(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[Finnish Championship Final]PW[Juuso Nyyssönen]PB[Juri Kuronen]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2015-12-20]EV[Finnish Championship]RO[3]PC[Mysterious location]WT[Yligo]BT[eGo]AN[Simo "Darchik" Vanhala]US[Simo "Darchik" Vanhala]C[Eilinen [-\]: Voittaakohan valkee tänäänki
Kettu [6d\]: vähemmän teenlipitystä, enemmän siirtoja!
SM2015a [?\]: Good morning everyone
SM2015a [?\]: We'll begin shortly
plo [9k\]: hello
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(;B[])
(;B[qd]C[snowman [-\]: this suspense is intolerable
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;W[dp]
;B[dc]
;W[pp]C[SM2015a [?\]: Players are drinking 88 sencha
gogonuts [3d\]: heh snowman, i just looked at yesterdays evening game:
gogonuts [3d\]: if it's stupid, it's not honte :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: that tengen shape move really was awful
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;B[cn]
;W[fq]C[dxxd [1k\]: score: 1-1, winner takes the title
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;B[bp]C[gogonuts [3d\]: b4 is a special ploy
gogonuts [3d\]: it doesnt match with mini or micro
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;W[cq]C[Muttley [2k\]: ko
gogonuts [3d\]: lol, muttley
snowman [-\]: b4 is so special that it's played in 363 pro games
gogonuts [3d\]: you are so far seeing
Muttley [2k\]: ;-)
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;B[ck]C[gogonuts [3d\]: what is the plan?
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;W[ce]C[Muttley [2k\]: ko in the bottom right for b to play in the centre later
Muttley [2k\]: (since you ask)
gogonuts [3d\]: sry muttley, I'm not asking you for plans :-)
Muttley [2k\]: lol, no problem :)
gogonuts [3d\]: if w had d15, b would have attached at c15?
Muttley [2k\]: seems a funny approach for w
Muttley [2k\]: but I guess w wants to settle on the left and see what b does
Muttley [2k\]: or stake a presence then approach at p16 
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;B[cd]C[ihmsje [-\]: http://ps.waltheri.net/970368
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;W[de]
;B[fd]C[Gabriel [2d\]: oh man I don't know who to cheer for
gogonuts [3d\]: thx ihmsje
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;W[dm]C[Muttley [2k\]: I think w wants to just c12 really
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;B[cm]
;W[cj]
;B[dj]
;W[ci]C[Muttley [2k\]: or not
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;B[dk]C[gogonuts [3d\]: fancy footwork
Pempu [1d\]: W has 100% winning ratio in these games :)
gogonuts [3d\]: and so fast
Gabriel [2d\]: Juuso is literally a friend but I decided Juri is my fav European go player what do I do
Muttley [2k\]: w still has to add a move
Muttley [2k\]: get a coffee, Gabriel
something [1d\]: root for juri
dxxd [1k\]: these are standard moves I think
Gabriel [2d\]: sounds like a good idea, pity it's already 10:28, bit late for coffee I think
dxxd [1k\]: or common or whatever
something [1d\]: friendship and admiration are two different things
Muttley [2k\]: is there a pro game like this too?
Muttley [2k\]: feels like we're off the beaten path here
gogonuts [3d\]: but to play it so fast, w prob had seen it in exactly the same position before
Pempu [1d\]: 3 games like this in waltheri's database. W wins 100% of themn
Muttley [2k\]: thanks
snowman [-\]: fashion
SM2015a [?\]: It seems both knew what to play
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;W[di]C[Pempu [1d\]: All chineses games from 2007-2009
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;B[qn]C[gogonuts [3d\]: w is a living waltheri db :-)
Pempu [1d\]: ok this is a new move :)
something [1d\]: lol
gogonuts [3d\]: well, b had to deviate from the loses :-)
Gabriel [2d\]: wasn't W C12 better than the result he got from playing the D7 sequence?
something [1d\]: clearly white's 100% winrate is directly attributed to this position
Muttley [2k\]: r8 please
gogonuts [3d\]: I used to pity chess players, when the commentator excitedly said at move 30: new move!
snowman [-\]: or p16
SM2015a [?\]: Juri said something about Kobayashi Koichi before the start
something [1d\]: why the pity?
illyrio [-\]: Gabriel - I think this is slightly better for white, he is a bit more solid
Muttley [2k\]: because chess games don't last that long
Gabriel [2d\]: in go a new move happens at just move 21 :P
gogonuts [3d\]: walking over so much already trodden ground
Muttley [2k\]: matter of scale
Muttley [2k\]: I know theory to move 35 in some sharp lines, right to the endgame
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;W[nq]C[gogonuts [3d\]: but can you handle that endgame without ko?
Zonked [2d\]: left side was really cool sequence, feels like its somewhat good for white
Gabriel [2d\]: illyrio yeah, but B looks very solid too. So are you saying "The amount that W became solid outweighs the extent to which B became solid"?
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;B[pj]C[Muttley [2k\]: not really :)
Zonked [2d\]: I would so want to see w play p16
Muttley [2k\]: o17 normally
gogonuts [3d\]: left side may be cool, but I feel I was served a ready-made frozen dish
illyrio [-\]: yeah, kind of - b was hardly attackable, and if w had just 2 space extension, there is little eyespace there
Gabriel [2d\]: yeah
Zonked [2d\]: p16 is crazy fighting variation, where w answers the pincer with p12
Muttley [2k\]: o17 I would p16 here, rather than q17
gogonuts [3d\]: L17?
Zonked [2d\]: textbook says p16 is bad for white, but some koreans disagree
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;W[nc]C[illyrio [-\]: what textbook?
gogonuts [3d\]: I would what to get pincered as w, even with  that o17
Muttley [2k\]: oopla!
Zonked [2d\]: "the" textbook ofcourse
gogonuts [3d\]: what did i write?
gogonuts [3d\]: i wouldn't want to get pincered
Muttley [2k\]: L17
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;B[pc]C[something [1d\]: there's an actual textbook for this
Muttley [2k\]: pfff, this is not Muttsuji
something [1d\]: I've seen it
illyrio [-\]: ahh, ok - then its ok to ignore the textbook
gogonuts [3d\]: h17 tempting
Muttley [2k\]: L16 now
Zonked [2d\]: lack of fighting spirit not to play h17 here
Muttley [2k\]: h17 feels so thin :)
illyrio [-\]: actually koreans tend to ignore a lot of things - if they can see a slight chance to kill anything, they go for it - Thats what Tygem taught me\\
Zonked [2d\]: if you do normal extension b too happy to play approach, and fix h17 weakness
snowman [-\]: h17 will get white into a lot of trouble
Mokki [2d\]: L16 leaves b with an optimal extension
Muttley [2k\]: h17 f17 isn't it?
something [1d\]: I've seen kingmaker kill some unkillable corners on tygem
First [2k\]: why do demo not have replay yet?
Zonked [2d\]: muttley, that is white white would want
Gigot [1k\]: Is k17 possible?
First [2k\]: I always want to look back moves
Zonked [2d\]: but b will pincer if w approaches
Oni [-\]: sm2015a plajos peliaikaa jäljellä
First [2k\]: but it not possible
something [1d\]: just open a clone
Muttley [2k\]: hmmm
First [2k\]: ok
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;W[hc]C[Zonked [2d\]: see
First [2k\]: but that is more troublesome
Muttley [2k\]: we shall find out
something [1d\]: I find it easier -.-
snowman [-\]: ah
SM2015a [?\]: B 82min, W 78min
illyrio [-\]: hard to ignore this move...
Zonked [2d\]: but w gets very good result if v just plays f18 here
snowman [-\]: g17 and f14 would be logical
Gabriel [2d\]: now I see why it's nice for W to be so solid on the left haha 
Zonked [2d\]: pretty sure we will see a pincer, left side w group not interesting, hence we can give up c16 stone if it comes to that
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;B[fc]C[Zonked [2d\]: meh
Zonked [2d\]: w+
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;W[kc]C[Zonked [2d\]: o15 for b maybe?
snowman [-\]: this kind of small solid territory game is good for white
Gabriel [2d\]: come on Namii
bananalop [3k\]: q13 
SM2015a [?\]: Koichi game
First [2k\]: what are their KGS nicks?
something [1d\]: namii and prodi
Zonked [2d\]: I cant see any obviously good move for b here, o15 holds some potential, everything else feels like its aiming at a small loss
Mokki [2d\]: i would play M16 here
Zonked [2d\]: prodigious
First [2k\]: ah nice
Gigot [1k\]: It is easier for white to komi back with small territories.
SM2015a [?\]: Juri is Namii and Juuso Prodigious
First [2k\]: prodigious is cool
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;B[qq]C[illyrio [-\]: oh, so W is Prodigious? didnt know that 
gogonuts [3d\]: Lslight advantage w, imo
dxxd [1k\]: f17 seems so lame
First [2k\]: when will we tien?
First [2k\]: see\]\]
SM2015a [?\]: Juri just said "you have too much territory now" and played r3
something [1d\]: he actually said that out loud?
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;W[qp]C[SM2015a [?\]: Y
Zonked [2d\]: in finnish
gogonuts [3d\]: f17 wasnt lame - sometimes you have to cash in on a slight disadvantage to regroup later
Gigot [1k\]: R3 is too early
YoungPro [-\]: how strong are you sm2015a
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;B[rp]C[Rettel [8k\]: pohojammaan muruteella
Zonked [2d\]: youngpro, 3d
snowman [-\]: all your territory belong to us
YoungPro [-\]: ok ty :)
something [1d\]: all your base are belong to us*
Zonked [2d\]: wonder if w feels comfortable enough to play q3
Zonked [2d\]: probably shouldnt
Pempu [1d\]: They are playing quite fast. Maybe byo-yomi experience wasn't so nice yesterday
gogonuts [3d\]: bs plan: let w make a big moyo again so he can break it :-)
Gigot [1k\]: White should cut
snowman [-\]: it's his decision :)
Zonked [2d\]: if w plays q3, he loses sente
illyrio [-\]: nah, q3 is for kyu :P
gogonuts [3d\]: i think he should take gigot's advice :-)
Zonked [2d\]: since w practically has to extend along the bottom after q3 variation
Zonked [2d\]: and right side r13 area will be last big move and b gets it
First [2k\]: when will tien come back to play in finland?
Zonked [2d\]: whats the name for that.. getting last big move?  tade..
something [1d\]: huh?
gogonuts [3d\]: temomari, i think
Zonked [2d\]: thx
gogonuts [3d\]: tedomari
Zonked [2d\]: ah ya
dxxd [1k\]: but as snowman pointed out, this kind of game feels good for w, in my kyu opinion the compensation for komi is mostly the potential advantage, which is in a way gone
gogonuts [3d\]: my typing ...
something [1d\]: tedomari? -.-
dxxd [1k\]: pincer, if possible, would have had the correct spirit
gogonuts [3d\]: the last big point
something [1d\]: as in 手止まり？
Zonked [2d\]: useful concept
gogonuts [3d\]: it's what amateurs ignore, and pros fight over fiercely :-)
First [2k\]: tien come back to finland?
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;W[pq]
;B[rr]
;W[qr]
;B[rq]C[Zonked [2d\]: w extends along the bottom, and b plays.. q13 or o15
gogonuts [3d\]: when a pro can chose between war and peace, the decision is often peace if that brings the last biggy, otherwise war
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;W[kq]C[illyrio [-\]: curious... k4 now?
gogonuts [3d\]: that was a w concession
Gigot [1k\]: White has many stones on 3rd line
gogonuts [3d\]: slight lead just went out the window, imo
Zonked [2d\]: no rush to k4 I think you can play g4 too, white cant fix it all
something [1d\]: white also has many stones on the 4th line
gogonuts [3d\]: even again :-)
gogonuts [3d\]: how about p6?
illyrio [-\]: q13 or k4 would be my types to play now
gogonuts [3d\]: q13 doesn't really take the side yet though
Zonked [2d\]: but w bottom is flat almost regardless what w does, hence dont like p6
gogonuts [3d\]: p6 to provoke r12 for me
Muttley [2k\]: hey, we got f17
gogonuts [3d\]: or maybe start with m16
illyrio [-\]: there are also some weird moves like l18 that b can try
Muttley [2k\]: sorry, was afk, and then L17- I really don't lke that double 2 point extension
snowman [-\]: p6 or 015
gogonuts [3d\]: L17 was correct
dent: what the major match of this game?
gogonuts [3d\]: L16 would have been scooped out too easily
Muttley [2k\]: it may well be, but it feels so inefficient and low
gogonuts [3d\]: its a lot more comfy than a pincered 2 space extension :-)
illyrio [-\]: yeah Muttley, but top group is not really there to make territory for white, but to reduce black framework
First [2k\]: I prefer w
First [2k\]: now he just needs to set up one crucial fight
Muttley [2k\]: heh, true, but j17 just feels much more solid to me
dxxd [1k\]: dent, finnish championships, decisive game
floating [1k\]: plz O15
First [2k\]: I would like to see prodigious become 1p as well
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, true illyrio
Muttley [2k\]: incidentally, congrats to Antii, I saw in the past few days he has been awarded 1p- go Finland!
floating [1k\]: O15 would maybe make some fightingu?
gogonuts [3d\]: floating:o15 is a nice point, but w is unlikely to get into real trouble at the top, so i would prefer m16 m17 o16 
illyrio [-\]: o15 would provoke white to make some invasion I think
First [2k\]: I think 1p should easily become champion
First [2k\]: but he might not come back for a while
snowman [-\]: yesterday was so much fighting that today they may take it easy
gogonuts [3d\]: but w also has r8
gogonuts [3d\]: i think im coming back to p6 :-)
Muttley [2k\]: how about k6 just to start some reduction?
Muttley [2k\]: see if w replies
gogonuts [3d\]: k6 is too respectful
gogonuts [3d\]: w wont answer
snowman [-\]: white is so flat that it doesn't make sense to reduce
illyrio [-\]: Muttley, k4 is better reduction
Muttley [2k\]: yeah, I know shoulder hit would be standard, I just wonder about the top and right, trying to work with them
gogonuts [3d\]: the real theme is the right side, but it's tricky, because it has 2 holes
Zonked [2d\]: 1.5 holes, after bottom right corner the r8 is slightly less of an issue
gogonuts [3d\]: and plugging the 2nd last hole often gets you robbed :-)
Mokki [2d\]: if b shoulder hits at M16, w can answer with jumping to O15
Zonked [2d\]: mokki, wuould be very suprised by that
gogonuts [3d\]: i think b would mind that fight
Muttley [2k\]: b 68, w 56.5
gogonuts [3d\]: god
gogonuts [3d\]: wouldn't mind
Muttley [2k\]: don't ask me to justify counting the right, its an influence and location count
gogonuts [3d\]: i have to supervise my fingers more closely
illyrio [-\]: just counting at this stage of game is bit crazy :P
Muttley [2k\]: I disagree :)
ZhugeLiang [2k\]: tartrate aproves
snowman [-\]: depends on how you count :)
dutch2dan [1d?\]: 1,2, more
Muttley [2k\]: you can take 16 off black immediately for the r13 area and say white ahead anyway
illyrio [-\]: you can just compare territories with a glance
something [1d\]: you think you should count accurately -.-
gogonuts [3d\]: I'm with you illyrio - those pros with their silly early middle game counting are just making fun of us
snowman [-\]: this is as big as that, this and that, and well this is that plus komi
gogonuts [3d\]: my left hand is as big as my right hand
Muttley [2k\]: but if you're working 1 pt accuracy, then that's not good enough
something [1d\]: my left hand is smaller than my right hand
snowman [-\]: freak
illyrio [-\]: yeah, and my head is as big as my hand and my foots combined :P
First [2k\]: get a job
gogonuts [3d\]: lol
Muttley [2k\]: and games are decided on 1 pt accuracy :))
First [2k\]: but not score estimator
First [2k\]: that is already taken
Zonked [2d\]: juri thinks for ages, and then ends up playing o15
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;B[pg]C[First [2k\]: ?
Muttley [2k\]: Muttsuji!
Zonked [2d\]: or.. q13 :P
First [2k\]: you liar
Muttley [2k\]: I rest my case.
First [2k\]: I trusted you
AurelienC [2d\]: r8 
illyrio [-\]: yeah, one of the moves I expected :D
gogonuts [3d\]: w with q3, now b with q13 - both don't want moyos
Zonked [2d\]: w sort of has to invade now I think, trying to build up the bottom seems unrealistic
snowman [-\]: that doesn't have a touch of high level go
snowman [-\]: more like jitsuyo stones
First [2k\]: this game very passive
ZhugeLiang [2k\]: well, shusaku would probably play smth like b3, so no complaints here
dent: -_- so save game
First [2k\]: most agressive was r3
something [1d\]: this game is not passive at all
gogonuts [3d\]: both have the same plan: have the other guy build a moyo :-)
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;W[pk]C[dent: atk
gogonuts [3d\]: doable move
Zonked [2d\]: weird move
AurelienC [2d\]: w has decided to make a weak group
illyrio [-\]: an here I wanted to say I have no idea how to invade
illyrio [-\]: and I would never think of this :P
Zonked [2d\]: emphasis on cutting b groups appart, why is that important? living inside would seem just as valuable if not more so
gogonuts [3d\]: w want to either break the right of get outside thickeness
snowman [-\]: the endgame begins
ZhugeLiang [2k\]: wants a wall
something [1d\]: life is all about cutting your opponents
gogonuts [3d\]: or
AurelienC [2d\]: p9 or p6 imo
gogonuts [3d\]: i thinks it's a good idea - r8 would have been more troublesome, and just p7 a littly worrysome with b standing ready at d9 to smush a moyo
Zonked [2d\]: wonder if b dares to play the m16 ladder breaker..
Zonked [2d\]: maybe r9 r8 q8 p9 s8 r10 r7 q11 m16 p10 m17?
First [2k\]: this is the fight w was looking for
something [1d\]: I dont think so
Kettu [6d\]: i think w will happily welcome M16 if it comes
Zonked [2d\]: but there is no way for b to keep his right side intact anyways? so what choice is there?
Zonked [2d\]: center looks like dame on this board so utilizing p9 does work too well?
something [1d\]: call kingmaker and ask for his opinion
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;B[qk]
;W[ql]
;B[pl]
;W[ok]C[snowman [-\]: this is according to the slow territory theme of this game
AurelienC [2d\]: p9 is about fighting, not so much getting points right away in the center, imo
Zonked [2d\]: aurelienc, what fighting? this board is extremely stable, no weak group is weak in the slightest
gogonuts [3d\]: b had a decent alternative at r10 instead of r9
AurelienC [2d\]: exactly, why let w have one more stable group ?
Zonked [2d\]: but you need to make use of p9..
gogonuts [3d\]: this already validates w r8
Ten [?\]: Maybe black will resist with ko
AurelienC [2d\]: q9 becomes attackable if b had played top hane or nobi (p10 )
Zonked [2d\]: board with this stable groups cries out for prioritizing territory, as influence will be very difficult to use to full potential
Zonked [2d\]: ten, m16 ladder breaker not valid choice (after s8 and r7 by b)?
gogonuts [3d\]: if r7, w might r10 r7 s9 
gogonuts [3d\]: despite the ladder working
Ten [?\]: M16 is too small, I feel
Zonked [2d\]: ok
Zonked [2d\]: ten, your thoughts on q13 and q3, if u will
gogonuts [3d\]: q13 and r9 together make b too flat on the right
AurelienC [2d\]: I think b is making an exchange, keeping right side and giving w a connect wall with q4 
Ten [?\]: I wouldn't play either
Zonked [2d\]: o15 instead of q13?
Ten [?\]: M16 probably
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;B[ol]C[Zonked [2d\]: hmm, ok
Zonked [2d\]: thx
Zonked [2d\]: oh, right, this variation looks quite nice for b here, on this board, no? since unless w does some crazy magic, b will keep the right side and w will get center thickness, which is difficult to use on this board?
gogonuts [3d\]: r10 s9 o9 s10 o8 p6 o6?
Turnipsi [1k?\]: I would call this fighting
snowman [-\]: if you are ahead, thickness is fine
snowman [-\]: but then it needs careful counting
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;W[qj]
;B[rk]C[Gigot [1k\]: Isn't it better with R7 for thickness?
Gabriel [2d\]: how much time left for each player?
SM2015a [?\]: B 56min, W 67min
First [2k\]: hey ten
Gabriel [2d\]: thanks
First [2k\]: will you play in finland anytime soon?
]
;W[nk]C[Ten [?\]: No
First [2k\]: ok
Zonked [2d\]: looks like w plans to do the most common continuation here
First [2k\]: well congratulations on being the strongest finnish player in history
Ten [?\]: Thanks, I guess :)
Gigot [1k\]: Do you live in Japan?
Ten [?\]: Yep
Gabriel [2d\]: why are you migrating to ogs?
Ten [?\]: I like the community there
Turnipsi [1k?\]: q11 s8 s10 q7 p7 fine?
Gabriel [2d\]: hm okay, because "which servers are best?" seems to be a growing question these days, it seems to be an egr topic more often than ever
bananalop [3k\]: s10 
Ten [?\]: I see, I've no idea which one is best
Gigot [1k\]: I see, you recently became a pro. Congrats also.
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;B[rj]C[Ten [?\]: Thanks
Turnipsi [1k?\]: ogs is superior in all aspects except nobody there
snowman [-\]: black is burning his brains - is this enough, is it not enough?
Zonked [2d\]: well, if you are looking for kibitz, then obvious choice is the Kibitz Go Server, if you want to play best choices by far are wbaduk and tygem
Zonked [2d\]: and if u want easy access, and good but not best in other classes, then OGS
Zonked [2d\]: will w make enough with the thickness he gets? hard to find the continuation move after o8
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;W[nl]
;B[on]C[First [2k\]: you forgot IGS
First [2k\]: for the big five
Zonked [2d\]: whats igs good for?
First [2k\]: big in japan
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;W[qo]C[Zonked [2d\]: whats this move?
First [2k\]: probe
Zonked [2d\]: for what?
gogonuts [3d\]: i dont believe in that move
First [2k\]: uhh
gogonuts [3d\]: bamboo
NiceGoAuth [-\]: just ignore?
dxxd [1k\]: asks maybe too much
gogonuts [3d\]: surely not b s5
Zonked [2d\]: well, tenuki is not possible I think
Pempu [1d\]: o7 n7 n6 m7 m6 l7 l6 k7 k6 seems ok
Zonked [2d\]: w r7 will cause problems
snowman [-\]: it would be interesting :)
gogonuts [3d\]: if b manages a breakout to the canter making o9 stones weak, it's a setback for w
Zonked [2d\]: o7 would be sort of answering, and would be interesting
NiceGoAuth [-\]: r7 q7?
gogonuts [3d\]: i thought so too, but that could be too much, because w has s5 sente now
NiceGoAuth [-\]: q6 oc
gogonuts [3d\]: right, just bamboo
gogonuts [3d\]: making p6 more stable is punishment enough
Turnipsi [1k?\]: why not s5
gogonuts [3d\]: with s5 the exchange helps w
Zonked [2d\]: turnipsi, nothing bad happens from it, just opportunity for b to strengthen p6 stone, which emphasies the outside
gogonuts [3d\]: b would have absolutely nothing against w o6 next
gogonuts [3d\]: but imo r5 could have used a reality check
gogonuts [3d\]: b s5 just isnt going to happen
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;B[qm]C[gogonuts [3d\]: bamboo was better imo
First [2k\]: q2 is small sente
gogonuts [3d\]: now w can still play o6
Turnipsi [1k?\]: I would have thought w finishing his wall is painful but ok as b can still invade the moyo
Zonked [2d\]: k4 and m6 sort of miai for b now
Turnipsi [1k?\]: s5 q2 p2 r1 n6 and the wall is still there
Zonked [2d\]: or maybe the miai is g4 and m6, looks more reasoanble
Zonked [2d\]: turnipsi, but its a gote wall
gogonuts [3d\]: o6 o5 n6 is worth the trouble
Zonked [2d\]: if b had answered s5, o6 would have provided sente wall
gogonuts [3d\]: w is paranoid about building a moyo after getting it smushed yesterday :-)
slim76 [1d\]: this is not entertaining at all, just endgame right after fuseki
Zonked [2d\]: w in general hates moyo games, both building moyos and playing against them, he did lose to my moyo game in a tournament year ago
gogonuts [3d\]: but even if b successfully reduces, bringing home o8 is a good idea
Turnipsi [1k?\]: o6 would have threatened what exactly?
Zonked [2d\]: turnipsi, w q6
]
;W[ip]C[Turnipsi [1k?\]: okay maybe losing the p6 stone is more points than losing s5 area, as the latter gives r2 in the process
Ten [?\]: Looks like a black win
snowman [-\]: they have definitely earned non-fighting-spirit award in this game
Ten [?\]: B15, please
Gabriel [2d\]: yeah snowman I'll agree with that :x
]
;B[nb]C[Gigot [1k\]: Juri seems to be better at yose than Juuso.
]
;W[ob]C[ihmsje [-\]: seems like close game? but maybe black is a bit thicker, what do you think?
]
;B[mb]C[Gigot [1k\]: fighting spirit is back
Ten [?\]: I have no idea what's goimg on
Ten [?\]: How is b15 still unplayed
Gigot [1k\]: Black or white b15?
SM2015a [?\]: http://bit.ly/1J0O0b0
]
;W[oc]C[Ten [?\]: Either
]
;B[mc]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: whoa i thought p17 was overplay
Zonked [2d\]: I think it is
Zonked [2d\]: but w trailing, and its complicated
Gabriel [2d\]: nice photo haha
]
;W[pb]C[Zonked [2d\]: why exchange this?
Zonked [2d\]: its not like it allowers w to play n16 anyways
Zonked [2d\]: wonder if b is having trouble finding whites reason for this exchange, and hence taking so long
Turnipsi [1k?\]: it might if r18 q16 r17 q15 gets answered?
Shanti [2k\]: If black tries to kill N18, Q18 is a very big sente move any time and white will be in a weak position
Zonked [2d\]: ya, I guess that could be a reason, but q15 not sente, and moving out, while hurting w right side, puts l17 in danger
Zonked [2d\]: r17 here would be epicest shape ever!
SM2015a [?\]: B has 33 min left and W 51min
Muttley [2k\]: q16 is da bomb
Zonked [2d\]: r17 doesnt work too well tho, then w can n16
Wagaboo [1k\]: mmh
Wagaboo [1k\]: is  q15 sente for w in br18 q16 r17 n16 m16 q16 r17 q15 ?
papapishu [1d\]: is it live or review?
Zonked [2d\]: live
Zonked [2d\]: wagaboo, not sente as in corner dies
Zonked [2d\]: but it does threatten to decude right side in sente
Zonked [2d\]: reduce*
]
;B[qb]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: b can also L18 at some point 
Wagaboo [1k\]: it's complicated
Eilinen [-\]: :D:
Wagaboo [1k\]: anyway w is quite ahead for the moment
Wagaboo [1k\]: i mean w reduction on the right was so succesfull O9 is strrrrong
Gabriel [2d\]: why is Juri on KGS? "Namii" is active (or at least not asleep) at the moment
zakheus91 [3k\]: who win in yesterday match?
illyrio [-\]: looks for ideas in kibitz
Wagaboo [1k\]: b has about 50 points and w about 55 with komi
resusou: Juri is leading at the moment
Muttley [2k\]: trust in Muttley's counting!
Muttley [2k\]: I will!
Gabriel [2d\]: what does your counting say?
SM2015a [?\]: Seems Juuso doesn't like the situation
Wagaboo [1k\]: trust in Myttley is like trust in SE :^p ( just trolling )
Shanti [2k\]: of course he doesn't. He can't hane. 
]
;W[pd]
;B[qc]C[Mukti [3d\]: How does b answer WQ15?
Gabriel [2d\]: things are getting heavy this is exciting
Wagaboo [1k\]: i just r15 i guess Mukti
gooooo [?\]: hello, who are playing?
Mukti [3d\]: But then the hane works
Knight [3k\]: hane?
Gabriel [2d\]: N16
floating [1k\]: goooo: w juuso nyyssönen 5d b juri kuronen 6d, the deciding match for the finnish championship title
Knight [3k\]: b can connect from p19 
]
;W[md]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]C[gooooo [?\]: ah nice, i don't get why names aren't in title :(
]
;B[nd]
;W[me]
;B[od]C[Knight [3k\]: lol
slim76 [1d\]: wow
]
;W[oe]
;B[pe]
;W[ne]
;B[pd]
;W[lb]C[Mukti [3d\]: What???
]
;B[pa]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: aww wty this order :( what about q5 :'(
Wagaboo [1k\]: q15*
Gelya [2d\]: sacrifice?
Shanti [2k\]: There was nothing else IMO
floating [1k\]: the mobile client doesnt show them I guess
]
;W[ke]C[gooooo [?\]: floating, nope only thing it shows is the title
gooooo [?\]: :(
Ten [?\]: I have no idea how white is supposed to win this anymore
Gabriel [2d\]: I guess it means W isn't supposed to win then :(
floating [1k\]: but would you still keep playing if you were w? :)
Gelya [2d\]: n6 is the biggest point now for w
Mokki [2d\]: is b15 still the play here?
floating [1k\]: but quite nice job to lose the chancesafter move 74 :i
Wagaboo [1k\]: b15?
Wagaboo [1k\]: why b15?
Gelya [2d\]: b15 is slow for me
Mokki [2d\]: b15 is many points and almost sente against the white group
ihmsje [-\]: after B15 b has solid lead
ihmsje [-\]: so why not B15?
Gelya [2d\]: why not n6?
slim76 [1d\]: b has a solid lead anyway, so that argument is not valid
Wagaboo [1k\]: b15 is gote and can let w catch up in the center
rkda [5k\]: b15 is 4-6 pts gote
Wagaboo [1k\]: you can play b15 if you're sure w center don't get huge
Gelya [2d\]: o9 stones nedd to be separated!
slim76 [1d\]: much bigger and senteish
ihmsje [-\]: 4-6 points? :D you´re joking^^
Mokki [2d\]: b15 more like 15 points
floating [1k\]: move 55 Ten [?\]: How is b15 still unplayed
Wagaboo [1k\]: and if you have to play an endgame move, b3 or b16 are better
Gelya [2d\]: b15 is big but not really sente
ihmsje [-\]: but B15 also weakens whits group
ihmsje [-\]: B3 just points nothing else
ihmsje [-\]: also in blacks upper left corner there is some bad aji
ihmsje [-\]: if b plays B15 theres nothing
Wagaboo [1k\]: lol
Wagaboo [1k\]: where is ajii?
Gelya [2d\]: anyway I think B must reduce W's moyo
Zonked [2d\]: l15 should be o13?
Zonked [2d\]: right now b15 probably too small
floating [1k\]: b15 b14 b16 tenuki and maybe b has many forcing moves?
Zonked [2d\]: center starting to look too dangerous
Wagaboo [1k\]: yes zonked
ihmsje [-\]: if left group is weak whites center cant become big anyway
Gelya [2d\]: l5 is risky
ihmsje [-\]: so maybe B15 best way to reduce center? ;)
Wagaboo [1k\]: if w play for example q12 , he can create very strong inlfuence or damage b territory
Nyashka [11k\]: j10
Nyashka [11k\]: :D
]
;B[bq]C[Gelya [2d\]: hmm
]
;W[be]
;B[bd]C[ihmsje [-\]: but N6 is pointless... looks like you want to attack w, but w can connect to either side always
Dent: B S5 W will play O6?
]
;W[gb]C[Gelya [2d\]: why b3?
apina [1d\]: b isn't happy with b3 now
ihmsje [-\]: now all of you think "hmm why white played B15 it´s small" right? ;)
Zonked [2d\]: b is normally the biggest yose
Zonked [2d\]: b3 is 14-17 points, depending on external factors?
Wagaboo [1k\]: y
Wagaboo [1k\]: Zonked u good ^^
Wagaboo [1k\]: as b i would gladly tenuki this G18
]
;B[bb]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: oh
Wagaboo [1k\]: that's so sad
ihmsje [-\]: thats because of the aji... I told you!
slim76 [1d\]: really!
Zonked [2d\]: b18 victory declartion
Wagaboo [1k\]: i guess, both players think they'll win? xD
Zonked [2d\]: b could well have just moved to the center, regardless of the aji in the corner
ihmsje [-\]: but compare this black corner to blacks corner if he played B15... so sad :( ;)
Wagaboo [1k\]: can someone tell me if w q12 is good or just hallucination from me
]
;W[mn]C[Kaladin [2d\]: were you talking about b15 tenuki or b15 connect all this time?
Zonked [2d\]: kaladin, b15 effectively double sente
Zonked [2d\]: since the aji aroundb13 is not tolerable for w
Kaladin [2d\]: yes, but tenuki and connect makes a huge difference, so im asking if you were talking about connecting or tenuki after getting a response after b15
Gelya [2d\]: Kaladin, b15 connect
ihmsje [-\]: of course connect
Zonked [2d\]: Im talking about why cant tenuki
Zonked [2d\]: have to connect after
]
;B[ng]C[floating [1k\]: why b18 and not f18
Zonked [2d\]: wouldnt be double sente after all if the sequence ends in gote
Gelya [2d\]: Well, I like w's moyo now
SM2015a [?\]: B has 15 min left and W 36 min
ihmsje [-\]: yes you like it because w got B15 ;)
snowman [-\]: o13 looks suspicious
Nyashka [11k\]: is it just me or w has too much on bot?
Gelya [2d\]: ihmsje, I like it anyway
Zonked [2d\]: have trouble finding a move for  w on the left side of his bottom moyo
Zonked [2d\]: no move looks pretty there
]
;W[oh]C[Gelya [2d\]: W is leading
]
;B[og]C[Zonked [2d\]: I think its even :P
slim76 [1d\]: no way, Gelya
Gelya [2d\]: W lead by komi =)
Gelya [2d\]: Territory is in black's favor, but thickness is W's
Shanti [2k\]: white's thickness will not be easy to change into more points I think
ihmsje [-\]: yes it seems hard to use the thickness...
Gelya [2d\]: We'll see this anyway)
illyrio [-\]: b leads by komi
Wagaboo [1k\]: g3g3g3
Gelya [2d\]: B doesn's have komi
zakheus91 [3k\]: i like b position....
dxxd [1k\]: I have also a feeling w leads 
Zonked [2d\]: I rather play as white on this board, but I honestly think its even
Kogokhan [1k\]: e6 seems big
Nyashka [11k\]: maybe so
Gelya [2d\]: W have favourable yose
]
;W[dn]C[ranyee [3k\]: should w find move around e6?
ranyee [3k\]: already
Gelya [2d\]: i would try f7 or g7
Kogokhan [1k\]: b has to invade or reduce heavily now
Knight [3k\]: o7
Nyashka [11k\]: b need to invade(in my two-digit-kyu opinion)
ihmsje [-\]: by playing B3 black lost initiative somehow...
Wagaboo [1k\]: g3
Wagaboo [1k\]: g3 is nice invasion point
Gelya [2d\]: Nyashka, IMDDKO
]
;B[cp]C[Eilinen [-\]: Hmm B still leading?
Wagaboo [1k\]: wa*
Wagaboo [1k\]: was
Gelya [2d\]: strange move
]
;W[dq]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: no more aji no xD
Nyashka [11k\]: Wagaboo :D
Kogokhan [1k\]: aiming e5 and then reduce moyo?
Wagaboo [1k\]: :'(
Wagaboo [1k\]: my g3
Gabriel [2d\]: makes it harder to invade so I guess B has no intention of invading?
Kogokhan [1k\]: e5 d5 g5 something like this
]
;B[ll]C[Nyashka [11k\]: wooohooo
Nyashka [11k\]: there it goes
Gabriel [2d\]: yeah reduction time
Gelya [2d\]: nice
Knight [3k\]: why?
temproxy: this is reduction ;)
Nyashka [11k\]: something tricky
Nyashka [11k\]: something interesting
slim76 [1d\]: this can't be right
Nyashka [11k\]: :3
Knight [3k\]: cut when you can cut
apina [1d\]: this looks risky
Kogokhan [1k\]: l7 ?
Mokki [2d\]: this is the grande finale for a great series :)
ranyee [3k\]: l7?
Gelya [2d\]: not l7
]
;W[nn]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: w will answer O6  or?
Gabriel [2d\]: O6
Wagaboo [1k\]: oh
Gabriel [2d\]: yeah
Nyashka [11k\]: this looks exciting
]
;B[jd]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: though O6 looks passive i guess it's the only move
apina [1d\]: where is ten's comment
Nyashka [11k\]: O_o
Gelya [2d\]: B gets scared
]
;W[kd]
;B[lf]C[Gelya [2d\]: B is confused
Nyashka [11k\]: %)
illyrio [-\]: nah, b just makes forcing moves with proper timing
Nyashka [11k\]: b m11 next?
Gelya [2d\]: B says "I don't need those ko-threats
Kogokhan [1k\]: b knows what he does. Absoultely not confused
Gelya [2d\]: Just kidding
Nyashka [11k\]: :D
Wagaboo [1k\]: n11 nah b should K8
Gelya [2d\]: W should k8
Nyashka [11k\]: need to go deeper? =)
Kettu [6d\]: feels like b is just poking around without a clear plan and hoping that a working sequence emerges
Wagaboo [1k\]: if m8 should run, K8 is right direction
Kogokhan [1k\]: waiting for inspiration :)
Nyashka [11k\]: c'mooon do something awesome!
]
;W[le]C[Gelya [2d\]: Awesome move
Nyashka [11k\]: and now...
ponnolone [8k?\]: f5?
Nyashka [11k\]: a little low, no?
ranyee [3k\]: id like w l14
Gelya [2d\]: f5?=)
Kogokhan [1k\]: be crazy. Go m5  :)
wurfmaul [2d\]: e11 to maximize the area of the triangle with m14 and m8
Gelya [2d\]: h16?
Gelya [2d\]: =)
Kogokhan [1k\]: b wants h16. But isnt it gote? b cant afford gote now
dxxd [1k\]: m10/n10
Mokki [2d\]: K8 all-in and decide the title on fighting ability
floating [1k\]: some J6 or somewhere lowish now I would go
Wagaboo [1k\]: you know at some point, you have to decide when to win the game
Wagaboo [1k\]: som try in the opening some in fighting some in endgame
Turnipsi [1k?\]: just bring something home from k6 area should do it for b
Gabriel [2d\]: I don't see B getting center points so he should think about reducing the moyo more?
]
;B[eg]C[AA76 [8k?\]: what a time please
Nyashka [11k\]: whoa
Gelya [2d\]: tenuki
SM2015a [?\]: B has 8 min and W 27 min
Nyashka [11k\]: triangle it is =)
Gelya [2d\]: k8 maybe
Dent: what mean tenuki
AA76 [8k?\]: thx
Turnipsi [1k?\]: no center area for b huh? watch this
Kogokhan [1k\]: and b should try reducing moyo deeply so we can enjoy crazy fights in the center =)
Gelya [2d\]: c13 d13
Nyashka [11k\]: Dent it means wasting some time =)
]
;W[ei]C[Gelya [2d\]: w lives anyway and the moyo is urgent
floating [1k\]: Dent: it means to ignore the local move and play elsewhere
]
;B[fk]C[Dent: white not jump
Dent: -_-
ranyee [3k\]: w didnt think alot
Gelya [2d\]: thx gyus for explanation =)
Dent: E11 ?
Gelya [2d\]: e11 is strange
Dent: F11 not good?
Gelya [2d\]: hurts himself
Dent: hmm
cambodia [7k\]: l7?
Nyashka [11k\]: e11 looks like an invasion... but b don't really have any moyo to invade
Gelya [2d\]: k8
Kettu [6d\]: now black C13 can be answered with D13
Kettu [6d\]: unlike with F11 instead of E11
Kettu [6d\]: for example
Kettu [6d\]: to highlight some potential reasons to play E11...
]
;W[il]C[Nyashka [11k\]: and a big moooove!
Nyashka [11k\]: :D
]
;B[gm]C[Gelya [2d\]: SE says W+50=)
Shanti [2k\]: we're here to fight!!
Shanti [2k\]: fight black ! fight white! fight SE!
Nyashka [11k\]: b responds with another big move
Nyashka [11k\]: something coming
]
;W[hn]C[zakheus91 [3k\]: i guess b wanted to let w keep some certain point in the bottom 
Alcyone [1k\]: w is so over-concentrated at the bottom
]
;B[gn]C[Gelya [2d\]: j4 looked really small
]
;W[ho]
;B[lj]C[Nyashka [11k\]: Gelya why? it prevents direct invasion on bot
Gelya [2d\]: maybe, but its small on that point imo
wretched [11k\]: Who is white and who is black?
Turnipsi [1k?\]: j4 been there forever though
Kogokhan [1k\]: p11 
Nyashka [11k\]: since fuseki, yeah
Gelya [2d\]: j4 is small in fuseki
SM2015a [?\]: W Juuso Nyyssönen 5d, B Juri Kuronen 6d
wretched [11k\]: Thank you
Nyashka [11k\]: what if we reverse it? how much of a difference would it be if b played j4?
Nyashka [11k\]: i'd say ~30 points minimum, and i'm really bad at counting
Gelya [2d\]: well, i think j4 should be at n6
Gelya [2d\]: b couldnt easily invade
Eilinen [-\]: Dunno really, I only know that 1+1=11
Gelya [2d\]: 1+1 is 10
Nyashka [11k\]: :D
Nyashka [11k\]: in binary, in unary - 11
]
;W[dg]C[Turnipsi [1k?\]: or mod 9
]
;B[hd]C[Nyashka [11k\]: oh, now we're getting somewhere
Zonked [2d\]: sm2015a, could you ask the players to play some moves in g8 area so score estimator works again?
Gelya [2d\]: zonked, you can do it youself
Gelya [2d\]: just clone the game
Gelya [2d\]: clown the game
Zonked [2d\]: can just view it offline too
Zonked [2d\]: just more practicalif the players do it
Nyashka [11k\]: clown the game? :DDDD
Nyashka [11k\]: didn't know there's such a feature
Gabriel [2d\]: I haven't counted or anything (..because I can't) but this game feels really close
Gabriel [2d\]: or do I suck
]
;W[oj]C[Zonked [2d\]: I would guess b has slight lead
]
;B[qi]C[Nyashka [11k\]: Gabriel don't worry, we all do =)
Zonked [2d\]: w moyo on the bottom wasnt succesfull enough
Nyashka [11k\]: only 9p does not suck
Zonked [2d\]: only ke jie, playing as white, does not suck
Zonked [2d\]: because he doesnt lose
zakheus91 [3k\]: says who even 9p can blunder
Zonked [2d\]: doesnt*
dxxd [1k\]: w needs to cut stuff
Nyashka [11k\]: zakheus91 everyone suck at go, then? =)
zakheus91 [3k\]: nope i just assume people had a bad day.....=D
Wagaboo [1k\]: last game of guli in nongship cup, he was losing and read something insane and won ^^
Wagaboo [1k\]: the game was almost over
TheClapton [?\]: wasn't the last game
TheClapton [?\]: was his game vs Kono Rin
Nyashka [11k\]: Wagaboo maybe he wasn't losing at all? maybe it just seemed so to those who're weaker? =)
TheClapton [?\]: Kim MyungWan 9p said he was losing by 10
Wagaboo [1k\]: Yes the clapton
]
;W[pr]
;B[ro]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: according to me,  he was losing by 7 or so ^^'
]
;W[br]
;B[ar]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: anyway
Wagaboo [1k\]:  here w still losing
Nyashka [11k\]: they started to make yose moves all of a sudden
ranyee [3k\]: e11 losing move?
]
;W[bs]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: center is worth nothing now w missed his chance to catch up
TheClapton [?\]: Either way, Ju* *onen gonna win
Nyashka [11k\]: you dont say =)
MacGyver [2d?\]: so b?
]
;B[ni]
;W[oi]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: wait let me count again ^^
ranyee [3k\]: l7 isnt big?
Nyashka [11k\]: time for a recount =)
Gabriel [2d\]: all these kyu players who can count
Gabriel [2d\]: and I'm like
Gabriel [2d\]: what is maths
]
;B[ln]C[Nyashka [11k\]: looks line nobody gets the center here...
Dent: b will win
Nyashka [11k\]: although some will lose in sides
]
;W[lo]
;B[kn]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: b seems ahead
ranyee [3k\]: alot
Wagaboo [1k\]: man center is so hard to count
]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]C[SM2015a [?\]: B has 3 min and W 9min
Gabriel [2d\]: the center is just no points isn't it?
Nyashka [11k\]: yeah
Nyashka [11k\]: exactly what i'm saying
Wagaboo [1k\]: you can't say it's nothing, because influence has value
Wagaboo [1k\]: and you have to read sequences
]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[do]
;B[bk]
;W[bj]C[Nyashka [11k\]: Wagaboo influence matters only when you can convert it
Nyashka [11k\]: and neither of them can
]
;B[ko]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: with the cuts left, anything is possible ^^
]
;W[lp]C[Nyashka [11k\]: with the cuts left they can spoil, but they cannot gain =)
]
;B[hl]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: anyway i think the loss in top right was too big
]
;W[ik]C[Nyashka [11k\]: maybe so
Nyashka [11k\]: ;-)
]
;B[lh]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: ok now cuts do'nt exist anymore ^^
Oni [-\]: j7 ?
Wagaboo [1k\]: j7 don't work
]
;W[hk]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: j7 h9 
]
;B[gk]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: or just  K7
]
;W[ak]
;B[al]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: because J5 and J6 aren't points anyway
]
;W[aj]
;B[bm]C[bass [-\]: e18, then cruise control to championship?
]
;W[dl]C[Nyashka [11k\]: e8?
]
;B[cl]C[snowman [-\]: senteish
]
;W[fb]C[snowman [-\]: very close, i think
]
;B[eb]
;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[ef]C[Gigot [1k\]: Black a bit better maybe
Dent: Black better
SM2015a [?\]: B in byo-yomi
Dent: he control directon of middle game
tadanobu [12k?\]: nothing and everything is possimpible
]
;B[ic]
;W[ib]
;B[fg]C[YoungPro [-\]: w is leading by komi
YoungPro [-\]: i like white
Mukti [3d\]: Huh? What s this move?
Tichu [6d?\]: little less than komi
Mukti [3d\]: P5 feels biggest to me.
YoungPro [-\]: around 4 points
SM2015a [?\]: W in byo-yomi as well
Mukti [3d\]: B made himself heavy 
]
;W[ff]
;B[gg]C[Gigot [1k\]: was F13 really needed?
Nyashka [11k\]: Mukti that was intentional =)
Nyashka [11k\]: you have to be heavy to play solid
Wagaboo [1k\]: p5worth 5.5 pts
]
;W[ma]C[snowman [-\]: p5 looks big, yes
]
;B[oa]C[YoungPro [-\]: it is
YoungPro [-\]: white should play it now
YoungPro [-\]: its 6 points
Wagaboo [1k\]: it's  quite gote
YoungPro [-\]: actually 8 points
Wagaboo [1k\]: heh?
]
;W[oo]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: Oo
MacGyver [2d?\]: p5 p7 n7 ?
Wagaboo [1k\]: 8 points?
YoungPro [-\]: 8 points gote is pretty good at this stage
YoungPro [-\]: yeah
YoungPro [-\]: white can capture with p8l ater
YoungPro [-\]: p7 *
]
;B[ae]C[Mukti [3d\]: I would make it 6,5
]
;W[af]
;B[ad]C[Mukti [3d\]: because w follow up is gote.
YoungPro [-\]: i make it for sure 8 points
Mukti [3d\]: so 5+0,5*3
YoungPro [-\]: g17
swedish2k [7d\]: i agree with mukti
Wagaboo [1k\]: i'll finnish working on my reading and counting with guanzipu
Wagaboo [1k\]: sigh these books are so good
]
;W[gf]C[Wagaboo [1k\]: next time i'll count correctly è_é
YoungPro [-\]: center is fully dame
]
;B[hg]
;W[eh]C[YoungPro [-\]: g5 is big
]
;B[om]
;W[mm]
;B[kl]
;W[jc]
;B[id]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: o12 
Zonked [3d\]: w+2.5
]
;W[ji]C[Gigot [1k\]: 1477 problems in Guanzi Pu...
]
;B[fo]
;W[fp]
;B[go]
;W[gp]C[snowman [-\]: looks like a white win
Ten [?\]: That it does
MacGyver [2d?\]: +time
Ten [?\]: I started wondering "how did that happen", scrolled back and saw b3 and then b18...
slim76 [1d\]: Move 74 Ten [?\]: I have no idea how white is supposed to win this anymore
Ten [?\]: slim76, see above
snowman [-\]: how about o13
slim76 [1d\]: yes
Zonked [3d\]: slim, with opponents help ofcourse
ihmsje [-\]: lol  what did I tell you about B3?^^
Gabriel [2d\]: B18 seemed too confident
Ten [?\]: What is o13?
]
;B[qs]
;W[ps]C[Zonked [3d\]: ten, b18 and o13, victory declarations, no?
madingo [4k\]: boring game
ihmsje [-\]: @Ten: B3 better B15?
Ten [?\]: Zonked, doesn't feel like it though
Wagaboo [1k\]: the game is closer than i thought
Ten [?\]: ihmsje, that's what I thought
]
;B[rs]C[snowman [-\]: r1 is 3 points +
]
;W[ki]
;B[li]
;W[nh]
;B[mh]C[Javaness [2d\]: let's not get overly geometric about this
Ten [?\]: 3 1/3
Ten [?\]: De-iri
Ten [?\]: So 1 2/3
]
;W[kg]
;B[mg]C[Gigot [1k\]: g11?
Gabriel [2d\]: huh java did you always have a rank? I thought you were [-\]
Zonked [3d\]: g17 or l10?
]
;W[gi]C[Zonked [3d\]: why is g11 important?
snowman [-\]: all dame
Zonked [3d\]: wasnt it all dame before too?
ranyee [3k\]: g11 bad
MacGyver [2d?\]: unless kill
]
;B[hf]C[Gigot [1k\]: White can G15
snowman [-\]: g17 and f19 combination should be big
Zonked [3d\]: not to mention, w dont need to kill in order to win
]
;W[ge]C[ihmsje [-\]: K13 maybe?
]
;B[jf]C[bass [-\]: w is trying to make a point :-)
Gigot [1k\]: I misread
Ten [?\]: White f19 looks like it'll be tedomari
]
;W[ea]C[Ten [?\]: Well, that's possible too, I guess
]
;B[da]C[snowman [-\]: too simple for us :)
]
;W[kf]
;B[gd]
;W[fa]C[Gigot [1k\]: G17 can be tedomari
Zonked [3d\]: very educational this kibitz
Gabriel [2d\]: what does tedomari mean 
Ten [?\]: Now at most half a point can be gained, normally speaking
Zonked [3d\]: last point of its size
]
;B[bf]
;W[ag]C[Ten [?\]: Drop in the temperature of the value of moves
Gabriel [2d\]: oh I see
Gabriel [2d\]: thanks
]
;B[kj]C[Zonked [3d\]: as gogo pointed out, worth fighting over
Zonked [3d\]: w can afford to give b 2 points in the center?
]
;W[hm]
;B[gl]C[Ten [?\]: Well, it's the same 1-point endgame as many other ones
Ten [?\]: Nothing to get excited over
]
;W[ca]
;B[db]C[Gigot [1k\]: Time move?
Zonked [3d\]: surely
Ten [?\]: That possibly lost something
SM2015a [?\]: Yeah like b14
Gigot [1k\]: indeed
]
;W[jk]C[Tichu [6d?\]: it lost like one third of a point
Zonked [3d\]: right, 1 point loss if h14 tail doesnt make an eye
Ten [?\]: Well, there's the d16 endgame too, which just got smaller
Zonked [3d\]: no wait.. isnt d16 b priviledge
Zonked [3d\]: in which case no loss
Ten [?\]: Not complete privilege
Tichu [6d?\]: no cause you still need to get d16 which is not likely cause for black it is atari
]
;B[gc]
;W[hb]C[Gabriel [2d\]: yose theory goes over my head so much, I clearly have learning to do
Mukti [3d\]: D16 looks like dame to me WD16, BF15.
]
;B[bg]
;W[ah]C[Gigot [1k\]: In yose, you have to play the biggest moves
snowman [-\]: yesterday evening game was a good study material for endgame theory
Tichu [6d?\]: but white maybe could gain a little with k13
Tichu [6d?\]: but not really cause d16
]
;B[el]
;W[ej]
;B[ek]C[Zonked [3d\]: snowman, as in how not to play it?
]
;W[ih]
;B[jj]
;W[ij]C[Ten [?\]: This is, what, a white half-pointer?
Nyashka [11k\]: this isn't done yet?!
]
;B[bh]
;W[ai]C[Zonked [3d\]: think w has more margin
Zonked [3d\]: w+1.5 or 2.5
]
;B[kh]C[Ten [?\]: Oh, wait a second, white played worse than what I'd imagined
Ten [?\]: Hmm...
]
;W[gj]
;B[hh]
;W[hi]C[snowman [-\]: b 63, w 59, about
First [2k\]: it's like a sauna out here
swedish2k [7d\]: yes about +3 for white
snowman [-\]: p14 and q6 should be bigger than this
Oni [-\]: k13 
First [2k\]: if prodigious is champion I will be super happy
]
;B[jh]C[swedish2k [7d\]: is this the deciding game?
Zonked [3d\]: yes
]
;W[ii]C[Ten [?\]: It still looks like a half-pointer, I get
kmr [2d\]: damn all i see is Swedish 1k,2k...and so on.And all are high dans.Thats kind of cheat...
ihmsje [-\]: ^^
]
;B[eo]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: l4 b
Zonked [3d\]: w k5?
First [2k\]: sweden is filled with sandbaggers
PhapHoa [5k\]: k4?
Javaness [2d\]: is there a nice prize for winning the championship?
snowman [-\]: white played many moves to get one point in the center
First [2k\]: the title
]
;W[of]C[First [2k\]: and a belt
]
;B[pf]C[Knight [3k\]: and beer
Turnipsi [1k?\]: :O
Zonked [3d\]: and bragging rights
Tichu [6d?\]: w+2.5
Javaness [2d\]: white+score estimator
MacGyver [2d?\]: l4 w
]
;W[jp]C[PhapHoa [5k\]: right at a time
Turnipsi [1k?\]: b could play k4 as sente any time...
kmr [2d\]: i think in 2014 there was very nice prize for winning Dutch champ, thousends of euros if i correctly remember
]
;B[ep]
;W[eq]C[Ten [?\]: Wait, wasn't k5 better than k4
Tichu [6d?\]: same
Ten [?\]: How so?
]
;B[nj]C[Tichu [6d?\]: cause k6
Ten [?\]: Then l4
Tichu [6d?\]: then go to j6
Ten [?\]: Then j5
]
;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[mk]C[Mukti [3d\]: Q6
PhapHoa [5k\]: j6?
Zonked [3d\]: then its guaranteed 1 point, where as now w only has option for 1 point
]
;B[pn]C[Ten [?\]: So half-point better
Tichu [6d?\]: right 
PhapHoa [5k\]: q11?
First [2k\]: q6 was sente
Ten [?\]: Q6 was probably the last one-pointer
Turnipsi [1k?\]: d16 valuable
Ten [?\]: Small tedomari there
Mukti [3d\]: B seeems slightly ahead, he ained in yose.
First [2k\]: tedomari?
]
;W[po]C[Zonked [3d\]: first, last of its kind :)
floating [1k\]: hand stopper!
Turnipsi [1k?\]: sente and will not lose point is w cuts
Toge [1d\]: Tedomari means last play, which has value of its own
ranyee [3k\]: i counted equal
Toge [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tedomari
Tichu [6d?\]: w winning
Ten [?\]: Last half-point ko?
PhapHoa [5k\]: j6?
]
;B[la]
;W[ka]C[First [2k\]: what is m19?
Mukti [3d\]: Gain time.
Tichu [6d?\]: timesuji?
Oni [-\]: timetesuji?
ponnolone [8k?\]: yep
First [2k\]: ko threat wasted
SM2015a [?\]: Sure
Mukti [3d\]: E7 biggest.
Tichu [6d?\]: no ko on the board so 
Pempu [1d\]: E6
Ten [?\]: Oh, white has enough without winning the final ko
Tichu [6d?\]: q11 potentially though
]
;B[em]C[ranyee [3k\]: where is ko?
Ten [?\]: It's going to be at r10
]
;W[en]C[Ten [?\]: I am psychic
]
;B[pi]C[Ten [?\]: Huh
inte [?\]: hah
ranyee [3k\]: k5?
Mukti [3d\]: ?
Mukti [3d\]: 1/3 point, when there is still a 2 point move?
Javaness [2d\]: career as a psychic just ended
Ten [?\]: Q11 was 2/3
]
;W[jo]C[Ten [?\]: F6 is 3/4
Zonked [3d\]: q11 was 3/2 point move, f6 is 4/5 point move
Zonked [3d\]: err.. 4/3 point
Zonked [3d\]: 3/2 vs 4/3
Turnipsi [1k?\]: isn't q11 between 1 and 2 points, eye at r10?
]
;B[jm]C[floating [1k\]: how do you count those
Zonked [3d\]: eh.. no, Im wrong
snowman [-\]: i'll have a headache with your deiris
]
;W[lm]C[Ten [?\]: Just use my numbers :)
Zonked [3d\]: both were 3/2
Mukti [3d\]: I agree with 4/3, still F6 is 2 points.
Zonked [3d\]: oh
floating [1k\]: impasible
]
;B[km]C[First [2k\]: I believe in prodigious
Ten [?\]: If you want deiri, just multiple by 2
]
;W[fn]C[Tichu [6d?\]: at this stage of the game f6 isn't 2 points
Ten [?\]: It's never 2
]
;B[fm]C[Mukti [3d\]: It's still sente
Turnipsi [1k?\]: f6 is not 2 as w can't deny 2, only 1 at a time
PhapHoa [5k\]: D16
Mukti [3d\]: Other moves were clarly gote.
]
;W[im]C[Mukti [3d\]: clearly*
Zonked [3d\]: ah, ko was smaller because b would hold ko first even after w plays q11, hence w holds 2/3 of theko value?
Ten [?\]: This is white 1.5, then?
Zonked [3d\]: err.. b holds 2/3
Ten [?\]: If black fought the ko, he could have had a half-pointer
]
;B[jn]
;W[in]C[First [2k\]: man
First [2k\]: prodigious the best
ranyee [3k\]: se says w is 2.5 p lead
Gabriel [2d\]: go prodi
Ten [?\]: Ranyee, d14 is no point
Mukti [3d\]: Now w wins by 1,5.
]
;B[na]
;W[la]C[Gabriel [2d\]: but i like namii too so
ihmsje [-\]: SE knows nothing...
]
;B[kp]
;W[jg]C[snowman [-\]: some pressure :)
]
;B[he]C[First [2k\]: it has started
First [2k\]: the dame filling
Mukti [3d\]: Let's hope w does not forget to add a move on the left...
Gigot [1k\]: J13
]
;W[je]
;B[if]C[Gigot [1k\]: So white will only have 1 group
]
;W[df]
;B[dd]
;W[ee]C[Mukti [3d\]: A game with one short fight.
Mukti [3d\]: Both playing tightly because it's the final, probably.
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes we haven't seen alot of fighting in this match
]
;B[aq]
;W[cr]C[ranyee [3k\]: 1.5 p?
]
;B[ml]C[floating [1k\]: why namii didnt fight, isnt he a fighter
]
;W[nm]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: but they still have alot of analyses to do over x-mas
]
;B[jl]
;W[ig]
;B[fe]
;W[fh]
;B[fj]
;W[gh]
;B[fi]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: read namii's profile ^^
]
;W[mf]
;B[lg]C[First [2k\]: haha you got it
]
;W[nf]
;B[ie]
;W[as]C[First [2k\]: the 1 group strategy completed
ranyee [3k\]: why do they fill dame?
Javaness [2d\]: onnea suomi
]
;B[]C[GoSuGo [4d\]: dang its over already :s
]
;W[]TW[ga][ha][ia][ja][jb][kb][ld][bf][cf][bg][cg][bh][ch][dh][bi][hj][io][mo][no][hp][mp][np][op][gq][hq][iq][jq][lq][mq][oq][dr][er][fr][gr][hr][ir][jr][kr][lr][mr][nr][or][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ms][ns][os]TB[aa][ba][ca][qa][ra][sa][ab][cb][ob][pb][rb][sb][ac][bc][cc][nc][oc][rc][sc][rd][sd][qe][re][se][qf][rf][sf][qg][rg][sg][rh][sh][ri][si][qj][sj][sk][bl][fl][ql][rl][sl][am][pm][rm][sm][an][bn][rn][sn][ao][so][ap][sp][sq][sr][ss]C[MacGyver [2d?\]: easier to count
snowman [-\]: i guess it's in the rules
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes they are counting manually, didn't do that in ages
MacGyver [2d?\]: \\o/ yay prodi, yay yligo
Oni [-\]: ranyee if group share dame it's seki
ranyee [3k\]: do they count by themselves or use se?
First [2k\]: haha
MacGyver [2d?\]: manually
First [2k\]: they go to KGS to do the scoring 
SM2015a [?\]: W wins 1,5 points
Kettu [6d\]: well done juuso
First [2k\]: haha just kidding
Kettu [6d\]: grats
snowman [-\]: congrats to prodi
Pyoveli [2d\]: congrats prodi :)
Vipu [3k\]: Hyvä Prodi!
Oni [-\]: gtz
Gardan [?\]: Onnee prodi!
YZ1509 [4d\]: thx for the splendid flawless relays
First [2k\]: all hail prodigious
dxxd [1k\]: Onnea Juuso!
MacGyver [2d?\]: the new king of finland
medical [-\]: grattis!
slim76 [1d\]: Onnittelut!
YZ1509 [4d\]: except for move one ofcourse ^^
]))
