(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian] GN[YliGo Cup Finals, Game Two]PW[Pekka Lukkari]PB[Mikko Siukola]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2012-06-09]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[YliGo [-\]: Game starts in 10 minutes Seagal [2d\]: HYVÄ KUNKKU! ÄLÄ HÄVIÄ! Seagal [2d\]: kunkulla muumilimua? snowman [-\]: katsojilla habanero pepper perunalastuja Seagal [2d\]: aika tulista :) Seagal [2d\]: veikkaan tengeniä ekaksi siirroksi loto [2d?\]: is this game finnish? Seagal [2d\]: juu Tien [7d\]: Final decision for the champion of the largest go club in Finland? Tien [7d\]: Well, if black wins, there'll be one more game Tien [7d\]: So it's kadoban snowman [-\]: best-of-three is a cut-throat business loto [2d?\]: best of 3 is good. it's a little better than best of 1 but not as long as best of 5 ] ;B[pp] ;W[dp] ;B[cd] ;W[pd]C[loto [2d?\]: cross fuseki favors white ] ;B[nc] ;W[qf]C[loto [2d?\]: pekka lukkari beat the reigning champion in game 1. if he wins, then he becomes the undisputed champion of the world ] ;B[pb]C[snowman [-\]: toto... ] ;W[qc]C[loto [2d?\]: hate. loto [2d?\]: you. ] ;B[kc]C[maatuska [-\]: Täys luottamus Kunkkuun. Mä lupasin pom pomit viimeseen finaaliin kunhan se hoitaa tän. Kuka lähtee mukaan cheerleadaamaan? ] ;W[ec] ;B[ed] ;W[fd] ;B[ee]C[Tien [7d\]: Such a plan huh Seagal [2d\]: mä oon messis! Hyvä Kunkku! Tien [7d\]: Not bad ] ;W[dc] ;B[cc]C[maatuska [-\]: jei! Tien [7d\]: I would have considered c17 instead of d17 ] ;W[jc]C[Tien [7d\]: May have been that f16 was already better off at d16 loto [2d?\]: i think d17 is better than c17 Tien [7d\]: Well, this move has correct spirit in any case loto [2d?\]: c17 gives black the extra push Tien [7d\]: Oh, I wouldn't play f18 in the sequence, but b18 instead snowman [-\]: h16? ] ;B[hc]C[Tien [7d\]: Gentlemen, I believe we will witness a spectacular game snowman [-\]: a chaos will ensue loto [2d?\]: i see snowman [-\]: which way did the butterfly go loto [2d?\]: not sure i like b18 either, but i'm not the 7d :-) Tien [7d\]: I just want to avoid making a position on the upper side, since l17 is already strong enough Tien [7d\]: So I value the corner more loto [2d?\]: makes sense loto [2d?\]: ty pupukani [1d\]: n17 snowman [-\]: hmm, h16 was a typo but might have been a good trick anyway :) Tien [7d\]: Hehe Tien [7d\]: Pupukani, I take k16 then pupukani [1d\]: o16 then pupukani [1d\]: and faitoo! ] ;W[jd]C[Shador [1k\]: Tien, how about the NGA simul match? :o ] ;B[gd] ;W[md]C[loto [2d?\]: just f15? loto [2d?\]: trade is a little better for w, but b sente ] ;B[nd] ;W[kd]C[Tien [7d\]: It's not much of a trade unless o17 also dies loto [2d?\]: that's what i was assuming ] ;B[lb]C[Michi86 [5k\]: mitäs tääl oikein tapahtuu loto [2d?\]: but perhhaps not a good assumption Tien [7d\]: Seems relatively difficult to kill alright YliGo [-\]: If someone can summon some gold star admin to event this game, that would be nice :) Adin [1d\]: i'll try to contact one ] ;W[jb]C[YliGo [-\]: thanks! loto [2d?\]: all the goldies are asleep loto [2d?\]: the bears need to come home and wake them up ] ;B[nf] ;W[fc] ;B[fe]C[snowman [-\]: no trade ] ;W[gc]C[snowman [-\]: and no style ] ;B[he] ;W[hb]C[Mokki [2d?\]: looks hard for white ] ;B[cn] ;W[cl]C[Liisa [2d\]: i was thinking that white is pretty well Javaness [3d\]: pemposterous ] ;B[en] ;W[ci] ;B[fp] ;W[bp] ;B[bo]C[Seagal [2d\]: is w in trougble? ] ;W[fq] ;B[gq] ;W[eq]C[Seagal [2d\]: very painful F3 ] ;B[gp] ;W[qn]C[Tien [7d\]: Yeah, wouldn't want to play it Tien [7d\]: But the upper side was good for white after all Seagal [2d\]: yea Tien [7d\]: I guess black still has an edge Tien [7d\]: Albeit a small one ] ;B[np] ;W[qq]C[Seagal [2d\]: wow ] ;B[qp] ;W[rp]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: needs more tien and jeff ] ;B[pq] ;W[rr] ;B[qr] ;W[rq]C[loto [2d?\]: jeff chang? triangle: gooo !! Brian987 [8k\]: the time is not moving Seagal [2d\]: jup Tien [7d\]: Jeff is holding a NGA simul ] ;B[cg] ;W[el]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: the bga should ask jeff to comment on the championship games chrislo [6k\]: hello, is there a stream video of this game ? ] ;B[dk]C[loto [2d?\]: no, christo ] ;W[ck]C[Tien [7d\]: R3 was good chrislo [6k\]: thx loto loto [2d?\]: christo, would you like to go on an adventure with me? chrislo [6k\]: WHAT ? loto [2d?\]: oh, chrisLo. sorry, i confused you for somebody else Warfreak2 [4d\]: i'll go on an adventure with you snowman [-\]: toto... Millard [4k?\]: me too cherisse [1k?\]: :)) Chesh1234 [17k\]: i cant see black plan here. can somebody explain me? i mean must he do something on the right side or better just try to build moyo? snowman [-\]: don't worry about the black's grand plan, i'm sure there's none loto [2d?\]: then come to the great hall and we shall drink a flagon of mead and begin our journey! ] ;B[gm]C[triangle: yay a journey ! zachary9k [9k\]: ill go too! loto [2d?\]: chesh, me is the first person singular objective pronoun peacefulgo [4d\]: count me in triangle: this is going to be so great zachary9k [9k\]: so so far , on the trip we have... Chesh1234 [17k\]: so? am i using it incorrect way? loto [2d?\]: no loto [2d?\]: well, yes triangle: you are speaking the language in the wrong way loto [2d?\]: you should have said "explain it to me" not "explain me" which is what prompted me to define it triangle: but is fine, since can understand irregardfully Chesh1234 [17k\]: yeah got it. tnx. ] ;W[lm]C[loto [2d?\]: glad i could not help triangle: zachary9k: we have a hovercraft ! zachary9k [9k\]: triangle, zachary9k, Millard, loto, Warfreak2, cherisse, and peacefulgo wolokom [4k\]: what should white do? Seagal [2d\]: wow haengma! triangle: m7 is boardsuji loto [2d?\]: i'll play a game of haengma ] ;B[lo]C[snowman [-\]: i like that ] ;W[jm]C[loto [2d?\]: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ zachary9k [9k\]: _______________________ snowman [-\]: maybe not a winning move but nice feeling zachary9k [9k\]: _ _ _ triangle: ............................................ wolokom [4k\]: m7 is this well done? zachary9k [9k\]: ...................................................''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' peacefulgo [4d\]: best. trip. everrrrrrrrrrr ] ;B[kl]C[zachary9k [9k\]: '...........................' ] ;W[ln]C[loto [2d?\]: okay. this should stop. let us discuss the game. that is the first part of the adventure zachary9k [9k\]: ok ] ;B[ko] ;W[jn]C[zachary9k [9k\]: \]this be the first part of the uh.... go adventure zachary9k [9k\]: (lord of the rings reference) triangle: i think the game is extremely intense !!!!!!!!!! ] ;B[gr]C[triangle: look at that move ! ] ;W[cq]C[triangle: it mEANS something zachary9k [9k\]: ? wolokom [4k\]: is here anybody who is happy with white? Tien [7d\]: White seems to have an edge on territory triangle: R10 looks like a nice spot loto [2d?\]: right side is big. b should be able to do something there with attacking 4 white stones at m6 ] ;B[jo]C[loto [2d?\]: g2 was nice sente snowman [-\]: hard to forecast the winner yet Chesh1234 [17k\]: l8 stone now is a looks a little lost no? triangle: l8 wil turn out to be the winning move Seagal [2d\]: its kikashi. its supposed to look like it Javaness [3d\]: wait a minute loto [2d?\]: l8 could still function peacefulgo [4d\]: o13 Javaness [3d\]: are they just trying to draw YliGo's avatar on the goban? loto [2d?\]: haha triangle: l8 is close to tengen zachary9k [9k\]: haha Seagal [2d\]: :) wolokom [4k\]: is w c 8 alive? zachary9k [9k\]: se says triangle: that means it has POWER zachary9k [9k\]: w+19.5 ] ;W[me] ;B[ne]C[Shana [4d\]: w+10ish right now i think zachary9k [9k\]: *93.5 Muttley [1k\]: black centre would be awesome with about 4 free moves Millard [4k?\]: b wins imo snowman [-\]: ok, java, now what? ] ;W[og]C[zachary9k [9k\]: se is so inaccurate Muttley [1k\]: so the question (to me) is how to get sente 4 times ... snowman [-\]: i waited for a minute wolokom [4k\]: p 13 is fine loto [2d?\]: white side grows loto [2d?\]: err, right* zachary9k [9k\]: fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Mokki [2d?\]: Q7 here? triangle: what else happen on this journey ? Vallkan [10k\]: why kuy players judge 4 dan's moves? K78: p13 an attack move more than solid side building zachary9k [9k\]: it is still techally white side snowman [-\]: what's the value of q2? snowman [-\]: 14 points or more? tokoitei [5k\]: rank doesn't matter in kibitz, it's always bad Vallkan [10k\]: snow man, its yose wolokom [4k\]: if w 8 c is alive but is that true? Vallkan [10k\]: no need to play it now Millard [4k?\]: why 10kyu players judging kyu players on judging dan players? K78: I would R18 loto [2d?\]: se may not be very accurate, but at least he is precise triangle: why are you judging people judging people judging people judging peoples' moves ? zachary9k [9k\]: XD Vallkan [10k\]: First i was not judging zachary9k [9k\]: a riddle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shana [4d\]: why is java such a lazy admin >.< triangle: I wasn't talking to you Vallkan [10k\]: I just sked why kuy judge dans snowman [-\]: i prefer judge dee over judge dredd Millard [4k?\]: hence you judged kyu players to be arrogant Chesh1234 [17k\]: we dont judje dans. we talk about moves) loto [2d?\]: shana, lazy is as lazy does. since lazy does nothing, java is not lazy triangle: therefore java is nothing medical [3k\]: b must get some kind of a reduction now snowman [-\]: you know, q2 has some implications on the right side too medical [3k\]: or invasion Vallkan [10k\]: Milliard, whant to challenge me? ] ;B[pm]C[triangle: WHOA! loto [2d?\]: some suggested q7 loto [2d?\]: b wants to kill white Millard [4k?\]: to what loto [2d?\]: dangers plan but perhaps only one Vallkan [10k\]: no i think he jsut want to reduce white loto [2d?\]: dangerous* Vallkan [10k\]: B cant kill him triangle: Q7 says "I will consume your soul" triangle: "after lunch" Vallkan [10k\]: R9!!!!!!! loto [2d?\]: vallkan, b is on the wrong end of territory to just reduce and it is difficult to make anything in the center if m6 lives triangle: CUT !!!!! wolokom [4k\]: r 10 seems better for me Liisa [2d\]: I think that q7 is a proper punishment for p13. triangle: yes but how to punsish Q7 ? triangle: is the question w must answer Shana [4d\]: q7 is the punishment, not to be punished tokoitei [5k\]: nuclear tesuji YliGo [-\]: b 33 mins, w 36 mins on the clock loto [2d?\]: i think w should help m6 triangle: Q7 is the game of masochism triangle: the punisher asking to be punished trym [9k?\]: b really wants to threaten m6 ? Shana [4d\]: q7 is a pentagon triangle: a pentagon of DOOM ?? Shana [4d\]: of strawberries Muttley [1k\]: b wants to isolate M6, triangle triangle: ooh bert [3d\]: i think w should cut thru q6 Millard [4k?\]: lmao K78: clock display has misted up on my client triangle: yeah Q6 is good triangle: kill the whole damn lot of them ] ;W[pn]C[trym [9k?\]: w r18 sente? triangle: YEAH !!! K78: sauna not a good place for clocks tokoitei [5k\]: K78, it's like that for everyone because it's a demo loto [2d?\]: this falls into the helping m6 category Muttley [1k\]: good question, trym K78: Ah, cheers. I thought maybe someone forgot to start triangle: Q6 says "I'll kill you before you can kill me!!" wolokom [4k\]: very modern i think triangle: now they will fight to the death, except with less blood and carnage ] ;B[nm]C[triangle: well, less blood. plenty of carnage loto [2d?\]: b says "show me your moves" K78: o6 seems obvious move Finn4d [6d\]: what is YliGo? Millard [4k?\]: does he have an alias captain falcon triangle: o6 not good triangle: O5 !!! loto [2d?\]: according to tien, it is the largest go club in finland Seagal [2d\]: helsinki university go club triangle: maybe that is no good either bert [3d\]: p7 K78: I think p7 is answered by P8, and B feels happy with the exchange triangle: CUT !!! Shana [4d\]: SEKI!!! peacefulgo [4d\]: w thinking about q8? triangle: actually o6 might work Muttley [1k\]: Shana, please, it's ko! semeai! seki! triangle: but it would be insanely dangerous loto [2d?\]: stop shouting, please. my eyes are very sensitive triangle: more dangerous than the space mission K78: What is problem with o6? triangle: probably p6 loto [2d?\]: o6 doesn't connect medical [3k\]: couldn't b also o9, if w tries to prevent connection? wolokom [4k\]: what about c 9 groupe? loto [2d?\]: you mean p7 o9, medical? looks odd medical [3k\]: not after p7, that needs more local respons loto [2d?\]: c9 group is okay triangle: A10 ! triangle: that will crush c9 group ] ;W[ll]C[loto [2d?\]: then o6 o9? i don't see where you want to play o9 wolokom [4k\]: if this is true w is ahead ] ;B[on]C[medical [3k\]: loto, what would you play after w o6? triangle: this is very big !!! ] ;W[mh] ;B[qb]C[Shadow [3k\]: hm what is this tournament? loto [2d?\]: r7 Seagal [2d\]: yligo cup finals Liisa [2d\]: yes, r7 might win. Perhaps p13 was good because it forced b to play r18 ] ;W[qm] ;B[pl]C[loto [2d?\]: game is close K78: But r18 is a big move. I would rather play r18 and force B to play p13 loto [2d?\]: p13 helsp w's middle group, too Shadow [3k\]: yligo? is t organized by the EGF? loto [2d?\]: it is a finnish go club, probably not? ] ;W[hn]C[K78: What is the strategy of h6? ] ;B[gn]C[Seagal [2d\]: helsinki university go club Seagal [2d\]: cup finals to decide the king of the club loto [2d?\]: it's good to be the king ] ;W[rb]C[BadDuke [4k\]: untill the peasant storm the castle ] ;B[ra]C[Seagal [2d\]: :) Shana [4d\]: just enslave em all so they dont get a chance loto [2d?\]: that wouldn't happen if the dukes controlled their land fairly ] ;W[rc]C[loto [2d?\]: but when you have baddukes... BadDuke [4k\]: :-) Javaness [3d\]: tight spot ] ;B[lg]C[K78: What is the bestt attack against the left side group? B10? Shana [4d\]: cant attack it loto [2d?\]: just b12 and b7 blackman [1d\]: r8/r9 big K78: If B12 is sente, seems like pretty profitable direction to play in loto [2d?\]: or aerial pressure if you think the center is important K78: You mean D11 for centre? ] ;W[mg] ;B[mf] ;W[lf] ;B[le] ;W[kf] ;B[ld]C[trym [9k?\]: w so happy now trym [9k?\]: b sealed in loto [2d?\]: not sure this was good for the black player loto [2d?\]: well, i guess living is good Tien [7d\]: Time to look at the left side loto [2d?\]: so yeah, but still white happy mihi [5d\]: E10 ] ;W[qk]C[Tien [7d\]: Holy cutting aji, Batman K78: r9 big, but is it urgent? loto [2d?\]: s5 s6 YliGo [-\]: b 27 mins, w 21 mins on the clock Mokki [2d?\]: well this makes Q2 sente for b if nothing else Uberdude [4d?\]: s5 s6 you lost points and eyes Liisa [2d\]: R9 was urgent. loto [2d?\]: yes, i'm just saying, lots of aji here Tien [7d\]: Time to get greedy and attempt to find the best way to exploit it K78: D11 direction looks less useful now so maybe dig on 2nd line against left side? blackman [1d\]: maybe r8 would have been better Tien [7d\]: Locally s9 instead is correct Tien [7d\]: But I get the feeling even q2 is bigger blackman [1d\]: q2 endgame Millard [4k?\]: what about for some more points in the upper right? Shana [4d\]: q2 has a huge followup for w as well, definitely bigger than this Shana [4d\]: b couldnt have taken away the right side in 1 move loto [2d?\]: go is a game where two players use black and white stones on an empty board to satisfy their craving for war and domination ] ;B[pj] ;W[ql]C[wolokom [4k\]: oh ] ;B[pk]C[loto [2d?\]: maybe q10 not so hot loto [2d?\]: what sort of time remains, mr. scribe, sir? deluxe [5k\]: hmm YliGo [-\]: b 24 mins, w 20 mins K78: must be shift to l.h.s. now, innit? loto [2d?\]: ty Liisa [2d\]: perhaps now left side is important paar [4k\]: k6 idea doesn't seem worth it loto [2d?\]: q2 Liisa [2d\]: also white has plenty of potential in the center to win the game. loto [2d?\]: i like w Shana [4d\]: b has attacking potential too K78: g14? Mokki [2d?\]: J10 seems to fix a lot of problems for w groups loto [2d?\]: maybe w should b12 loto [2d?\]: maybe biggest loto [2d?\]: ? Shana [4d\]: b12 prolly wont be answered Liisa [2d\]: J10 indeed looks very good. blackman [1d\]: q1 is gote for black so q2 is not so important for white Tien [7d\]: N10 or so for me ] ;W[gf] ;B[ge]C[Liisa [2d\]: that was my move ^^ loto [2d?\]: looks like w agress with n10 idea Shana [4d\]: aww i was thinking h8 but n10 looks better xD ] ;W[lj]C[Tien [7d\]: Hmm, this game is probably difficult for white to win wolokom [4k\]: indeed Javaness [3d\]: black can lose it loto [2d?\]: i like w ^^ loto [2d?\]: i think he will win Millard [4k?\]: everything needs to go right for white to win loto [2d?\]: everything needs to go white* loto [2d?\]: el oh el wolokom [4k\]: noboddy can say it is a boring match ] ;B[hl]C[loto [2d?\]: n10 looks superior to m10 though ] ;W[dj]C[Shana [4d\]: well w didnt pick my move but b did xD loto [2d?\]: that means it was important point, shana loto [2d?\]: so you still win ] ;B[qh]C[Shana [4d\]: wheres my prize? zachary9k [9k\]: is this the second part of the adventure? loto [2d?\]: java distributes the prizes loto [2d?\]: i will announce the second part of the adventure when i figure out a way to make money from you suckers ] ;W[qg]C[K78: I would not have played d10. B12 feels like more profit to me zachary9k [9k\]: gr.............. loto [2d?\]: d10 helps control black center potentiatila ] ;B[es]C[zachary9k [9k\]: o hate u, loto loto [2d?\]: o sure does hate u zachary9k [9k\]: ggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr................. K78: b12 has annoying follow up at b14 ] ;W[dr]C[wolokom [4k\]: the count machine says 0,5 points for w loto [2d?\]: i like b12, too loto [2d?\]: i agree it is bigger than a10 loto [2d?\]: d10* loto [2d?\]: but white is stronger than me ] ;B[ph] ;W[pc]C[zachary9k [9k\]: im adding u to my list of rude people, loto ] ;B[ob]C[wolokom [4k\]: hm loto [2d?\]: it would be an honor, now let's discuss the game, friend zachary ] ;W[ke]C[zachary9k [9k\]: ........................ ] ;B[lc]C[wolokom [4k\]: j 10 loto [2d?\]: yes, two lines interect at a point which is where white and black must place their stones. nice comment, zack zachary9k [9k\]: .....................................................................................................................................................................................:( loto [2d?\]: i still like b12 Javaness [3d\]: ahem loto [2d?\]: maybe that is the weakness in me deluxe [5k\]: loto ur being mean zachary9k [9k\]: :((((((( Freak [?\]: children be nice now Shana [4d\]: freak O.o deluxe [5k\]: :3 K78: Is j5 sente yet? Make a change from talkiing about b12... loto [2d?\]: j5 should be sente deluxe [5k\]: i would answer that if i was bladk loto [2d?\]: at least i'd respond :-) ] ;W[jj]C[loto [2d?\]: but j5 is not sente for b maybe so no rush to play it deluxe [5k\]: because it's black's only big territory deluxe [5k\]: yeah Shana [4d\]: lame... w too scared ] ;B[ig]C[K78: k10 m10 feels meagre way to get points Freak [?\]: hey Shana are you actually 4d? Shana [4d\]: of course not Shana [4d\]: im 9p ] ;W[jh]C[Freak [?\]: ... Freak [?\]: yes snowman [-\]: about the same Freak [?\]: and im 4000k Freak [?\]: if that exists Shana [4d\]: thats alright, study hard and you'll get to 3000k Freak [?\]: yep Mokki [2d?\]: weak, I'm over 9000k Freak [?\]: want to play a match shana? ] ;B[ik]C[Shana [4d\]: nope, i dont play :p Freak [?\]: awww Freak [?\]: I'll show you the real power of FREAK THE MIGHTY >:D!!!!!! snowman [-\]: this is not the place, freaky ] ;W[bg]C[Freak [?\]: i play 4000k style and i can beat a 9p Liisa [2d\]: b13 looks wrong deluxe [5k\]: looks like there won't be big fighting anymore deluxe [5k\]: kind of endgame-ish snowman [-\]: well, white played the similar move in the previous game too wolokom [4k\]: i think b will winn Freak [?\]: yah Freak [?\]: i agree loto [2d?\]: b doesn't know how to respond Freak [?\]: i don't know how to either loto K78: b13 feels like trying extra hard to keep sente, or something more complex going on Javaness [3d\]: just respond snowman [-\]: the first one to play q2 will win ] ;B[bf]C[deluxe [5k\]: i would hane b14 Shana [4d\]: flip a coin, heads defend, tails take ^^ deluxe [5k\]: oh :3 K78: depends how much B wants sente. Freak [?\]: hey Shana zachary9k [9k\]: what happend to loto? Freak [?\]: I have a question to ask you Shana [4d\]: and my answer is dolphins Freak [?\]: you say you don't play but look at your match history Freak [?\]: .... Freak [?\]: play a match with me wolokom [4k\]: w must play brutal and finaly it helps but b wins Millard [4k?\]: dolphins loto [2d?\]: freak, pm shana to continue your harassment Shana [4d\]: i needed a kibitz rank praeludium [5d\]: b plays too soft snowman [-\]: join the adventure with him YliGo [-\]: b 15 mins, w 6:30 on the clock hailthorn [7k\]: People who don't play usually don't want to lose rank. ] ;W[bh]C[praeludium [5d\]: q2 deluxe [5k\]: but well white appreciates sente very much, he is that kind of player :3 Freak [?\]: yah so play me shana :D Shana [4d\]: even if i play a [?\] i wont lose my rank, i just simply dont wanna :p praeludium [5d\]: q2 seal the win Freak [?\]: My main account is kghin loto [2d?\]: :-X Freak [?\]: :D wolokom [4k\]: c 18? Javaness [3d\]: be quiet please Freak loto [2d?\]: d18 probably better than c18 deluxe [5k\]: but isn't it gote wolokom [4k\]: but some kind of gote ] ;B[gg]C[K78: less gote than c18 snowman [-\]: these guys need a severe endgame lesson ] ;W[af]C[Muttley [1k\]: 45 w, b ...55? ] ;B[be]C[snowman [-\]: with a baseball bat, preferably Uberdude [4d?\]: g13? Uberdude [4d?\]: q2 so much bigger ] ;W[io]C[twoody [5k\]: c18 bigger than q2? ] ;B[ip] ;W[pr] ;B[or] ;W[qs]C[loto [2d?\]: q2 should be sente medical [3k\]: so white catches up in endgame and wins? snowman [-\]: now white needs to win to save my face :) Uberdude [4d?\]: q2 is like 12 points K78: where is white's best defence on right side center? wolokom [4k\]: in this case? uberdude ] ;B[os]C[Muttley [1k\]: snowman, remind me to bring a crash helmet if I ever get a teaching game with you :) ] ;W[dg]C[wolokom [4k\]: ah ] ;B[cf]C[deluxe [5k\]: i think w is winning snowman [-\]: the one in your picture, muttley? ] ;W[do]C[wolokom [4k\]: no K78: Black C18 sente feel ] ;B[dn] ;W[dh]C[Muttley [1k\]: heh, yeah :) Freak [?\]: if white wins this then there would he would be the new champion LD Muttley [1k\]: that should do it Freak [?\]: :D loto [2d?\]: i have b+2 ] ;B[bm]C[Freak [?\]: loto did you add the komi on there? snowman [-\]: toto, you can't count now loto [2d?\]: which means still too close for me to know what happens ] ;W[fg]C[wolokom [4k\]: b 7 is fine loto [2d?\]: snowman, i would argue i can't count ever ] ;B[ff]C[snowman [-\]: i'll give you some time Corrosive [1d?\]: go Kunkku ] ;W[gh] ;B[hg]C[Liisa [2d\]: w+4 is my counting here. right side is little unclear loto [2d?\]: i did add komi, for what it's worth snowman [-\]: c18 is largeish now Freak [?\]: how much time does w have left? Uberdude [4d?\]: k8 is quite a big reverse sente ] ;W[cb] ;B[bb]C[K78: As black, N9 has teeth YliGo [-\]: b 9:51, w 0:43 on the clock ] ;W[db]C[deluxe [5k\]: oh well that's big Uberdude [4d?\]: w got c18 and q2, that's not allowed Freak [?\]: thx Yli wolokom [4k\]: s 12 Uberdude [4d?\]: l9 now ] ;B[ak]C[snowman [-\]: white got the big points, looking good loto [2d?\]: b likes this mini monkey ] ;W[fh] ;B[fk] ;W[ek]C[YliGo [-\]: w entersovertime loto [2d?\]: s11 or s12 seem big loto [2d?\]: err, maybe not deluxe [5k\]: i was thinking of them Uberdude [4d?\]: s12 is big Uberdude [4d?\]: q13 cut can have l&d effect ] ;B[fj]C[deluxe [5k\]: yeah K78: so maybe S12 first to prepare ] ;W[bj]C[loto [2d?\]: i thought white was just connected K78: But first B wants to make his minimonkey sente snowman [-\]: minimonkey=horse ] ;B[rh]C[deluxe [5k\]: kind of paradoxal Shana [4d\]: minisnowman=icecream ] ;W[rg]C[deluxe [5k\]: :D ] ;B[rj]C[wolokom [4k\]: oh ] ;W[qj]C[K78: Q15 sente feel K78: yrmv ] ;B[qi]C[snowman [-\]: i can't answer your punchline in this family-friend chat ] ;W[rk]C[loto [2d?\]: you said too much already ] ;B[kk] ;W[lk] ;B[ba]C[Liisa [2d\]: oh, white missed b19! ] ;W[mn]C[loto [2d?\]: it was sente-ish wasn't it snowman [-\]: well, these guys need my endgame lessons Gardan [1d\]: poor guys loto [2d?\]: the one involving bats? snowman [-\]: yup ] ;B[nn] ;W[mo] ;B[mp]C[K78: Er, is it the lesson itself that is educational, or the threat of the lesson? ] ;W[hp]C[Mokki [2d?\]: when snowman sees bad endgame he morphs into batman ] ;B[hq]C[Hobbes [2k\]: w will win, to me ] ;W[ho]C[snowman [-\]: you count the value of the endgame play and don't let your "feelings" come in the way Javaness [3d\]: there is no sin greater on this earth than a foul yose loto [2d?\]: if you let your feelings get in the way, then you lose fingers. you like your fingers, don't you? ] ;B[ii] ;W[ji]C[Millard [4k?\]: don't you mean the opposite K78: So heavy metal gloves advisable as well as a crash helmet if I go for teaching with you guys, then? ] ;B[jg] ;W[kg]C[snowman [-\]: i remember arguing with my fellow top go players if it's worth defending a living group just for the sake of it deluxe [5k\]: it isn't if there's bigger moves elsewhere ] ;B[ic]C[snowman [-\]: they didn't agree :( Tien [7d\]: Did this game go to yose after all? deluxe [5k\]: though it's kind of rare ] ;W[ib] ;B[ei] ;W[ie]C[loto [2d?\]: go is complex, if you let your groups die you have less to worry about Tien [7d\]: Oh, black cannot win Tien [7d\]: Interesting K78: and more ko threats for later ] ;B[hd]C[snowman [-\]: god save the king Tien [7d\]: Long live the king Shana [4d\]: die, stupid king Javaness [3d\]: which king? Gardan [1d\]: The king president for! loto [2d?\]: witch king of angmar? snowman [-\]: le roi est mort, vive la roi Millard [4k?\]: the king of go obv loto [2d?\]: who is leroy, snowman? ] ;W[oq]C[wolokom [4k\]: r 15 for b if he get it snowman [-\]: not me :) ] ;B[nq]C[deluxe [5k\]: i heard the original title was Klonkku (Gollum) not Kunkku (King) ] ;W[oo] ;B[no] ;W[fl]C[medical [3k\]: i see, the propaganda of sauron lives strong ] ;B[gl]C[loto [2d?\]: it's actually the hatred and fear the morgoth sowed that lives on ] ;W[hj]C[Javaness [3d\]: read any good books lately? YliGo [-\]: b enters overtime animefreak [14k\]: yeah animefreak [14k\]: read thier eyes were watching god ] ;B[hk]C[snowman [-\]: the life of honinbo shuei was a good book animefreak [14k\]: best book ever hehe animefreak [14k\]: jk loto [2d?\]: i'm reading the case book of sherlock holmes snowman [-\]: i sleep hauntlessly like honinbo shuetsu nowadays, bursting into laugh in the night deluxe [5k\]: i 've only been reading go books lately, basic tesuji dictionary and japanese tsumego books loto [2d?\]: the night is full of terrors ] ;W[fr] ;B[fs] ;W[co]C[deluxe [5k\]: trying to train hard for takapotku u_u loto [2d?\]: what is a takapotku? deluxe [5k\]: tournament deluxe [5k\]: next weekend loto [2d?\]: oh loto [2d?\]: i see ] ;B[ap] ;W[aq] ;B[ao]C[medical [3k\]: and loose translation of snapback Javaness [3d\]: it's finnish for snapback I believe deluxe [5k\]: yeah ] ;W[ds]C[deluxe [5k\]: never heard that used though loto [2d?\]: btw, if anyone is playing in the tygem aga tournament, you're game starts soon snowman [-\]: and what are you doing in this chat, deluxe ] ;B[ca] ;W[da]C[loto [2d?\]: your game* deluxe [5k\]: looking cup finals? loto [2d?\]: yuck. what an ugly typo i have made snowman [-\]: there's no try Mokki [2d?\]: T9 is quite big deluxe [5k\]: so tired that i just lose if i play ] ;B[sg] ;W[sf]C[deluxe [5k\]: lost 3 won 1 game ] ;B[sh] ;W[re] ;B[qo]C[deluxe [5k\]: so i'm just trying to recover while kibitzing, then energy drink and play again ] ;W[ro]C[deluxe [5k\]: probably ] ;B[sk]C[loto [2d?\]: q5! ] ;W[sl] ;B[sj] ;W[rm]C[gondwana [5k\]: what about it ? ] ;B[ps]C[deluxe [5k\]: its sente loto [2d?\]: b should like totally play it deluxe [5k\]: :DD ] ;W[po]C[gondwana [5k\]: self atari ? ] ;B[op]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: q5 was big loto [2d?\]: that's the best kind, gondwana ] ;W[bl] ;B[al]C[Javaness [3d\]: isn't O10 fairly vast? ] ;W[ij]C[loto [2d?\]: o10, avast ] ;B[ej] ;W[dl]C[wolokom [4k\]: dangerous Liisa [2d\]: L19 biggest Wagaboo [3k\]: i don't think it's big o10 loto [2d?\]: o10 looks big Backflash [7k\]: i don't get d8 ] ;B[qr]C[deluxe [5k\]: maybe it just looks :p snowman [-\]: two or three points is big loto [2d?\]: backflash, try changing your pickup line ] ;W[gj] ;B[gk] (;W[ae]C[Backflash [7k\]: good one! ]) (;W[pr] ;B[ae] ;W[ag]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: T8T snowman [-\]: you could join toto's great adventure ] ;B[ni]C[loto [2d?\]: that doesn't seem like the apporpriate reaction if you truly thought so, but thanks for the encouragement ] ;W[oh] ;B[oi] ;W[nk]C[loto [2d?\]: snowman, your on latrine duty for the adventure Backflash [7k\]: i just couldn't think of anything witty and tried to be sarcastic ] ;B[mi] ;W[li] ;B[hi]C[deluxe [5k\]: mmm energy drink <3 loto [2d?\]: latrine makes deluxe think of energy drinks. i agree Freak [?\]: how much time down white have left? YliGo [-\]: both players in overtime deluxe [5k\]: biological energy drink wolokom [4k\]: w is ahead ] ;W[iq] ;B[jp]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: didn't get much from o11 :)b Backflash [7k\]: not even sure b can make it really close ] ;W[ir]C[snowman [-\]: the new generation is coming! deluxe [5k\]: even though i'm rooting for black, guess w just wins ] ;B[im] ;W[in] ;B[jq] ;W[jr] ;B[kr]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: what is w doing ? Oo Wagaboo [3k\]: is there ajji ? Millard [4k?\]: l6 l3 threat for a point wolokom [4k\]: what is white doing? Backflash [7k\]: overplaying Backflash [7k\]: what else? Gardan [1d\]: both are in overtime Liisa [2d\]: white is aiming to f5 and then there are few semedori points Mokki [2d?\]: C7 looks decent now ] ;W[kq] ;B[lq] ;W[cm]C[Gardan [1d\]: and even if this fails, w doesn't lose much snowman [-\]: semedori gets some extra points for white loto [2d?\]: trying for semedori wade [5d\]: w gained 2 pts with j2 ] ;B[kj] ;W[ki] ;B[qr] ;W[go] ;B[fo] ;W[pr] ;B[sn] ;W[sm] ;B[qr] ;W[ks] ;B[lr] ;W[pr] ;B[ka] ;W[ja] ;B[qr] ;W[jk] ;B[jl] ;W[pr] ;B[nl] ;W[ok] ;B[ol]C[Liisa [2d\]: r2 zeekmund [2k\]: j14 ] ;W[qr] ;B[oj] ;W[mk] ;B[kb] ;W[of] ;B[oe] ;W[pe]C[Backflash [7k\]: well b made it really close=\\ ] ;B[pg] ;W[pf]C[gondwana [5k\]: j14 is 2 pts Backflash [7k\]: 1? Backflash [7k\]: in gote gondwana [5k\]: it's sente for w billy504 [2k\]: more than that right ] ;B[sb] ;W[qa] ;B[pa]C[Tien [7d\]: Clean win for white huh ] ;W[oc]C[Liisa [2d\]: yes, about 4-6 points gondwana [5k\]: well, better than l18 at least ] ;B[nb] ;W[aj]C[MrEmDash [1k\]: closish game MrEmDash [1k\]: :o ] ;B[bn] ;W[am] ;B[an]C[Javaness [3d\]: vast Backflash [7k\]: a6? Backflash [7k\]: eh? loto [2d?\]: j15 Backflash [7k\]: ah ] ;W[if] ;B[hf]C[Backflash [7k\]: never alt tab in yose ] ;W[de]C[goren2 [3k\]: w by 5 ] ;B[dd] ;W[df]C[loto [2d?\]: i always had faith in white ] ;B[jf]C[snowman [-\]: q2, didn't i tell you ] ;W[ce] ;B[qa] ;W[sc] ;B[sa] ;W[ch] ;B[bd] ;W[er] ;B[gs] ;W[ep]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: end ] ;B[hr] ;W[fm] ;B[fn] ;W[gi] ;B[eh] ;W[eg]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: nice dame ] ;B[is] ;W[fi] ;B[js] ;W[ef]C[gondwana [5k\]: chinese rules ? Freak [?\]: who won? ] ;B[hh] ;W[ih]C[Backflash [7k\]: check se ] ;B[id]C[Liisa [2d\]: european rules ] ;W[je] ;B[nh] ;W[ng] ;B[il]C[Wagaboo [3k\]: w wins in any rules ] ;W[km] ;B[kn] ;W[hm] ;B[eo] ;W[dm]C[loto [2d?\]: many dame ] ;B[am] ;W[di] ;B[bk] ;W[em] ;B[nj] ;W[mj] ;B[ml]C[K78: B just built a B29 flying fortress ] ;W[mm] ;B[od]C[Freak [?\]: whats that? loto [2d?\]: gg ] ;W[]C[loto [2d?\]: ty ty ty ] ;B[]TW[ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][eb][fb][gb][qd][rd][sd][qe][se][rf][lg][ah][kh][lh][ai][bi][cj][dk][rl][rn][sn][so][cp][sp][bq][dq][sq][ar][br][cr][sr][as][bs][cs][rs][ss]TB[aa][la][ma][na][oa][ab][mb][ac][bc][mc][ad][md][me][gf][pi][ri][si][om][kp][lp][iq][kq][mq][oq][ir][jr][mr][nr][hs][ks][ls][ms][ns]C[K78: big B2 shape Backflash [7k\]: g14? Freak [?\]: ah nice game Freak [?\]: looks like mikko siukola isn't the defending champion anymore :P YliGo [-\]: white wins by 6,5 points YliGo [-\]: PEKKA LUKKARI IS THE NEW CHAMPION Freak [?\]: so w wins by komi lol snowman [-\]: jigo on the board Freak [?\]: GRATZ PEKKA Seagal [2d\]: congrats to pekka! thx yligo! WoolyMaCha [4k?\]: Thanks, YliGo Freak [?\]: thx yiligoooooooooooooo Freak [?\]: :DDDDDDDD WoolyMaCha [4k?\]: good game, W's opening was good YliGo [-\]: Thanks for everyone, Pekka will defend his title next year! :) Liisa [2d\]: pekka has improved a lot lately. congrats! It was very clear win against the Kunkku WoolyMaCha [4k?\]: yes pupukani [1d\]: ooooooh pupukani [1d\]: congratz!! Finnish8d [-\]: ah congrats ^^ Seagal [2d\]: pekka so stong deluxe [5k\]: ohoh ]))