(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[YliGo Cup Finals, Game One]PW[Mikko Siukola]PB[Pekka Lukkari]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2012-06-09]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Tien [7d\]: Jos kunkku voittaa tänäkin vuonna, kunkusta tulee kunniakunkku?
YliGo [-\]: kyllä
Tien [7d\]: Panokset on siis kovat
pupukani [1d\]: mikä juttu tää o
Phobetor [5d\]: YliGo Cupin finaali
pupukani [1d\]: millo alkaa?
Phobetor [5d\]: piti kai alkaa jo, ilmeisesti toinen pelaajista on myöhässä
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;B[pp]
;W[pd]
;B[dp]
;W[cd]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[fc]
;W[dc]
;B[qf]C[snowman [-\]: kunkku, lukkari, talonpoika, kuppari
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;W[nc]
;B[gd]
;W[jd]
;B[df]
;W[bf]
;B[dd]
;W[ce]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[fg]
;W[qi]
;B[qd]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]
;W[rb]
;B[re]C[Seagal [2d\]: Hyvä Kunkku!
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;W[sc]
;B[sd]
;W[rd]
;B[db]C[Canon [2k\]: așa deci
tungjfan: hi
pupukani [1d\]: aika hankalan näköstä
pupukani [1d\]: mustalle
patrickelo [1k\]: is this some scandinavian tournamentß
patrickelo [1k\]: ?*
YliGo [-\]: Finnish tournament finals
patrickelo [1k\]: ty
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;W[eb]
;B[rc]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: why isn't antti playing?
Koffein [-\]: white doesn't have enough threats to fight this ko
tungjfan: who is anti
snowman [-\]: helsinki university king cup, freely translated
Koffein [-\]: tien
Practise [2d\]: I vote, white is OK with q18 t18 r8 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: tien too strong for this tournament?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sitting out, giving the rest a chance?
snowman [-\]: some movies are 2d and 3d but this final is 4d
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;W[qn]
;B[sb]C[pupukani [1d\]: kunkku=finnish meijin
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;W[nq]C[gfgfgfh: o3 and i like w
gfgfgfh: i like w
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;B[oo]
;W[qq]C[Seagal [2d\]: kuka kirjaa peliä?
Ranchan [1k\]: g16 losing move
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;B[pc]C[YliGo [-\]: Seagal, chief
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;W[oc]
;B[fb]C[Seagal [2d\]: ok thx ja rispektiä
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;W[da]
;B[pb]
;W[pe]
;B[pf]C[patrickelo [1k\]: are u serious ranchan?
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;W[ob]
;B[qb]C[Tien [7d\]: I hope not
Uberdude [4d?\]: was s18 bad given w's lack of ko threats?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i don't like b getting to many ponnuikis, even though w did get some moves elsewhere
Uberdude [4d?\]: maybe r15 atari and connect instead
Tien [7d\]: Usually you wouldn't start the ko immediately either, without a good amount of threats
Tien [7d\]: Yeah, better options there
Tien [7d\]: As per my criteria, upper left was bad for black, and upper right was bad for white
Tien [7d\]: So maybe it's close to even now
patrickelo [1k\]: couldnt b play c15 instead of d14?
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;W[qp]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, and w will cut
Tien [7d\]: It's one option, though d14 isn't necessarily bad
Ranchan [1k\]: well atleast black should have played the tsuke at c15
Ranchan [1k\]: I would hate that black group
Uberdude [4d?\]: not at least
patrickelo [1k\]: ty
Uberdude [4d?\]: d14 is by far the most ocmmon move from pros in that shape
Uberdude [4d?\]: the fight is rather tricky
edo2 [4k\]: always :)
Tien [7d\]: Black needs to play in the lower left corner area now
Ranchan [1k\]: why not play it simple?
Longshi [5d\]: which tournament is this ?
Nyanjilla [-\]: look in YliGo's profile info
Longshi [5d\]: ah, it's written XD
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's rude to play in the lower left, you should play in the upper right
Longshi [5d\]: Tien, are you going to the takapotku open ?
edo2 [4k\]: is he thinking about pushing somwhere else than q3?
Uberdude [4d?\]: i hope so
Uberdude [4d?\]: q3 is awful
Tien [7d\]: Ranchan, the c15 tsuke is not very simple
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;B[lc]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: the position of the first move might depend on the viewpoint of hte scribe....
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;W[ld]
;B[kc]
;W[kd]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: d14 is much simpler than c15!
Tien [7d\]: Longshi, that's the plan at least
edo2 [4k\]: it is bad however so huge
Longshi [5d\]: cool
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i was responding to tien, who said w should play in the lower left, nyanjilla
Warfreak2 [4d\]: sorry, he said b should
Uberdude [4d?\]: q3 is very heavy
Nyanjilla [-\]: ah... sowwy
Uberdude [4d?\]: if you want to play in that area, n4 is better
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;B[jc]C[Tien [7d\]: Maybe even m5 in this game
Nyanjilla [-\]: I had just played through from the beginning and saw the position of the first move, is all
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
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;W[ic]
;B[ib]
;W[id]C[Ranchan [1k\]: I still think d14 is too passive
edo2 [4k\]: true
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;B[hb]C[Tien [7d\]: Ranchan, you're entitled to your opinions
]
;W[ne]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: in that top side shape in GoGoD
Uberdude [4d?\]: d14 38 hits
Uberdude [4d?\]: c15 3
VarangianW [1d\]: isnt this top sequence a bit early for b?
Tien [7d\]: That's a pretty crushing difference
edo2 [4k\]: i would go for something closer to stone r11
edo2 [4k\]: p7 probably
Uberdude [4d?\]: seems the pros don't share your opinion =)
Redjoker [4d\]: they are pro `?
YliGo [-\]: b 37 mins, w 39 mins on the clock
edo2 [4k\]: that would be good for w
Longshi [5d\]: f3 ?
Ranchan [1k\]: the 3 pros that played it are right
Tien [7d\]: The p18-r18 exchange was incredibly bad for white
Tien [7d\]: That p18 stone shouldn't exist
Uberdude [4d?\]: because lost s13 sente?
Tien [7d\]: Lost quite a lot in that sense, right
Tien [7d\]: Even the p14 hane lost power
Practise [2d\]: R11 ended up strangely placed, right
Tien [7d\]: On the other hand, the gain is practically negligible
Tien [7d\]: Of p18, I mean
Uberdude [4d?\]: nut maybe black would p18 revse sente!
Warfreak2 [4d\]: :-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: if b p18, you can allow that in sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's not even reverse sente in that sense
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;B[lo]C[Redjoker [4d\]: so this is not a pro game right :D
Uberdude [4d?\]: right
Tien [7d\]: M5 huh, not bad
Tien [7d\]: Black's only issue is that the p5 stones weren't important to begin with
Practise [2d\]: Tien, how did you expect this move
Uberdude [4d?\]: criistian pop move
VarangianW [1d\]: yeah p5 stones don't make territory or cut anything :P
VarangianW [1d\]: just floating
Uberdude [4d?\]: i'd probably have just f3 or something boring
Ranchan [1k\]: and if we go to the pro thing that whole fuseki is seen only once :<
Tien [7d\]: Uberdude, perhaps c6, 
Tien [7d\]: Technically, black can then aim for b13 or so
Tien [7d\]: Or hmm, hard to say
Tien [7d\]: F3 is good too
hjgjg: how about p11?
hjgjg: too early?
Tien [7d\]: What do you want with p11?
Uberdude [4d?\]: corners then sides then centre
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;W[cn]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: hmm this side
Uberdude [4d?\]: my instinct was f3
Tien [7d\]: I can't tell the difference, both sides are uninteresting
Tien [7d\]: But something there has to be played
Uberdude [4d?\]: soo that should black get q3, you can sacrifice o3 on small scall
Uberdude [4d?\]: both sides boring, so 3-3 :p
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;B[fp]C[Ranchan [1k\]: and the winning percentage for black who played c15 is 100%
viu30h [6k\]: could b have played  b5 instead of f4 since both sides arent so interesting?
Uberdude [4d?\]: then w will f3
Uberdude [4d?\]: b doesnt have a stone around k4 which you usually need for b5
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;W[kq]
;B[co]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: l3 seems schizo
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;W[dn]C[Ranchan [1k\]: I dont like this kick
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;B[pm]C[Ranchan [1k\]: p5 group will come to trouble or white just gets the side
Ranchan [1k\]: and the corner aint blacks
edo2 [4k\]: ?!
Uberdude [4d?\]: kick and tenuki is strange
Ranchan [1k\]: cut?
Tomeru [7k\]: black is good
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;W[qm]
;B[pl]
;W[ql]C[edo2 [4k\]: what is blacks idea on this ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: make p5 stornger in sente i tihnk
viu30h [6k\]: getting strength in the center in sente to go back an pincer
Ranchan [1k\]: I guess black wanted to pincer whites c6 group but realized that he cant do that with the p5 group there
edo2 [4k\]: i get this but w gets stronger in here i think
viu30h [6k\]: white was strong already   r11 stone is now quite safe though
edo2 [4k\]: that is my point
Ranchan [1k\]: and even if black pincers white can just take the corner
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;B[pk]C[viu30h [6k\]: c3 you mean? thats quite the little corner in this stage isnt it?      
tungjfan: hi 
Ranchan [1k\]: blacks only territory and he cant get much in the center
edo2 [4k\]: b has to be very confident about the center
viu30h [6k\]: well if you leave the c6 group around pincered and take the corner
viu30h [6k\]: some territory might appear
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;W[qj]C[goren2 [3k\]: b m3?
Ranchan [1k\]: but the question is how well is whites upper group doing
goren2 [3k\]: maybe f6?
viu30h [6k\]: f6 gives white nice extension and a stable group to be free for reducing the center
edo2 [4k\]: j3?
Ranchan [1k\]: d10 clearly the better move
viu30h [6k\]: j3 seems greedy since there is still the aji in the corner      just makes corner more attractive for white
edo2 [4k\]: true
edo2 [4k\]: just that i do not like b corner now
viu30h [6k\]: well i like it as a wall so to pincer d6 group xD
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;B[dk]C[medical [3k\]: here comes the pincer
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;W[fn]C[viu30h [6k\]: pincering one farther is so to not give any attachments to white for whape?
edo2 [4k\]: just a little bit better for b about entire board
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;B[em]C[edo2 [4k\]: now he is talking !
IlanKeshet [?\]: both players 4d professional?
viu30h [6k\]: hmm maybe b wants to get white to submit and gat his shape by leaining on the corner or something 
viu30h [6k\]: 4d amateru
viu30h [6k\]: are the names asian?
Ranchan [1k\]: scandinavian
trym [11k?\]: looks more scandinavian
viu30h [6k\]: yeah i know   that was in reference to this might beeing a pro game xd
IlanKeshet [?\]: how does 4d amature rate to kgs?
Seagal [2d\]: 4-5d kgs
Ranchan [1k\]: 4-6d
Seagal [2d\]: or 6
IlanKeshet [?\]: ty
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;W[fm]C[goren2 [3k\]: c9 pinceer was nice
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;B[el]
;W[en]C[viu30h [6k\]: i still have no idea bout how pincering farther or higher and stuff really turn out
Seagal [2d\]: E8 weird
Uberdude [4d?\]: d9 is the standard pincer  against those 2 stones
viu30h [6k\]: b will protect his corner now i guess   white looks awefully thick towards it now
viu30h [6k\]: it is?
viu30h [6k\]: so im being too aggressive with always pincering one space xD
Ranchan [1k\]: d9 is just correct, white cant make a base and tsuke for making shape is hard
goren2 [3k\]: f8, g8 or g9?
trym [11k?\]: he can pincer back at a 1 space
trym [11k?\]: at  2 space its not that serious
viu30h [6k\]: i think on this board repincering would be really weird
Ranchan [1k\]: black needs to play h4 or white will tsuke at g4 
trym [11k?\]: i mean it generally
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;B[iq]C[YliGo [-\]: b 18 mins, w 24 mins on the clock
Ranchan [1k\]: j6 now
viu30h [6k\]: this moves strikes me as too much aji      tells my brain to lookd at g3 e3 c3 stuff xD (for later of course)
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;W[ko]C[Ranchan [1k\]: or this
kayzac [?\]: l5 looks good
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;B[kn]C[Seagal [2d\]: yea look like pro move
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;W[jo]C[Ranchan [1k\]: h4 would have made it harder to play l5 
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;B[ho]C[Tien [7d\]: It's starting to feel like a difficult game for black
goren2 [3k\]: f4 h5 j3 is good or bad shape?
viu30h [6k\]: i dont see h5 killing any aji in the corner
viu30h [6k\]: well g3 is gone
Bolko [1d\]: it juts cuts w
Ranchan [1k\]: g9 now
kayzac [?\]: c3?
goren2 [3k\]: can w still do something in te corner with like f3?
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;W[hn]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: f3?!
viu30h [6k\]: c3 still works but its small i guess       i wonder if e3 does anything nice
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;B[io]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: c3 is one way
Ranchan [1k\]: snipsnap cut like this
Ukasuhs [5d\]: maybe m6?
fan90 [4k\]: what the variation for playing f3 for w
fan90 [4k\]: ?
viu30h [6k\]: i think f3 is now more or less gone
bmtp: i tihnk w rushed h6?
fan90 [4k\]: true..but it seem goren2 see something?
goren2 [3k\]: i thought like f3 e3 g4 and maybe run out or try to ko the j3 stones
goren2 [3k\]: kinda sorta
Uberdude [4d?\]: f3 e3 and b shape is strong
Ranchan [1k\]: g9 still avaible
stoup [2k\]: G9 non?
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;W[in]
;B[jn]C[viu30h [6k\]: id play e3 see what i can do in the corner (of course not now)
Uberdude [4d?\]: j6 or  k6 are only moves
fan90 [4k\]: i see...but f3 seem risky and will cost w bug ..because
Uberdude [4d?\]: you can't tenuki a shape like that
fan90 [4k\]: big*
Bolko [1d\]: sure u can tenuki
viu30h [6k\]: on tygem we would see d11 now xD
fan90 [4k\]: b can attack w d6 group..
Ukasuhs [5d\]: on tygem players dont make this many points
Ranchan [1k\]: d11 g9 
goren2 [3k\]: w h9?
Ranchan [1k\]: on tygem they play very peaceful go
viu30h [6k\]: im not actually considering d11 dont worry
Ranchan [1k\]: atleast at the 4-5d level
viu30h [6k\]: you sure?
bmtp: viuranchan, it's a rank based break from madness
viu30h [6k\]: ever gone through battousais lets plays?
Ranchan [1k\]: I play as a 4d in tygem
bmtp: and sandbag here?
goren2 [3k\]: or k3 ?
Ranchan [1k\]: nope
Ranchan [1k\]: its just that tygem aint that strong
Ukasuhs [5d\]: tygem ranks are weak
viu30h [6k\]: he might be strong at reading and weak in fundamentals that way such a large split would be possible
bmtp: oh that big a difference?
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;W[il]C[viu30h [6k\]: well tygem ddk are lot stronger than kgs ddk atleast xD
Ranchan [1k\]: yeah
Ranchan [1k\]: but tygem 3-5d is kgs 1kyu-2d
Bolko [1d\]: its because kgs 1k's make tygem 3d accounts
Ukasuhs [5d\]: its also because they can maintain that rank lol
gergs: what's your rank at tygem Ukasuhs?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: i dont play there
viu30h [6k\]: im still trying to figure out where my rank on tygem is (and where its able to have an actual rank with less sandbaggers around)
Ukasuhs [5d\]: but when i was kgs 2d i was tygem 5d
gergs: aha
kayzac [?\]: j8 super patient 
viu30h [6k\]: what alternatives are there? whites shape was pretty darn ugly
liquescens [2d\]: j8 aims m6 ?
viu30h [6k\]: also a next move like g9 or something in that area threatens to cut of b 3 stones in pretty strong way
goren2 [3k\]: k9?
kayzac [?\]: g9 was option  amomg others
Ukasuhs [5d\]: its hard to aim for m6 when b can probe m4 now
Ranchan [1k\]: I made 1d account and it went to 4dan
bmtp: ukasuhs, oh i thought 5d were boren as such ;)
Ukasuhs [5d\]: heh
liquescens [2d\]: but m6 as defend against m3 
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;B[jl]C[Bolko [1d\]: why not m4?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: maybe he thinks w will just ignore it
Ukasuhs [5d\]: which is possible
Bolko [1d\]: still i would play it
viu30h [6k\]: uka whats the best move here to make shape ant threatend d11 pincerish stuff
viu30h [6k\]: some large knight looks dangerous
]
;W[jk]C[viu30h [6k\]: now it dosnt look that dangerous anymore
]
;B[kl]C[viu30h [6k\]: g9
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;W[ik]C[viu30h [6k\]: 10
viu30h [6k\]: b g8 now? get after the shape and dont allow the pincer
]
;B[pq]C[LGildas [1d\]: G8 will get cut
goren2 [3k\]: k3
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;W[lp]
;B[mo]C[DariusA [3d\]: b looks ahead ?
LGildas [1d\]: C3 still at stake
]
;W[ir]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: c3 harder if w has to live here
LGildas [1d\]: not sure any of them has much
goren2 [3k\]: q3 was a nice move
fan90 [4k\]: b seems better than w
DariusA [3d\]: J2 is pretty good
DariusA [3d\]: w might live in sente
Ukasuhs [5d\]: b should focus on defending bottom left corner here
Clockbox [-\]: who are the players? 
goren2 [3k\]: k2?
samuel1 [1k\]: finnish people, like it's writen
DariusA [3d\]: finnish or maybe swedish people ?
pupukani [1d\]: arctic people
DariusA [3d\]: oh finnish 
Jayy [6k\]: Yes finnish
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;B[jr]C[goren2 [3k\]: heh, my gf just flew via helsinki
DariusA [3d\]: K2 playable ? @_@
]
;W[jq]
;B[hr]C[snowman [-\]: fighting spirit required k2
DariusA [3d\]: J5 is gonna die no ?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: j4 h3 l2 j1 k4 h4 i would assume
YliGo [-\]: b 6:40, w 10 mins on the clock
Uberdude [4d?\]: die how?
DariusA [3d\]: hallucination
snowman [-\]: die in horror of the atari
Ukasuhs [5d\]: or actually
Tien [7d\]: Death by hallucination huh
Ukasuhs [5d\]: j4 h3 l2 k4 is liekly
hjgjg: i want j4
snowman [-\]: :)
Seagal [2d\]: :)
Ukasuhs [5d\]: if w plays that way
DariusA [3d\]: :p
fan90 [4k\]: good point uka....thanks for the var
gergs: white is going to die
hjgjg: j4 h3 h4 g5 g4 g3 k4
LGildas [1d\]: why no white H4 ?
LGildas [1d\]: in your variation
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;W[ip]C[hjgjg: finally b f5
]
;B[hq]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: i guess w will connect k4 instead of l2 atari
Ukasuhs [5d\]: can h4 first
i2i3 [?\]: h4
]
;W[hp]
;B[go]C[snowman [-\]: the corner might be safe now
DariusA [3d\]: and in sente
i2i3 [?\]: k4
]
;W[jp]C[goren2 [3k\]: n4
samuel1 [1k\]: m2
i2i3 [?\]: g4
LGildas [1d\]: L2
torocanyon: g4
fan90 [4k\]: m10...
samuel1 [1k\]: a1
hjgjg: n2
DariusA [3d\]: can b kill w ?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: kill how?
hjgjg: i think not
goren2 [3k\]: with g4 
snowman [-\]: mushrooms
goren2 [3k\]: immean n4
DariusA [3d\]: L2 M2 N4 N3 P2
]
;B[fq]C[DariusA [3d\]: but maybe w has J1 which can be dangerous ?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: ya
]
;W[kr]C[fan90 [4k\]: w bottom group is alive....
]
;B[lj]C[DariusA [3d\]: now tenuki
Ukasuhs [5d\]: i think result is good for b anyway since he protected corner in sente
DariusA [3d\]: yep
fan90 [4k\]: agree
DariusA [3d\]: M10 very big
fan90 [4k\]: yes because it also attacking w group no..
goren2 [3k\]: f10?
gergs: white doesn't have any territory in center anyways, it's open from so many sides
Uberdude [4d?\]: i think w has to attack d9 rather than just run
LastAngel [?\]: antti mikset pela tää?
DariusA [3d\]: gonna be hard to win the game for w
]
;W[gk]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: wow shape
Uberdude [4d?\]: patient move
Seagal [2d\]: this is honte
Ukasuhs [5d\]: after giving b g5 you dont really want to let him poke at ur shape
Uberdude [4d?\]: but
Uberdude [4d?\]: h6 stones can be sacrificed
]
;B[ch]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: g9 was not a sente peep for black
goren2 [3k\]: o10?
LGildas [1d\]: h13 ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: where can either player make points now?
DariusA [3d\]: good question
Ukasuhs [5d\]: maybe just b5
gergs: no more big points on board :~
]
;W[lh]C[DariusA [3d\]: w building some center territory is his only chance
LGildas [1d\]: B9 maybe
i2i3 [?\]: b still can push b7 group
tiran [3k\]: H13
LGildas [1d\]: K11 ?
LGildas [1d\]: or L11  rather
DariusA [3d\]: so what's the count btw ?
goren2 [3k\]: b7
gergs: I counted b 49
DariusA [3d\]: how about w ?
]
;B[is]C[tiran [3k\]: I Think b is in the lead for now 
LGildas [1d\]: 40 for W
DariusA [3d\]: without komi ?
WGo [10k\]: B+7,5
gergs: I get w 46,5 (with komi and prisoners)
]
;W[pn]C[DariusA [3d\]: wow game is very close then
snowman [-\]: black has a little bit more potential
LGildas [1d\]: yeah, I have like B+5
]
;B[on]
;W[po]C[tiran [3k\]: seems like black territory is more secure than white
i2i3 [?\]: yose phase
goren2 [3k\]: b 64 w 50
YliGo [-\]: black enters overtime
]
;B[op]C[YliGo [-\]: 15 stones in 5 minutes, Canadian
LGildas [1d\]: that much for B, goren  ?
goren2 [3k\]: yeah - but i forgot komi
goren2 [3k\]: so w 56
LGildas [1d\]: I count tighter
LGildas [1d\]: but I guess it's kind of the same result
]
;W[qr]C[DariusA [3d\]: R2 good yose
]
;B[pr]C[dache3 [2k\]: is q 1good to
]
;W[mr]C[YliGo [-\]: white enters overtime
DariusA [3d\]: R1 now ?
drauglir [2d\]: h14?
goren2 [3k\]: b5, b7 or s12
gergs: I'm thinking left side B5 even biger
Ukasuhs [5d\]: c8 or b5
Uberdude [4d?\]: l11 not small either
goren2 [3k\]: s13 also sente 
DariusA [3d\]: yes i'm also looking at L11 for a while now
Uberdude [4d?\]: sente for what?
LGildas [1d\]: s9
goren2 [3k\]: sente for t10
]
;B[bn]
;W[bm]
;B[bo]C[DariusA [3d\]: big
Uberdude [4d?\]: that's not sente
]
;W[cl]C[goren2 [3k\]: really?
LGildas [1d\]: h14 ?
WGo [10k\]: 0,5
Uberdude [4d?\]: i will ignore s13
DariusA [3d\]: B10 ?
]
;B[bg]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]
;W[cj]C[goren2 [3k\]: i imagined s13 would have been pretty decent sente.  but i am 3k and you are 4d so i guess i'm wrong
]
;B[bd]
;W[be]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: should be a15
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what would make s13 sente
Warfreak2 [4d\]: it's a big gote
]
;B[de]
;W[ac]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: oh i guess its actually the same nvm
]
;B[dj]
;W[ci]
;B[di]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: w gained here
Uberdude [4d?\]: made a few points and eyes on left
DariusA [3d\]: did he ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: that makes l11 smaller as loses attacking potential
hjgjg: h13
]
;W[kj]C[DariusA [3d\]: b got B6 
Uberdude [4d?\]: b5 would get almost as much
]
;B[mj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: without giving white points
DariusA [3d\]: hum maybe..
Ukasuhs [5d\]: now h13 is really big
]
;W[hg]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: really really huge
DariusA [3d\]: wow center looks big actually
Seagal [2d\]: ear reddening huge
Uberdude [4d?\]: wtf is n10?
]
;B[mg]C[snowman [-\]: 66 for black, 44 for white without the center
]
;W[lg]
;B[li]
;W[ki]
;B[hf]
;W[if]
;B[hh]C[Arhiman [3d\]: and without komi ?
snowman [-\]: he needs 14 points more in the center than black
Uberdude [4d?\]: how much black did you count around e12
snowman [-\]: around 8 to start with
Arhiman [3d\]: I count around 62 for b
snowman [-\]: but if white wants the center, he needs to give black more
hjgjg: j12
DariusA [3d\]: how about w ?
]
;W[ih]
;B[gg]C[DariusA [3d\]: with the center
]
;W[ig]C[LGildas [1d\]: N14 ?
]
;B[qs]C[goren2 [3k\]: g11/
hjgjg: g12 or n12
]
;W[rs]
;B[ps]
;W[kk]
;B[lk]
;W[gh]C[Arhiman [3d\]: this is close
snowman [-\]: that's big
]
;B[rr]
;W[rq]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: r1 and s2 both seem early
Uberdude [4d?\]: yup
]
;B[ss]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: 2 gotes for between 6 and 7 points?
goren2 [3k\]: he wants to t3 ko?
]
;W[rg]C[DariusA [3d\]: S13 big
LGildas [1d\]: G11
goren2 [3k\]: n18 also large
DariusA [3d\]: T3 and ko
goren2 [3k\]: p11 maybe too
gergs: I don't think white will allow that ko
Warfreak2 [4d\]: not really a ko for very much
]
;B[sq]
;W[ro]C[goren2 [3k\]: so now - g11, p11 n18 or other?
]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]C[DariusA [3d\]: playing S5 is a bit painful for w
]
;B[qg]
;W[qh]C[LGildas [1d\]: B fond of empty triangles
]
;B[rh]
;W[ri]C[LGildas [1d\]: timesuji ?
Seagal [2d\]: gotta be
]
;B[fj]C[Seagal [2d\]: w still has main time?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: no
Uberdude [4d?\]: cutting there creates some ko threats
Seagal [2d\]: ais
YliGo [-\]: b 4 stones, 14 secs on the clock
LGildas [1d\]: like what ?
DariusA [3d\]: according to se it's a 0.5 point game
]
;W[gi]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: n12 ?
]
;B[gj]
;W[hj]
;B[mb]C[DariusA [3d\]: now N12
]
;W[mh]
;B[mp]C[ThanhNhan [-\]: n12 and o10  ?
]
;W[mq]
;B[ng]C[DariusA [3d\]: wow blitz
DariusA [3d\]: P10
goren2 [3k\]: p10
]
;W[nh]C[LGildas [1d\]: O14
DariusA [3d\]: yep
snowman [-\]: that would be logical
DariusA [3d\]: an other emply triangle :p
triangle: hi
DariusA [3d\]: lol
]
;B[nf]C[DariusA [3d\]: P10
]
;W[me]
;B[fk]
;W[oj]C[DariusA [3d\]: yay
]
;B[ok]
;W[nj]C[LGildas [1d\]: G8
Ukasuhs [5d\]: g8 m8
DariusA [3d\]: O9 only move here
]
;B[nk]C[LGildas [1d\]: what if M8 ?
]
;W[gl]C[LGildas [1d\]: connect and ?
goren2 [3k\]: a10
hjgjg: n11 sente due m8
DariusA [3d\]: T4 ?
Ukasuhs [5d\]: lgidas, it would cut off some stones
]
;B[he]
;W[gp]C[DariusA [3d\]: H15 i guess
]
;B[fo]
;W[gq]C[LGildas [1d\]: M8 O9 N8 N9 … M6 ?
]
;B[gr]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: thats one way ya, but dont need to do n8
snowman [-\]: a11 is big now
LGildas [1d\]: ok
LGildas [1d\]: i see it now, thanks
]
;W[hc]C[snowman [-\]: now c9 and a10 for black
]
;B[gc]C[goren2 [3k\]: i don't het this move
snowman [-\]: argh
]
;W[eo]
;B[ep]C[snowman [-\]: noo...
]
;W[np]C[DariusA [3d\]: so who is ahead now ?
LGildas [1d\]: A11
]
;B[no]C[Seagal [2d\]: wait for it....
]
;W[mc]C[DariusA [3d\]: R9
]
;B[sg]
;W[sh]C[Longshi [5d\]: b seems very confortably ahead
]
;B[sf]C[goren2 [3k\]: b + 9?
snowman [-\]: terrible yose
]
;W[ai]
;B[af]
;W[ad]C[Tom2 [7k\]: A7 for b?
]
;B[bh]C[DariusA [3d\]: i see
gergs: C9 at minimum instead of B12?
]
;W[fa]
;B[ga]
;W[fi]
;B[ei]
;W[fh]
;B[eh]
;W[hi]C[LGildas [1d\]: R9
triangle: lol
triangle: at the shape
]
;B[dm]
;W[cm]C[hjgjg: b + ~10 with 6 komi
Tom2 [7k\]: J15?
DariusA [3d\]: what are the players nicknames on kgs ?
LGildas [1d\]: R9 C9
]
;B[ma]C[goren2 [3k\]: b 69 w 59.
]
;W[oa]C[DariusA [3d\]: i don't like N19
]
;B[sp]C[Tollpatsch [1d\]: why not?
]
;W[so]C[DariusA [3d\]: w has R19 now
Longshi [5d\]: 2 points gote
Seagal [2d\]: veivi (siukola) and ikuy (lukkari)
DariusA [3d\]: ok thx seagal
Seagal [2d\]: np
]
;B[aj]
;W[ak]C[triangle: :O
]
;B[ck]C[goren2 [3k\]: that was cool
LGildas [1d\]: cute
snowman [-\]: neither side wanted points there
]
;W[am]
;B[bk]
;W[aj]C[DariusA [3d\]: oh i thought they would be around 6d on kgs :o  but one is 5d and the other is 4d
goren2 [3k\]: j15
LGildas [1d\]: R9
Arhiman [3d\]: really ?
Arhiman [3d\]: what country are they from ?
LGildas [1d\]: finland
DariusA [3d\]: finland
Warfreak2 [4d\]: w has r19 anyway; w p19 is sente against a big reduction at l19
triangle: wowww
]
;B[an]
;W[qa]
;B[ra]
;W[pa]
;B[gn]
;W[gm]C[LGildas [1d\]: R9 at last ?
triangle: hmm
triangle: is top right alive ?
goren2 [3k\]: j15 at last?
]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]
;B[ie]
;W[je]
;B[mf]C[pupukani [1d\]: top right is the most alive group on the board
]
;W[lf]C[snowman [-\]: six eyes
gergs: everything is alive
DariusA [3d\]: N14 was lovely X)
]
;B[im]
;W[hm]
;B[jm]C[goren2 [3k\]: 02
Uberdude [4d?\]: black is weak at borg cube
]
;W[oh]
;B[of]C[goren2 [3k\]: bowes m8
LGildas [1d\]: N11
Seagal [2d\]: D5!
]
;W[ks]
;B[js]C[triangle: c2 !!
DariusA [3d\]: d5 gote
goren2 [3k\]: n11
DariusA [3d\]: d5 dame
Arhiman [3d\]: d5 is gote dame
]
;W[or]
;B[oe]C[triangle: c2 is the vital point
]
;W[od]C[DariusA [3d\]: dame is usually gote though ^ ^
]
;B[os]
;W[ns]C[Arhiman [3d\]: nope
]
;B[oq]C[snowman [-\]: twenty points on the board, still
Arhiman [3d\]: a12 is sente dame dude !
pupukani [1d\]: b+around 10
]
;W[pj]C[DariusA [3d\]: indeed
triangle: n7 
DariusA [3d\]: X)
Arhiman [3d\]: ko please
snowman [-\]: white got the center but lost quite a lot bottom right
]
;B[nr]
;W[ms]C[DariusA [3d\]: well some high dans said R1 and S2 were too early at some point
goren2 [3k\]: w cannot win.  he is down 10 points and cannot make them back
snowman [-\]: it didn't really matter, black was ahead anyway
]
;B[ml]
;W[mi]C[LGildas [1d\]: looks like B just counted
]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[rf]C[triangle: omg shape
Backflash [7k\]: about 10?
kinglao298 [4k\]: b m18 makes w lose a point?
]
;W[rh]
;B[rs]C[kinglao298 [4k\]: sorry, w m18
LGildas [1d\]: how could B m18 make W lose a point ?!
LGildas [1d\]: oh
]
;W[hd]C[LGildas [1d\]: dun think so
LGildas [1d\]: B has to play once there anyway
Arhiman [3d\]: b 69 ?
LGildas [1d\]: or 2 if there is one W move
LGildas [1d\]: it's the same
Arhiman [3d\]: w 51
]
;B[do]C[kinglao298 [4k\]: ok, thanks
]
;W[ea]C[goren2 [3k\]: arihman, add komi
]
;B[or]C[Arhiman [3d\]: I won't do such thing
Ukasuhs [5d\]: is b ahead 11.5?
]
;W[rp]
;B[sr]
;W[al]C[Seagal [2d\]: 5
DariusA [3d\]: that would be a big win then
snowman [-\]: normally when counting, you don't _add komi_
]
;B[dl]C[DariusA [3d\]: why not ?
goren2 [3k\]: why not?
]
;W[fl]C[triangle: why not ?
]
;B[ag]C[pupukani [1d\]: b+11,5
snowman [-\]: it's there allright, no need to count
Arhiman [3d\]: because teachers said so
]
;W[ae]C[DariusA [3d\]: i see
Ukasuhs [5d\]: i always add komi first so i dont forget if i added it yet or not
]
;B[eg]C[DariusA [3d\]: lol
Ukasuhs [5d\]: komi and prisoners
]
;W[nb]
;B[lb]C[snowman [-\]: i never add, and it's easy too
Arhiman [3d\]: if you don't have .5 then you didn't count komi
]
;W[qe]
;B[og]C[Arhiman [3d\]: well then, there are rules without .5 but that's just silly
]
;W[na]
;B[ah]
;W[bl]
;B[]
;W[]TW[aa][ba][ca][ab][db][bc][cc][bd][md][nd][ke][le][jf][kf][jg][kg][hh][jh][kh][ii][ji][ni][oi][pi][si][ij][jj][rj][sj][hk][sk][hl][rl][sl][rm][sm][rn][sn][qo][kp][lq][lr][ls]TB[ha][ia][ja][ka][la][sa][gb][jb][kb][rb][qc][sc][fd][rd][ee][fe][ge][se][ef][ff][gf][dg][dh][ej][ek][mk][ll][nl][ol][km][lm][mm][nm][om][ln][mn][nn][ao][ap][bp][cp][aq][bq][cq][dq][eq][ar][br][cr][dr][er][fr][ir][as][bs][cs][ds][es][fs][gs][hs]C[Ukasuhs [5d\]: ok, i always drop the .5 and just rememeber w wins ties
DariusA [3d\]: P14 stones were the winning shape of the game
pupukani [1d\]: onnea lukkari!
Seagal [2d\]: jep, congrats to lukkari
goren2 [3k\]: ommakkii kakukki lukkari! I home that means gj lukkarri. And if it doesn't it looks like it should
Phobetor [5d\]: how long until the next game?
DariusA [3d\]: what's the count YliGo ?
YliGo [-\]: black wins by 10,5 points
DariusA [3d\]: ok thanks
rsun [4d\]: same as SE
Seagal [2d\]: thanks yligo!
YliGo [-\]: next match after one hour break
YliGo [-\]: Pekka Lukkari has one win, Mikko Siukola no wins
YliGo [-\]: best of three match so Pekka might take the title in the next game
Seagal [2d\]: nyt kunkun pitäisi varmaankin kutsua metsän eläimiä apuun
pupukani [1d\]: if Siukola wins, he will be honorary Kunkku
triangle: hey this game was pretty good
triangle: you fins are alright you know
])
