(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[2700]
GN[Takapotku Open 2013 Round 5 Board 1]PW[Su Yang]PB[Juuso Nyyssönen]WR[6d]BR[4d]DT[2013-06-09]EV[Takapotku Open 2013]PC[Helsinki]US[lupis]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pp]
;W[dc]
;B[oc]
;W[nq]
;B[qn]
;W[kp]
;B[de]C[bert [4d?\]: a bow named su
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;W[dg]C[bert [4d?\]: boy
hyomin [3d\]: heh
goBum [2k?\]: oh, what happened to ten?
rookie77 [22k\]: who is playing?
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;B[gd]
;W[dd]
;B[ee]
;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[df]
;B[bf]
;W[be]
;B[ch]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he's playing on the secon board, to be seen in EuroGoTV2's demo
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ye
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i has teh gaem
bert [4d?\]: kick the troll
bert [4d?\]: :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live stream of this game at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
bert [4d?\]: does takapotku mean anything in Finnish?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it does
bert [4d?\]: it sounds very nice
hyomin [3d\]: it's snapback in finnish
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;W[gb]C[bert [4d?\]: you are pulling my leg, i fear
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;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fg]C[zife [4d?\]: http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/Termit ctrl-f takapotku
bert [4d?\]: it is like you were saying 'automaton' means unsweetened or something
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;W[eh]C[Naab [5k\]: are you kidding me, we really use that word for snapback?! :D
zife [4d?\]: not really
zife [4d?\]: most of the time it's snäbäri
Repacse [4k?\]: is that correct shape ? I would play d12 without thinking
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: back-kick is the literal meaning
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;B[cj]C[Wang1 [1k\]: F13 is weird.
bert [4d?\]: thx zife
zife [4d?\]: bert makeuttamaton = unsweetened fyi
bert [4d?\]: and others too, yes
zife [4d?\]: close enough?
bert [4d?\]: yep, i read that on a sack of cappucino powder
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;W[fh]C[bert [4d?\]: had to quess if was finnish though
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is a fun place to hold tournamets. yesterday we had a samba parade down the block and currently there is demonstration of some sort marching past uder our windows.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: *under
foeZ [-\]: what's takapotku btw?
Gardan [?\]: big annual tournament in helsinki
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;B[gh]C[foeZ [-\]: i wonder who will FINNISH first xD
foeZ [-\]: get it?
foeZ [-\]: finnish
foeZ [-\]: i made a funny
Naab [5k\]: snibeti snab
foeZ [-\]: by the way, ive never seen an amateur 7d or higher, do they even exist?
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;W[gi]
;B[hh]C[Wang1 [1k\]: You'll see soon.
Kanin [-\]: different places, different systems
Sheriffi [-\]: in-seong is 8d
Repacse [4k?\]: f10 ?
Gardan [?\]: I think at least egf uses max 7dan .. that includes active pros too
k23 [3k\]: demonstration about what? you know? you're in asmtelveen?
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;W[cl]
;B[dl]
;W[dm]C[k23 [3k\]: *amstelveen
Javaness [2d\]: france has 8d in its system
jwc [-\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/createalleuro3.php?country=**&dgob=false
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now why would I be in amstelveen when the tournament is in helsinki..
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;B[dk]
;W[di]C[HW9x9 [1k\]: i like EuroGoTV'1's humor
k23 [3k\]: oh, sorry eurogotv, know nothing about tournament, thats why i asked
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;B[ci]
(;W[cm])
(;W[hi]
;B[ih]
;W[cm]
;B[fl]C[medical [3k\]: run run run
Wang1 [1k\]: Where's humour?
blackstorm [3k\]: white on the run
Roflcopter [-\]: on the vault
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;W[ii]C[blackstorm [3k\]: c 8 greedy
Roflcopter [-\]: overplay 
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;B[jh]C[blackstorm [3k\]: i hope b bombs him
Roflcopter [-\]: you really hate w
Roflcopter [-\]: or you hate moves like c8
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;W[fn]C[Roflcopter [-\]: then you want w gets crushed by that for punishmennnt
Roflcopter [-\]: XD
blackstorm [3k\]: i don t hate just dislike w greedy ness
foeZ [-\]: the quesiton is though, is it greedy?
snowman [-\]: i wonder if they ever hold demonstration rallies in amstelveen...
Roflcopter [-\]: i tried
Roflcopter [-\]: but i lost
Prkl [3k\]: seems to me like w wanted to run in the first place and get black running as well
Prkl [3k\]: but that's just me :D
blackstorm [3k\]: K 11 huge
foeZ [-\]: i would poke at f10 as black
foeZ [-\]: but that probably removes aji
foeZ [-\]: lol
k23 [3k\]: yes that removes d12 aji
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;B[kj]C[Roflcopter [-\]: f10 seems good
foeZ [-\]: f10 is a shape move for b
Roflcopter [-\]: free one
foeZ [-\]: but like i said, it probably removes aji
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;W[il]C[Roflcopter [-\]: b needs some shape since b13 can be annoying
k23 [3k\]: its not free, it costs something
Roflcopter [-\]: f10 please
Roflcopter [-\]: remove the aji and be happy
Roflcopter [-\]: :-)
Repacse [4k?\]: f10 is not yet needed
foeZ [-\]: i would really like to hear a high dan players opinion on f10
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;B[fj]
;W[fi]C[foeZ [-\]: ah
foeZ [-\]: there we go
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;B[hm]C[Roflcopter [-\]: now a good shape
foeZ [-\]: it was just burning my eyes out
Roflcopter [-\]: ;)
foeZ [-\]: well, i know, thats why i said it
foeZ [-\]: i was just wondering why black wasn't playing it
Roflcopter [-\]: maybe lag
foeZ [-\]: lag in real life :p
Roflcopter [-\]: XD
Roflcopter [-\]: brain's lag
York [5d\]: not sure if f10 is good or aji-keishi
foeZ [-\]: well, i do guess it's an inside move
foeZ [-\]: living local is always small
blackstorm [3k\]: b plans to make w live in exchange that b invades gratzis
foeZ [-\]: but now that h's 90% alive, he can play the knight
foeZ [-\]: because that WILL be cut lol
TomoyaKun [3d\]: k9
foeZ [-\]: no matter what
HW9x9 [1k\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Roflcopter [-\]: ok
TomoyaKun [3d\]: or g9 and then k9
York [5d\]: having that cutting point might indicate later when b can surround w, there's a throw in here which is good for capturing race
York [5d\]: especially when w's not fully connected
blackstorm [3k\]: the fight here is horrible for w
foeZ [-\]: well, su yang is really big on fighting, so he'll cut it eventually
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;W[hl]
;B[gm]
;W[ho]C[foeZ [-\]: oh
foeZ [-\]: xD
theworld [1k\]: realy big territory
Dumb0 [5k\]: moyo
Repacse [4k?\]: sorry, but is black 100 % alive here or not ?
foeZ [-\]: to me, it looks like w is always looking at a few things... 1) can i be surrounded in 1 move? and 2) can i surround him in 1 move?
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;B[im]
;W[kl]
;B[jm]C[foeZ [-\]: i don't see how black can die just yet
blackstorm [3k\]: w is like nah dont wana fight and lose his terretory
York [5d\]: 45:00 SD lol
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;W[jl]C[theworld [1k\]: i dont think it's a moyo dumb0 , for me w have already cash
foeZ [-\]: the bottom side can still be invaded easily
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;B[km]
;W[ll]C[foeZ [-\]: j7 thickness makes invasions "easy" for b
blackstorm [3k\]: where to invade ??
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;B[mn]C[York [5d\]: like where?
foeZ [-\]: heck if i know, i just know that that's how it works :p
blackstorm [3k\]: san san or take bottom??
foeZ [-\]: i just know that the thickness makes the invasion easier
blackstorm [3k\]: take san san try to get sente and then play k 4 ^^
foeZ [-\]: h3 could probably live
foeZ [-\]: there is loads of space there
foeZ [-\]: and black thickness nearby
theworld [1k\]: w can kill if black take san san no ?
foeZ [-\]: so i dont count white's bottom area as cash get
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;W[lj]C[blackstorm [3k\]: it s still hard to tell how to use it the best
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;B[li]
;W[mi]C[herissondu [1d\]: is w K5 sente?
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;B[mj]
;W[lk]
;B[nj]
;W[ki]
;B[lh]
;W[ji]
;B[kh]C[Repacse [4k?\]: nice moyo
theworld [1k\]: yep but is it good to take away a possible cut ?
Beleragor [7k\]: should Black invade in c3?
foeZ [-\]: not yet
blackstorm [3k\]: k 5 endangers white to die
foeZ [-\]: d2 would be better than c3 imo
ratsbag333: seems j17 ish as big as c3
blackstorm [3k\]: d2
blackstorm [3k\]: seems ok
foeZ [-\]: but still, way too early right now
York [5d\]: Su Yang seems to be a chinese name to e
foeZ [-\]: he is chinese
foeZ [-\]: but lives in finland
Kajiura [7k\]: okay thanks
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lies, Su Yang is a traditional finnish name
foeZ [-\]: i wonder how good his finnish is :p
Ranchan [1k\]: as good as anybodys finnish while they are drunk
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;W[nd]C[hyomin [3d\]: he doesn
bert [4d?\]: overplay
hyomin [3d\]: doesn't converse in finnish
hyomin [3d\]: but he's studying
York [5d\]: he dozen?
blackstorm [3k\]: is mid w group killable??
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;B[ld]C[foeZ [-\]: one would like to think that
foeZ [-\]: i don't think white can live locally if b plays first
foeZ [-\]: but if b plays first  w o8
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;W[qe]C[foeZ [-\]: if b o8 there are still cutting points so it's probably gote
foeZ [-\]: so i think, yes, white is alive
foeZ [-\]: for now
varchar: meaby even P9 to live
snowman [-\]: and they say you can't have territory in the center...
bert [4d?\]: this is going to be interesting
foeZ [-\]: all of su yangs serious games are interesting
bert [4d?\]: q16 methinks
Beleragor [7k\]: i have a question: when is the moment to invade in c3 or d2???
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;B[qg]C[backpack1 [2d\]: asap ;)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: looks to be able to live localy, even if it's shut in and blck plays first, to me
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;W[pd]
;B[pc]C[a2g [5k\]: when w survives on top left...)
foeZ [-\]: i feel kinda bad knowing that juuso started playing go at the same time i did, yet he could probably give me 4 or 5 stones and still win
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;W[pg]C[Bogdan [1k\]: well, dan players explain me the difference between urgent moves and big moves but it looks like I never learn :( Anyway, now the top right is "urgent"...
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;B[qh]C[foeZ [-\]: urgent = i'll die if i don't play there
jwc [-\]: its all about the biggest move on the board
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: foez, thats perverted
foeZ [-\]: how is that perverted? lol
Kajiura [7k\]: s16 first ?
coconut [4k\]: 9d game !!
Kajiura [7k\]: THANKS Coconut :D
a2g [5k\]: can w survive?
coconut [4k\]: Hutoshi4 vs Kaghin now guys !!! 
]
;W[qc]
;B[rd]
;W[od]
;B[qb]
;W[nc]C[profan [-\]: is white alive?
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;B[lc]C[Mokki [-\]: i think we will find out the status of white monentarily
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;W[ph]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there's a bit much room there for hoping to kill all of it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: well hoping you can always do but expecting it to come triough is another matter
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;B[pi]C[foeZ [-\]: if b can take his cash in sente it's still fine
onepoint4 [6k\]: that field , b strong,i thi
onepoint4 [6k\]: think
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;W[qi]
;B[oi]C[onepoint4 [6k\]: and b will beat w
Wang1 [1k\]: Can b capture all w?
Claudius [1d?\]: w will live
Claudius [1d?\]: i predict
tonyho [1d\]: s15, s17, s11 w kills
ratsbag333: q10 seemed better   less aji
tonyho [1d\]: oh, no
Roflcopter [-\]: wasup eurogo
foeZ [-\]: q14 still there 
tonyho [1d\]: b can q14
ratsbag333: but s11 q14 i guess
tonyho [1d\]: yes
foeZ [-\]: s15 s17 r14 could make some shape
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;W[re]
;B[rc]
;W[qf]
;B[ri]C[Claudius [1d?\]: yep
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;W[qj]C[foeZ [-\]: there we go :)
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;B[rj]
;W[rg]
;B[rh]
;W[of]C[foeZ [-\]: i think all dan players saw that sequence, but im always impressed by strong players like su yang that read out more than just this just to make sure there isn't anything better
Mokki [-\]: T13 looks decen
Mokki [-\]: *decent
Mokki [-\]: enables the connecting under in case of emergency if w does not respond
jwc [-\]: d3?
foeZ [-\]: w will block that
foeZ [-\]: there's no reason why should let black just connect up
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;B[nl]C[foeZ [-\]: otherwise r10 would have been pointless and given away a free stone
asdfsdf: connecting under is useless
rats [2d?\]: w secure the bottom left
Luffyy [3d\]: e3 seems enough to win
foeZ [-\]: as white i would doublecheck my center now
Kajiura [7k\]: c3
ratsbag333: after r11 b might have tried r14 mucking up eyes both sides
rats [2d?\]: center seems alive
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;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[mb]
;B[hq]C[foeZ [-\]: yay, i even got the invasion point right
hyomin [3d\]: booom
onepoint4 [6k\]: b must invalid,and alive
Klor [1k\]: it is valid
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;W[jq]C[Luffyy [3d\]: d2
foeZ [-\]: d2? get cut in 2?
foeZ [-\]: or you would leave h3 as aji and live in the corner?
rats [2d?\]: d2 seems risky
onepoint4 [6k\]: g 5
varchar: hard to spot a non-risky move here
apina [1d\]: d2 seems most natural
]
;B[dr]
;W[dq]C[rats [2d?\]: but d3, e2, c2, and black lacking shape
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;B[er]
;W[cr]
;B[br]
;W[cq]C[onepoint4 [6k\]: die
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;B[jr]
;W[kr]C[rats [2d?\]: well, if it dies, this will be a quick game
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;B[io]C[apina [1d\]: was there any better move to use that corner aji than d2?
blackstorm [3k\]: nah it lives pretty much
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;W[hp]
;B[ip]
;W[iq]
;B[gq]
;W[fp]C[Kanin [-\]: dies
blackstorm [3k\]: f4
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;B[ir]
;W[js]C[blackstorm [3k\]: was vital
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;B[hs]C[blackstorm [3k\]: whiy din t b play it??
apina [1d\]: if it dies, should black play c2 instead e2?
Luffyy [3d\]: w did b do ?
htshh: this looks dead to me
]
;W[gr]
;B[fr]
;W[ds]C[rats [2d?\]: apina - c3 directly always useful
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;B[lq]
;W[kq]C[onepoint4 [6k\]: ??
apina [1d\]: sure, but h3 had less aji then
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(;B[lp])
(;B[mq]C[rats [2d?\]: it comes in handy if white tries to kill c3
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;W[mp]C[Matula [1k\]: shoedown..
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;B[nr]
;W[oq]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]
;B[mr]
;W[mo]C[M15 [1k\]: white wants it all
Kajiura [7k\]: sure
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;B[ko]
;W[jo]
;B[kn]
;W[or]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black resigns
Kajiura [7k\]: okay Thanks Eurogotv!
rats [2d?\]: easy game for w
foeZ [-\]: how many games left?
Klor [1k\]: black fell apart 
jwc [-\]: b g10 kills?
blackstorm [3k\]: i think f 4 was vital for b
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thank you all for watching and see you in the next takapotku
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or whatever tournament happens to be broadcast before then
])))
