(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Jesse Savo]PB[Juuso Nyyssönen]WR[4Peruvian]BR[5Peruvian]DT[2016-12-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[sm2016c [?\]: iltaa
sm2016c [?\]: gg
]
;B[pq]
;W[qd]
;B[cd]
;W[dp]
;B[oc]
;W[ed]
;B[pe]C[Ten [1p\]: Ai q15:aa pitää miettiä
sm2016c [?\]: jesse räplää luuriaan
Ten [1p\]: Is white considering whether to play c15 before answering?
Ten [1p\]: Ah, okay, white is fiddling with his phone
]
;W[qe]
;B[pf]
;W[qf]
;B[pg]
;W[qh]
;B[hd]C[Zonked [3d\]: it was sort of obvious that b was going to pincer here
Zonked [3d\]: with that in mind, why did w play r14 and not jump right away?
]
;W[jc]C[Zonked [3d\]: oh.. ok, now I understand sort of
Zonked [3d\]: tho I dont like the plan XD
]
;B[gc]
;W[je]C[Ten [1p\]: You understood? Please tell me
]
;B[lc]
;W[cc]C[Zonked [3d\]: well, since w was planning on playing k17, it seemed more relevent to deny b partial base with r17 forcing
Ten [1p\]: Oh, I see, because p17 is weak
Ten [1p\]: Wait... what?
Finnish8d [-\]: :D
]
;B[dc]C[Zonked [3d\]: well, was there some other better explanation for his choice?
Ten [1p\]: "I felt like it"
]
;W[dd]C[Zonked [3d\]: >.<
]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]C[Gardan [?\]: "I hear voices on my head"
]
;W[fd]
;B[db]
;W[ce]
;B[bd]
;W[df]C[Finnish8d [-\]: that sounds familiar :P
Zonked [3d\]: but, is it fair to say r14 at r13 is preferable, unless you have a reason to suspect b wall might end up getting attacked?
Zonked [3d\]: or maybe if outside is worthless then I Guess r14 might be better too
]
;B[bc]
;W[he]C[Ten [1p\]: H15? gg
]
;B[id]
;W[ie]
;B[jd]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[gd]
;B[hb]C[kryft [1k\]: Ten, So who won
]
;W[gp]C[Zonked [3d\]: w I imagine, b position looks rather flat
Ten [1p\]: White took about one move loss here
Zonked [3d\]: wut?
kryft [1k\]: :)
kryft [1k\]: I'm not sure whether the correct assessment is that "white has overpowering influence" or "white has 10 points of territory"
Ten [1p\]: Black has 32 safe points already
kryft [1k\]: Right, and no weak groups
Finnish8d [-\]: I will just say b is leading. :P
kryft [1k\]: Should black split the left side?
Zonked [3d\]: w has 10th line wal, facing his hoshi, and sente, and its bad.. midbogling to me. I mean, I trust ur right, just have difficult time understanding it
]
;B[ck]C[sm2016b: thats what i was thinking, shows im weak amateur
Ten [1p\]: Too bad this is not OGS so I can't send variations
Finnish8d [-\]: Ten: 1 move is a bit too much right? :P
Ten [1p\]: Seems appropriate to me
Ten [1p\]: Imagine that usual 3-4 point joseki in top left
Ten [1p\]: Imagine white pushes g16
Ten [1p\]: Then black hane h16, white push, etc up to k15
Finnish8d [-\]: Yes, and you counted D14 factor in too
Ten [1p\]: Then imagine black plays nothing, white plays l16
Ten [1p\]: Then black l17, wihte k17, black m17
Ten [1p\]: At some point black got h18 for free
]
;W[ci]C[Finnish8d [-\]: ok I see how you analyse it now ^^
Zonked [3d\]: b e9 ok here?
Ten [1p\]: I'll just play c6
Ten [1p\]: No need to do anything against that white group
]
;B[cn]
;W[co]
;B[dn]
;W[bn]C[Finnish8d [-\]: but shouldn't we also consider top right background? ^^
]
;B[bm]
;W[bo]
;B[ek]C[Ten [1p\]: Yes, that's why it's not 1.5 stones
Finnish8d [-\]: Aha ok :P
Ten [1p\]: White c5 probably had to be c4
Ten [1p\]: I don't see how black can lose this game anymore, save from dying somewhere accidentally
Zonked [3d\]: should white have played g4 at say.. d7?
]
;W[dj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: yeah that makes more sensee
Ten [1p\]: Well, there were many options of course
]
;B[dk]
;W[fj]
;B[gl]C[Ten [1p\]: To d7, black can still later play c9 and white still cannot kill
Ten [1p\]: I imagine first black would play aroudn k3 though
kryft [1k\]: How much territory would you count for white now?
]
;W[hk]
;B[hl]
;W[ik]
;B[il]
;W[nq]C[Ten [1p\]: 15 centre, 8 right, 13 lower left
]
;B[qo]
;W[kq]
;B[jk]
;W[fk]
;B[fl]C[Ten [1p\]: Oh, k9 was small
Ten [1p\]: But white responded
]
;W[ii]C[Ten [1p\]: If white played at around h3 instead, the game may have been close
Ten [1p\]: If black invades now, it's still black overwhelmingly better
kryft [1k\]: Is there anything interesting for white in the lower right corner with O3 in place, or does he need a stone around R7 too
Ten [1p\]: Not really interesting, no
]
;B[iq]
;W[gq]
;B[jp]
;W[kp]
;B[jn]
;W[ko]
;B[hr]
;W[gr]C[Zonked [3d\]: so by the time they had played out topleft, w was losing by 14 points, accounting for w thickness and komi? scary.
]
;B[no]C[Ten [1p\]: Maybe a bit less than 14, but anyway
]
;W[ip]
;B[hp]
;W[io]
;B[jo]
;W[jq]
;B[ho]
;W[ir]
;B[hq]
;W[hs]
;B[qj]
;W[go]
;B[in]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]
;W[qi]
;B[pj]
;W[rj]
;B[rk]
;W[ri]
;B[ql]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[jj]
;B[ke]
;W[kf]
;B[ld]
;W[lf]
;B[kk]
;W[be]
;B[bi]
;W[bh]
;B[ej]
;W[ei]
;B[cj]
;W[di]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[ra]
;W[qc]
;B[pa]
;W[qa]
;B[jr]
;W[is]
;B[qb]C[Ten [1p\]: Somehow black got in a losing position, huh
kryft [1k\]: That's amateurs for you :)
]
;W[hc]
;B[ic]
;W[qa]
;B[gs]
;W[fs]
;B[qb]C[kryft [1k\]: Well, I guess pros aren't immune either
Ten [1p\]: Not immune, no
sm2016c [?\]: only alphago sensei is immune to losing
]
;W[sc]
;B[kj]
;W[ki]
;B[li]
;W[lh]
;B[kh]
;W[ji]
;B[mh]
;W[lg]
;B[ln]
;W[mi]
;B[lj]
;W[nh]
;B[mj]
;W[mg]
;B[oq]
;W[np]
;B[op]
;W[nr]
;B[pc]
;W[nj]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[ok]C[Zonked [3d\]: b10 looks biggest
]
;W[bj]
;B[bk]
;W[ai]C[sm2016c [?\]: juu
]
;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[lp]
;W[lq]
;B[eo]
;W[gn]
;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[do]
;W[cq]
;B[oi]
;W[ni]
;B[os]
;W[ns]
;B[ps]
;W[fn]
;B[gk]
;W[gj]C[Finnish8d [-\]: is b losing?
]
;B[em]
;W[ne]
;B[pi]
;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[nd]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[sj]
;W[si]
;B[sk]
;W[lo]
;B[mo]
;W[kn]
;B[km]
;W[hm]
;B[im]
;W[ae]
;B[ad]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]C[Finnish8d [-\]: my counting says b wins.
]
;W[nf]
;B[fp]
;W[fq]C[sm2016b: so does mine
]
;B[le]
;W[am]
;B[al]
;W[an]
;B[en]
;W[og]
;B[sb]
;W[sa]
;B[ph]
;W[sf]
;B[sb]C[Ten [1p\]: Now it seems that way, yes
Finnish8d [-\]: yeah character W has its function. : )
Ten [1p\]: I'm pretty sure white had a leading position in middle game
sm2016b: apparently n7 area became too big, for free
]
;W[rc]
;B[me]
;W[sa]
;B[sh]
;W[rh]
;B[sb]C[Ten [1p\]: Not free, black used a move
Ten [1p\]: But it was tedomari anyway
]
;W[mn]
;B[lm]
;W[sa]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]
;B[sb]
;W[gb]
;B[ga]
;W[sa]
;B[hi]
;W[hh]
;B[sb]
;W[bb]
;B[cb]
;W[sa]
;B[gi]
;W[fi]
;B[sb]
;W[oo]
;B[nn]
;W[sa]
;B[js]
;W[gs]
;B[sb]
;W[nm]
;B[on]
;W[sa]
;B[ls]
;W[ks]
;B[sb]
;W[pn]
;B[po]
;W[sa]
;B[kr]
;W[lr]
;B[sb]
;W[om]
;B[mm]
;W[sa]
;B[cp]
;W[bp]
;B[sb]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[sa]
;B[dq]
;W[dr]
;B[sb]
;W[aj]
;B[ak]
;W[sa]
;B[ms]
;W[ks]
;B[sb]
;W[of]
;B[qa]
;W[sa]
;B[ah]
;W[ag]
;B[sb]
;W[oa]
;B[na]
;W[sa]
;B[gh]
;W[gg]
;B[sb]
;W[pd]
;B[sa]
;W[od]
;B[fm]
;W[hn]
;B[gm]
;W[fo]
;B[oh]
;W[md]
;B[oe]
;W[mf]C[sm2016c [?\]: B plus 2,5 points
sm2016c [?\]: kiitos yleisölle
])
