(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship League Round 5 Board 3]PW[Juri Kuronen]PB[Antti Törmänen]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2012-11-18]EV[Finnish Championship League]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Arto Heikkinen]C[shakti [-\]: go Antti!
ssc [2d?\]: go go igo!
ssc [2d?\]: ^^
SM2012c [-\]: Hi everyone! The players have arrived. Game will start in a few minutes
Minjhou [-\]: k10
gooooo [4k?\]: sm, any eurogostream?
SM2012c [-\]: Both players have a big can of beer
SM2012c [-\]: Vesa also
gooooo [4k?\]: they have any special rules for when they have to drink?
Naphthalin [2d?\]: what beer do you drink in finland?
gooooo [4k?\]: ;)
]
;B[eg]C[TonyTiger [-\]: lol
TonyTiger [-\]: no
Naphthalin [2d?\]: deer beer?
TonyTiger [-\]: not this kind of game
Hufsa [2d\]: haha :P
Minjhou [-\]: E13, beer move
gooooo [4k?\]: a sip every time you lose a stone
]
;W[pd]C[Pl [2k\]: Does this game count for anything, or is it for fun?
Lacrimosa [?\]: are you sure it's a stone and not a beer stain
]
;B[go]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: it's a tooth
Juippi [2d\]: antti doesn't want to reveal his true power yet...
Javaness [2d\]: black has gone nuts
liyue [-\]: black is creative..
ChoMama [-\]: it won't be dull, that's for sure
zife [-\]: http://gooften.net/2012/04/01/new-opening-theory/
Dent [2d\]: wtf
gooooo [4k?\]: first of april, awesome
]
;W[pq]
;B[fc]C[Minjhou [-\]: lol
]
;W[do]C[Dent [2d\]: อ้าตสรัส
SM2012A [-\]: "comment from Matti from the side "sitä se kalja teettää" (this is what beer does to you)
]
;B[md]C[zife [-\]: hitto, valkonen ei passannu
Juippi [2d\]: a bit more april 20th kind of stuff if you ask me
fatih [2d\]: black leading 
]
;W[pf]C[gooooo [4k?\]: sm2012a, is this a serious game? :)
]
;B[mg]C[SM2012A [-\]: in a manner of speaking
]
;W[ph]C[kasuaali [?\]: gooo, the results won't matter though, unless something really surprising happens they both go to the final
SM2012A [-\]: both have allready secured their place in the finals so, only glory and gors to fight for
]
;B[en]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: don't leave us sm2012c!
]
;W[dn]
;B[dm]C[SM2012c [-\]: everything ok
Dent [2d\]: สวัสดี
]
;W[cm]
;B[cl]
;W[bl]C[ChoMama [-\]: in what way is this fuseki different from whjat sum used to play as B?
Redo [3k\]: one more hane please
Redo [3k\]: unfortunately sum hasn't played like this in a long time.. those games were interesting :P
]
;B[ck]C[Beowulf [3d?\]: whats this?
]
;W[bn]C[hitaus [4k\]: who's afraid of hane
Beowulf [3d?\]: they play in funny position
Dent [2d\]: interesting
hitaus [4k\]: is there such a thing as high submarine
hitaus [4k\]: well, that's needed here
]
;B[em]
;W[mi]
;B[li]
;W[lj]
;B[ki]
;W[mj]C[Beowulf [3d?\]: H18 should live
]
;B[qn]
;W[ql]
;B[qq]
;W[qp]
;B[pp]
;W[rq]
;B[qr]
;W[po]
;B[op]
;W[qo]
;B[rr]C[jokkebk [-\]: Antti and Namii are blitzing away :)
Beowulf [3d?\]: le me think invading the TL corner is better
KingPing [2k?\]: o5 joseki if i recall right
hitaus [4k\]: Beowulf, what would be the right gote for top left?
]
;W[kg]C[Beowulf [3d?\]: o5 joseki in Gote
Beowulf [3d?\]: b enclose the TL
Dent [2d\]: สวัสดี
Beowulf [3d?\]: gorgeous probe
]
;B[kd]
;W[dc]
;B[kj]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: สวัสดี
Dent [2d\]: ดีแอล
Dent [2d\]: *-*
KoreaFace [4d\]: เคลียมุมก่อน
TonyTiger [-\]: ดีอล
KoreaFace [4d\]: ดีคับ โทนี่ 
Dent [2d\]: hello Tony
KoreaFace [4d\]: p5 เซนเต้ป่ะ 
Dent [2d\]: yes P5 Sente
TonyTiger [-\]: hello indeed dent
Dent [2d\]: ^^
TonyTiger [-\]: ^^^
]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]
;W[ed]
;B[oo]
;W[pn]
;B[on]
;W[om]
;B[nm]
;W[ol]C[Dent [2d\]: ดำไม่ดีปะเนี่ยแบบนี้
Dent [2d\]: -_-
KoreaFace [4d\]: อื้ม
Dent [2d\]: แต้มหายไปเยอแล้ว
KoreaFace [4d\]: C13 ขาว ดำรับไงอ่ะ
]
;B[lm]C[Dent [2d\]: ไม่รู้แฮะ
]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]C[jokkebk [-\]: white has too much profit on the right?
KoreaFace [4d\]: k9
Dent [2d\]: คิดว่าใคจะชนะ
KoreaFace [4d\]: 9i'ouhle8yP,kd 
KoreaFace [4d\]: ตรงนี้
KoreaFace [4d\]: สำคัญมาก
KoreaFace [4d\]: น่าจะเดาได้ตอน เดินไปแล้ว 80เม็ด 
]
;W[hq]
;B[fq]C[Dent [2d\]: บุกมาอีกทางแล้ว
]
;W[kq]
;B[lr]C[TonyTiger [-\]: b to kill
Dent [2d\]: โห
KoreaFace [4d\]:  k9 m12 ยังมีปัญหา
Dent [2d\]: ขาวจะรอดเหรอเนี่ย
KoreaFace [4d\]: ขาวน่าจะรอดไม่ยาก
]
;W[ll]
;B[kl]
;W[mk]
;B[jk]
;W[km]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: แป่ว
]
;B[lk]
;W[lq]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: เน่าและ
Dent [2d\]: ขาวรีบเดินจังเลย
KoreaFace [4d\]: กลัวเวลาหมด
]
;B[mq]
;W[kk]C[Dent [2d\]: ผมเหนเวลาตั้ง ชั่วโมงครึ่ง
Dent [2d\]: อ่านในกฎมัน
gooooo [4k?\]: ?
]
;B[jl]C[Dent [2d\]: MainTime 1:30:00
]
;W[mp]
;B[nq]
;W[mm]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: เตะบอล 
]
;B[ln]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: -*-
]
;W[mn]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: ดำกากเลยๆ 
]
;B[lo]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: ตัดไม่ได้ด้วย
]
;W[mo]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: แต่มีแต้ม 
Dent [2d\]: [6di^h;btu[6dfu0y'
]
;B[jn]C[Dent [2d\]: ขาวบุกดีจัง
Dent [2d\]: -_-
KoreaFace [4d\]: ดำเดินมะมีแต้ม
KoreaFace [4d\]: ได้แค่ลดๆ เสียมือด้วย
Dent [2d\]: ขาวบุกเก่งนะ
hitaus [4k\]: nothing to kill
Dent [2d\]: พี่บุกไม่ได้งี้อะ ไม่พริ้วพอ
Dent [2d\]: -_-
Dent [2d\]: เจอพวกเปิด 5-4 บุก แล้วหนักๆ
Dent [2d\]: อันนี้พริ้วกว่า
KoreaFace [4d\]: ขาวนำแล้ว 
KoreaFace [4d\]: วัดใจ
KoreaFace [4d\]: ว่าจะขายมั้ย
KoreaFace [4d\]: 3เด
KoreaFace [4d\]: เอาเซนเต้ไปเดิน 2 จุด
]
;W[dq]C[Dent [2d\]: อ้าวขายเหรอ
Dent [2d\]: - -
KoreaFace [4d\]: ไม่
KoreaFace [4d\]: มี L2
KoreaFace [4d\]: G2
Dent [2d\]: เปนพี่เชื่อมทำมาดา
KoreaFace [4d\]: *-*
]
;B[dr]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: แบบนี้ค่อยเชื่อม
KoreaFace [4d\]: ถาดำว่า จะเข้ามุม ไหม
gooooo [4k?\]: any more rounds today?
]
;W[er]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: i hope not
jokkebk [-\]: no, this is the last
]
;B[eq]C[kasuaali [?\]: Last, ever.
]
;W[cr]
;B[fr]C[KoreaFace [4d\]: ขาวพัง 
jokkebk [-\]: I surely hope last time Antti and Namii play this fuseki
jokkebk [-\]: too high level for me
SM2012A [-\]: it's a 6 player round robin so 5 rounds are all you get
PaYPPPP [4k\]: m4 for now?
Vinicius [2d\]: yes
]
;W[lp]C[PaYPPPP [4k\]: is d4 a good choice to attack?
]
;B[de]
;W[gd]
;B[hc]C[Goprince [4d\]: seems black lost
ChoMama [-\]: seems small for now because doesnt kill. bigger things on board
jokkebk [-\]: yes, very much like it
Dent [2d\]: B play so funny
]
;W[cd]
;B[ce]
;W[bd]
;B[db]
;W[cb]C[Dent [2d\]: i like him
]
;B[eb]C[jokkebk [-\]: maybe the interesting thing will be, how much black loses
]
;W[gg]C[jokkebk [-\]: the fuseki must've been like -10 points at least
Dent [2d\]: lol
]
;B[hd]
;W[ff]C[Dent [2d\]: no point for B 
jokkebk [-\]: R17 soon?
KingPing [2k?\]: status of corner still unsettled?
jokkebk [-\]: I'd say white could live on both sides
KingPing [2k?\]: UL i mean
hitaus [4k\]: KingPing, looks W is alive on top left, and not even having hard time, and top right, surely unsettled at the moment
]
;B[be]
;W[hf]C[ChoMama [-\]: amazing to think that l13 is still useful. it seems doubtful at best when it was played
hitaus [4k\]: ChoMama, aren't good probes normally effective for long time?
]
;B[ee]C[ChoMama [-\]: hehe, gues the 'good' ones are :)
Dent [2d\]: way of white stone to invest B moyo is so good
Dent [2d\]: invade*
]
;W[eh]C[qwazidan [?\]: *infest
KingPing [2k?\]: *destroy
Goprince [4d\]: overplay
ChoMama [-\]: it makes me wonder if W had seen the need to come into B center later on when l13 played
]
;B[dh]
;W[fg]
;B[ei]
;W[fh]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: i thought this fuseki was about getting this big black sea
TonyTiger [-\]: R17?
]
;B[hh]
;W[dg]
;B[ch]
;W[hg]
;B[he]
;W[cg]
;B[bg]C[hitaus [4k\]: how many checks before checkmate?
TonyTiger [-\]: no need to checkmate if you can stalemate
]
;W[dd]C[KingPing [2k?\]: b19
hitaus [4k\]: I thought W would play F11 before gote for eye
]
;B[ba]
;W[bb]
;B[ca]
;W[ih]
;B[hi]
;W[ef]
;B[df]
;W[fi]
;B[jf]
;W[di]
;B[ci]
;W[dj]C[hitaus [4k\]: K13 looks important before making living
Naphthalin [2d?\]: looks like w lives :)
]
;B[ej]C[hitaus [4k\]: or is an eye enough to get a resignation?
Naphthalin [2d?\]: oh lol
Muttley [2k\]: ladder fine to get H11?
Hiridur [1k\]: nope
]
;W[cj]
;B[bj]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]
;W[bf]
;B[ah]
;W[ae]
;B[af]
;W[ag]C[TonyTiger [-\]: white forgot to playu F15 first
KingPing [2k?\]: w can chicken out with f15 anytime imo
whuang [2d\]: Yeah
whuang [2d\]: But w not chicken
kurii [2d\]: he can't?
kurii [2d\]: If black takes ko he can take away B17 eye
TonyTiger [-\]: yes but would had been easier to play f15 first and then take the profit later
Arctic [4d\]: kurii, w just connects a16 
]
;B[nl]
;W[nn]
;B[af]C[kurii [2d\]: ah right
]
;W[ad]
;B[cf]
;W[fj]
;B[ek]C[TonyTiger [-\]: this is so painful
]
;W[fe]
;B[eg]
;W[hj]
;B[ii]
;W[ge]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: why not a18
Naphthalin [2d?\]: instead of g15?
hitaus [4k\]: J11 + K13 seemed like a good combination to delay gote
erkkierkki [3k\]: a18 g15
erkkierkki [3k\]: then white need b17 anyways
ix7 [4k?\]: more points for w
]
;B[qc]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: probably doesn't want b to have the huge ko threat
]
;W[pc]
;B[pb]C[KingPing [2k?\]: better in endgame terms as well
]
;W[qd]
;B[rb]
;W[rc]
;B[qb]
;W[ds]C[Muttley [2k\]: all to play for ...
]
;B[rd]
;W[re]
;B[sc]C[beispiel [7d\]: o17 
beispiel [7d\]: l2 is also very big now
beispiel [7d\]: but o17 has good follow up moves
]
;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[mh]
;B[og]C[nidza92 [-\]: just o17 without r16 would have been better
]
;W[ng]
;B[nf]
;W[nh]C[beispiel [7d\]: s14 s14 may work now
]
;B[of]C[beispiel [7d\]: so I didn't think much of n12 and so on
]
;W[pg]
;B[se]
;W[rf]C[goren2 [3k\]: 018
beispiel [7d\]: l2 k3 s4 looks good too
goren2 [3k\]: maybe t3?
]
;B[kr]
;W[jo]
;B[lk]
;W[ml]
;B[kn]
;W[jr]
;B[sf]
;W[sg]
;B[sd]
;W[rg]
;B[rp]
;W[ro]
;B[sq]
;W[ob]C[jokkebk [-\]: huh, black isn't losing that much anymore?
]
;B[so]
;W[rn]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]
;B[sp]C[Gibbon: will Tien come back in yose like yesterday?
KingPing [2k?\]: s7, why wait?
fatih [2d\]: n18 maybe
]
;W[mb]C[whuang [2d\]: Which player's tien?
Sheriffi [-\]: black
Gibbon: b is
KingPing [2k?\]: the one who might come back in yose
whuang [2d\]: okay
Muttley [2k\]: Antti
whuang [2d\]: thx
hylkeliini: b has 65+ points?
hylkeliini: sorry. white
hylkeliini: b?
hylkeliini: 45+
Gibbon: hard to read which is bigger
hylkeliini: really.
hylkeliini: i think w leads clearly.
Gibbon: I'm tlking about reducing vs defending for w
whuang [2d\]: S7 for later, tho white has lots of good endgame sequences
]
;B[lb]C[Gibbon: *for b
snowman [-\]: no mutual destruction this time
hylkeliini: 55 or thereabouts for b.
hylkeliini: max
Gibbon: I feel like it is the right choice
hylkeliini: i just don't see a comeback.
whuang [2d\]: haha
Gibbon: come on man, let us enjoy our hopes
]
;W[in]C[whuang [2d\]: Antti isn't gonna give up easily, so let's watch the fun while it lasts
TonyTiger [-\]: let's watch the agony while it lasts
goren2 [3k\]: b 65, w 75 including komi
hylkeliini: very nice hane.
goren2 [3k\]: s7.  ends with ente.
goren2 [3k\]: sente
hylkeliini: btw ente = duck (german). 
goren2 [3k\]: btw, ich kan deutsch sprechen
hylkeliini: the bird.
Naphthalin [2d?\]: auf KGS können alle deutsch^^
marvin [2k\]: ich nicht
]
;B[im]
;W[ko]
;B[jm]
;W[hn]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: hm, why did i just found two 2€-coins from finland in my wallet?
KingPing [2k?\]: können und sprechen ist ja auch noch ein unterschied...
katil [1k\]: auch nicht
]
;B[rm]
;W[qm]C[KingPing [2k?\]: w playing so sharp, must he?
]
;B[sl]C[hylkeliini: "er findet kein unterschied zwischen mensch und tier" .. or what was it that was sung in one song by rammstein.
goren2 [3k\]: gonnna be a nice ko
SM2012A [-\]: Juri cleared a difficult hurdle. after tragicaly running out of beer he managed to bum more from the scribe :)
hitaus [4k\]: Naphthalin, those were put in there to remind you there're no bills anymore
]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: lol :D
]
;W[fp]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: xD hitaus
Naphthalin [2d?\]: luckily there are some
goren2 [3k\]: yeah, this  is problematic
Naphthalin [2d?\]: @SM2012A: what kind of beer are they drinking?
snowman [-\]: karhu, of course
goren2 [3k\]: finnbrau
]
;B[ep]
;W[eo]C[hitaus [4k\]: bear beer, naturally
]
;B[fo]
;W[gp]
;B[ir]C[TonyTiger [-\]: time to resign
Naphthalin [2d?\]: deer beer :P
]
;W[ks]C[Naphthalin [2d?\]: i get w+20
hylkeliini: jetzt h4
Naphthalin [2d?\]: k3 first?
Naphthalin [2d?\]: ah no, bad
erkkierkki [3k\]: does this mean that white goes 5-0 and black 4-1 and they meet at finals?
hylkeliini: yes. nothing of huge import at stage here.
hylkeliini: stake
hitaus [4k\]: B is just tiring W for finals
TonyTiger [-\]: a couple of gors maybe
hitaus [4k\]: letting him sip one too many
SM2012c [-\]: w has 48 minutes left. b has 26 minutes left
beispiel [7d\]: but this seems disastrous for B
]
;B[ms]
;W[iq]
;B[ho]
;W[io]
;B[hp]
;W[gq]
;B[rk]
;W[mf]C[zife [-\]: keijumaa kutsuu
]
;B[ma]
;W[nb]
;B[gk]
;W[fk]
;B[fl]C[beispiel [7d\]: 60 pnts for B vs 70 for W 
gergsf: black needs some yose magic
gergsf: when is the final?
hylkeliini: maybe next month.
]
;W[le]C[beispiel [7d\]: I think W can be relied on to make some huge endgame mistakes ;-)
]
;B[ld]
;W[ke]C[beispiel [7d\]: f9 f8 exchange loses pnts
]
;B[je]
;W[qj]
;B[rj]
;W[ri]C[TonyTiger [-\]: yes. that is very huge
]
;B[bk]C[beispiel [7d\]: before l15, W needs to play j14 j15 
]
;W[al]C[gergsf: G10 is huge
]
;B[co]
;W[cp]C[hylkeliini: try g7 for a w counter
fj [5d\]: obviously B is desperate and will resign soon
TonyTiger [-\]: desperate house white
]
;B[qk]
;W[pk]
;B[si]
;W[rh]
;B[gj]C[klabauter [2d\]: o15 ?
]
;W[gl]C[gergsf: o15 doesn't work for white
]
;B[hl]
;W[fn]
;B[gn]
;W[gm]
;B[fm]
;W[hm]C[CountDooku [4k\]: res
Nande [1d\]: resign?
ix7 [4k?\]: j4 f6 d8 
]
;B[dk]
;W[hk]
;B[gi]C[TonyTiger [-\]: now resign
]
;W[il]C[gergsf: yeah, it's done
SM2012c [-\]: b resigns
SM2012c [-\]: thyx all for great kibiz!
klabauter [2d\]: gerg, how not?
SM2012c [-\]: thx I mean
ix7 [4k?\]: thanks or the translation!
Reym [-\]: thanks
beispiel [7d\]: excellent transaction by W
])
