(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship Final]PW[Juuso Nyyssönen]PB[Juri Kuronen]WR[5Peruvian]BR[6Peruvian]DT[2015-12-19]EV[Finnish Championship]RO[1]PC[Mysterious location]WT[YliGo]BT[Ego]AN[Johannes "jlaire" Laire]US[Johannes "jlaire" Laire]C[Eilinen [-\]: Voittaakohan Kuri Juronen taas
slim76 [1d\]: Juri johtaa keskinäisissä peleissä 12-8
SM2015a [?\]: juri voitti nigirin
slim76 [1d\]: edellisen kerran sama finaalikaksikko oli kolme vuotta peräkkäin vuosina 1993-95, Vesa-Matti tietty
Gardan [?\]: vahva
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;B[qd]C[U [?\]: antti should be honorary champion this year
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;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]C[SM2015a [?\]: "voisin käydä... mietintäpaskalla"
Pyoveli [2d\]: jäätävää kibitziä
Werfeus [5d\]: no se oli tommonen saunan hiljentäjä heti kärkeen
snowman [-\]: pics or didn't happen
SM2015a [?\]: darchik otti kuvan setupista, laittaa jossain vaiheessa jakoon
Gardan [?\]: tarttee lämmittää kiuas uusiks
SM2015a [?\]: pelipaikkana on tyhjä kämppä mihin roudattiin just pöytä ja tietokone
Werfeus [5d\]: Black (Namii) leads white (Prodigious) 12-8 in tournament games. Juri is the reigning champion while Juuso took the title previous year.
SM2015a [?\]: Juri has a winning streak of almost 20 tournament games in finland
SM2015a [?\]: hasn't lost in over a year
SM2015a [?\]: Juri is back
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;B[oc]C[Javaness [2d\]: back in black
resusou: how old is Juri?
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;W[qn]C[SM2015a [?\]: older than Juuso
emerick [2k\]: Ah Finland, Go, and javelin throw =)
Werfeus [5d\]: 26, Juuso is 23
resusou: thx
resusou: It has still a place to get stronger for him
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;B[qk]C[something [1d\]: black is going to win
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;W[np]C[resusou: early to say that
something [1d\]: it is early, and yet I have enough confidence to say it based on the first 7 moves -.-
Werfeus [5d\]: pro games: 25 times b plays q6 with a success rate of 36%. 11 times at r5 with a success rate of 73%
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;B[pn]C[snowman [-\]: still in the book, 46 pro games in the database
SM2015a [?\]: uh oh
Werfeus [5d\]: there was also once o5 (100%)
snowman [-\]: 33
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;B[qo]
;W[pq]
;B[fc]C[Avari [?\]: personally, i hate black position in bottom-right
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;W[cf]C[Avari [?\]: some call it joseki, i call it carbage
Eilinen [-\]: Noh, eiköhän se tilastotieteilijä Juri oo katellu tilastot valmiiksi ja sen mukaan pellailee
ofbusy [-\]: i m not fan of it either
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;B[jd]C[potabobo [2k\]: cabbage?
something [1d\]: cabbage is a very common alternative to joseki
Werfeus [5d\]: I go r7
ofbusy [-\]: what about something like f3 ?
something [1d\]: for white?
ofbusy [-\]: yes
Eilinen [-\]: Hmm too early for something like o16?
snowman [-\]: plenty of choice
something [1d\]: r7 is nice since black omitted s4
snowman [-\]: o16 would hurt the h17 potential
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;W[gq]C[Zonked [2d\]: high stone on left sde, or f15
Werfeus [5d\]: f15 feels natural to me
dutch2dan [1d?\]: c4?
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;B[fe]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: c4 sounds explosive
snowman [-\]: d11 maybe
snowman [-\]: in the spirit of g3
SM2015a [?\]: b 73min, w 80min
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;W[di]C[snowman [-\]: yay
something [1d\]: snowman [5d\]
Nyanjilla [-\]: hehe
snowman [-\]: prodi has watched the same iyama game...
Gigot [1k\]: Is it a Iyama's game position?
slim76 [1d\]: I wouldn't have patience for moyo building anymore, c4 or c6 now
snowman [-\]: slightly reminds iyama-cho u meijin game some years ago
something [1d\]: it's becoming pretty common to break up your opponents stones early now
snowman [-\]: r7 would be cool too
ofbusy [-\]: s4 is big but probably to rabbitish
ofbusy [-\]: "too
Warfreak2 [-\]: gooooo antti!
gogonuts [3d\]: r7 is the move in that area - for both
ofbusy [-\]: hm
Zonked [2d\]: could play tengen here, unlikely to happen tho
resusou: not easy  for w now!
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;B[fj]C[Zonked [2d\]: f10, me likes!
Gigot [1k\]: Which player is Antti?
gogonuts [3d\]: w got the slightly better opening, imo - his stones are working well
snowman [-\]: namii invented his own move
resusou: antii piayed this tournament?
something [1d\]: well that was a move that no one would predict
SM2015a [?\]: namii looks dead serious
Zonked [2d\]: f10 is probably to some extent a meta move against prodi
Zonked [2d\]: its not that namii likes f10 moves, but this leads to the type of game prodi hates the most
Ten [?\]: Go Antti!
YoungPro [-\]: lol
Darchik [3d\]: Setup: https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12360369_10153820622572888_2709719713661807423_n.jpg?oh=215ce770f8032ee0e47f0c748f5a877f&oe=57190C2C
YoungPro [-\]: anti what do you think about the game so far?
Darchik [3d\]: First move
Zonked [2d\]: let me guess, its even
Ten [?\]: I don't understand f10
Pempu [1d\]: Any meatballs left in kisakatsomo?
YoungPro [-\]: trying to build moyo
YoungPro [-\]: but its too direct no?
Zonked [2d\]: ten, f10 trying to force a moyo
something [1d\]: f10 is all about floating in the air
snowman [-\]: zonked picture is revealing
gogonuts [3d\]: w f11, and because after g11 g10 b cant build a ladder threat agains g10 b wedge against f11
something [1d\]: like a dandelion
Warfreak2 [-\]: go antti!
Zonked [2d\]: and we all know prodi dislikes playing against moyo
gogonuts [3d\]: if w d9, f10 for d9 is great for b in this position
Zonked [2d\]: prodi really wants to just take territory, instead of fight
Ten [?\]: Thanks for the explanations
dxxd [1k\]: e9 c4 or smth
SM2015a [?\]: Ten can learn a lot from this game
SM2015a [?\]: you don't see this stuff in japanese pro games
sampo [2k\]: who is prodi?
something [1d\]: there's a reason for that -.-
SM2015a [?\]: prodi is white, juuso nyyssönen
gogonuts [3d\]: something: but we never know it's because the move is bad, or because it's so good that the opponent wouldn't allow the position preceding it :-)
SM2015a [?\]: misclick
gogonuts [3d\]: s4 had me scared :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: I would have stopped watching :-)
snowman [-\]: it's good to keep us awake
dxxd [1k\]: b looking for p10 / q11 next?
ofbusy [-\]: my move snif ^^
snowman [-\]: f12 or f13
gogonuts [3d\]: i want to see f11 e11 e10 
something [1d\]: white could surprise us with l14 -.-
snowman [-\]: what's that move called in japanese, keimakata?
resusou: w take too much time on open game,
gogonuts [3d\]: something: L14 doesnt do for w what F10 does for b - because F10 has ambition to connect back to F15
YoungPro [-\]: well its normal
YoungPro [-\]: if f10 is bad move.. if you play too fast.. its possible to make f10 looks like myoshu in the end..
something [1d\]: I know gogo -.-
snowman [-\]: nice, this move is played once, li yachun vs. chang hao 1996
YoungPro [-\]: how many rounds?
ofbusy [-\]: f11 looks natural to me, too
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(;W[dk]C[gogonuts [3d\]: no nerve
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;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[dq]C[gogonuts [3d\]: ws line of thinking must have been: can i afford d9?
Warfreak2 [-\]: so ten is eleven now?
SM2015a [?\]: b 67min, w 65min
resusou: The game is desided in mid-game.not open!
gogonuts [3d\]: the time to fight was with f11 instead of d9 - right now it's better to go along
YoungPro [-\]: i like this game
YoungPro [-\]: white will pincer at h10 or p15 later
YoungPro [-\]: after this joseki
YoungPro [-\]: also
YoungPro [-\]: black can try to make ko,its also possible
gogonuts [3d\]: a strong position for w in the ll at least makes m3 less attractive for b
YoungPro [-\]: e3 e2 f2 e4 f3 b4 b5 b2 like this try to gain sente ;) 
YoungPro [-\]: possible to connect but then white may gain sente,its questionable
gogonuts [3d\]: b deliberate ko is too fancy here, isnt it?
YoungPro [-\]: ko is alright
YoungPro [-\]: top right is more imporant
YoungPro [-\]: important *
gogonuts [3d\]: in general yes, but top right isnt really made for ko threats ...
Avari [?\]: if w had played d9 first, would b have ansered F10? :P
gogonuts [3d\]: lol avari
something [1d\]: no
gogonuts [3d\]: but w is really the forced one here
gogonuts [3d\]: my feeling is that b has a certain psychological control over w
gogonuts [3d\]: that is usually enough to win :-)
Warfreak2 [-\]: b has psychological control over everybody
Warfreak2 [-\]: b is the demon headmaster
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;B[fq]
;W[fp]
;B[ep]
;W[eo]
;B[eq]
;W[gp]
;B[br]
;W[bp]
;B[gr]
;W[hr]
;B[fs]
;W[iq]C[YoungPro [-\]: kibitz no need :)
YoungPro [-\]: join english flood room/if not then comment something sensible :)
SM2015a [?\]: "gossa on parasta kun tuntee vastustajan tuskan. se yhdistyy omaan tuskaan sellaisessa symbioosissa"
SM2015a [?\]: meta trashtalk
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;B[eh]C[slim76 [1d\]: is it ko after w a2?
Warfreak2 [-\]: nerp
Thoravatar [3d\]: no
slim76 [1d\]: just b1, right?
YoungPro [-\]: yeah
Warfreak2 [-\]: yerp
ofbusy [-\]: this keima feels nasty
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;W[dh]C[SM2015a [?\]: b 66min, w 55min
snowman [-\]: prodi got his territory :)
FryMe [5k\]: looks good for black
YoungPro [-\]: can b play o10/l10/p15/o14 now?
FryMe [5k\]: if I'm not mistaken. Or does this count as even?
YoungPro [-\]: well i like b
Warfreak2 [-\]: of course you like b, he has psychological control
snowman [-\]: it's only a question of the right mindset - black moyo is small
snowman [-\]: and the komi is huge
YoungPro [-\]: komi is 6,5no?
snowman [-\]: about
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;B[qm]C[YoungPro [-\]: i like b potential
Thoravatar [3d\]: but everything is so wide...
FryMe [5k\]: I don't usually like moyos, but this moyo seems rather hard to penetrate
Warfreak2 [-\]: er
YoungPro [-\]: moyo is good.. :)
Thoravatar [3d\]: it almost feels like white would survive to consequtive invasions
FryMe [5k\]: really? I'd die even if I had 20 more spaces available
Thoravatar [3d\]: haha :)
Warfreak2 [-\]: 19x19 board is too small to contain your groups
Thoravatar [3d\]: me too, but i am no 5d :)
FryMe [5k\]: you're so strong tho :o
Shanti [3k\]: I always play K17 in this situation (-_-)'
Shanti [3k\]: I know it should not be good, but it always live at the end
YoungPro [-\]: :D
YoungPro [-\]: i would play o6 now as white
YoungPro [-\]: or p15
YoungPro [-\]: m15 also good
Warfreak2 [-\]: i always live after k17, but sometimes the stones die
Warfreak2 [-\]: never needed an ambulance yet
Shanti [3k\]: haha
FryMe [5k\]: R15 would be my try
ofbusy [-\]: b s economic developpement is based on w s tourism in his moyo
Shanti [3k\]: playing Civilization here =P
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;W[oe]C[Kettu [6d\]: i agree with P15
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;B[nd]C[FryMe [5k\]: b reaking the dogs face isn't it?
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;W[pd]
;B[pc]
;W[qe]
;B[rd]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: w definitely behind
swedish2k [7d\]: don't think so
Kettu [6d\]: i think its even steven
FryMe [5k\]: but b has potential
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;W[ph]C[fismonger: o15 too slow?
FryMe [5k\]: why not jump?
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;B[ef]C[fismonger: well the cut could be manageable
fismonger: so why not.
fismonger: :)
Werfeus [5d\]: i'm not buying this e14
Warfreak2 [-\]: not even for 1¢?
Thoravatar [3d\]: why not? it seems severe
Warfreak2 [-\]: severely something
Kettu [6d\]: a severe mistake?
FryMe [5k\]: isn't white coming in now?
FryMe [5k\]: reducing while fixing his group
Thoravatar [3d\]: there is a cut, right?
Warfreak2 [-\]: never interrupt your opponent when they are making a mistake
YoungPro [-\]: i don't understand e14
YoungPro [-\]: too slow
Warfreak2 [-\]: just d18 for large cash refunds
reactive [2d\]: n14 first?
ofbusy [-\]: e14 seems ok to me
fismonger: if b cuts after w tenuki, can w still dig something fun out of f18 or other silly attachment like that?
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;W[db]
;B[ng]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: hmm now it seems there is still a lot of aji for black with c15
ofbusy [-\]: w n14 was logical to me, i dont like this d18
Warfreak2 [-\]: not really
Warfreak2 [-\]: all black can do is die in the corner
sampo [2k\]: now fight?
ofbusy [-\]: o13 is severe
snowman [-\]: this kibitz contains several severes
Thoravatar [3d\]: thanks for noticing
reactive [2d\]: f12 ?
snowman [-\]: it might be possible to count at this moment: how many points is black allowed to have in the big moyo
FryMe [5k\]: all of them
Kettu [6d\]: no points but an exhilarating fight
reactive [2d\]: f11 seems goood as well no?
ofbusy [-\]: w s plan is to overcash b ...
ofbusy [-\]: even if its not 100% reasonable
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;W[qj]C[SM2015a [?\]: b 62min, w 37min
Kettu [6d\]: white is the most reasonable player east of mississippi
Kettu [6d\]: all the other finnish players are just nutcases in comparison
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;B[pk]C[ofbusy [-\]: just checking on wikipedia to be sure where finland exactly is ^^
Kettu [6d\]: once you find wisconsin, just keep going east
Kettu [6d\]: or west, that works too
MacGyver [2d?\]: way east of mississippi
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;W[pj]
;B[eb]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: once you hit russia, you've gone too far
SM2015a [?\]: I don't believe finland exists
Warfreak2 [-\]: but finland believes in you
SM2015a [?\]: I trust reddit
bert [?\]: i will rest my just nutcase now
SM2015a [?\]: ok
SM2015a [?\]: b not thinking much after f10
ofbusy [-\]: is e18 this big ?..
Warfreak2 [-\]: it's sente, surely
Warfreak2 [-\]: and yes, it's pretty sizeable
swedish2k [7d\]: not sente probably
Warfreak2 [-\]: but wotsabout c15?
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;W[nj]C[swedish2k [7d\]: d15 should be fine but otherwise b15
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;B[cb]C[snowman [-\]: i know this namii trick, luring his opponent to play in the worthless center while taking away big boundary plays
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;W[cc]
;B[da]C[SM2015a [?\]: b 59min, w 29min
ofbusy [-\]: i dont know about the trick, but o10 seems huge to me
SM2015a [?\]: that's what namii wants you to think
snowman [-\]: exactemento
ofbusy [-\]: w n14 seems possible now imo
Igoagosss [6k\]: Whats the name and rank two players ?
SM2015a [?\]: black Juri Kuronen 6d
SM2015a [?\]: white Juuso Nyyssönen 5d
Warfreak2 [-\]: antti tormanen 1 vs antti tormanen 2
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;W[dc]C[Igoagosss [6k\]: Thanks :)
snowman [-\]: all warfreaks
Warfreak2 [-\]: i am like agent smith
SM2015a [?\]: black is almost as strong as darkforest
Thoravatar [3d\]: that's just silly
snowman [-\]: like a machine
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;B[mi]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: darkforest stole my coffee
snowman [-\]: f11 as a probe and then some fighting, please
Werfeus [5d\]: some goodfeel background music to boost up your morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioSd9JTxbnw
Nyanjilla [-\]: no public accusations, warfreak2
Warfreak2 [-\]: :D
sampo [2k\]: is this one round final?
SM2015a [?\]: no there's 3 games
SM2015a [?\]: or 2 if it's 2-0
sampo [2k\]: and this is first?
SM2015a [?\]: yep
SM2015a [?\]: see my info
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;W[lk]C[sampo [2k\]: ok
ofbusy [-\]: this shape is fancy
SM2015a [?\]: it's a keima
Tictactoe [-\]: are we talking offspring now?
SM2015a [?\]: b 53min, w 21min
Warfreak2 [-\]: werp
zakheus91 [4k?\]: this is quiet a peaceful game...=D
fismonger: balance of terror
Warfreak2 [-\]: that is because the fighting is all done IRL
SM2015a [?\]: how'd you know
Warfreak2 [-\]: if this was on eurogotv you would see how aggressive the game really is. they are arm-wrestling now
SM2015a [?\]: it is known
ofbusy [-\]: a lot of passive-agressiveness in this game ^^
snowman [-\]: don't you just hate games like that :)
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;B[kj]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: moyo moyo man, i want to be, a moyo man
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;W[hj]C[slim76 [1d\]: fight! fight!
fismonger: this is it
slim76 [1d\]: I give you cigarettes
DaoLin [2k?\]: b E10 or 9?
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;W[mk]
;B[ok]
;W[ni]
;B[nk]C[SM2015a [?\]: b 46min, w 18min
DaoLin [2k?\]: oh, the action is on the right! 
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;W[mh]
;B[nh]C[SM2015a [?\]: YES
SM2015a [?\]: I was about to fall asleep
AAAAAAAAAA [7d\]: deez nuts
snowman [-\]: cheesez
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;W[mf]C[dxxd [1k\]: white looks better and better?
snowman [-\]: suddenly the game is alive
Tictactoe [-\]: while black is dead?
SM2015a [?\]: juri was about to reply instantly but is in deep thought now
SM2015a [?\]: now he put the stone back to the bowl
slim76 [1d\]: the game is alive with the sound of music
floating [1k\]: white played that quite quickl
Zairex [?\]: cool move
Avari [?\]: mieluummin tätä katsoo kuin jääkiekkoa
DaoLin [2k?\]: bQ13? 
gogonuts [3d\]: b overplayed against h10
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;B[pg]C[resusou: N14 looks ilke  good , i am not sure
SM2015a [?\]: b 43min, w 16min
gogonuts [3d\]: would have been better off to just answer at f8, imo
snowman [-\]: what's q13 actually doing
SM2015a [?\]: f8 would've been so lame
Warfreak2 [-\]: werping
Mondfisch [1k\]: q13 is only move
gogonuts [3d\]: n13 looks attractive
resusou: it is caculating time\\
gogonuts [3d\]: the wife at r13 or the beauty at n13 :-)
ofbusy [-\]: so q13 is the beast
snowman [-\]: or the disappointed husband
fismonger: n13 threatens m10 too, so it's quite nice indeed
fismonger: ofc. can't do much with that if something happens to o10 stones meanwhile.. might that be what w is thinking atm?
SM2015a [?\]: b 43min, w 9min
SM2015a [?\]: byoyomi is 1x60s
Warfreak2 [-\]: a finnish 8 dan is watching
Suomi [3d\]: :)
SM2015a [?\]: the whole world is watching this
resusou: tian?
MacGyver [2d?\]: he's pro
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;W[qg]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: i mean ten
Warfreak2 [-\]: ten is now eleven
MacGyver [2d?\]: yea
SM2015a [?\]: namii looks nervous
SM2015a [?\]: picks up a stone, sighs, puts it back
SM2015a [?\]: and repeat
Warfreak2 [-\]: i hope he isn't in an infinite loop
Warfreak2 [-\]: maybe you should reboot him
slim76 [1d\]: Ican't stand the elevension, maybe I'll watch some elevennis
Suomi [3d\]: this fight will become totaly crazy
ofbusy [-\]: the devilish m9 keima shows its real power now ^^
Warfreak2 [-\]: b should be ok
Suomi [3d\]: o14 o15 q14 q15 r14 for bruteforce way to handle it_
Suomi [3d\]: ?
snowman [-\]: black needs to deploy keikaku b
SM2015a [?\]: brute force often involves loops
resusou: I want to see a teenage to be the champion
Warfreak2 [-\]: while(losing) { win; }
SM2015a [?\]: for(;losing;win);
Warfreak2 [-\]: for loops - not even once
SM2015a [?\]: maybe white wouldn't  respond with o15
Werfeus [5d\]: juri might be doing it on purpose to play juuso
Suomi [3d\]: while(abs(margin)>0.5) { behave like a 5kyu; }
zakheus91 [4k?\]: how old are the players?
Werfeus [5d\]: w 23 b 26
SM2015a [?\]: age is just a number
Warfreak2 [-\]: it's a good number tho
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
Werfeus [5d\]: it's a word tho
Warfreak2 [-\]: words can be numbers
Warfreak2 [-\]: like ten
snowman [-\]: eleven...
Warfreak2 [-\]: yes, ten is now eleven
Werfeus [5d\]: be-doobie-daab-du-daa
MacGyver [2d?\]: no pun inelevended
snowman [-\]: listening stubb again?
Warfreak2 [-\]: skee bap bap ba-dap dap
bananalop [3k\]: r12
Werfeus [5d\]: ahh good raw porridge
MacGyver [2d?\]: warfreak.. skat man?
Warfreak2 [-\]: werp
Suomi [3d\]: according to EGF records, juri is 7years old and prodi is 10years old.
Warfreak2 [-\]: of course they're out of date, they're records. even floppy disks are more recent.
dxxd [1k\]: raw porridge sounds like a paradox
Suomi [3d\]: b will ponder this for the longest time, then go with the most vulgar sequence of o14 o15 q14 q15 r14 
SM2015a [?\]: maybe he already played and I'm just messing with y'all
MacGyver [2d?\]: :D
SM2015a [?\]: ah the power
Suomi [3d\]: ya, they actually played the whole game as blitz, and now you are just replaying it to us in slow motion
snowman [-\]: we remember s4
Thoravatar [3d\]: first r12?
Suomi [3d\]: throavatar, and risk letting w compromise where he sacrifices q10 stones?
SM2015a [?\]: hmmmmmmmm
Suomi [3d\]: as black I rather kill n14 stone than q10 stone
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;B[qh]C[Suomi [3d\]: and Im proven wrong
SM2015a [?\]: b 33min, w 7min
Suomi [3d\]: or sm2015 just put a stone there to mess with me, ya, that must be it
SM2015a [?\]: I thought we'd switch to othello here
SM2015a [?\]: it's a much simpler game
Warfreak2 [-\]: good idea
Suomi [3d\]: w p13
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;W[rh]C[Suomi [3d\]: wuut.. I dont understand go :(
SM2015a [?\]: now kgs should flip r12's color
Shanti [2k\]: lol
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;B[nf]C[zakheus91 [4k?\]: even AI dont understand go...LOL
Warfreak2 [-\]: skee bap bap badap dap
SM2015a [?\]: dyn dyn dyn
Suomi [3d\]: now this o14 etc sequence is much better for b.. w rly should have fought against b r12..
Warfreak2 [-\]: w not much choice
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;W[ne]
;B[pf]C[Suomi [3d\]: w p13 instead of s12 would have failed?
Warfreak2 [-\]: then b p12
Suomi [3d\]: then take stone
Warfreak2 [-\]: then b takes two
Warfreak2 [-\]: the important two
Suomi [3d\]: and w plays o14 and lives inside moyo
snowman [-\]: white is alive and the outside shape is solid, should be ok
floating [1k\]: when they read position like this, do they have to re-read some sequences because they fail at picturing the sequence in the mind, or are they just spending time reading multiple sequences without mind failz
Warfreak2 [-\]: they are staring into the void, contemplating the absurdity of existence
zakheus91 [4k?\]: just like mikhail tal...LOL
SM2015a [?\]: darkforest doesn't have mind failz
SM2015a [?\]: that's why it's so strong
Warfreak2 [-\]: sure it does
Warfreak2 [-\]: derpforest
Warfreak2 [-\]: plays out ladders
Warfreak2 [-\]: fills in eyes
floating [1k\]: because I always fail and might read some 1 seq long time and then skip some other sequences and then I see if I am lucky or not
]
;W[qi]C[Shanti [2k\]: me too...
SM2015a [?\]: b 31min, w 3min
reactive [2d\]: moyo makers uses less time
Werfeus [5d\]: I made a (very safe) bet with myself before the game: After the champion is decided, pride will be very absent from the playing room.
Werfeus [5d\]: I don't see this bet back firing yet
SM2015a [?\]: two years ago, the winner of the deciding game  had 6 living groups
Warfreak2 [-\]: if you bet with yourself, then you can't lose
SM2015a [?\]: I love scribing this go
Werfeus [5d\]: I decide that, Wf2
resusou: Q15 is the only move for b
Thoravatar [3d\]: y, or r14 or L11 or N15
Zairex [?\]: i hope for n15
SM2015a [?\]: deep sighs all around
Suomi [3d\]: q15
bananalop [3k\]: yeap
Suomi [3d\]: would be nice if could exchange l12 before q15, but looks like liberty is important
Gardan [?\]: q15 is better than r14 as r14 s14 s15 is not good
Gardan [?\]: better leave yose option
snowman [-\]: i guess he'll play n13
SM2015a [?\]: b 23min, w 3min
SM2015a [?\]: both might be in byoyomi before long
Suomi [3d\]: hmm, n13 could be nice ya
slim76 [1d\]: n13 will lead to some complicated fighting in the middle
slim76 [1d\]: or maybe not
floating [1k\]: do tho wise men in kibitz prefer white?   I would bet my tygem chips for w
snowman [-\]: before r11,yes
]
;B[lh]C[SM2015a [?\]: who saw this coming
samme [6d?\]: This was my move :)
]
;W[mg]C[slim76 [1d\]: looks supergreedy
SM2015a [?\]: namii has taught you well
Archimed [5k\]: saw it \\o/
kmr [2d\]: Q15 now?
Suomi [3d\]: can black play n15 now?
snowman [-\]: of course
samme [6d?\]: sure
Archimed [5k\]: can b play N14 now?
SM2015a [?\]: no
Suomi [3d\]: but b cant lose sente from it, or w q15 ends up killing b
SM2015a [?\]: that one he can't do
Suomi [3d\]: refering to n15
]
;B[pe]C[SM2015a [?\]: b 18min, w 2min
]
;W[md]C[Suomi [3d\]: n16 sort of cool since b cant n17
snowman [-\]: m12 is hard to understand, especially now that black didn't cut
Suomi [3d\]: snowman, prevent w l11?
Zairex [?\]: q15 should have been n15
]
;B[oj]C[snowman [-\]: white can still play that :)
snowman [-\]: does white call black's bluff
kmr [2d\]: isnt white toasted a bit?
SM2015a [?\]: b 16min, w in byoyomi
SM2015a [?\]: which is 1x60s
]
;W[oi]C[Kettu [6d\]: byo-yomi so gentle as a summer breeze
]
;B[oh]
;W[pi]
;B[od]
;W[of]
;B[og]
;W[me]C[ofbusy [-\]: and the living is easy !!
Kettu [6d\]: hmm
SM2015a [?\]: easy living, as they say
Nyanjilla [-\]: for white???
slim76 [1d\]: N15 looks uneasy
samme [6d?\]: nise shape
ofbusy [-\]: thats what the song say
MacGyver [2d?\]: stong shape
slim76 [1d\]: it's winter time
MacGyver [2d?\]: solid
Gardan [?\]: weather is same as in midsomma
samme [6d?\]: In the bag
Suomi [3d\]: this silly sequence was mandatory, since it protects against s14 kill
MacGyver [2d?\]: k12 
Suomi [3d\]: w could have just played r14 directly or s15, but thought apparently that is better
SM2015a [?\]: maybe there's hope even if this dies
SM2015a [?\]: if it dies in a nice way
MacGyver [2d?\]: ni as in, not die?
MacGyver [2d?\]: nice*
Kettu [6d\]: i dont  buy the silly sequence being mandatory
SM2015a [?\]: maybe white can get some points on the bottom
]
;B[qf]
;W[rf]
;B[re]C[Suomi [3d\]: kettu, wasnt b s14 threattening a kill?
Suomi [3d\]: w had to fix it somehow
]
;W[rk]
;B[rl]C[Kettu [6d\]: it doesnt threaten a kill until b fixes the liberty shortage
]
;W[rj]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: are they still going?
Suomi [3d\]: kettu, so you would let b capture o15 stones in sente?
SM2015a [?\]: the games is in progress
snowman [-\]: these young players are so slow
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah before you know it you are melted
Kettu [6d\]: you betcha i would
SM2015a [?\]: b 10min, w in byoyomi
Kettu [6d\]: this way of playing is just so heavy 
snowman [-\]: white can live for sure
Kettu [6d\]: all the uzis in one package that weighs a ton
floating [1k\]: :)
Suomi [3d\]: maybe the uzis are insured?
SM2015a [?\]: I wouldn't want to be killing that group against prodi
Kettu [6d\]: seems farlig to me
snowman [-\]: abunai
floating [1k\]: you would have played some m11 instead of making life?
Suomi [3d\]: l12?
fismonger: k13 enough?
bananalop [3k\]: or k12
SM2015a [?\]: I see many question marks
Suomi [3d\]: would be cool if b claimed w dead already and played l9
Kettu [6d\]: this is a "chance" for b if there ever was one
Suomi [3d\]: or kill on maximum scale and play j12
YZ1509 [4d\]: l15
Suomi [3d\]: l15 looks funny, not saying its wrong, just not the most common of shapes
SM2015a [?\]: l14 for symmetry and solid shape
MacGyver [2d?\]: kosumi not common?
YZ1509 [4d\]: well l15 aims with n17 at any shape on the topside
Kotonoha [3d\]: hmm
Kotonoha [3d\]: black is Swedish1k?
YZ1509 [4d\]: it avoids also complexity at k17
]
;B[kk]C[fismonger: i saw swedish1k commenting before, can't be him
Suomi [3d\]: fismonger, technically that doesnt rule him out..
fishyfish [6k\]: suomi was right
SM2015a [?\]: Namii and swedish1k have played
SM2015a [?\]: it would be a great conspiracy
Suomi [3d\]: fishy, helps when I make multiple predictions
]
;W[je]C[fishyfish [6k\]: true haha
YZ1509 [4d\]: l15 protected aginst this move too
Kettu [6d\]: L9, i dunno...
snowman [-\]: it's time for some random tsuke-hane-atari-fight
fismonger: suomi, well yeah. technically. but then again checking kibitz while playing would be considered cheating ;)
SM2015a [?\]: I'm here so there can't be any cheating for sure
Werfeus [5d\]: L9 proper ripuli prrffllrtfööörtthhhhrthhh
kmr [2d\]: L9 really?black is so sure ha can kill white dragon?or what?
MacGyver [2d?\]: and not sure how useful it would even be
Suomi [3d\]: kmr, it also indirectly helps in this fight, since aji from m11 is less relevant
]
;B[ke]
;W[kf]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: looking up prrffllrtfööörtthhhhrthhh at sensei.xmp.net
Suomi [3d\]: plus with l9 played, b can still continue the game if the w lives in some ugly manner
]
;B[jf]C[Kettu [6d\]: sure it helps, in a "hang on, we'll send a postcard when we reach ibiza" kind of way
]
;W[ie]
;B[kd]C[Suomi [3d\]: if b had comitted to kill with some direct move and then fail, it would be game over
SM2015a [?\]: b 2min, w in byoyomi
]
;W[kg]
;B[if]C[Suomi [3d\]: oh, look that that, allthe sudden l9 is relevant!
]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]
;W[ml]
;B[lm]C[ofbusy [-\]: w s position getting desperate now
]
;W[mm]
;B[mn]
;W[ig]
;B[hf]C[SM2015a [?\]: w double-clicked the clock and had b's time running while it was w's turn
floating [1k\]: does senseis have prrffllrtfööörtthhhhrthhh transliterated to japanese i cant find it
SM2015a [?\]: excellent android app this
]
;W[nn]C[Suomi [3d\]: I bet you used a free one
Suomi [3d\]: you get what you pay for
SM2015a [?\]: the best things in life are always free
Kettu [6d\]: like plague and investment advice
snowman [-\]: like following this kibitz
SM2015a [?\]: for example yea
]
;B[ln]
;W[nm]C[Suomi [3d\]: k11?
]
;B[ji]
;W[ii]C[SM2015a [?\]: both in byoyomi
Kotonoha [3d\]: cook or get cooked?
]
;B[jl]
;W[jh]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: i believe in miracles , hot chocolate
]
;B[km]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: knocking on back door, CCR
ofbusy [-\]: why take hm
floating [1k\]: time to count?
Kettu [6d\]: needed to take
]
;W[op]C[SM2015a [?\]: w had just a few seconds left
floating [1k\]: :/
]
;B[gk]C[SM2015a [?\]: I believe in miracles and empty triangles
SM2015a [?\]: but not this timer app
]
;W[hg]C[bert [?\]: m13 
]
;B[he]C[Kettu [6d\]: miracles and empty triangles sounds like a leevi and the leavings song
kmr [2d\]: i would try L11 in blitz as white
Gardan [?\]: that would be superhit
Kotonoha [3d\]: this game is quite naughty 
YliGo [?\]: there are like 50 excaliburs in helsinki and none in final!?
]
;W[il]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: yes i was making recording of Song earlier this morning
SM2015a [?\]: we also considered using a magnet goban
Suomi [3d\]: how much time does b have left?
SM2015a [?\]: both in byoyomi
]
;B[ik]
;W[hk]
;B[hl]C[SM2015a [?\]: for about 10 moves now
]
;W[im]C[Suomi [3d\]: looks like w left side might take sufficient damage from this attempt at life that b can continue even if w lives
]
;B[hm]
;W[in]C[floating [1k\]: 1x1min was it
]
;B[ij]C[SM2015a [?\]: yes
]
;W[gi]
;B[kh]
;W[jg]C[Kettu [6d\]: hmm
Suomi [3d\]: ugly f11
Kettu [6d\]: i feel like important moves are being missed
Suomi [3d\]: hmm, g8 sort of a problem tho
SM2015a [?\]: I think this sequence was optimal
Gardan [?\]: kettu, their veivi is lacking
snowman [-\]: sub-
Kettu [6d\]: i think they are both on tilt
]
;B[gj]
;W[hi]C[Suomi [3d\]: w has gote eye at m14 now
YZ1509 [4d\]: and g8, so white lives
Suomi [3d\]: so w is alive unless b removes that eye, and g8 being miai so w alive
]
;B[hn]
;W[io]C[himanin [1k?\]: w alive and win? seem lead alot in teritory
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes
Gardan [?\]: n16 can ruin top area
]
;B[fi]C[Suomi [3d\]: w alive in sente
]
;W[lj]C[Suomi [3d\]: because m7 eye problem
Suomi [3d\]: maybe b just plays k7 here
swedish2k [7d\]: cant
Ten [?\]: Musn't
SM2015a [?\]: won't
snowman [-\]: amateur pride wouldn't let him
swedish2k [7d\]: but anyway eye at m14
swedish2k [7d\]: its over
YZ1509 [4d\]: k7 will be answered at tengen
]
;B[li]
;W[lg]
;B[ki]C[ofbusy [-\]: n17 
Suomi [3d\]: k7
MacGyver [2d?\]: m15 
ofbusy [-\]: or m17 rather
Gigot [1k\]: Does white k7 works?
swedish2k [7d\]: probably
swedish2k [7d\]: but he might not wanna risk it
betonlife [3k\]: f8 first?
]
;W[jk]
;B[jj]C[SM2015a [?\]: timesuji
snowman [-\]: m17 seems good enough
Suomi [3d\]: w could just play m4 in sente
]
;W[le]C[swedish2k [7d\]: wow..
swedish2k [7d\]: not  even playing any sente
SM2015a [?\]: meta is stong in this one
Kushi [5k?\]: 1 min is short for read that
]
;B[lp]C[Kettu [6d\]: if this is game is lost on time, i will call the police
Gigot [1k\]: This means W has enough.
MacGyver [2d?\]: :D
Ten [?\]: No, this means white thinks he has enough
]
;W[rp]C[SM2015a [?\]: my move!
snowman [-\]: again...
Gigot [1k\]: Indeed
SM2015a [?\]: not a misclick this time
]
;B[ro]C[Shanti [2k\]: whaat?
Zairex [?\]: does white have enough
SM2015a [?\]: w s6 would've killed maybe
SM2015a [?\]: timesujis
Suomi [3d\]: I would guess w definately leading, another question is the lead big enough to play super safe
]
;W[fl]
;B[fm]C[SM2015a [?\]: funny how short 60s byoyomi feels now
Ten [?\]: Guess I'll just stay quiet
SM2015a [?\]: yeah we wouldn't want any pro kibitz on an amateur game, would we
Ten [?\]: I was going to comment on the "guess... definitely"
SM2015a [?\]: the other way around is fine tho
]
;W[el]
;B[gl]
;W[fn]
;B[gh]
;W[hh]
;B[bb]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: bright eyes, garfunkel
YoungPro [-\]: isnät n17 bigger than b18( ididnä watch the game.. so mazbe i am missing something=
]
;W[bc]C[SM2015a [?\]: qwertz, is that you
bleen [1k\]: thought the same YP
bleen [1k\]: maybe now
swedish2k [7d\]: w stopped playing the game already
YoungPro [-\]: should play now or n3
ofbusy [-\]: b c13 /c15 would have captured w
]
;B[mq]
;W[nr]C[swedish2k [7d\]: if w lose this it will be hard to recover
ofbusy [-\]: n17 so big
YoungPro [-\]: now
]
;B[mc]
;W[ar]
;B[bs]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: k7 
floating [1k\]: E14 was questioned but maybe it was good then
YZ1509 [4d\]: nah l7 first
floating [1k\]: except that if he loses the game
Gigot [1k\]: L5
YZ1509 [4d\]: l5
SM2015a [?\]: l5 n5 for shape
Suomi [3d\]: b+0.5?
]
;W[fg]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: maybe d1 for timetesuji
Juippi [1d?\]: I wonder if fishing for sente with a18 instead of b17 would have been better for w
SM2015a [?\]: a18 what
MacGyver [2d?\]: n5 
]
;B[fh]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: w
swedish2k [7d\]: might be juippi
]
;W[mr]C[Juippi [1d?\]: it's a real tesuji though, pls believe me
]
;B[jp]C[Werfeus [5d\]: pls
Kettu [6d\]: :D
SM2015a [?\]: in juippi we trust
Juippi [1d?\]: well, maybe it doesn't make a big difference in this case anyway
Suomi [3d\]: was b n2 sente against corner? probably not..
SM2015a [?\]: prodi must've missed it
]
;W[hs]C[Ten [?\]: Oh, so white let it get close
]
;B[ds]C[Gigot [1k\]: L3
]
;W[gg]
;B[eg]C[snowman [-\]: all this time i've been thinking about g16
]
;W[kq]C[Kettu [6d\]: g16 does have some warp-factor indeed
]
;B[jq]
;W[jr]C[Suomi [3d\]: now that b has c13  and b13 availablein sente and c10 and d6.. is there anything to be done the left side?
Kettu [6d\]: maybe warp 6
Trumelunki [3d\]: g16 comboed with m17 aji
Trumelunki [3d\]: ?
snowman [-\]: right
]
;B[kp]C[Kettu [6d\]: that and stuff like E17,  F14
]
;W[ip]
;B[ab]C[Gigot [1k\]: was J4 needed?
Gigot [1k\]: ok
]
;W[be]C[SM2015a [?\]: the k13 group is quite symmetric
swedish2k [7d\]: wow
Suomi [3d\]: victory declaration?
swedish2k [7d\]: w almost deserve to lose this game
Gigot [1k\]: white +komi?
Suomi [3d\]: b l2?
]
;B[qp]C[Werfeus [5d\]: oh man
Werfeus [5d\]: barf
]
;W[gd]C[SM2015a [?\]: ba dum tshhh
snowman [-\]: b15 was aiming for this :)
YZ1509 [4d\]: barf also not listed in sensei.xmp.net
Kettu [6d\]: B15 could have been G16-related in prodi's head
Suomi [3d\]: if this fails b wins
ofbusy [-\]: nasty
SM2015a [?\]: juri seems a bit surprised
Werfeus [5d\]: good
]
;B[fd]C[snowman [-\]: time for a beer
]
;W[lc]C[Kushi [5k?\]: g16 look like bad manner move
Juippi [1d?\]: oh yeah
SM2015a [?\]: he's been drinking water from a wine glass
]
;B[ld]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: classy
]
;W[mb]C[SM2015a [?\]: w+res
Gigot [1k\]: gg
Kettu [6d\]: yeah
Werfeus [5d\]: gg
MacGyver [2d?\]: woah, warp speed
ofbusy [-\]: gg, thx 
YliGo [?\]: Kisakatsomoon kaikki sitten toiseen peliin. Täällä on lihapullia ja bisseä
Juippi [1d?\]: kai se on pakko jos pakolla pakotetaan
snowman [-\]: kts krjkst
Juippi [1d?\]: juu kirjaaja mvp
SM2015a [?\]: np
SM2015a [?\]: minimum value product
YliGo [?\]: OGS kirjaus seuraavaan peliin?
SM2015a [?\]: semmosta tarjotaan
SM2015a [?\]: kgs:llä mennään
SM2015a [?\]: hyvät kibitzit ja yleisö tääl
fismonger: gg
SM2015a [?\]: nyt ruokatauko
fismonger: to this is bo3? when are the rest of the games
fismonger: *so
Werfeus [5d\]: 2nd scheduled in 1 hour
SM2015a [?\]: second one in about an hour
SM2015a [?\]: last one tomorrow if needed
Nyanjilla [-\]: not much break between them....
fismonger: alright, thx!
fismonger: yeah, fatigue will be a big factor in the next game
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