(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[2700]
GN[Takapotku Open 2013 Round 4 Board 1]PW[Su Yang]PB[Antti törmänen]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2013-06-09]EV[Takapotku Open 2013]PC[Helsinki]US[lupis]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]
;B[de]
;W[oc]
;B[cc]C[MitaniKun [5k?\]: what tournament is this?
jytsao [-\]: takapotku open
ausrussell [4k?\]: stream?
Roflcopter [-\]: hello
Roflcopter [-\]: eurogo hi
hiiipoy7: this is some slow opening
cwelsh [?\]: is there a wall list (results sheet) for this year's results?
MitaniKun [5k?\]: C18
]
;W[pn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Results: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/urtela/tournamets/ 
ptilu [2k\]: q15 or something around there
Lacrimosa [?\]: this works better http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/urtela/tournaments/
ivank [3k\]: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/urtela/tournaments/wall_3.html
]
;B[pe]
;W[kc]C[snowman [-\]: Q6 is the first move out of the book
snowman [-\]: or my database is outdated...
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;B[ql]C[snowman [-\]: M17 instead of L17 is normal too
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;W[pp]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: livestream at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;B[qq]C[Mokki [?\]: black aiming at upper left corner by playing R3?
costins [2k\]: no
MitaniKun [5k?\]: O4
shakti [-\]: i doubt it
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;W[oq]C[gooooo [-\]: stream seems down
snowman [-\]: reading O3 variations...
shakti [-\]: black will p4 surely
shakti [-\]: p2 possible but i doubt his fightingspirit will allow it
profan [-\]: where is takpotku?
Michi86 [?\]: In helsinki
Michi86 [?\]: Finland
profan [-\]: ty
Michi86 [?\]: EuroGoTV, you happen to know against who Valkonen is playing this round?
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;B[nq]
;W[or]
;B[op]
;W[nr]C[kt123 [3d\]: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/urtela/tournaments/pairing_3.html 
xDragon [?\]: stream is down, yes
snowman [-\]: this is how far tenba counted with O3 :)
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;B[np]C[Zahlman [1k\]: just connect solidly yeah
Zahlman [1k\]: r4?
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;W[qp]
;B[rp]C[Zahlman [1k\]: s5 s3 m3 or something...
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm m3 might not work
twoody [3k\]: I like s6 :)
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(;W[mr])
(;W[mq]C[MitaniKun [5k?\]: how much time left?
Krapsman [3k\]: o6?
Mokki [-\]: I like R6 here
cwelsh [?\]: its fischer time, so hard to say how much time left
MitaniKun [5k?\]: P7?
blurb1: n4
Roflcopter [-\]: well
Roflcopter [-\]: w is is favorite on that tournament?
MitaniKun [5k?\]: S6
blurb1: nono its b^^
]
;B[pm]C[Roflcopter [-\]: b plays on kgs?
blurb1: tien
suerte [2k\]: b = Tien 
MitaniKun [5k?\]: what is his rank on KGS?
blurb1: 8d
MitaniKun [5k?\]: I think fischer time is better than byo yomi
blurb1: yes u can accumulate time in forced sequences
]
;W[rq]
;B[rr]C[suerte [2k\]: + how much / move ?
MitaniKun [5k?\]: 1 min?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 20s
]
;W[qr]
;B[sq]
;W[pr]
;B[rq]C[Gardan [?\]: currently list in EGD Antti is 16. and Su is 27.
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;W[qn]C[hiiipoy7: this is an interesting joseki...
Backflash [-\]: su-27 great fighter jet
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;B[on]
;W[ro]C[xPillow [4k\]: :| now what
snowman [-\]: funny sequence
sagesse [-\]: t5 maybe?
Backflash [-\]: influence
gooooo [-\]:  resign! :)
MitaniKun [5k?\]: black resign?
Gardan [?\]: why?
Lesmian [1d\]: sure, now they are just discussing variations
xPillow [4k\]: what really?
capnattack [6k\]: you might get the answer by checking the video pillow
xDragon [?\]: you might want to talk to them about fixing the video then
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I have sent a highly trained lupis to do the job
gogonuts [5d?\]: looks like q7 was an antti-suji
Legendre [-\]: it is ko right?
suerte [2k\]: :)
ChemBoy613 [-\]: q7 looks so good at the time
Pinguschaf [?\]: i think b is ok
gogonuts [5d?\]: sry, that joke must be really old :-)
Pinguschaf [?\]: its quite annoying to capture the corner for white
igaz [?\]: .
suerte [2k\]: it may be old but that's not an objection :)
Backflash [-\]: corner is just 25-27 pts, give it up
shakti [-\]: b outside not impressive enough to just die here
shakti [-\]: needs something
Gardan [?\]: and it is not without aji so b can close right side fully
Backflash [-\]: he needs two free moves
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;B[rm]C[suerte [2k\]: something, at least sente 
XiaoDragon [1k\]: yeah b isn't exactly thick
pokeball [1d\]: b is exactly thick
XiaoDragon [1k\]: doubt b can fix his shape in sente
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;W[so]C[shakti [-\]: seems ko is unavoidable
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;B[rn]
;W[qo]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: we have an X pillow an X dragon and an little dragon
Backflash [-\]: w just avoided one ko
Lesmian [1d\]: there is another one
XiaoDragon [1k\]: where?
Ukulele [-\]: s1?
Roflcopter [-\]: hey chem
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;B[mp]C[pokeball [1d\]: do not worry, i contain creatures.
Lesmian [1d\]: p5 was a ko
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;W[rs]C[Lesmian [1d\]: but black avoid it, they are not fond of ko
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;B[lq]C[hiiipoy7: p3 is too proverplay
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;W[mr]
;B[lp]C[hiiipoy7: feels good for b
pokeball [1d\]: b is exactly thick.
hiiipoy7: w only 17pts ish
XiaoDragon [1k\]: turns out black result not bad at all
gogonuts [5d?\]: b could not play s1
pokeball [1d\]: now d10
shakti [-\]: w shaking his head
costins [2k\]: instead of s6 why not r5 first for b?
Xgirlfrend: bettser result for B in corner?
suerte [2k\]: now you can call that thickness
xDragon [?\]: and w has a huge bottle of coke
pokeball [1d\]: w has captured a pokemon!
rats [2d?\]: why would w be shaking his head
Legendre [-\]: this is too good for black
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he always has a bottle of coke. it's not exactly newsworthy anymore
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;W[dj]C[Xgirlfrend: there's video?
Architect [2k\]: ~
XiaoDragon [1k\]: coke, beverage of champions
rats [2d?\]: xDragon - it's a full size bottle of coke, just so we're clear
xDragon [?\]: well im not from finland so i dont get to see him every tournament
pokeball [1d\]: now n17
gooooo [-\]: full size?
hiiipoy7: 2liters of coke?
gooooo [-\]: 1.5l? 2l?
gogonuts [5d?\]: really good for b? -- its 1 move less for w
hiiipoy7: thats hardcore
rats [2d?\]: it's a running joke from yesterday, gooooo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: livestream at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
gogonuts [5d?\]: p7 isnt a problem right now, but it still could become one
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;B[cn]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[fp]C[shakti [-\]: i prefer w too
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;B[dl]C[shakti [-\]: it should suit jeffs style too
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;W[cg]C[pokeball [1d\]: i prefer a lady labeled jennifer
miao [6d\]: hm
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;B[dd]
;W[cj]C[miao [6d\]: it is sd?
hiiipoy7: i guess not
miao [6d\]: c10?
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;B[ec]C[miao [6d\]: so solid
shakti [-\]: fisher 20s someone said
hiiipoy7: c10 seems playable, a bit weird tho, i would c9
miao [6d\]: y c9 is normal
miao [6d\]: c10 too passive
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: times are 45 minutes with a 20 second fischer increment
XiaoDragon [1k\]: yeah c10 don't look right 
hiiipoy7: well its passive and super agressive
pokeball [1d\]:  what does the word increment mean?
McCallaway [2d\]:  C10 looks like better shape
hiiipoy7: you get 20secs each move you play?
gogonuts [5d?\]: added :-)
Xgirlfrend: what's a fischer increment?
pokeball [1d\]: ^
miao [6d\]: wow
gogonuts [5d?\]: an addition performed by fischer
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in this case it means that at the end of every move a certain amount of time is added to the players clock
nepal999 [1d?\]: whats the direction now
miao [6d\]: fisher is nice
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;W[gm]C[miao [6d\]: so they play rather fast
XiaoDragon [1k\]: so this is a much longer game that it seems at first glance
profan [-\]: is low right corner a fair trade?
Xgirlfrend: so clock ticks down, but at moves end some time is added?
gogonuts [5d?\]: yes, fischer is the sanest time rule
gogonuts [5d?\]: much saner than its inventor was
miao [6d\]: lol
miao [6d\]: not so hard
miao [6d\]: :D
pokeball [1d\]: can a person be exactly sane?
profan [-\]: no :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: wischer has become very popular in finnish tournaments over the last few years
hiiipoy7: its like 90 mins SD i guess, but you must keep a decent speed
profan [-\]: not in my country :)
gogonuts [5d?\]: allowing e17 was scandalous :-)
miao [6d\]: a bit
gooooo [-\]: gogo, bad trade?
gogonuts [5d?\]: w needs a really good result from this g7 now
nepal999 [1d?\]: worse than alowing g7?
miao [6d\]: w aiming for the cut
pokeball [1d\]: w is leading
gogonuts [5d?\]: i will just call it "adventurous" :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and now we're on it; time left 27 minutes for both
nepal999 [1d?\]: i guess g7 doesnt make much influence cause of the black group on the right
gogonuts [5d?\]: my feeling is that w is putting a too large emphasis on the p7 option
htshh: hah, Jeff with cola as usual
pokeball [1d\]: c6 and e17 sucked?
suerte [2k\]: but how is black supposed to handle that ?
gogonuts [5d?\]: b got a lot with e17
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;B[gk]C[pokeball [1d\]: like 10 pts?
gogonuts [5d?\]: wow
DangoMango [2k\]: g9 is interesting
XiaoDragon [1k\]: much more than 10...
gogonuts [5d?\]: g9 feels wrong to me
pokeball [1d\]: lol g9
nepal999 [1d?\]: my first thought now is CUT!
McCallaway [2d\]: yes but how cut?
gogonuts [5d?\]: playing such a sabaki move close to the super-solid c10/d10
Michi86 [?\]: cut first, think later, then cut anyway
Gardan [?\]: compare if w got e17 and how that would change status of top area .. its huge
gogonuts [5d?\]: crude f8?
nepal999 [1d?\]: dunno yet mccallaway :)
pokeball [1d\]: don't underestimate the power of rebellion people
McCallaway [2d\]: ^^
suerte [2k\]: what would you have played then ?
profan [-\]: g7 is in danger after cut?
gogonuts [5d?\]: maybe just f8
gogonuts [5d?\]: for b
medical [3k\]: f8 seems more natural
DangoMango [2k\]: if f8,  then e9
gogonuts [5d?\]: yes, dango, but is that good?
medical [3k\]: b can sacrifice d8 stones for a wall :)
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;W[fk]C[gogonuts [5d?\]: and w wants even more
XiaoDragon [1k\]: black can't really sacrifice here...
Pinguschaf [?\]: now whites c10 is paying off :)
XiaoDragon [1k\]: c6 stones are pretty heavy at this point
hiiipoy7: this fight looks ok for w
gogonuts [5d?\]: yes, b helped the value of c10 go up :-)
profan [-\]: e9 !
rats [2d?\]: of course the fight looks good for w, b tenukied once, then g9 overplay :p
profan [-\]: :)
Kajiura [7k\]: cut ?
nepal999 [1d?\]: e9 f9
pokeball [1d\]: can an object's value exactly be brought up by an action?
XiaoDragon [1k\]: certainly
profan [-\]: e9 f9 e10!
Wang1 [1k\]: strong move
XiaoDragon [1k\]: in the same way that you can make your opponents stones inefficient
XiaoDragon [1k\]: you can make them more efficient
gogonuts [5d?\]: e9 f10
pokeball [1d\]: hmm
pokeball [1d\]: too deep
gogonuts [5d?\]: w wont let b out
nepal999 [1d?\]: oh yeah, i meant f10
miao [6d\]: b has a plan?
XiaoDragon [1k\]: seems werid to play g9
profan [-\]: e9 f10 e10 e11 f8 g8 f11 
Gardan [?\]: several I guess 
XiaoDragon [1k\]: if you don't read the waist cut...
gogonuts [5d?\]: maybe there is a magic life combo
hiiipoy7: maybe c3 and hope for an exchange...
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;B[gn]C[hiiipoy7: wow
nepal999 [1d?\]: yeah but what then profan
miao [6d\]: i wanna see
rats [2d?\]: should be able to break out
miao [6d\]: this is shape but doesn´t seem to work to me
hiiipoy7: f6 f8 g8 f7 ?
gogonuts [5d?\]: good move
profan [-\]: g6 sounds good to me, perhaps is w turn now :)
XiaoDragon [1k\]: so miao
atworld [2k\]: b try to make outside wall?
nepal999 [1d?\]: f6 is the only move i see
gogonuts [5d?\]: w g5?
miao [6d\]: :)
XiaoDragon [1k\]: would you say that good shape is the starting point for reading?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: antti probably checking whether to break out or sacrifice
miao [6d\]: no
ad2dd: only way b wants to win is to create a ko
miao [6d\]: you read all
snowman [-\]: sacrifice again?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: game deciding moyo!
htshh: black sacrifices and creates a huge vertical wall at H column to play good with right-side stones
profan [-\]: g6 is to prepare e9 :)
pokeball [1d\]: h3
caprice [1d\]: f6 and then crosscut?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: corner still open as well so not even such a big loss if he throws away those 3 stones
XiaoDragon [1k\]: h3 is way too leisurely imo
holynec [-\]: Haro my friends. I am horinec!
mez [10k\]: j3?
snowman [-\]: i don't see any alternative to F6
gogonuts [5d?\]: played g8
profan [-\]: if h3 why not k3?
gogonuts [5d?\]: eurogo ...
hiiipoy7: g8  is a nice idea
pokeball [1d\]: the only alternative is h3
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: c'mon, it would be fun
XiaoDragon [1k\]: k3 too close to black thickness
gogonuts [5d?\]: moves missing
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;W[gl]
;B[fn]
;W[hn]C[Hiridur [2d\]: kirjaaja voi kysellä järjestystä, jos siinä on epäselvyyttä
profan [-\]: w looks a bit greedy
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;B[gp]C[htshh: just put the stones in any order!
htshh: doesn't mind
profan [-\]: h5 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nii lupis, kyhää stemuja laudalle
pokeball [1d\]: see? w should have h3
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;W[ho]C[Jhyn [3k\]: bläck äheäd
snowman [-\]: more beer for the scribe
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;B[fq]
;W[eq]C[Blair [5k\]: if b wanted to make a wall, then it is lost
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lupis doesn't need a beer, i do
gogonuts [5d?\]: b g5 next
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;B[go]
;W[fr]
;B[gq]C[gogonuts [5d?\]: right
holynec [-\]: give him a beer >:O
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;W[gr]C[profan [-\]: bad shape for black!
XiaoDragon [1k\]: ಠ_ಠ
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;B[hm]C[XiaoDragon [1k\]: nooo the look of disapproval doesn't show up :O
hiiipoy7: yesterday i heard a tygem 9d say 看不到特别好点，所以随便下一个吧, made me like go even more :p
Jhyn [3k\]: yes it does
caprice [1d\]: so umm what exactly did w gain?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see how they treat me. all I get is abuse
profan [-\]: h9 ?
nepal999 [1d?\]: pooooor EGTV1
gogonuts [5d?\]: bad result for w from that promising position
pokeball [1d\]: yep
nepal999 [1d?\]: bring out the violins
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: well we did sleep in the same bed last night. I feel like the abused one
pokeball [1d\]: w should hve h3
nepal999 [1d?\]: :)
htshh: EGTV1: no lazing around while work!
gogonuts [5d?\]: should have gone with g5 instead of g8 :-)
nepal999 [1d?\]: should have f6
gogonuts [5d?\]: very nice cut instead of just J3
profan [-\]: is h3 an option?
nepal999 [1d?\]: actually, g5 was a lot nicer
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but I gave you beer!. it's not my fault you refused to drink it..
gogonuts [5d?\]: suddenly w really has to worry about h5/h6
atworld [2k\]: the problem is escaping h6 or not?
nepal999 [1d?\]: j3 is winking at me
Pinguschaf [?\]: worry? its more like how to sacrifice
gogonuts [5d?\]: lol
gogonuts [5d?\]: thats true
gogonuts [5d?\]: so much for the attack on b
hiiipoy7: maybe w should just take the ponnuki
Hiridur [2d\]: seems from eurogotv1-2 comments like i was right to leave early from the sauna =)
Pinguschaf [?\]: too slow
Pinguschaf [?\]: white is already strong on the left
profan [-\]: h8 or g8?
hiiipoy7: yeah but hard to get rid of the aji in another way...
hiiipoy7: g10 j7 tenuki?
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;W[im]C[centurion: can black invade lower left still?
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;B[hl]
;W[hk]
;B[il]
;W[iq]
;B[gj]C[XiaoDragon [1k\]: wow is this possible?
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;W[fl]C[hiiipoy7: bold..
nepal999 [1d?\]: nice
Hiridur [2d\]: sun kännys saatto kuolla just
suerte [2k\]: j4 sooner or later ? f10 first ?
gogonuts [5d?\]: w doesnt scare easily
profan [-\]: so w decided to leave center to black to invade later?
]
;B[ip]C[htshh: this is scary for black :!
]
;W[hp]C[gogonuts [5d?\]: scarier for w, imo
BoSunHac [4d\]: scary for white i say
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;B[hq]C[XiaoDragon [1k\]: white decided to continue attack on f3
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;W[jp]C[XiaoDragon [1k\]: seems... very difficult though
profan [-\]: ko?
pokeball [1d\]: b n17
]
;B[jq]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: n17?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i dont like this :_( no world domination moyo
Kajiura [7k\]: must eat ?
Blair [5k\]: sorry, who are the players
suerte [2k\]: black needs speed and so he goes for a ko
Blair [5k\]: ,
Blair [5k\]: ?
htshh: top two Finnish players
nepal999 [1d?\]: i'd never have found k3 :(
profan [-\]: Options/rules to see players
htshh: Su Yang and Antti Törmänen
suerte [2k\]: W → Su Yang 6d / B → Antti Törmänen 6d
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;W[io]
;B[ir]C[Blair [5k\]: thx
XiaoDragon [1k\]: k3 seems pretty standard...
Kajiura [7k\]: k8
XiaoDragon [1k\]: for making ko...
gogonuts [5d?\]: i think w just decided that losing this attack loses the game, so he might as well take any risk
Pinguschaf [?\]: doesnt look that hopeless for white
miao [6d\]: i agree
atworld [2k\]: it seems no threat
profan [-\]: isnt w shape heavy?
Pinguschaf [?\]: i expected worse
suerte [2k\]: black will lose something here, sure
miao [6d\]: not so sure
pokeball [1d\]: time to move on guys
pokeball [1d\]: n17
profan [-\]: black has threats
Gouda [?\]: white has to discover outer space with his shuttle
XiaoDragon [1k\]: possibly the worst time ever to tenuki...
pokeball [1d\]: what is with you people's imagination
keepcalm [6k\]: k8?
hiiipoy7: exciting game
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;W[jl]C[profan [-\]: black can play h2 and connect
]
;B[ik]
;W[jn]C[profan [-\]: now is a bit risky for black :)
suerte [2k\]: ok, that's a line of play I had not envisioned :)
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;B[jk]C[atworld [2k\]: and corner?
]
;W[kl]C[Kajiura [7k\]: L6?
snowman [-\]: in handicap games the corner would die :)
Blair [5k\]: it starts to be scary for black....
Hiridur [2d\]: camera is back \\o/
nepal999 [1d?\]: yes please l6
]
;B[kk]
;W[ll]C[gogonuts [5d?\]: atomic ko with b L4?
pokeball [1d\]: what is up with you people's imagination
nepal999 [1d?\]: maybe w just cnnects j4 and leaves black with a question?
suerte [2k\]: as long as black doesn't play n17 he'll be fine ;)
Gouda [?\]: black d2 and c3 makes 2 eyes for the c6 group i think
pokeball [1d\]: omg
gogonuts [5d?\]: then h2 would connect
Kajiura [7k\]: It's black or white who is dead in the right side ?
nepal999 [1d?\]: oh, then h2 connecrts
pokeball [1d\]: n17 is like the most urgent lol
nepal999 [1d?\]: saw that late
Blair [5k\]: what about C3 ?
keepcalm [6k\]: so many tournaments at the same time!
pokeball [1d\]: c3 good move
nepal999 [1d?\]: but not as urgent as n17 ;)
pokeball [1d\]: i agree
Blair [5k\]: lol
Blair [5k\]: I like N17, but perhaps tengen is beter
pokeball [1d\]: it's the only move that can fully utilize b's resources
Kajiura [7k\]: L5
hiiipoy7: f10?
profan [-\]: e9 at least was black aim :)
hiiipoy7: but h10 aji annoying atm
Blair [5k\]: L5 most stupid move to me... gote move
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;B[kp]C[suerte [2k\]: ok, L4 as planned
keepcalm [6k\]: e9 looks connected, is it not?
pokeball [1d\]: high dans players do not know when to move on
]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]
;W[mj]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: it's more or less connected
keepcalm [6k\]: thx
profan [-\]: accurate :)
suerte [2k\]: there's nothing at e9 though 
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;B[li]C[atworld [2k\]: b can win the ko, so connected 
pokeball [1d\]: now b is losing, b didn't utilize his influence well earlier
caprice [1d\]: SE says otherwise lol
Blair [5k\]: can bluetable join this conversation, it would be nice ?
hiiipoy7: blutable doesnt like D games
pokeball [1d\]: p8 p10
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;W[pk]C[blurb1: b is toast me thinks
pokeball [1d\]: ^
Kajiura [7k\]: o9
Roflcopter [-\]: i am back
Roflcopter [-\]: who is winning?
pokeball [1d\]: welcome back
Roflcopter [-\]: ty
Kajiura [7k\]: or n11
pokeball [1d\]: n17 has lost its value
Roflcopter [-\]: hi pokeball
pokeball [1d\]: hi
caprice [1d\]: hard to say w is weak in a lot of places but b is under attack w has more solid points but b has more potential
Gardan [?\]: It seems to me that b uses his tickness quite a lot
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;B[pi]C[suerte [2k\]: a very interesting game at least
hiiipoy7: antti seems to consistently choose the most aggressive move
gogonuts [5d?\]: antti is chosing the most aggressive defense whenever b wants to spook him
gogonuts [5d?\]: w i mean
Roflcopter [-\]: gogonuts
Roflcopter [-\]: hi
Roflcopter [-\]: k2?
WiseWolf [?\]: I'm not so sure where this is headed
hiiipoy7: ko seems too heavy for w
Roflcopter [-\]: what do you mean
]
;W[pj]C[hiiipoy7: ught q10 looks vulgar
Roflcopter [-\]: lol
Legendre [-\]: maybe white can cut soon
]
;B[oi]C[WiseWolf [?\]: w seems to be ontop here
rats [2d?\]: cut means the bottom right becomes ko
ogolony [-\]: p7 
rats [2d?\]: i think white should play safe and play m6 soon
Hiridur [2d\]: why would bottom right be a ko at any point?
rats [2d?\]: oh, m6 not very good for eyes
hiiipoy7: j4 is the playng safe move
hiiipoy7: but it almost feels like giving up
rats [2d?\]: j4, yes
Wang1 [1k\]: Antti win.
rats [2d?\]: well, black not really much points so far
rats [2d?\]: he has to catch up to what white already has still
atworld [2k\]: if w lose bottom ko, center w is in danger
hiiipoy7: after n17 b points would be ok i think
Gardan [?\]: what was that discussion?
]
(;W[rj])
(;W[rk]C[keepcalm [6k\]: ?
rats [2d?\]: ah, it's the p7 cut that is worrysome
hiiipoy7: p8 o9 n11 ?
Gardan [?\]: livesteam there was something players discussed
miao [6d\]: is q7 sente?
Architect [2k\]: 563,,
hiiipoy7: q7 is on the board?
Roflcopter [-\]: hai
miao [6d\]: s7
Roflcopter [-\]: wow miao is here
miao [6d\]: sorry
nepal999 [1d?\]: r7!
nepal999 [1d?\]: :)
Blair [5k\]: s7 also on the board
hiiipoy7: r7 hehe
Roflcopter [-\]: hehhehe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Gardan: they were discussing whether not you can pause the clock for a toilet break with the amount of time and time system used :)
miao [6d\]: r7
miao [6d\]: ...
Roflcopter [-\]: r7 ofc
Gardan [?\]: thx
miao [6d\]: idk
BoSunHac [4d\]: i guess not really sente
nhquang [1d\]: any link plz?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the answer was yes you can.
Roflcopter [-\]: google.com : type eurogo
hiiipoy7: i think it should be sente
Roflcopter [-\]: enjoy
miao [6d\]: hm
miao [6d\]: ko
miao [6d\]: maybe
hiiipoy7: w whole bottom dead if its a ko
miao [6d\]: 2 kos
Hiridur [2d\]: how much time they have left?
nhquang [1d\]: too lazy for that :)
keepcalm [6k\]: is su yang chinese or korean?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Stram at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&aktie=verander
nhquang [1d\]: ty
Hiridur [2d\]: chinese
Roflcopter [-\]: LOL
miao [6d\]: chinese
keepcalm [6k\]: thx
atworld [2k\]: b want to use r7 as a threat, i think
Roflcopter [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 have fun
rats [2d?\]: taking a long time for the next move here
xDragon [?\]: b isnt at the table evne
hiiipoy7: hmm r7 o7 would lead to double ko w dies if i read correctly...
hiiipoy7: r7 p7*
rats [2d?\]: gone for a smoke o
Roflcopter [-\]: su yang smoking?
Roflcopter [-\]: 0o 
gogonuts [5d?\]: doping
kmlck [2k\]: r7-t4?
htshh: neither of them smokes
xDragon [?\]: antti was gone for a bit
htshh: but Su Yang has a rather alarming coca-cola habit
Kajiura [7k\]: Eurogotv2 is offline
gogonuts [5d?\]: lol, hts
htshh: he drinks a 1.5l bottle of cola per game
Kajiura [7k\]: Eurogotv3 too
nepal999 [1d?\]: what kind of coke
hiiipoy7: r7 p7 t6 p5 o6 o5 n5 t2 t1 r1 q5 p5 o5 t2 right?
Gardan [?\]: I would worry if that would be two bottles
nepal999 [1d?\]: it better not be light
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ther's only stram for the first board
pacman3 [3k\]: white looses that right ?
Roflcopter [-\]: that's why he is so good
Roflcopter [-\]: lots of coca, asian secret
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: *+e+e
Kajiura [7k\]: okay
Roflcopter [-\]: cola
Roflcopter [-\]: :D
xDragon [?\]: what would happen if he had to drink pepsi
Roflcopter [-\]: he would be chinese
]
;B[qm]C[Roflcopter [-\]: nvm
]
;W[sp]C[Roflcopter [-\]: he would be japanese
Roflcopter [-\]: cus he is already chinese
hiiipoy7: heh, there goes that discussion then...
pacman3 [3k\]: can someone send the link to tv please
Roflcopter [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
pacman3 [3k\]: thx
Roflcopter [-\]: :yw
gogonuts [5d?\]: simple p8
Poney [1d\]: B will looks quite inefficient after this sequence
gogonuts [5d?\]: where?
Poney [1d\]: o4 g4  group
ad2dd: b may kill w
Poney [1d\]: Hardly
nepal999 [1d?\]: w may kill b
htshh: if both manage to settle their groups, white seems very much ahead
nhquang [1d\]: the may kill the other and commit suicide
hiiipoy7: o9 ftlols
nhquang [1d\]: they*
rfc [1k?\]: P8 is better than O7?
capnattack [6k\]: the stone in su yang's agehama isn't very effecient, gogonuts
]
;B[ri]
;W[rj]
;B[ol]C[gogonuts [5d?\]: i would take b
]
;W[nk]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: so is b going to resolve j3 area now...
nepal999 [1d?\]: n11 looks very yummy first though
rats [2d?\]: su yang always has some 2 point group in his opponents area
Wang1 [1k\]: n
profan [-\]: n11 then ko?
capnattack [6k\]: cuz his opponents always wants to surround a living 2 point group
pacman3 [3k\]: ko ?
rats [2d?\]: whites bottom left corner don't look that nice
htshh: bL2?
]
;B[km]C[rats [2d?\]: though, i guess it has enough outside liberties to withstand an attack
SirEttin [1d\]: dead
suerte [2k\]: whoops
gogonuts [5d?\]: i would take J4 as b, because i couldnt make up my mind at the top :-)
htshh: HUH?
hiiipoy7: woooow
suerte [2k\]: L7 is bold :)
gogonuts [5d?\]: good gracious
nepal999 [1d?\]: and if w answers j4 with h5 then connected in sente
Kajiura [7k\]: L7 bad move ?
SirEttin [1d\]: yes
a2g [5k\]: l6 better?
bobstep [2d?\]: m6?
Hiridur [2d\]: typical bad move that any 6d would play
]
;W[nm]C[Poney [1d\]: L7 is the move if you want to threaten to remove w's last eye, enough with the "bad move"
a2g [5k\]: yes typical istake
rats [2d?\]: o7 was what i was thinking
htshh: L7 a typical bad 6d move that all 5k and worse players catch
Xgirlfrend: brain fries trying to parse that sentence
Mokki [-\]: N8 counter!
SirEttin [1d\]: cut
nepal999 [1d?\]: why l7 and not l6?
Poney [1d\]: lol mokki ;)
hiiipoy7: l6 gote
rats [2d?\]: l6 don't threaten to cut :p
Poney [1d\]: l6 doesn't do anything lol
Poney [1d\]: That is why ;)
]
;B[om]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: both prevent 2 eyes
atworld [2k\]: l6 reduce eye?
a2g [5k\]: sure?
hiiipoy7: but one is sente, one is gote
nepal999 [1d?\]: l6 has less chance of being captured
htshh: white either gets a second eye to N9, or gets out
a2g [5k\]: l7 now captured
Kajiura [7k\]: o8 p10 p9  ?
Badduck [5d?\]: o6 or so?
Blair [5k\]: nobody for N17 now ?
Poney [1d\]: W's not alive yet
htshh: no time for N17
atworld [2k\]: capturing L7 seems ko
rats [2d?\]: o6 is cool
SirEttin [1d\]: broadcaster: please describe the facial expressions of players
nepal999 [1d?\]: hahaha!
Xgirlfrend: someone give w a needle and thread so he can sew up that armpit...
htshh: white is dead calm, and black is dead calm
Poney [1d\]: O6 can't be won by white it seems, b ignores and  there is a huge ko as w can't connect
Hiridur [2d\]: here you go: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
pacman3 [3k\]: black smiled helplesslily after O7
Poney [1d\]: IF w O6, b K7
SirEttin [1d\]: b is INVISIBLE??
pacman3 [3k\]: now he left the board
ad2dd: w dead
pacman3 [3k\]: lol w alive
Gazpacho [1d\]: l17 alive
ad2dd: only one eye
htshh: I think white has only half eyes
SirEttin [1d\]: looks like the video is captured with a crappy cellphone
pacman3 [3k\]: w l6
foeZ [-\]: :ooo this'll be a good mathc
Zahlman [1k\]: w eventually h2, fight ko, massive semeai... lol
foeZ [-\]: i forgot who antti is, i know he's really well known
Zahlman [1k\]: or p5 is a step ko I guess
pacman3 [3k\]: w J4 
hiiipoy7: i bet on w to eventually make a simple reading mistake and b to win by resign
]
;W[jm]C[pacman3 [3k\]: now some coke
rats [2d?\]: simple reading mistake unlikely
Zahlman [1k\]: anyway w got resources
]
;B[ip]C[hiiipoy7: maybe w can play j4 and try to kill all of b
htshh: they are both each others bitter rivals!
SirEttin [1d\]: ko!
hiiipoy7: hmm seems b agrees
htshh: no easy mistakes in this game
foeZ [-\]: it's unlikely that su yang will make a "simple" reading mistake
foeZ [-\]: he's very good at reading
Zahlman [1k\]: mistakes are always easy
pacman3 [3k\]: k5 white lives
gogonuts [5d?\]: w low on threats
keepcalm [6k\]: R11?
Badduck [5d?\]: hm w can connect?
nepal999 [1d?\]: k5 surely
hiiipoy7: wanna put some cookies where your mouth is foeZ？ :p
Kajiura [7k\]: Eurogotv escape
]
;W[jo]C[sam021527 [7k\]: END?
]
;B[nl]C[Zahlman [1k\]: mm cookies
]
;W[mi]
;B[mh]
;W[nh]C[rats [2d?\]: oh..
Zahlman [1k\]: w ok now
Mokki [-\]: so a trade? :P
Zahlman [1k\]: kikashi and then m6
SirEttin [1d\]: .timeleft
rats [2d?\]: if black cuts?
hiiipoy7: this is not kikashi
DBraymer [17k\]: W is ahead?
Mokki [-\]: O11 for b enables P9 cut
hiiipoy7: cos it hurts right side
nepal999 [1d?\]: cut first, then think
Zahlman [1k\]: sirettin, this is not igs....
]
;B[mg]C[gogonuts [5d?\]: i dont think cutting works well for b
]
;W[ni]
;B[oj]
;W[ok]C[rats [2d?\]: it's a bit sad for b..
randomID [4d?\]: i didn't see any problems with the cut
Kajiura [7k\]: n8
gogonuts [5d?\]: why was b unhappy with n11 instead of o8?
pacman3 [3k\]: w L10 ?
htshh: white isn't getting through this way either
Kajiura [7k\]: no i think it's bad for white
htshh: and must come back to live
Zahlman [1k\]: ooh n8 painful
rats [2d?\]: white nothing to worry about, can m6 at anytime
snowman [-\]: white N6 would live
Legendre [-\]: now white is getting short on eyes again 
hiiipoy7: not so simple rats, n8 is b sente
Zahlman [1k\]: n8 takes m6 away...
htshh: I see it the other way - white is painful because he must come back to m6to live
nepal999 [1d?\]: was w going to get more than perhaps g9 g10 stones if b had cut at o11?
]
;B[nf]C[rats [2d?\]: oh, that is bad, didn't see it
Kajiura [7k\]: black want the north ?
foeZ [-\]: live locally, or forever hold your peace
hiiipoy7: black want the board
Zahlman [1k\]: m6 n8 n9 m7 n7 n6 etc. x.x
atworld [2k\]: w may sacrifice right to live?
]
;W[of]C[rats [2d?\]: then yes, i agree, white really in trouble here
Pugovka [5d\]: n6
Zahlman [1k\]: w has too strong principles to give up the right to live
Pugovka [5d\]: and white alive
Pugovka [5d\]: whole
miao [6d\]: o16
jyka [2k\]: m6 safe no ? 
rats [2d?\]: are you sure n6 lives?
snowman [-\]: yes
Zahlman [1k\]: jyka, like I said....
rats [2d?\]: i thought n6, n8, n9, m7 ends the same way
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah
Zahlman [1k\]: of course w can give the tail
jyka [2k\]: w want more maybe
capnattack [6k\]: m7 empty triangle?
capnattack [6k\]: as in, n6
rats [2d?\]: oh, i see it doesn't work for b
hiiipoy7: n6 looks good
Zahlman [1k\]: hm?
Poney [1d\]: W still has S12 aji here
keepcalm [6k\]: even if w lives, b seems to win the game
rats [2d?\]: n6 anyway is a better try
snowman [-\]: N6 relies on the tesuji M5
rats [2d?\]: if white lives i think white more likely to win the game
Blair [5k\]: N17 somehow ?
hiiipoy7: right snow
suerte [2k\]: lol @ Blair :)
DBraymer [17k\]: W does appear to be ahead imo
krplspirit: who are suy yang antti kgs ranks pls?
hiiipoy7: antti is ten
capnattack [6k\]: antti is tien
suerte [2k\]: 8d both I guess
rats [2d?\]: su yang 8d kgs
htshh: 9d and 9d?
hiiipoy7: tien
foeZ [-\]: b has to consider his stones at q11 before connecting
pupukani [2d\]: 8d and -
hiiipoy7: suyang used to be jeffchang
krplspirit: ok both are strong
krplspirit: i will watch this game
foeZ [-\]: su yang could get 9d kgs if he tried his best
foeZ [-\]: so could ten
Muttley [3k\]: suyang, ahhhh, insei former
capnattack [6k\]: although there is another antti tormanen who is 10k
Zahlman [1k\]: it's a common name?
miao [6d\]: both players solid kgs 8d i think
htshh: Antti is, Törmänen isn't
foeZ [-\]: there's an antti tormanen who's an ice hockey pro :p
]
;B[qh]
;W[mn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: whoa, fun shape
snowman [-\]: ah, he noticed :)
hiiipoy7: he knew all along
xDragon [?\]: my grandmother is named antti tormanen. what are the odds
hiiipoy7: he is the jeffmeister
foeZ [-\]: su yang is like "IM ALIVE!" your turn
Minjhou [8k\]: r12... I want to be into Anti's head now
Muttley [3k\]: He looks a lot older than I remember
capnattack [6k\]: 1 in 4,234,942,341, dragon
bert [4d?\]: n8 n9 m6 ?
miao [6d\]: p8
]
;B[mc]C[hiiipoy7: n8 n9 m6 m5 
nepal999 [1d?\]: couple more moves and n17 may finally be good :)
Blair [5k\]: <YEAH !!!!!!!!!!
Poney [1d\]: Alive
nhquang [1d\]: L2
nhquang [1d\]: KOOOO
miao [6d\]: ah
Blair [5k\]: move of the game
Javaness [2d\]: calm down
foeZ [-\]: su yang is pissed xD
pacman3 [3k\]: p 15
hiiipoy7: on coke?
Minjhou [8k\]: Su is angry
SirEttin [1d\]: w passed?
Poney [1d\]: n8 m6 m5 
htshh: antti's smiling
foeZ [-\]: cos he's been under attack for all the time
rfc [1k?\]: is the black dragon actually alive?
Zahlman [1k\]: l2 k2, no ko
SirEttin [1d\]: why is w shaking his head
Poney [1d\]: White is alive
foeZ [-\]: su yang is at the brink of resignation it looks like on stream
htshh: coke getting to his head
Muttley [3k\]: to get the water out of his ears
htshh: must shake it off
SirEttin [1d\]: oo
]
;W[oe]C[foeZ [-\]: su yang is like "im under attack AGAIN?"
Zahlman [1k\]: rfc you have a good point
DBraymer [17k\]: B definitely has a lot of influence in the top center
hiiipoy7: j3 h2 l2 m2 m1 k2 b quite weak
SirEttin [1d\]: o16
capnattack [6k\]: he's disappointed in the kibitz
snowman [-\]: why an earth would he be disappointed...
Zahlman [1k\]: lol
hiiipoy7: oh actually w h2 is best way to start the attack
Wang1 [1k\]: who's ahead?
Hiridur [2d\]: b
SirEttin [1d\]: or w
hiiipoy7: except b can get an eye at o7 any time anyway
DBraymer [17k\]: Hard to tell
]
;B[ic]C[Poney [1d\]: p14 will probably be useful now
Poney [1d\]: Does w have a choice except N18 ?
rats [2d?\]: w seems fine to me
capnattack [6k\]: depends on which direction you're looking from, Wang1
nepal999 [1d?\]: gote eye
Zahlman [1k\]: m16?
rats [2d?\]: white should go for the corner here
foeZ [-\]: b is ahead in position, w is ahead on points, but only slightly
foeZ [-\]: so b is ahead
]
;W[id]C[hiiipoy7: w less than 50pts
]
;B[jc]C[hiiipoy7: b about 40 not including centre
Wang1 [1k\]: w looks too thin.
randomID [4d?\]: I hardly count 35 for w
hiiipoy7: i included komi
keepcalm [6k\]: n16?
foeZ [-\]: w has 50 solid points including komi
miao [6d\]: 40 sth
nepal999 [1d?\]: same for me, but to be fair to hiipoy, 35 is less than 50 :)
rats [2d?\]: yes, white has about 35 + komi
gnarf [1d\]: i have around 35 for w too
Zahlman [1k\]: we are counting 15 komi now?
]
;W[jd]C[foeZ [-\]: b has 48 pts and a better position
]
;B[kb]C[Muttley [3k\]: I have w making 45
bert [4d?\]: you must count komi double
Muttley [3k\]: didn't include komi
hiiipoy7: LR 17, LL 16, L 5, dragon 3 + komi  = less than 50 :)
htshh: is this the more desirable direction to make territory for black?
Muttley [3k\]: you have to give C10 some points :)
]
;W[kd]C[Poney [1d\]: p14 is awful, b got speared
]
;B[lc]C[miao [6d\]: i hsve 26 solid for b
miao [6d\]: *have
Badduck [5d?\]: se w +1
rats [2d?\]: w has a new weak group though
SirEttin [1d\]: i think se can give the most accurate estimation
foeZ [-\]: the points around k10 are solid for b
]
;W[jb]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: 15 bottom right, 15 bottom left, 7 middle left, 3 with the dragon, around 40
]
;B[ib]C[hiiipoy7: LR is 17 :p
atworld [2k\]: w try to connect p13 in sente
hiiipoy7: infact 18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both player have 5 minutes of time left
Muttley [3k\]: K16 are heading for boot hill anyways
]
;W[lb]C[foeZ [-\]: is this 5 minutes main time? how much is byo yomi?
]
;B[ja]C[gooooo [-\]: fischer
Zahlman [1k\]: what is boot hill?
krplspirit: very exiting
pacman3 [3k\]: can w cut at m 12
]
;W[md]C[DBraymer [17k\]: I think so, pacman
poipoi [-\]: exiting or exciting?
]
;B[ld]
;W[le]
;B[nd]C[Kajiura [7k\]: lol
Poney [1d\]: W has only one weak group so it's fine :)
hiiipoy7: looks like gg :0
rats [2d?\]: erm, massive corner coming?
Muttley [3k\]: oh noes
gisel [4d\]: w have a bit of a problem
bensenseii [-\]: Just let that stone go ?
Muttley [3k\]: b went for the corner stones
Kajiura [7k\]: good for white
foeZ [-\]: w wants to cut m12 really badly
Kajiura [7k\]: or not ?
gnarf [1d\]: or not...
miao [6d\]: not i think
rats [2d?\]: well, if black does cut, white connect in sente then maybe strong enough to play m12
Zahlman [1k\]: n15 so shape-valuable...
nepal999 [1d?\]: pride will n15
miao [6d\]: at least w has a problem not
miao [6d\]: now
]
;W[me]C[snowman [-\]: this shinogi doesn't convince me
]
;B[ne]
;W[nc]
;B[mb]
;W[od]C[Zahlman [1k\]: expected sequence
rats [2d?\]: now white has a problem
]
;B[kh]C[bensenseii [-\]: Haha
foeZ [-\]: see? the cut point was key
hiiipoy7: b calls miai
Wang1 [1k\]: w in deep trouble.
]
;W[qf]C[DBraymer [17k\]: too late for W
SirEttin [1d\]: killlll
hiiipoy7: a14
hiiipoy7: s14
bensenseii [-\]: Pretty nice move
bobstep [2d?\]: w not in trouble
foeZ [-\]: w only has 1 weak group still
Zahlman [1k\]: l15 problematic?
foeZ [-\]: b has 2 weak groups
hiiipoy7: d13 now? :p
SirEttin [1d\]: maybe b can sacrifice this group
hiiipoy7: d13 would be the funniest move
bensenseii [-\]: Sacrifice, really ?
]
;B[rf]C[foeZ [-\]: if b sacrifises his group, w will be ahead and probably lose
Zahlman [1k\]: what is d13 for
bensenseii [-\]: That's way too risky
foeZ [-\]: win*
Wang1 [1k\]: beautiful move
bensenseii [-\]: w is looking for a way to connect in sente
krplspirit: isn't black's g3 group in trouble if white plays L2?
Kajiura [7k\]: o13 first ?
bensenseii [-\]: (if somebody didn't understand)
]
;W[re]
;B[qe]C[capnattack [6k\]: o13 is probably bad
capnattack [6k\]: since you can't back out of it
]
;W[rg]
;B[pf]
;W[qg]
;B[pg]C[Kajiura [7k\]: ok
]
;W[rd]C[hiiipoy7: b gonna win the game with t13 in 7 moves
foeZ [-\]: i think b is in more trouble than w right now
]
;B[rc]C[bensenseii [-\]: Are you sure foeZ ?
foeZ [-\]: absolutely not
SirEttin [1d\]: there's lot's of aji
Muttley [3k\]: both sides should have read this all out
foeZ [-\]: that's why i said, i think and not i'm sure xD
hiiipoy7: not so sure muttley :)
bensenseii [-\]: I'd not be feeling that well as w here
SirEttin [1d\]: are the players in byo-yomi?
Gaara8k: B aim P16 group
DBraymer [17k\]: Very chaotic game, but I think B is definitely in a better position
Muttley [3k\]: close, sitettin
hiiipoy7: there are lots of this is the only way to continue moves here
rats [2d?\]: this corner looks quite dangerous
hiiipoy7: rather than i have read this moves
bensenseii [-\]: b doesn't have a weak group anymore it seems
gisel [4d\]: seems like killing r14 or p14 is miai
DBraymer [17k\]: If W can't secure corner just resign?
bensenseii [-\]: Exactly
bensenseii [-\]: I think w is done for
]
;W[qc]C[krplspirit: corner changes owners
nepal999 [1d?\]: it looks like w p17 group dies but w gets sente to help l16 group and gets a little compensation with this new group he's making 
atworld [2k\]: w cannot save both
hiiipoy7: well if p13 s w sente soon didnt he kinda get what he wanted, for some loss in sack...
foeZ [-\]: i wonder if pro's or strong amateurs sometimes play moves that they know doesn't work but play anyway just to see if their opponent makes a mistake
Wang1 [1k\]: magic?
miao [6d\]: o19 tesuji
hiiipoy7: yes foeZ :)
bensenseii [-\]: is it, miao ?
hiiipoy7: definitely do
htshh: foeZ: no, but they do play moves that they don't know whether they work
capnattack [6k\]: when they're losing
SYT [15k\]: coca cola addiction
]
;B[sd]C[krplspirit: R18 seems to finish white off
]
;W[sf]
;B[pc]
;W[qb]C[krplspirit: ah?
]
;B[pb]
;W[rb]C[bensenseii [-\]: doesn't seem like o19 is working to me
]
;B[og]C[Kajiura [7k\]: speed *_*
rats [2d?\]: lol
]
;W[ng]C[hiiipoy7: some of them often say so in reviews of the blitz games
]
;B[mf]
;W[nb]C[rats [2d?\]: erm..
]
(;B[ma])
(;B[la]
;W[oa]C[foeZ [-\]: this is good for w isn't it?
bensenseii [-\]: er
rats [2d?\]: wow
SirEttin [1d\]: ko
bensenseii [-\]: Shouldn't b n19 ?
DBraymer [17k\]: oh snap
Kajiura [7k\]: black dead ?
Wang1 [1k\]: wow
pacman3 [3k\]: not bad
rats [2d?\]: t18 is ko, no?
atworld [2k\]: ko?
Elysium [1d\]: ko
gisel [4d\]: hmm, simply s18 instead of q17 didnt work?
hiiipoy7: well, b has n8 threat?
foeZ [-\]: w just has really good reading
gooooo [-\]: yeah, wouldn't n19 work instead of m19?
Lukan [6d\]: ko for everything
Uberdude [4d?\]: GO JEFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
hiiipoy7: or maybe its not even a threat
Klor [1k\]: he really pulled this one out of the hat
nepal999 [1d?\]: this is terrible for b
byrain [3d\]: t18
sagesse [-\]: q19 q16 t18 
byrain [3d\]: t18 t15 r19
foeZ [-\]: this is a good ko for white too, because b needs 2 more moves
capnattack [6k\]: why t18 ko not o19 ko?
rats [2d?\]: q16, q19, t18
pacman3 [3k\]: what shall b do ? o 19?
hiiipoy7: t18 q16 
sagesse [-\]: o19 is risky
Blair [5k\]: if b T18, and w T15.... no ko ?
Elysium [1d\]: foe only one move ko
foeZ [-\]: if w can take first b has a lot of aji in the middle
byrain [3d\]: ya but b gets to play r19
Pinguschaf [?\]: so black has 2 local threats, right?
foeZ [-\]: A LOT
rats [2d?\]: if b t18 and white t15, then black can capture p16 stones with a squeeze
MBQ [1k\]:  p19 or q16 to make ko, but black needs first threat
hiiipoy7: but t18 q16 byrain
pacman3 [3k\]: t 18 is no ko
capnattack [6k\]: what if w q19 after t18
byrain [3d\]: then it's a ko, hiipoy
bensenseii [-\]: n19 was still a better move than m19 imo
Thumb [3d\]: what are those threats jun ?
byrain [3d\]: t18 q16 s19
hiiipoy7: sure, its ko anyway
MBQ [1k\]: t18 also makes ko
gringolem [1d\]: n 19
byrain [3d\]: this ko is clearly better than o19 ko for b
Pinguschaf [?\]: well u dont need to play those ataris
Zahlman [1k\]: q16 first
hiiipoy7: yeah sure
SirEttin [1d\]: tenuki
hiiipoy7: but you wont get t18 t15 
byrain [3d\]: right
]
;B[pd]
;W[pa]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: n19 then o19 is sente and w connect underneath
Zahlman [1k\]: see I'm right
foeZ [-\]: ko it is
rats [2d?\]: my sequence, right?
]
;B[ob]
;W[na]C[rats [2d?\]: oh, no need this atari
]
;B[qa]
;W[ra]C[Zahlman [1k\]: ...
bensenseii [-\]: t18
Pinguschaf [?\]: ah just one
Zahlman [1k\]: why play these before the ko instead of as ko threats?
rats [2d?\]: wasted a ko threat
]
;B[ma]
;W[qa]C[bensenseii [-\]: o.O
]
;B[sb]
;W[sc]C[Thumb [3d\]: anti !!!
Javaness [2d\]: no he is right
rats [2d?\]: strange player..
bensenseii [-\]: n19 is definitely bad
foeZ [-\]: but w gets to take first again
hiiipoy7: didnt waste
Pinguschaf [?\]: hm?
jyka [2k\]: t6
]
;B[sn]C[Kajiura [7k\]: black is sure
]
;W[sr]C[hiiipoy7: if t18 first then w r19
rats [2d?\]: of course it's waste
]
;B[rc]
;W[kr]C[foeZ [-\]: lol antti
Pinguschaf [?\]: true
sagesse [-\]: now ignore everything
Zahlman [1k\]: oh, worked as threats for w as well?
foeZ [-\]: closed his eyes xD
bensenseii [-\]: I wouldn't ignore that though
]
;B[sa]C[SirEttin [1d\]: can he ignore
goren2 [2k\]: can't ignore
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah, got to remove double threats before starting ko
elmex [4k\]: XD
bensenseii [-\]: He did
Muttley [3k\]: he just did
htshh: :O
SYT [15k\]: nice
]
;W[em]C[bensenseii [-\]: Well
Roflcopter [-\]: i am back again :p
xDragon [?\]: they were very animated during that ko
foeZ [-\]: i think w just lost the game
bensenseii [-\]: I guess it'd be enough to kill all w
Muttley [3k\]: hehehe
hiiipoy7: d5, so ugly
jyka [2k\]: n9
rats [2d?\]: if white fails to kill this, then game over
Zahlman [1k\]: beyond the impossible
Zahlman [1k\]: epic trade
Thumb [3d\]: during yose T12 will be good :)
Muttley [3k\]: earlier score est gave the black dragon as dead and I thought "what?  Better correct that ..."
Eilinen [-\]: l3 ?
]
;B[el]C[byrain [3d\]: atari wasn't bad because they couldn't have been used as threats anyway
Muttley [3k\]: and it turns out score est was right
bensenseii [-\]: Well
byrain [3d\]: so it was forced anyway
]
;W[fm]C[bensenseii [-\]: B will be able to get an ee with n7 at least
hiiipoy7: hah yose :p
xDragon [?\]: stream down
jyka [2k\]: n8 semai ? 
]
;B[do]
;W[cp]C[hiiipoy7: m2
DBraymer [17k\]: holy shit, I missed the corner play (watching Singin in the rain)
DBraymer [17k\]: not worth
Kajiura [7k\]: yes stream down
nepal999 [1d?\]: doesnt l3 kill half the dragon and that's about the size of the ko nayway?
foeZ [-\]: oh wow, w is trying to kill f6 along with n4 
Muttley [3k\]: stream disappeared?
capnattack [6k\]: but not enough to cover for L16 stones, nepal
Zahlman [1k\]: w keeps l3 in reserve
foeZ [-\]: if su yang still wins this, i'm going to be impressed
xDragon [?\]: yeah you missed everything raymer
goren2 [2k\]: innovation won against sos in wcs finnals
nepal999 [1d?\]: aaaah, no eyes in the right half
Roflcopter [-\]: omg
]
;B[ek]C[Kajiura [7k\]: Yes 
]
;W[fj]
;B[ej]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: so l3 not needed 
]
;W[ei]C[DBraymer [17k\]: @goren :(
]
;B[fi]C[rats [2d?\]: erm..
]
;W[gi]
;B[fh]C[hiiipoy7: nice
rats [2d?\]: my eyes..
]
;W[hj]C[gooooo [-\]: what1?
SirEttin [1d\]: what
Zahlman [1k\]: omg!
htshh: :DDDD Antti!!!
hiiipoy7: antti full of flexible
xDragon [?\]: i was going to go to bed but then the game got interesting
SirEttin [1d\]: full of kill
rats [2d?\]: nuclear tesuji
Hiridur [2d\]: madness
hiiipoy7: b8 needed?
nepal999 [1d?\]: this is why i said e9 was "more or less" connected earlier
goren2 [2k\]: d7? c9?
nepal999 [1d?\]: :)
Muttley [3k\]: what happened to the stream?
snowman [-\]: madness, madness, war
jyka [2k\]: n7
sagesse [-\]: c9 ?
bensenseii [-\]: This game is pretty weird
Zahlman [1k\]: b goes for massive overkill
DBraymer [17k\]: No territory is safe
bensenseii [-\]: Well, it is safe if it is territory
]
(;B[hh]C[kokeidoo [1d?\]: What is the url for stream?
rats [2d?\]: lol
hiiipoy7: wowzer
])
(;B[ii]C[rats [2d?\]: can't fathom what is going on here
rats [2d?\]: ah, misclick?
goren2 [2k\]: e7! now
]
;W[gh]C[hiiipoy7: directly...
SirEttin [1d\]: not another dragon fight?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i was wondering if w should push at f10 earlier
Kajiura [7k\]: yes missclick : )
jyka [2k\]: n7 
jyka [2k\]: !!!
Zahlman [1k\]: goren you mean d7?
foeZ [-\]: w gets to use his "thickness" in the center xD
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the stream is down for now
goren2 [2k\]: yes
Javaness [2d\]: is anyone still alive on this board
rats [2d?\]: stream down, oh noes!
foeZ [-\]: java, b is alive top right
bensenseii [-\]: B ought to worry now
foeZ [-\]: i guarantee it!
hiiipoy7: when was it sente ube?r
Zahlman [1k\]: java some groups are alive, but none that matter
]
;B[fg]C[byrain [3d\]: stream is over no? it was 4-0
bensenseii [-\]: Just need a couple more moves before l3
]
;W[dm]
;B[cl]C[extrsolid [3d\]: d7
SYT [15k\]: who is leading now?
foeZ [-\]: very bloody game
]
;W[cm]C[bensenseii [-\]: And then, t12 can still make w's group alive
]
;B[bm]C[foeZ [-\]: kill all the things
bensenseii [-\]: I think w doesn't even need to kill all b
]
;W[bn]C[hiiipoy7: b8 b5 b9 d2 e2 b3 ?
Kajiura [7k\]: black is leading 
nepal999 [1d?\]: oh dear
]
;B[bo]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: this ends bad for b it seems
]
;W[bl]C[rats [2d?\]: oh, trade?
]
;B[an]
;W[ck]C[Zahlman [1k\]: !
]
;B[bq]C[miao [6d\]: d2
atworld [2k\]: kill corner
foeZ [-\]: THE TRADES! ITS KILLING ME
Zahlman [1k\]: omgomgomg
hiiipoy7: oh he mssed d2..
rats [2d?\]: d2 would have been good
Javaness [2d\]: hush petal
goren2 [2k\]: now you know why b c7 before was probably good...
Gardan [?\]: there is so many trades that even higher dans have problems to follow 
SYT [15k\]: what is going on there?
rats [2d?\]: though, i guess still time for it
Sakae [2d\]: so what's whites plan?
foeZ [-\]: now it's back to w trying to live locally
Sakae [2d\]: wait... white is alive in there :O
foeZ [-\]: again
SirEttin [1d\]: no plan
BoSunHac [4d\]: l3 is a plan
hiiipoy7: maybe b is alive in there :p
nepal999 [1d?\]: white's plan is kill the 50 points of territory that b had in the centre
Zahlman [1k\]: just amazing game...
hiiipoy7: w c2 i guess
nepal999 [1d?\]: yes, l3...
]
;W[bp]
;B[ap]
;W[cr]C[extrsolid [3d\]: w plan: liven in corner, kill black
foeZ [-\]: if w kills black here, i'm going to refer to him as dragonslayer for all of eternity
extrsolid [3d\]: simple
Kajiura [7k\]: white alives
foeZ [-\]: b still has ZERO eyes there
miao [6d\]: ko
SirEttin [1d\]: b doesn't really need eyes..
Muttley [3k\]: eyes don't matter when you have 30 liberties ;)
Zahlman [1k\]: ko how?
Blair [5k\]: ko ?
hiiipoy7: nice call miao :p
Blair [5k\]: seki ?
foeZ [-\]: 30 liberties don't matter if you're surrounded by living groups :p
ad2dd: b won now w win
Hiridur [2d\]: resign?
Muttley [3k\]: living groups don't matter if you're ahead on territory
Muttley [3k\]: :p
foeZ [-\]: territory does.... nvm, it matters, a lot
Muttley [3k\]: :)
capnattack [6k\]: none of that matters if you win the game
Muttley [3k\]: tough ko, though
]
;B[cq]
;W[dr]C[xDragon [?\]: thats why its always advisable to uppercut you ropponent if youre losing
ausrussell [4k\]: ii'd love to see a big kill
xDragon [?\]: thats whats truly important
hiiipoy7: d3 e4 b2 ?
DBraymer [17k\]: Can't this W group live easy?
rats [2d?\]: white still has l3 to look forward to
MBQ [1k\]: d3 ?
goren2 [2k\]: b1?
rats [2d?\]: as long as his d2 stones don't die, he is quite happy still
]
;B[br]
;W[bs]
;B[es]C[Wang1 [1k\]: looks dead.
ausrussell [4k\]: :)
hiiipoy7: w seems dead
Kajiura [7k\]: yes...
Wang1 [1k\]: wow
atworld [2k\]: w L11?
Muttley [3k\]: and the ko at J3 starts?
]
;W[kq]C[Wang1 [1k\]: Where is b from?
nepal999 [1d?\]: if b kills corner and w plays L3 then b sente around g13 then i think b wins
foeZ [-\]: reduce ALL the liberties
Goleath [2k\]: Finland
xDragon [?\]: why is everything dying
Gardan [?\]: Oulu
poipoi [-\]: outer space
rats [2d?\]: b doesn't even have an eye
Wang1 [1k\]: beautiful
hiiipoy7: h2 needed?
rats [2d?\]: he should try and capture these stones
hiiipoy7: h2 feels needed
extrsolid [3d\]: m2 and k2 gain libs?
Muttley [3k\]: the real problem is b needs 4 moves to approach from A2, I think
rats [2d?\]: if b dies here, white has the entire half of the board
]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]C[foeZ [-\]: well, either way b is dead in the lower right, but if he lives in the lower left it's still game over
SYT [15k\]: black is dead now ?
jyka [2k\]: p7 alive
goren2 [2k\]: j1?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Jeff seems quite unhappy at the moment
hiiipoy7: t12 still lurking :p
rats [2d?\]: i don't think he should be unhappy.. seems still ok for w
foeZ [-\]: how is p7 alive?
Gardan [?\]: I wonder what b can achieve from n8,n8,m6 ..
Mokki [-\]: G13 much bigger than T12
SIscurge [5d\]: lower right is not dead either, can win semeai against k5
]
;B[er]C[snowman [-\]: winning a won game is always stressful
SIscurge [5d\]: perhaps..
jyka [2k\]: n8 n9 m6 
rats [2d?\]: k5 is alive
capnattack [6k\]: you might be unhappy if you "only" beat a 20k by 10 points, rats
MBQ [1k\]: semeasi? white has 2 eyes there
Muttley [3k\]: that's why w wins the semeai
Sakae [2d\]: no if black plays first MBQ
Sakae [2d\]: not*
]
;W[dq]C[Zahlman [1k\]: a5
MBQ [1k\]: where does he play to make semeai?
goren2 [2k\]: at n8
foeZ [-\]: this isn't even a ko, just looks like white is dead
nepal999 [1d?\]: w 2 eyes there
Sakae [2d\]: n8 n9 n7 might be something
hiiipoy7: k5 two eyes scurge
Sakae [2d\]: or n8 n9 m6 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: time left white 11 black 1 minute
Sakae [2d\]: or no.. that's nothing
hiiipoy7: n8 n9 m6 m5 alive
gooooo [-\]: wow, not the time to have lack of time :)
rats [2d?\]: black will lose by time?
hiiipoy7: surely only can a3
]
;B[hr]C[foeZ [-\]: i doubt he'll lose on time
]
;W[ds]
;B[al]C[SIscurge [5d\]: yea ok :P
]
;W[bk]C[rats [2d?\]: no byo-yomi, right?
DBraymer [17k\]: So W wins?
]
;B[aq]C[rats [2d?\]: just 20 seconds added for each move, right?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: fisher
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Zahlman [1k\]: isn't a5 better than a3?
SirEttin [1d\]: bobby fisher??
Kajiura [7k\]: 0.o
hiiipoy7: k2 wasnt helpful for b ?
]
;W[jr]
;B[as]
;W[ar]C[rfc [1k?\]: fischer timing
Mokki [-\]: K1
foeZ [-\]: it's a double ko for white?
]
;B[ml]C[foeZ [-\]: 2 step* ko
]
;W[mk]
;B[as]C[SirEttin [1d\]: no threat
Zahlman [1k\]: k2 not as helpful for b as h2 I suppose
Zahlman [1k\]: h2 also advances the semeai after all
hiiipoy7: but he could have both
Blair [5k\]: E5 ?
Zahlman [1k\]: mm
hiiipoy7: just k2 before a3
snowman [-\]: J3?
Wang1 [1k\]: W right side is extremely huge.
foeZ [-\]: w keeps getting himself into life & death situations all the time
DBraymer [17k\]: W N7 kill b?
nepal999 [1d?\]: b already there 
Zahlman [1k\]: can't b just a5?
]
;W[ep]C[rats [2d?\]: erm
Queengu [2d\]: black is already dead there DBraymer
rats [2d?\]: capture
hiiipoy7: will still be ko after b a5
]
;B[cs]C[DBraymer [17k\]: No, A5 doesn't help the group
Muttley [3k\]: take the ko :)
]
;W[en]C[DBraymer [17k\]: @Queengu ah
]
;B[eo]
;W[bs]C[hiiipoy7: but b needs to win the ko at some point
]
;B[fo]C[foeZ [-\]: dear god this game
Kajiura [7k\]: eat
rats [2d?\]: round and round the merri-go-round
foeZ [-\]: b won it
goren2 [2k\]: g10 will be next threat
]
;W[fs]
;B[cs]C[foeZ [-\]: that's for sure 
nepal999 [1d?\]: one eye against a zillion false eyes
foeZ [-\]: 1 eye and no liberties
rats [2d?\]: still possible for black to approach at h1 though
rats [2d?\]: so still possible for black to win this
DBraymer [17k\]: Was capturing at C1proper timing?
Zahlman [1k\]: so komplex
Muttley [3k\]: that doesn't matter now, liberties and ko threats matter now
kokeidoo [1d?\]: J1
ogolony [-\]: j3 
Kajiura [7k\]: yes ^^
rats [2d?\]: and if he fills at b1, should at least be seki
BoSunHac [4d\]: j1 bad
hiiipoy7: can b accept seki?
Zahlman [1k\]: seki with what shared lib?
hiiipoy7: i think he needs to kill
nepal999 [1d?\]: in parliament they say the eyes have it
Blair [5k\]: S12 ?
foeZ [-\]: u don't see the seki
McCallaway [2d\]: h1 double ko?
hiiipoy7: g1 shared lib
foeZ [-\]: i*
rats [2d?\]: seki with h1 shared lib maybe ;)
DBraymer [17k\]: Fill at B1 B6 makes B live?
BoSunHac [4d\]: h1 also bad
Zahlman [1k\]: b way ahead on libs if he gets the eye, can't seki
rats [2d?\]: or g1 shared lib maybe
BoSunHac [4d\]: think of l1 for b ih h1/j1
foeZ [-\]: i wonder if antti's bowl is big enough to hold all of w's stones
MBQ [1k\]: can't have seki with 1 shared lib
hiiipoy7: of course you can
Muttley [3k\]: you can if both have eyes
Zahlman [1k\]: with an eye each, sure you can
MBQ [1k\]: at least doesnt seem possible here
hiiipoy7: if there are eyes
Zahlman [1k\]: but this time, b too many libs
hiiipoy7: its clearly possible
hiiipoy7: but i dont think it will happen
goren2 [2k\]: say, does a9 make sense here for w?
nepal999 [1d?\]: if the sente is gote for b then i think w wins
MBQ [1k\]: a9 b1
Catlemur [4k\]: Is there a way to save a game without CGoban?
Zahlman [1k\]: a9 doesn't help
Muttley [3k\]: sure
Sakae [2d\]: does white need to kill this lower part?
Zahlman [1k\]: b also has g10 as a threat
DBraymer [17k\]: So B lives in the corner now
Muttley [3k\]: save it in sgf format
foeZ [-\]: write down the kifu catlemur
Muttley [3k\]: open it with whatever you want
Wang1 [1k\]: What a....
goren2 [2k\]: a9 b1 a7
Zickkun [3k\]: how do you write a kifu?
devasatyam [4k\]: take 2
Muttley [3k\]: save it with whatever you want again :)
Kajiura [7k\]: There is a go lesson on eurogotv, it's normal ?
Muttley [3k\]: kifu are just text files in a particular (sgf) format
Wang1 [1k\]: where?
gooooo [-\]: muttley, I think he means in a printable format
]
;W[gg]C[ponno [8k?\]: streaming crash kaju
Muttley [3k\]: mmm, ok :)
capnattack [6k\]: gave up? ;o
Zahlman [1k\]: ignore
foeZ [-\]: w gave up the stones i think
]
(;B[ff])
(;B[gf]C[Muttley [3k\]: you can print it out with the moves numbered also
DBraymer [17k\]: rip tree
hiiipoy7: wow b so bold
SYT [15k\]: kill kill
Catlemur [4k\]: I can not use CGoban yet I want to save games from KGS.
DBraymer [17k\]: Just tag the game
foeZ [-\]: catlemur, get a piece of paper, write it down
foeZ [-\]: it's tedious, but it works
hiiipoy7: they are in the archives
Muttley [3k\]: Cattlemur, under "options" :)
goren2 [2k\]: yeah, I think a9 could be seki
foeZ [-\]: oooh, hiiipoy7 makes a good point too
]
;W[bs]C[Muttley [3k\]: "save game"
Zahlman [1k\]: g10
DBraymer [17k\]: G10
hiiipoy7: that name is too confusing muttley :p
Catlemur [4k\]: I can not save it via "save game"
hiiipoy7: too obscure
Muttley [3k\]: heh
]
;B[ln]C[foeZ [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=eurogotv1 <---- the sgf will show up here
DBraymer [17k\]: :(
]
;W[lo]C[pacman3 [3k\]: ???
]
;B[cs]C[Catlemur [4k\]: thanks
gooooo [-\]: foez, if eurogotv1 decides to save it that is
a2g [5k\]: h1 and no ko
foeZ [-\]: he will
DBraymer [17k\]: If B fills B1 B6 doesn't he live?
devasatyam [4k\]: no
]
;W[hf]C[Muttley [3k\]: you don't need cgoban anyway to access this game
]
;B[ge]C[capnattack [6k\]: h1 looks good, why doesn't w h1?
Muttley [3k\]: just go through gokgs.com
blurb1: kgs archives automatic
]
;W[bs]C[pacman3 [3k\]: did white have to play M 5
DBraymer [17k\]: B1 and A7?
gooooo [-\]: blurb1, not demos that you chose not to save
blurb1: oh ok
]
;B[mo]C[BoSunHac [4d\]: after h1/j1 exchange b has l1 @ capnattack
pacman3 [3k\]: a2 now
foeZ [-\]: im going to the toilet, and when i come back, w will have resigned or blown my mind
Muttley [3k\]: guess b saving G10 as it looses a point
Wang1 [1k\]: Can b alive?
]
;W[mm]C[bensenseii [-\]: Sure
pacman3 [3k\]: white J 3
]
;B[cs]C[capnattack [6k\]: l1 j3?
BoSunHac [4d\]: then n1
Wang1 [1k\]: ya, j3
Zahlman [1k\]: so what if n1
capnattack [6k\]: n1 k1
Muttley [3k\]: I reckon both deserve a jigo
BoSunHac [4d\]: you have no lib to do that
]
;W[ji]C[BoSunHac [4d\]: it you exchanged h1/j1
DBraymer [17k\]: oh shi
capnattack [6k\]: ah right
capnattack [6k\]: i see
Muttley [3k\]: don't swear, DBraymer
capnattack [6k\]: thanks
BoSunHac [4d\]: your welcome
MBQ [1k\]: ignore
pacman3 [3k\]: then w corner is dead
Muttley [3k\]: not ignore
Muttley [3k\]: still have ko threats
]
;B[bs]C[Muttley [3k\]: gah
Goleath [2k\]: K11? isn't H15 mor severe?
Muttley [3k\]: the cost
hiiipoy7: woo finally time to count
]
;W[he]C[nepal999 [1d?\]: gut feeling says w ahead
hiiipoy7: maybe i'll wait 5 more move, see t12 and l10 get sorted first
ogolony [-\]: t12 
Zahlman [1k\]: what did k11 do?
capnattack [6k\]: dw, watch h1 become a huge ko later
hiiipoy7: well l10 works now
hiiipoy7: but its risk cos of h13 cut
]
;B[gd]
;W[be]C[blurb1: there is no h13 cut
foeZ [-\]: he hasn't resigned yet, im astonished
hiiipoy7: there is if l10 :)
Zickkun [3k\]: dosn't L10 wok?
rfc [1k?\]: T12
Zahlman [1k\]: l10 only points yeah?
goren2 [2k\]: t11
hiiipoy7: l10 t12 miai maybe :p
goren2 [2k\]: if you're gonna play there
DBraymer [17k\]: This game is crazy...
Queengu [2d\]: nothing crazy at all DBraymer, just go
jyka [2k\]: o6 ?
DBraymer [17k\]: heh
capnattack [6k\]: 17k games are a lot more crazy
snowman [-\]: L10 and T12 are miais :)
SYT [15k\]: is there stream?
]
;B[si]C[DBraymer [17k\]: 17k games are fun :)
spargo [6k\]: J3 for B is sente, no?
hiiipoy7: o6 all dead jyka
foeZ [-\]: does w really think he can still win?
capnattack [6k\]: for sandbaggers, maybe
Muttley [3k\]: hmm, it really is close
Minjhou [8k\]: k11 a fake thread?
goren2 [2k\]: a18?
capnattack [6k\]: not fake, minjhou
Muttley [3k\]: L11 puts white a couple ahead, I think
rats [2d?\]: t11 is sharp
]
;W[kj]
;B[ig]C[hiiipoy7: miai ftw
]
;W[jh]C[rats [2d?\]: j13 good, no?
Muttley [3k\]: oh noes
Faonig [1k\]: yeah
Muttley [3k\]: K13?
capnattack [6k\]: k13 h13
hiiipoy7: now l14 l15 gets w sente feeling
rats [2d?\]: k13 seem to not capture anything
Muttley [3k\]: oh, it doesn't does it
Muttley [3k\]: there's no miai for b
foeZ [-\]: wait a sec.... i think w is actually still ahead wit q7 being dead
Zickkun [3k\]: wow, this game is actually purty clos, 
]
;B[hg]C[Faonig [1k\]: oh
nepal999 [1d?\]: h13 works??
htshh: uhh what?
rats [2d?\]: b hopes h13 works
Zahlman [1k\]: more blood
Zahlman [1k\]: k13
capnattack [6k\]: i guess b might think he's behind
hiiipoy7: h15 die?
Sakae [2d\]: I think w+1 lib
hiiipoy7: all else live?
rats [2d?\]: i think he gets squeezed for 2 stones though
]
;W[jg]C[Zickkun [3k\]: black going gun-ho?
Muttley [3k\]: Antii must think he is behind to do this?
]
;B[jf]C[foeZ [-\]: he is behind
atworld [2k\]: k14?
foeZ [-\]: oddly enough
foeZ [-\]: my mind can't handle this
Zahlman [1k\]: lost l15 now
Zahlman [1k\]: l14
Muttley [3k\]: oh :)
Muttley [3k\]: clever
Gardan [?\]: shapes are just too much tsumego
holynec [-\]: Horinec going to sleep. Bai bai
]
;W[kf]C[jyka [2k\]: crazy game whatever
SYT [15k\]: nice
capnattack [6k\]: what's the best way to deal with top left corner for w?
hiiipoy7: h16
Backflash [-\]: not to deal with it at all
holynec [-\]: what do you mean deal with it
goren2 [2k\]: b would be b16 i think
]
;B[hd]C[hiiipoy7: h16 j15 l15 k15 j14 l15 l13 
Muttley [3k\]: heheh
capnattack [6k\]: yeah b seems instinctive
nepal999 [1d?\]: g10 going to be crazy tesuji?
]
;W[kg]C[DBraymer [17k\]: M14 for B?
]
;B[ie]C[keepcalm [6k\]: j10?
]
;W[ke]C[rats [2d?\]: b lost a lot of stones there
htshh: nice result for black!
bert [4d?\]: g10 
capnattack [6k\]: i'm thinking b17 or monkey jump... 
bensenseii [-\]: j10
bensenseii [-\]: !!
DBraymer [17k\]: Didn't B just escape?
rats [2d?\]: h11 quickly
bensenseii [-\]: :p
]
;B[hi]C[DBraymer [17k\]: If he gets J10
nhquang [1d\]: w is winning imo
ponno [8k?\]: 7 of komi?
hiiipoy7: hah awesome
jyka [2k\]: oh no
]
;W[ij]C[hiiipoy7: j10 g10 d9 h12 
]
;B[gj]C[rats [2d?\]: and h12
SIscurge [5d\]: wasn't j10 really working?
]
;W[gk]
;B[hh]C[Gardan [?\]: neat
Zahlman [1k\]: nice!
keepcalm [6k\]: wow
DBraymer [17k\]: oh shi
DBraymer [17k\]: snap
hiiipoy7: kind of small
bensenseii [-\]: scurge, I think there's a way to kill b anyway
foeZ [-\]: 3 stones are worthless
hiiipoy7: b17
Pl4typus [8k\]: great!
Faonig [1k\]: hmm
SIscurge [5d\]: no ^^
]
;W[bc]C[bensenseii [-\]: But it would have been funnier
]
;B[bd]C[foeZ [-\]: b was connected anyway
]
;W[ad]
;B[cd]C[foeZ [-\]: just a double connection
Wang1 [1k\]: w is ahead
]
;W[bb]C[TheThe [5k\]: small
SIscurge [5d\]: hehe
bensenseii [-\]: Wait, lemme check
jyka [2k\]: j10 better
]
;B[cb]C[hiiipoy7: now time to count :p
Faonig [1k\]: great ? 3 more stones and gote...
chan123 [2k\]: wow b take gote there is really bad
Muttley [3k\]: don't try this at home, kids
Faonig [1k\]: he was already connected
ThunderGod [6d\]: b16 was so big for black
htshh: yeah, b gote was bad
gnarf [1d\]: h12 really bigger than b16 for b?
]
;W[cf]C[ThunderGod [6d\]: bigger than h12
]
;B[ba]
;W[ac]C[bensenseii [-\]: Well
rats [2d?\]: gote but white playing j12 can capture the  2 black stones as well, so it was a big gote
snowman [-\]: i guess white wins
bensenseii [-\]: It really worked, it seems
bensenseii [-\]: So Antti failed !D
foeZ [-\]: this is rediculus, why is su yang so strong O_O
]
;B[dh]C[Faonig [1k\]: it was fun move, but certainly not the best
SIscurge [5d\]: nono it didn't he can play attari from behing at k10
]
;W[ch]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: lower left is still technically ko, right?
bensenseii [-\]: Let's check in a demo, dear
hiiipoy7: w win 5 points?
]
;B[iq]
;W[ks]C[miao [6d\]: double ko
ThunderGod [6d\]: how j10 worked?
miao [6d\]: ?
miao [6d\]: ah
]
;B[is]C[miao [6d\]: or long ko
rats [2d?\]: strange
Muttley [3k\]: w+9.5 or so
nepal999 [1d?\]: didnt g10 after l15 work?
Pinguschaf [?\]: why didnt b just play h1?
rats [2d?\]: yeah, strange
hiiipoy7: j1 confusing...
foeZ [-\]: very
hiiipoy7: scribe error？
Backflash [-\]: j1 yose
MBQ [1k\]: black thinks he has enough?
miao [6d\]: one more point maybe if g1
Hiridur [2d\]: needs the 1 point from h1
snowman [-\]: a dame point...
Zahlman [1k\]: simply, j1 is an extra point
foeZ [-\]: b does not have enough
nepal999 [1d?\]: i think g10 connects and kils w
hiiipoy7: i guess its a v steppy ko
keepcalm [6k\]: se b+61?
hiiipoy7: very point sensitive of b
foeZ [-\]: se sucks and thinks r8 is alive
rats [2d?\]: black would have killed this stones directly with h1 rather than connect the 2 stones just now
capnattack [6k\]: SE guessed about as many correct groups this game as we all did, foeZ
chan123 [2k\]: b alive already no?
SIscurge [5d\]: so j10 did work for b as bensensei said
mirabelka [2d\]: b will have to play h1 later, so I don't see how it makes one point
hiiipoy7: j3 was huge though
Javaness [2d\]: which one is Kasparov
hiiipoy7: this is much smaller
]
;W[dk]
;B[gj]C[Zahlman [1k\]: mira, maybe clearer if you use area scoring...
Muttley [3k\]: the angry one, Javaness
]
;W[ef]
;B[sj]C[hiiipoy7: mira, b can g1 directly
]
;W[sk]C[foeZ [-\]: now it's just endgame
]
;B[di]
(;W[ee]
;B[ed]C[Zahlman [1k\]: less than a full point in whatever game theory, I guess
]
;W[ak]C[foeZ [-\]: this can still become a ko lol
hiiipoy7: feels like it lost points to me
jwc [-\]: ko
])
(;W[oh]C[Muttley [3k\]: err, not really
hiiipoy7: cos awkward to connect this now
]
;B[ph]C[Zickkun [3k\]: ?
]
;W[ee]
;B[ed]C[foeZ [-\]: poor tree
]
;W[ak]C[JASN [5k\]: ...
snowman [-\]: J1 didn't really make sense
DBraymer [17k\]: rip in pieces
Wang1 [1k\]: B won
Javaness [2d\]: here comes the night
goren2 [2k\]: close
]
;B[eh]C[rats [2d?\]: joke, black just submit to seki
hiiipoy7: joke, funny p
Muttley [3k\]: spoiler, N6 dies in bad shape accident
MBQ [1k\]: a7 ?
Zahlman [1k\]: d14
Blair [5k\]: N6 not dead
]
;W[df]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]C[Muttley [3k\]: good call, blair :)
foeZ [-\]: n6 is very dead
suerte [2k\]: I don't understand, shouldn't black resign ? what am I missing ?
hiiipoy7: g1 now?
Zahlman [1k\]: it was my call :P
]
;B[ce]
;W[bf]C[capnattack [6k\]: look carefully, foeZ
Gardan [?\]: no hurry with g1 due w can't directly approach to k1
Blair [5k\]: if N6 dead w resign
foeZ [-\]: sorry, thought he meant black :p
a2g [5k\]: n1 
hiiipoy7: n5 is very dead :p
rats [2d?\]: oh, black can still capture the stones
Javaness [2d\]: unless black kills D1 I don't see how he wins
foeZ [-\]: but that's m6
]
;B[qj]
;W[qk]
;B[qi]C[Sakae [2d\]: it's a double ko, there's no worries
rats [2d?\]: very strange
]
;W[fe]
;B[fd]
;W[ej]C[Sakae [2d\]: there are*
]
;B[gi]
;W[am]C[hiiipoy7: antti must have counted he is short on points to not be ending that ko
]
;B[bn]C[rats [2d?\]: this is a good tournament game if i say so myself
Muttley [3k\]: A8 and it is a ko
]
;W[al]C[BoSunHac [4d\]: but w has no threats
]
;B[gs]C[rats [2d?\]: no
Muttley [3k\]: heh not even a ko ;)
rats [2d?\]: could have h1
DBraymer [17k\]: No chance for seki in regards to B group on the right center?
atworld [2k\]: e2 and n1
hiiipoy7: c19 is a threat
]
;W[hs]C[foeZ [-\]: even if w dies here, isn't he still ahead?
rats [2d?\]: h1, n1, e1, e2, g1
]
;B[er]
;W[es]
;B[gs]
;W[ca]
;B[da]C[Zahlman [1k\]: step ko
]
;W[hs]C[hiiipoy7: n1
]
;B[ms]C[Muttley [3k\]: N1
]
;W[ns]C[rats [2d?\]: g1 throw in was joke
]
;B[gs]C[Sakae [2d\]: :O
Blair [5k\]: M13
Sakae [2d\]: what has black done?
foeZ [-\]: even if w dies here, he'll win
]
;W[je]
;B[if]C[Badduck [5d?\]: t12
suerte [2k\]: i think w is still ahead yes
]
;W[hs]C[hiiipoy7: black has played as he intended to
suerte [2k\]: by 6 or so
Sakae [2d\]: ok, it's double step
]
;B[nn]
;W[lm]C[hiiipoy7: i think he is okkwith the ko
]
;B[gs]C[Muttley [3k\]: oh no, N6 lived.
Muttley [3k\]: How did I miss that.
Sakae [2d\]: actually... isn't this triple step?
]
;W[sh]
;B[rh]
;W[hs]C[hiiipoy7: a15
rats [2d?\]: muttley, so many people were already telling you about that
]
;B[lh]
;W[ms]
;B[gs]C[Muttley [3k\]: How did I miss that bit too :)
rats [2d?\]: white hardly any threats
hiiipoy7: antti count threats like a pro
DBraymer [17k\]: T15?
mstarsup5 [-\]: w no threat
SYT [15k\]: it will die any way?
keepcalm [6k\]: how did black missed connecting L3? I missed that too...
foeZ [-\]: l5 still a threat
Zickkun [3k\]: no threat for w
Zahlman [1k\]: that was much earlier, keepcalm
suerte [2k\]: but w wins anyway
lIshikawa [5k\]: holy s***t
DBraymer [17k\]: I suspect he thought there was still some potential in the right
lIshikawa [5k\]: i just came in and saw that
foeZ [-\]: look at all the stones captured lol
Muttley [3k\]: llshkawa, don't use acronyms to swear, thanks
Gardan [?\]: a19 ko is best for w now I guess
Kajiura [7k\]: no threat 
foeZ [-\]: they both have a mountain of stones in their captured bowl :p
lIshikawa [5k\]: i meant holy shirt 
foeZ [-\]: what a bloody game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: keepclam: it was a ko threat that got ignored
hiiipoy7: so i clam w+5 on move286
Sakae [2d\]: a19 is one threat.. but he needs 2
Muttley [3k\]: sure you didn't
]
;W[ae]
;B[er]C[SYT [15k\]: nice
rats [2d?\]: game finishing
]
;W[jj]
;B[aa]
;W[ab]C[pacman3 [3k\]: w wins 
]
;B[ca]C[Muttley [3k\]: et ding
pacman3 [3k\]: wow
foeZ [-\]: man, su yang is amazing
gnarf [1d\]: 50 capture for Antti!!!
Zahlman [1k\]: area scoring?
Hellhuman [2d\]: there will be no territory left
Hellhuman [2d\]: haha
Muttley [3k\]: w+11.5 I reckon
Ukulele [-\]: w+
foeZ [-\]: white captured 50 freaking stoned xD
foeZ [-\]: stones*
Faonig [1k\]: quite much for su
Catlemur [4k\]: calm game
Hellhuman [2d\]: its more than 50
DBraymer [17k\]: T15?
Hellhuman [2d\]: since right white group
rats [2d?\]: you mean b captured 50 stones
MBQ [1k\]: 345 moves :)
foeZ [-\]: jebes
Gardan [?\]: komi is 7 points
DBraymer [17k\]: or are those dead alrady
DBraymer [17k\]: already*
suerte [2k\]: w+6
Kajiura [7k\]: white + 7
Hellhuman [2d\]: its 58
hiiipoy7: fill dame still not 361 moves, what a peaceful game
rats [2d?\]: i guess these players will be quite tired after this game
Muttley [3k\]: yose is too boring.
Zickkun [3k\]: time to count wrong and resign
Hellhuman [2d\]: white will have 2 points left on board
Hellhuman [2d\]: 1 point*
Mokki [-\]: b captured 58, w captured 60 stones :P
jyka [2k\]: w+5
hiiipoy7: for once it might be quicker to count chinese style while playing :)
Wang1 [1k\]: game over?
rats [2d?\]: fill dame and it's more than 361 moves
Zahlman [1k\]: mokki got it
Kajiura [7k\]: w+7
Backflash [-\]: 6
Backflash [-\]: se is right
rats [2d?\]: oh, more than 351 moves :p
rats [2d?\]: not 361 
SIscurge [5d\]: Nice for w to win this game
TomoyaKun [3d\]: 354
foeZ [-\]: my mind is blown
hiiipoy7: not nice for b to lose:p
mstarsup5 [-\]: w+6
Hellhuman [2d\]: w+3?
Kajiura [7k\]: w+6
Zahlman [1k\]: they are counting it yet?
capnattack [6k\]: w+6, just use the score tool
SIscurge [5d\]: I think they may have alot of prisoners
Muttley [3k\]: no ding :(
Zickkun [3k\]: I have seen a beastly game today :-)
rats [2d?\]: i think su yang needs a victory coke
Lesmian [1d\]: he deserved for a water
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: whit winns by 6
nepal999 [1d?\]: i think h11 lost the game, g10 looked like it worked
rats [2d?\]: no, water is for if he loses
Zahlman [1k\]: \\o/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: *white
hiiipoy7: did antti cry?
Backflash [-\]: ro, could've asked SE hah
foeZ [-\]: i bet antti is devastated
rats [2d?\]: so, does su yang win this tournament, or is there another game?
DBraymer [17k\]: i am saving a copy of this game
Muttley [3k\]: nah, he knows Jeff of course
a2g [5k\]: +++
foeZ [-\]: DBraymer, why?
Gardan [?\]: there is one round but this pretty much seals first place
DBraymer [17k\]: To go over later?
foeZ [-\]: why?
DBraymer [17k\]: What do you mean, why
DBraymer [17k\]: Don't you go over games?
Muttley [3k\]: he;s just lucky I wasn't playing.
foeZ [-\]: there's not much you can learn from this at 17kyu, or even at 1d
Muttley [3k\]: don't be mean, foez
foeZ [-\]: this was a bloody game, and a bad example of fundamental go
DBraymer [17k\]: Not much =/= Nothing
Zickkun [3k\]: H11 smart 2 point gote?
Gardan [?\]: there is always something you might learn
foeZ [-\]: it's not mean, im just saying you shouldn't review games like this
Zickkun [3k\]: 5 points actually
bensenseii [-\]: lol
foeZ [-\]: and review games that involve a lot of fundamentals
foeZ [-\]: this one didn't
Muttley [3k\]: nothing wrong with reviewing the games of good players
bensenseii [-\]: What's fun is Antti would have won if he had saved h8 stones
bensenseii [-\]: Which he misread
bensenseii [-\]: =)
foeZ [-\]: this game was full of deep reading and lots of close combat fighting, it's too hard to review properly
Klor [1k\]: white is good at coming back from a losing situation
])))))))
