be lonely on the left I think, but I'm not sure of all that ^^ s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p13 seems important SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I would be afraid of white running though my "moyo" ^^ Arhiman [3d\]: that's what these are for, aren't they ? :) klausP [4d?\]: w a littel over concentrated klausP [4d?\]: is Antti realy white here? xD [1k\]: p13 is not necessary yet s0urLuc1d SoDesuNe [1d?\]: D15 says yes : D TyTaLuS [9k\]: w need to invade around k4? kaljago [2d\]: if w is overconcentrated then it's not by much bartosz [-\]: this game looks as if 6d was black Arhiman [3d\]: except for q8 or k16 ^^ s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p13 just seems like one of those, "while I'm in the area" kind of moves xD [1k\]: thats terrible logic s0urLuc1d [5k\]: lol TyTaLuS [9k\]: w can ignore tho cant he? ] ;B[bo]C[qingshui [2k\]: e2 ] ;W[er]C[Arhiman [3d\]: nice call qingshui [2k\]: pretty obvious Arhiman [3d\]: seems like w had this all prepared ] ;B[dq]C[Arhiman [3d\]: ok, not a nice call then xD [1k\]: bad call qingshui [2k\]: haha SoDesuNe [1d?\]: :o ] ;W[iq]C[josek [3k\]: grabbing the corner seems good enough TyTaLuS [9k\]: he wants to live in the bottom Wirtuoosi [2d\]: p13 looks like ajikeshi to me, rather s13 s12 q12 p13 o13 p12 o12 p11 and then take g17 or something like that TyTaLuS [9k\]: he dosent care for the corner josek [3k\]: w will still live small bert [3d\]: d3 is in wrong direction, no? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I think d3 is questionable, too Arhiman [3d\]: what would you play instead ? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: maybe he is confident in an upcoming attack? bert [3d\]: f3 kaljago [2d\]: would f3 be possible instead? BobHurt [1k?\]: f3 or g3 no? spar [8k\]: w is quite low kaljago [2d\]: w got smack in the middle of black moyo Deft1 [10k\]: can't wait to long to start securing all those sweet points bert [3d\]: g3 now qingshui [2k\]: its hard to think for a long time ] ;B[cg]C[josek [3k\]: i like b better TyTaLuS [9k\]: i think we all do SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I don't ] ;W[hd]C[Arhiman [3d\]: I don't Arhiman [3d\]: huh, 4th line ?? qingshui [2k\]: i like white better because he's 6 dan and therefore stronger kaljago [2d\]: I don't, not after lower left corner :/ TyTaLuS [9k\]: lol TyTaLuS [9k\]: i respect people that respect numbers PabloRR [16k\]: For rea klausP [4d?\]: i like white better, because he is a real nice person an i dont know black qingshui [2k\]: for some reason, i think a pro would play differently here TyTaLuS [9k\]: lol josek [3k\]: racisr qingshui [2k\]: pros like to troll amateurs by playing weird/complicated iceweasel [-\]: antii has been known to play very unpro like bert [3d\]: an experimentator then? s0urLuc1d [5k\]: h2 PabloRR [16k\]: For real kaljago [2d\]: well, w stones are somewhat low, so why not? :) bert [3d\]: his family name sounds so tormentous ] ;B[eg]C[klausP [4d?\]: still this game lokes like Antti has black klausP [4d?\]: is there a webcam? SM2012B [-\]: no bert [3d\]: too bad klausP [4d?\]: but Antti would not play b5+d3 bert [3d\]: still j3 looks too far to me ] ;W[ej]C[kaljago [2d\]: d2 c3 g3 would make it look just right PabloRR [16k\]: there we go Arhiman [3d\]: that is... bert [3d\]: sumatra? TyTaLuS [9k\]: does he have enoght just capping? Arhiman [3d\]: annoyingly interesting ] ;B[cj]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: question is, what does black have? PabloRR [16k\]: influence? bert [3d\]: f4 josek [3k\]: groups to atack kaljago [2d\]: yes, I think antti is going to lose his amateur license over this.. only pros are allowed to play keshi instead of m4d 1nv4510n5 ] ;W[jc]C[herissondu [-\]: and what does w have qingshui [2k\]: nice trolling kaljiago ] ;B[kc] ;W[ic] ;B[kd] ;W[hf]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: p13 yet? xD [1k\]: h14 is very calm huy [5k\]: h11 jyka [4k\]: s13 jyka [4k\]: ? TyTaLuS [9k\]: yea attack that stones klausP [4d?\]: well if black takes gote with L16 klausP [4d?\]: w can play save huglindien [2k\]: g3 ? kaljago [2d\]: w just doesn't want e10 end up being captured on large scale, I think s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b lose xD [1k\]: black still has plenty to attack klausP [4d?\]: w got 50points so far klausP [4d?\]: +komi xD [1k\]: i count black around 35 xD [1k\]: to 40 klausP [4d?\]: he can get more on the bottom, if black does not attack there soon s0urLuc1d [5k\]: h2 good attack point? huglindien [2k\]: no SoDesuNe [1d?\]: I can't find a good move for Black at the bottom : / josek [3k\]: dont attack to weak stones ... klausP [4d?\]: me neather SoDesuNe [1d?\]: seems pretty miai-ish josek [3k\]: attach* TyTaLuS [9k\]: b should attack from the bottom and the lean on j3 imo xD [1k\]: did you just say dont attack weak stones? bert [3d\]: what is wrong with g3? Jayy [-\]: He meant attach xD [1k\]: oh Jayy [-\]: I think :p xD [1k\]: well that is true haha Lacrimosa [?\]: oh, that's why it never worked for me s0urLuc1d [5k\]: g12? Stripe [2k\]: D2? kaljago [2d\]: bert: g3 g2 h2 h3 f2 f3 g1 g4 g2 f4 e3 j5 ? ] ;B[cd]C[bert [3d\]: hmmm xD [1k\]: i dont like this move ] ;W[ce] ;B[be] ;W[dd]C[xD [1k\]: because it is gote ] ;B[bc]C[kaljago [2d\]: good reason not to like kaljago [2d\]: b is playing yose xD [1k\]: i feel attacking the weak groups is more urgent qingshui [2k\]: b is 3 dan forgive him for that herissondu [-\]: L3 is huge xD [1k\]: yes power [2k\]: for playing yose on 55 move? ] ;W[ck]C[RoundTuit [3k\]: if it's big enough Toge [1k\]: Onko tässä 0.5 komi kuten säännöissä sanotaan? zife [-\]: ihan 6.5 on SM2012B [-\]: 6,5 komi zife [-\]: ja säännöissä sanotaan kyl 6,5 Lacrimosa [?\]: options->rules sanoo 0,5 zife [-\]: mulle se sanoo 6,5 SM2012B [-\]: 6,5 siellä on laitettu :) kaljago [2d\]: b might feel that if he goes for territory now then the overall extra thickness he has will do the rest Lacrimosa [?\]: eiku se onkin joku toinen kenttä morbidus [1d\]: if i had more time i would learn Finnish, looks really weird Toge [1k\]: No niinpäs onkin, katsoin tuosta kohdasta lopputulos ja luulin sitä komiksi Lacrimosa [?\]: menin lankaan zife [-\]: ette oo kyl ensimmäisiä jotka menee tohon lankaa TyTaLuS [9k\]: if i had more time i would learn go, looks really weird josek [3k\]: that escaleted quickly kaljago [2d\]: d9 d10 e9 ...? :PP SoDesuNe [1d?\]: so ugly : D s0urLuc1d [5k\]: clamp TyTaLuS [9k\]: d10 and cut b is alive on both sides kaljago [2d\]: hmh, w would cut through d13 bert [3d\]: d10 Arhiman [3d\]: d10 for bad shape ? ^^ SoDesuNe [1d?\]: no : ( s0urLuc1d [5k\]: c8 xD [1k\]: c8 is bad Arhiman [3d\]: how about d9 then d10 ? Arhiman [3d\]: e9* Arhiman [3d\]: d9 then e9 josek [3k\]: d9 looks really bad s0urLuc1d [5k\]: c8 is fine Arhiman [3d\]: c8 will never be fine kyana [10k\]: why not tenuki? Arhiman [3d\]: to keep the group as weak as possible goren2 [3k\]: tenuki, l3 josek [3k\]: maybe atack bottom first to see if he gets the ladder TyTaLuS [9k\]: well you cant cut with d9 stair is good for w kaljago [2d\]: arhi, d9 d10 e9 c11 b10 c12 or something like that might be a problem for b ] ;B[dj]C[bert [3d\]: there you go SM2012B [-\]: time remaining: W 70, B 30 ] ;W[dk]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: my eyes : ( Blitzbold [2k\]: just got here; do the players have kgs accs? ... and which? kaljago [2d\]: brute force FTW! ] ;B[ek]C[josek [3k\]: cut of course Gorim [2k\]: antti is Tien bert [3d\]: cut first, think later Gorim [2k\]: ?9d xD [1k\]: the cut was the only move SoDesuNe [1d?\]: B10? spar [8k\]: atari first xD [1k\]: dont atari cutting stones TyTaLuS [9k\]: yea SM2012B [-\]: Olli´s account is Governor ] ;W[dm]C[SoDesuNe [1d?\]: corner aji lurking jyka [4k\]: b win by resign Blitzbold [2k\]: thx josek [3k\]: now b is paying for playing gote in the corner jyka [4k\]: thx for watching SM2012c [-\]: thanks you TyTaLuS [9k\]: lol jyka [4k\]: yw xD [1k\]: this is a difficult read goren2 [3k\]: e5 Ikay [15k\]: i don't understand most of their move... Ikay [15k\]: :'( SoDesuNe [1d?\]: don't worry, it's common ^^ Signifier [9k\]: is this handicap game? xD [1k\]: no xD [1k\]: even xD [1k\]: 6.5 komi Signifier [9k\]: ah ok kaljago [2d\]: just f9? jyka [4k\]: e8 ] ;B[en]C[xD [1k\]: b10 now seems necessary kaljago [2d\]: f9 e8 e7 f8 f7 g8 c6 seems like the obvious thing Arhiman [3d\]: drive-suji ? finity [2k\]: kerkäs täällä pelaa? SoDesuNe [1d?\]: think so too :o ] ;W[fk] ;B[el] ;W[em] ;B[fl] ;W[fm]C[SM2012B [-\]: Antti Törmänen 6d W vs. Olli Hella 3d B TyTaLuS [9k\]: w group in the middle of 2 weak groups kyana [10k\]: Ooooh, driving tesuji, just learned about iz SoDesuNe [1d?\]: : ) kaljago [2d\]: oh, b wondering if he should play f10 instead of g8 :) SoDesuNe [1d?\]: Good! kaljago [2d\]: f10 would be sooooo wussy SoDesuNe [1d?\]: F10 is bad, I think :o s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b7 looks nice for w SoDesuNe [1d?\]: free forcing moves s0urLuc1d [5k\]: before b10 maybe ] ;B[gl] ;W[cq]C[xD [1k\]: oh wow jyka [4k\]: sweet child time Arhiman [3d\]: nice move ! jyka [4k\]: bof TonyTiger [-\]: impossible... jyka [4k\]: jai vu mieux jyka [4k\]: d2 et l'affaire est plié mec Arhiman [3d\]: d2 d4 e3 c6 c5 d5 ? bert [3d\]: c7 kaljago [2d\]: "don't worry, this isn't going to hurt one bit" jyka [4k\]: np SM2012B [-\]: looks like Olli doesn´t like this move xD [1k\]: lol Arhiman [3d\]: you betcha ^^ jyka [4k\]: zlatan doing better xD [1k\]: c7 maybe? a trade? jyka [4k\]: is not a trade jyka [4k\]: its a die xD [1k\]: .... jyka [4k\]: corner is more big kaljago [2d\]: arhi, but what happens when c7 then? :) jyka [4k\]: zlatan told me that Arhiman [3d\]: you mean the trade ? kaljago [2d\]: it's too much of a friday night for me to read after that point Arhiman [3d\]: I prefer w in this trade, don't you ? Arhiman [3d\]: what time is it, kaljago ? kaljago [2d\]: 20:36 kaljago [2d\]: I have beer Arhiman [3d\]: oh, that's ok ^^ SM2012B [-\]: time to open another one aye Arhiman [3d\]: and you have beer ? stop complaining ! kaljago [2d\]: incidentally, kalja = beer :) jyka [4k\]: i have just ricard, its ok ? Arhiman [3d\]: it's 3am and I have some disgusting apple juice :( s0urLuc1d [5k\]: still same bottle jyka? josek [3k\]: if not d2, then what? xD [1k\]: apple juice is nasty jyka [4k\]: g5 Arhiman [3d\]: well this one especially jyka [4k\]: ricard is french drink jyka [4k\]: pastis is you prefr xD [1k\]: g5 does not capture white jyka [4k\]: yes, buit can make bobo jyka [4k\]: big bobo * kaljago [2d\]: I'm just wondering if it's a real trade.. i.e. does b die with some big stones TonyTiger [-\]: black should play F6 Arhiman [3d\]: f2 ? Arhiman [3d\]: f2 for fun andrewgo [?\]: hello jyka [4k\]: what about tenuki xD [1k\]: ... Nathan [4k\]: what is the reasoning behind f6? spar [8k\]: b cant have corner TonyTiger [-\]: F6 to either kill E7 or C3 kaljago [2d\]: g5? :P ] ;B[hn]C[Arhiman [3d\]: at least it's fun jyka [4k\]: big for b jyka [4k\]: if w is capture jyka [4k\]: in the border s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b7 now jyka [4k\]: you see zlatan goals ? DrmTs [4k\]: This kills J17? Arhiman [3d\]: time for w to live up to his rank jyka [4k\]: j17 ? its, alive ... TonyTiger [-\]: if b would had played G5 then C6 weakness wouldhad remained kaljago [2d\]: not any more than here, but h6 is a more useful stone kaljago [2d\]: if g5, then w can still escape to the right Arhiman [3d\]: also this geta is more solide :) bert [3d\]: yeah, h6 nice move kaljago [2d\]: anyhow, g5 was just the first idea of "what if not d2?" :) ] ;W[ch]C[Arhiman [3d\]: the only sequence I see result in w getting d3 and e4, and b all the e7 stones s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b11 jyka [4k\]: white have crazy tesuji kaljago [2d\]: w have lots of smoke and mirrors kaljago [2d\]: "cast smoke and mirrors" is a spell people get when they level up to 4 dan josek [3k\]: w is definetely hard to predict jyka [4k\]: b10 xD [1k\]: c12 seems more like an asking move, than a tesuji hemb [3k?\]: d12 seems like the obvious answer... what else might b try? josek [3k\]: at least w is ahead on time Arhiman [3d\]: d12 loses corner s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b11 jyka [4k\]: what given clock ? Arhiman [3d\]: b12 b11 I guess ] ;B[dh]C[josek [3k\]: oh jyka [4k\]: fight Cromagnon [3k\]: not fight save play i think Arhiman [3d\]: f6 ? jyka [4k\]: b resign Cromagnon [3k\]: but perhaps i need to evolve more jyka [4k\]: thx wathcing josek [3k\]: this doesnt look very safe Cromagnon [3k\]: for b yes s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b12 kaljago [2d\]: b12 b13.. can w still live? kaljago [2d\]: making eyes there does not seem that easy ] ;W[gm]C[kaljago [2d\]: although there is the aji around b5 to use.. ] ;B[hm] ;W[hl]C[bartosz [-\]: too many aji to kill Cromagnon [3k\]: too many comments kaljago [2d\]: should at least be able to trade upper left for d stones, but I'm not sure if can have both7 ] ;B[gk]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: why too many comments? kaljago [2d\]: because beer makes you talkative, that's why Cromagnon [3k\]: i was talking about my comments ] ;W[bj] ;B[bh]C[Cromagnon [3k\]: i have no numbers at the side of the board... what can i do ? TonyTiger [-\]: oh no s0urLuc1d [5k\]: get a sharpie TonyTiger [-\]: no w able to live there... kyana [10k\]: Ctrl + L Muttley [2k\]: switch them on in settings, or that Cromagnon [3k\]: :) tx kaljago [2d\]: b wants to kill all :> kaljago [2d\]: go, black! that's the spirit! Arhiman [3d\]: what do you mean ? jyka [4k\]: b7 kill kaljago [2d\]: as good spirits as in my bottle! josek [3k\]: eating g7 would be enough ] ;W[cm] ;B[cn]C[xD [1k\]: i dont see how white can live jyka [4k\]: if w kill, b win ? ] ;W[fo]C[Cromagnon [3k\]: my move ! spar [8k\]: ladder Cromagnon [3k\]: now white attacks s0urLuc1d [5k\]: e11 is threat s0urLuc1d [5k\]: I see how this works.. CBlue [?\]: g5 kaljago [2d\]: w can get at least ko? Cromagnon [3k\]: black d2 kaljago [2d\]: c11 d11 b11 b13 b8 d8 b6 c5 c8 a6 ? jyka [4k\]: no jyka [4k\]: c11, p13, q12, xD [1k\]: too many things complicating this jyka [4k\]: g5 Cromagnon [3k\]: ok if white gets a chance to play d2 what will black do with the corner josek [3k\]: f6 ] ;B[dr]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: Cromagnon, I guess that answers your question Cromagnon [3k\]: yes kaljago [2d\]: ok so w won't die :) jyka [4k\]: Smoke onthe water, fire on the white stone iceweasel [-\]: wonder why b didnt g5 kaljago [2d\]: h6 stones suddenly look a lot more vulnerable spar [8k\]: g5 bad kaljago [2d\]: j8? TyTaLuS [9k\]: i think w can cut d6 josek [3k\]: i dont see why b didnt f6 s0urLuc1d [5k\]: f6 g6 g5 h5 josek [3k\]: h5 h4 jyka [4k\]: sa dait mal a la tete iceweasel [-\]: f6 g6 g5 h5 g4 h4 Cromagnon [3k\]: w f5 ? Arhiman [3d\]: the result doesn't seem that bad for b ! jyka [4k\]: p13 can made big moyo in the center after that josek [3k\]: now looks like b owns a move at e5 josek [3k\]: owes bert [3d\]: yes jyka [4k\]: yes what ? Cromagnon [3k\]: e5 yes SM2012B [-\]: times remaining: W 51, B 10 ] ;W[go]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: big difference Cromagnon [3k\]: spar ? kaljago [2d\]: meh, boring move :< Arhiman [3d\]: can't always have c3 ! :) josek [3k\]: at last a boring ove by w Gardan [?\]: antti thinks about gors kaljago [2d\]: eyes already going "ka-ching!"? :) Arhiman [3d\]: l3 ? s0urLuc1d [5k\]: g3 ] ;B[dp] ;W[fq] ;B[bm]C[kaljago [2d\]: wow, that was painful s0urLuc1d [5k\]: w bamboo master josek [3k\]: l3 looking so big kaljago [2d\]: j8 Arhiman [3d\]: not sure j8 would lead to an advantageous fight here kaljago [2d\]: add one stone? Arhiman [3d\]: m3 kinda big ? josek [3k\]: b7 was necessary? Arhiman [3d\]: or p5 ? ] ;W[bl]C[Nathan [4k\]: h9? josek [3k\]: b8 was necessary? Wirtuoosi [2d\]: j8 would surely show fighting spirit but looks like overplay bert [3d\]: j13 ] ;B[cr]C[SM2012B [-\]: hmmh jyka [4k\]: f2 Arhiman [3d\]: a lot of moves for that corner... ] ;W[il]C[CBlue [?\]: i dont think b has time to play c2 josek [3k\]: was c2 necessary? CBlue [?\]: w was already leading by komi maybe? ] ;B[jn] ;W[kl]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: oh well.. Antti did get some fighting spirit prize at some wagc Gardan [?\]: Wc2 would be annoying at least ] ;B[jp]C[josek [3k\]: this fight seems good for b ] ;W[jq]C[kaljago [2d\]: heh, b will push w to get that m3 ;) ] ;B[kp]C[Snif [3k\]: w did that to prevent b moyo in the center SM2012B [-\]: right you are, kalja ] ;W[ij]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: b should resign now Snif [3k\]: w 5 points ahead ? qingshui [2k\]: amazing, its not even the 100th move yet ] ;B[hh]C[xD [1k\]: g2 is a good point for black for yose xD [1k\]: because if white f2, black can h4 Arhiman [3d\]: n8 ? qingshui [2k\]: m11? ] ;W[gj] ;B[fj] ;W[gi] ;B[fh]C[mw42 [1d\]: where are b points? ] ;W[jh]C[kaljago [2d\]: g2 g3 f2 e3 e1 h2 f1 m2 seems the wrong way to me; l3 bigger ] (;B[kj]C[SM2012B [-\]: sorry, got disconnected ]) (;B[og] ;W[ph] ;B[kj]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: finally p13 ] ;W[lh] ;B[kg] ;W[kh] ;B[mj]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: there are non kaljago [2d\]: p13 is what we call "the black privilege" s0urLuc1d [5k\]: sounds fancy s0urLuc1d [5k\]: 08 goren2 [3k\]: k10? goren2 [3k\]: g12? ] ;W[ih]C[kaljago [2d\]: l3 is kind of huge ] ;B[hg] ;W[ml]C[TonyTiger [-\]: nah. smallish mw42 [1d\]: smallish, lol kaljago [2d\]: compared to dying here, yes, but that's just not gonna happen kaljago [2d\]: it's going to be about whether b manages to invent a way to lose sente here or not ] ;B[oj]C[s0urLuc1d [5k\]: q7 ] ;W[kq]C[SM2012B [-\]: winning move jyka [4k\]: c18 TonyTiger [-\]: b should kill mw42 [1d\]: w is fine mw42 [1d\]: this move is sente Gardan [?\]: hard to kill antei goren2 [3k\]: k7 s0urLuc1d [5k\]: r19 next time w has sente ] ;B[jk]C[mw42 [1d\]: bad move s0urLuc1d [5k\]: w lose g11 mw42 [1d\]: no s0urLuc1d [5k\]: k8 g9 j9 j11 kaljago [2d\]: just connect TonyTiger [-\]: killing is the only choice s0urLuc1d [5k\]: *h11 mw42 [1d\]: i could read that, ty ] ;W[jl] ;B[lq]C[SM2012B [-\]: Olli in Byo-yomi s0urLuc1d [5k\]: yw goren2 [3k\]: m10? kaljago [2d\]: m10 possible now if w wants josek [3k\]: how many periods? ] ;W[ni]C[Muttley [2k\]: 1 move, 1 minute SM2012B [-\]: 1min x 1 Muttley [2k\]: so not about "periods" Muttley [2k\]: standard serious game rate :) kaljago [2d\]: p8 looks interesting if b connects.. ] ;B[mi] ;W[mh]C[TyTaLuS [9k\]: so TyTaLuS [9k\]: how did this end? ] ;B[nj]C[xD [1k\]: this is live TyTaLuS [9k\]: didnt end yet? mw42 [1d\]: why not resign ] ;W[ol]C[kaljago [2d\]: b still hopes to kill? xD [1k\]: they are still playing TyTaLuS [9k\]: k TyTaLuS [9k\]: ty ] ;B[oi] ;W[oh] ;B[nh] ;W[ng]C[x0000 [-\]: ko is not good ] ;B[mg] ;W[ni]C[goren2 [3k\]: there will be blood ] ;B[pk]C[kaljago [2d\]: is o14 a local threat or not? :D kaljago [2d\]: if w is just trying to live TonyTiger [-\]: :) ] ;W[mf] ;B[om]C[goren2 [3k\]: m2 goren2 [3k\]: mqybe b18 mw42 [1d\]: o17 maybe ] ;W[nc] ;B[oc]C[kaljago [2d\]: if w is a super-wuss and plays o12, who has more points? I haven't even estimated.. ] ;W[md] ;B[me] ;W[le]C[kaljago [2d\]: I'm just wondering if there's, like, any point in this game right now.. it's kind of felt like b getting pounded for a while now mw42 [1d\]: o12 would have been an awful move zife [-\]: eiköhän tää oo tässä kaljago [2d\]: I don't disagree with that ] ;B[nf]C[zife [-\]: komi on liian iso ] ;W[lg]C[kaljago [2d\]: well, now it certainly is doen josek [3k\]: ... ] ;B[mc]C[xD [1k\]: i think black can still win if he plays good yose mw42 [1d\]: no, xD mw42 [1d\]: not even god himself could win this in yose kaljago [2d\]: I still haven't estimated, but no, not after that exchange goren2 [3k\]: i think w has about60 points, b about 50 jyka [4k\]: over ] ;W[lr] ;B[mq] ;W[mr] ;B[ll]C[mw42 [1d\]: bad move kaljago [2d\]: b gets the two stones kaljago [2d\]: it's legit yose, no? josek [3k\]: so does w ] ;W[lm] ;B[lk]C[josek [3k\]: or not mw42 [1d\]: i'm pretty sure w kills h7 now ] ;W[kn] ;B[jm] ;W[km]C[xD [1k\]: j11 for black can get something? kaljago [2d\]: no ] ;B[nr]C[Nino [2k\]: o7 looks like fun goren2 [3k\]: b18 kaljago [2d\]: or wait maybe the two stones if you want peanuts : ] ;W[ip]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: how does w respond to h11 ] ;B[io]C[kaljago [2d\]: h11 k10 xD [1k\]: how does he respond to j11 kaljago [2d\]: j11 k11 ] ;W[nm]C[Wirtuoosi [2d\]: ah right liberty trouble if tries to push j9 then ] ;B[pm] ;W[qn] ;B[qj] ;W[rj] ;B[qi] ;W[ri] ;B[kb]C[mw42 [1d\]: b cannot tenuki mw42 [1d\]: okay Nino [2k\]: n5? mw42 [1d\]: l5 josek [3k\]: n5 good ] ;W[mo]C[PabloRR [16k\]: for real kaljago [2d\]: res jyka [4k\]: m5 josek [3k\]: yes goren2 [3k\]: ok, done goren2 [3k\]: resigned mw42 [1d\]: resign only move ] ;B[lp]C[Cromagnon [3k\]: lol n5 no good ... why ? josek ] ;W[oo]C[kaljago [2d\]: ..... not resign?! mw42 [1d\]: he said n5 good atoris [6k\]: au mw42 [1d\]: lrn2rd Cromagnon [3k\]: oh i misread i thought u said no good SM2012B [-\]: w+res SoDesuNe [1d?\]: nice SoDesuNe [1d?\]: thanks scribe =) mw42 [1d\]: ty SM2012B [-\]: thank you for watching ! Tomorrow we get more games mw42 [1d\]: gg Gardan [?\]: ktos jyka [4k\]: no YliGo [-\]: OLLILLE TSEMPPIÄ HUOMISEEN jyka [4k\]: he can live jyka [4k\]: o12 josek [3k\]: o12 nothing PabloRR [16k\]: Thanks SM2012B. Keep it real jyka [4k\]: o12, n13,q11, s13,o8 jyka [4k\]: then, o9, n9 jyka [4k\]: its work s0urLuc1d [5k\]: ah snapback s0urLuc1d [5k\]: i see jyka [4k\]: but jyka [4k\]: whatever, b as not so much terrotry s0urLuc1d [5k\]: lol ]))