(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship League Round 4 Board 2]PW[Antti Törmänen]PB[Lauri Paatero]WR[6d]BR[4d]DT[2012-11-18]EV[Finnish Championship League]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Darchik]C[SM2012B [-\]: Good morning!
Pl4typus [12k\]: Has the game already already begun in there?
SM2012B [-\]: not yet
SM2012B [-\]: waiting for players to start
Hufsa [2d\]: antti powah!
Ukasuhs [3d\]: the tormanator
]
;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[pq]
;W[cp]
;B[ep]
;W[qo]
;B[pm]
;W[oo]
;B[np]C[Gouda [?\]: p5 at n4 would be an option?
]
;W[lo]
;B[no]
;W[on]
;B[mn]
;W[om]C[ChshireCat [2d\]: n4 would be poorly placed after q5 or so
Arhiman [3d\]: I don't think this sequence would be good in this situation gouda
]
;B[qp]
;W[rp]
;B[rq]
;W[pj]
;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[dq]
;W[bo]
;B[dn]
;W[cm]
;B[ip]
;W[qf]
;B[nc]
;W[de]
;B[jc]
;W[hc]
;B[qh]
;W[ph]
;B[pi]
;W[oi]
;B[qi]
;W[pg]
;B[qj]
;W[pk]
;B[rl]
;W[rn]
;B[rg]C[finity [2k\]: looks like normal Antti's game: I have no idea where he'll get points
gergs: ^ +1 :)
]
;W[rf]C[iuyu: s16
]
;B[qk]C[finity [2k\]: D11 would be calm :)
]
;W[qc]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]
;B[pc]
;W[rb]
;B[qb]
;W[rc]
;B[je]
;W[pl]C[kaljago [1d\]: this is even calmer. "Points? I don't need points. I'm going to win this anyway."
]
;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;B[cg]
;W[kq]C[Pl4typus [12k\]: he's so random :3
]
;B[iq]C[kaljago [1d\]: play on left side and here was miai?
]
;W[ln]C[gergs: white does have very few points now, not being able to secure left side
gergs: but black lost quite a few as well from the top right from before, so..
]
;B[mq]C[kaljago [1d\]: something like c11 should get quite a few points on the left side..
TurtleDove [5k\]: good fighting game. no big areas
]
;W[jn]
;B[dd]
;W[ed]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[bd]C[gergs: difficult to build the center even
Pl4typus [12k\]: Antti's game is far to complex for me :)
]
;W[fe]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: e17 ?
Goprince [4d\]: e17 just bad
]
;B[cj]C[ogolony [-\]: c12 ?
TurtleDove [5k\]: n7
]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[jd]C[kaljago [1d\]: hm, now this game looks good for white :)
]
;B[md]
;W[id]
;B[mf]C[SteveDC [5k\]: lookin at cash, b is 30 points ahead atm
]
;W[hn]
;B[br]
;W[ar]
;B[bs]C[kaljago [1d\]: more like 15-20
]
;W[go]
;B[fp]
;W[mm]
;B[bl]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: :)
kaljago [1d\]: but w has a lot more potential.. there's going to be some points in front of that p7 wall
]
;W[cl]
;B[bm]C[SteveDC [5k\]: making points in front of a wall, so dirty...
]
;W[cn]
;B[ck]
;W[el]C[kaljago [1d\]: b l4 looks pretty big too, though
SteveDC [5k\]: but true, all b can do now is try to limit w, nothiong to build more for b...
]
;B[ej]
;W[ir]
;B[hr]
;W[jr]C[SteveDC [5k\]: i still count less than 30 for w and about 55 for b
SteveDC [5k\]: not lookin' t center
]
;B[gq]
;W[lr]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: I count only 40 for B :D
]
;B[im]C[gergs: 49 for b is my count
kaljago [1d\]: ~45
]
;W[op]C[gergs: 24 for w without center
SteveDC [5k\]: 15 left, 12 bottom left, 8 bottom right, 8 right, 12 top
kaljago [1d\]: you should imagine w yose first before counting
SteveDC [5k\]: i take equal yose in account
]
;B[oq]
;W[nr]C[kaljago [1d\]: hmh.. I tend to count secure territory
]
;B[mr]C[finity [2k\]: with Antti equal yose may be invalid assumption
]
;W[ms]C[SteveDC [5k\]: true :)
]
;B[or]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: if W has a play to take away the point, I don't count it
TonyTiger [-\]: S2
furr [?\]: and what should he assume then instead?
furr [?\]: imagine white superior yose?
SteveDC [5k\]: yesterday antii took back over 10 points in yose...
]
;W[in]C[furr [?\]: I have hard time with idiots
TurtleDove [5k\]: no, applies to both
]
;B[sp]
;W[so]
;B[ro]C[SteveDC [5k\]: anyways still seems hard to come back over 20 points by building center territory and yose...
TonyTiger [-\]: white can gain much here
]
;W[dg]
;B[ch]
;W[rp]
;B[kp]
;W[lp]
;B[ro]
;W[cf]
;B[bf]
;W[rp]
;B[lq]
;W[jp]
;B[ro]C[TonyTiger [-\]: if he had ko threats...
]
;W[gk]
;B[li]
;W[rp]C[TonyTiger [-\]: M11 not good... b gave white more ko threats
TaksiMies [3k\]: b t3 ends up gote, right?
iuyu: b has already five groups
TonyTiger [-\]: I don't think b t3 is possible because of white r2
TonyTiger [-\]: that's why the t4 ko was bad in the first place
]
;B[jq]
;W[ko]
;B[ro]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[rp]C[TonyTiger [-\]: M13 is why M11 is bad
]
;B[qr]
;W[sq]
;B[sr]
;W[mh]
;B[lh]
;W[kg]
;B[jh]
;W[jg]C[TaksiMies [3k\]: kibitz can start re-calculete points now :)
]
;B[gj]
;W[hk]C[finity [2k\]: just use SE, it already tells W+96.5
kaljago [1d\]: W+367.5
]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]
;B[ig]
;W[if]
;B[ih]C[TaksiMies [3k\]: What can us kyu players do without Randy
TurtleDove [5k\]: you were so right about m11 Tiger.
Gardan [?\]: even antti should be able keep that lead
TurtleDove [5k\]: W gaining by attacking it all the time
]
;W[fj]
;B[fi]
;W[fk]
;B[hf]
;W[ie]
;B[ij]C[TonyTiger [-\]: rather complicated endgame
]
;W[gg]C[TonyTiger [-\]: I would had no idea where to start
finity [2k\]: yes, hard to say what will happen, but I feel optimistic for white
]
;B[hg]C[iuyu: e11 and sixth group ?
TonyTiger [-\]: no need to worry about the group count if they are all alive :)
kaljago [1d\]: l9 ?
gergs: playing the cut seems risky
TurtleDove [5k\]: I like L9. threatens k10 and the cut at L12
]
;W[jj]C[TonyTiger [-\]: K10 nice
TonyTiger [-\]: now E11 a lot more scary
iuyu: yeah
]
;B[ji]
;W[kj]
;B[mj]
;W[mi]
;B[lj]C[klausP [4d?\]: is there a weblink to tournament standing?
klausP [4d?\]: hm e11 now?
klausP [4d?\]: i cant see black alive
apina [1d\]: http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/SM-sarja2012
klausP [4d?\]: thanks
apina [1d\]: no real standings, but there are results
]
;W[ei]C[apina [1d\]: it's 6 player tournament and only 9 games played
]
;B[gh]
;W[hi]C[finity [2k\]: huh
]
;B[eh]
;W[gi]C[dyddsul [1k\]: ouch
finity [2k\]: wow
]
;B[di]
;W[ii]C[finity [2k\]: starts to feel harder for black to win on points
klausP [4d?\]: w declines to fight for kiling all
klausP [4d?\]: he has a saver win idea
klausP [4d?\]: and this is sente
Muttley [2k\]: komi 6.5?
SM2012A [-\]: yes
Muttley [2k\]: thx
]
;B[fg]
;W[ab]
;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[hb]
;W[ac]C[Muttley [2k\]: I have white about 3.5 ahead
TonyTiger [-\]: A17 nice
Muttley [2k\]: need to B13 I guess
]
;B[be]C[finity [2k\]: unless Antti screws up, should be winning at least by komi
TonyTiger [-\]: B15
]
;W[gb]
;B[ib]C[Muttley [2k\]: ah, ok, yeah
Muttley [2k\]: better
]
;W[gf]
;B[hh]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qa]
;B[fn]
;W[hp]
;B[hq]C[TonyTiger [-\]: some aji around G16
]
;W[sg]
;B[sh]
;W[sf]
;B[sj]
;W[qg]
;B[rh]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]
;W[ml]
;B[gm]
;W[hm]
;B[he]
;W[gd]C[TonyTiger [-\]: b should had gotten more
]
;B[lf]
;W[kf]
;B[of]
;W[qm]C[TonyTiger [-\]: this way: e15 e14 g15 f14 g16 f16 h15 g17 
klausP [4d?\]: save win for w now
]
;B[nj]C[klausP [4d?\]: i dont see, where black can cause trouble
]
;W[ng]
;B[nf]
;W[ad]
;B[bg]C[klausP [4d?\]: q4 nnow
]
;W[le]C[Arhiman [3d\]: I wonder why w played p11 and not r11
]
;B[ic]
;W[hd]C[Arhiman [3d\]: b didn't have the two shicho
]
;B[ff]
;W[ge]C[SM2012B [-\]: W+res
Arhiman [3d\]: w 57 b 51
SM2012B [-\]: Thanks for watching!
SM2012c [-\]: Thanks SM2012B!
finity [2k\]: yes, thanks!
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